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Hey everyone it’s the spiritual, floating sandwich in the corner of the room.
So recently (ish) June 26th, I went to a panel called “The Power of Fandom” which took place in Los Angeles, California (that state in western United States, for those of you who suck at geography like I do). Mike Di Martino was there, as well as Marie Lu (Author of Legend and Prodigy), Leigh Bardugo (Author of Shadow and Bone, and Siege and Storm), and Seth Hoffman (The brains behind The Walking Dead). There, the creators were asked questions by the host as well as some people who were attending in the audience. They also signed books…if you were patient enough to wait in the long line that wound around several book shelves(it took place in a Barnes and Nobles in one of the most crowded malls in Los Angeles). I also met a fellow wikian there and had a nice hour long chat.
Here's a picture (portrait?) of Michael DiMartino at "The Power of Fandom" panel!
Well now to the juicy, fruity, chewy, bubbly news! Yes, Trident Gum brand is renaming itself to Triton's fork!!! (Not really)...
MIKE MENTIONED AVATAR WIKI!!!!!!!!
If you’d like to hear the full official two hour long podcast, you can click here, or to watch the video (recorded by someone else on what I think is an iPhone, judging by the tiny frame), you can go here. I did record a video as well and if you want it, you can message me. The frame is quite large…but it’s kinda behind a lot of people since I got stuck in traffic and was late and didn’t get one of those lovely chair seats…And if you’re too lazy to go to either of those and spend two hours of your life that you could've... oh I don't know, mowed the lawn, I have pulled out the parts where Mike talks. Some of the parts weren’t clearly enunciated so this transcript might not be EXACTLY what every creator said, but it should be close enough. Some of the sentences may not make sense, and that’s because I stuck to exactly what the creators said, including all the "uhhh's" and the repeats of some words and all the stuttering.
Question: What do you guys think of the things the fans come up with, like fanart and cosplay?
Michael: You know the fanart is always awesome but I’m always amazed by the fan costumes and cosplay that people come up with because some of them are super detailed and they spend a lot of time with it just to come to Comic-Con. And some people have like, multiple costumes. You always go there and you see multiple Sokka’s or Mako’s. Like nowadays, I can’t wait to see the costumes. We have a lot of tattoos and Avatar logos and characters. Someone wants to do an arrow. Somebody, they facebooked me, and they wanted to do the full Aang tattoos and I wasn’t sure if they were being serious.
Question: How do you communicate with fans?
Michael: Well I guess, truthfully, I didn’t know what to do with it. It was kinda a whole new territory, like having fans [laughter] uh so yeah when Avatar started like there were message boards, and when the first episode came out, apparently people talk out of line about shows that come out! [laughter] You know it was like a totally new thing, but still! It was such a low level compared to what it is now. Yea now I’m on Tumblr and Facebook and I started a blog. Sometimes I talk about Avatar-related stuff, and sometimes story-telling stuff, and just branching out about stuff. I’m honestly still not on Twitter, I don’t understand what you do with it. Maybe I’ll figure it out. Three things is enough for me.
Question: What was it like the first time fans tried to contact you? [which later morphed into shipping]
Michael: Like way back in 2005, there-there, I mean uh shipping didn’t even exist back then. I mean maybe it did but we weren’t like ZUTARA. I was like wait what? People want Katara and Zuko to get together? Why would you want them together? Say that again? [Laughter] Why would they want that to happen?
Marie Lu: Gee why? Why all this madness?
Michael: No I mean like romance stuff, you know, obviously, but like having a name for it like that? Pairing two characters that might not even be on the same scene [it could’ve been team] together or whatever? That kind of like
Leigh Bardugo: It’s all about the subtext
Michael: Now and now we’re like oh these two oh we can ship these two [laughter], you know it’s just been random shipping. Ridiculous.
Question: Does it feel like when you’re creating stuff is it more important now to have a lush world of all these characters so me and my fellow fans just run rapid and ship and do whatever we want and that stuff or is it-are you still-is it still important to tell your stories like is it- you know what I’m saying? –like it seems like it’s about creating this world and these character people can do whatever they want with them is that not more important than this sort of similar vision of “here’s my story” or you know, do you still go with it?
Michael: Yeah that’s not important [laughter] No I mean it’s-it’s we don’t ever create stories “Oh I wanna see this costume”. I mean we think about it, but it’s not like that’s the goal. But yeah, when we sit back and when I look up the Avatar Wiki or something “What? We made up all these characters?” Like there’s characters like I don’t even remember from the whole series. But yea! This guy Juan, or guy-who-bought-uncle’s-teashop or [laughter] I don’t remember that guy
Mary Lu: Somebody ships something
Question: You know, the other interesting thing too is as you guys are going along with your journeys, you’re writing your shows and, you get immediate reactions to things. I found out recently, one of my favorite television shows was Breaking Bad, and they had planned to kill Walter White’s buddy Jesse after the first season. But because we all loved him so much “YOU CAN’T KILL THIS GUY!” Did you, in your journeys decide to alter or shift characters based on “I can’t, they’re all gonna kill me if I do this!”
Michael: As you know…as everyone knows…animation takes forever. So uh by the time you guys see it, it’s long past. I would say Season 2 er book 2 of Avatar…not Korra uh [laughter] I didn’t mean that as uh! THE END OF BOOK 2 of AVATAR uh people got very upset of Zuko’s switching, naw, he didn’t even switch sides. He became more of a bad guy and turned on Aang and uh people were, people got really upset about that. We got a fan letter at some point, uh, this is the reaction we got in the mail. They were like “How much would it cost to reanimate the end of season 2 because I don’t like what you did to it.” I mean uh yea, if you got a lot of money!
Michael: Actuall the only show recently that that happened to me and I understand “why didn’t anyone bring that show back!” I watched that show “Ben and Kate” but it’s like this really sweet sitcom, and I usually don’t like sitcoms but this one was really, really sweet and acting was great and it only lasted 8 episodes. And while I was watching it, I thought it was a really great show and everyone was watching it. But after a while, “wait it got canceled?” Like a lot of shows it was around for a while. But that show, it didn’t really have a chance to take off.
Question: Have you ever written to an author?
Michael: You know I’ve never really written to an author but uh you mentioned George R. R. Martin at Comic-Con and there he was sittin’ at the bar and I was like I wanna go say hi to him. I was very, very nervous. I understand how it was like when someone you don’t know goes up to you and so I felt very foolish and then uh
Marie Lu: Did you cry?
Michael: No, I did not cry. I tried to get into contact, so I said, “I’m one of the creators of Avatar and the Legend of Korra” and he said “Mm good” and he seemed like he’d never heard of it so I was like “it’s a great show! You should watch it!” Maybe he’s seen it by now.
Time to ask the Audience
One of the authors: Raise your hand and look really animate.
Question: I have a question for Michael Di Martino.
During the creation of Legend of Korra and Avatar, what would you say is the story plot element or character element that you least expected would make it into the final product?
Michael: Well I guess one thing is originally, we thought Asami was gonna be a bad guy, or bad girl and uh, we thought she was gonna be the one who kinda betrayed Korra and Mako and them. But as we started writing her and designing her we thought “Man, she’s cool!” Cause once she does her thing then we can’t use her anymore. She’s a bad guy. So we kinda tweaked the story, but it ended up being her dad. I mean originally it was gonna be her and her dad together. We just need one bad guy.
Question: What were your day jobs?
Michael: I mean uh, my day job before uh, Avatar, was very related to Avatar. I was an animation storyboard artist of King of the Hill was my first job. It was for a number of years at some point Bryan and I, we worked together on both those shows actually um, then uh, towards the end of that we started collaborating this Avatar idea.
Question: [How do you feel about something to do with shipping]
Michael: I have to think about that uh…I don’t really think about that that much um honestly. I really don’t think of the characters in that way
Host: I mean sometimes you must think about it…these two
Marie Lu: I had a long talk with Mike about the appeal of bad boys and why, why we ship these gentleman and that’s again about subtext and text I would never actually had wanted Korra and Amon to get together, that would’ve been horrific, but, BUT I can understand the appeal so it’s like there’s canon.
Question: I have a question of Michael. In season two of Korra, will we see more flashbacks of the Gaang?
Michael: Uhhhhh yeeenooo uhhhhh ya know Aang’s around. There’s something there... Yea it’s hard everyone wants to know stuff.
Question: [something about Amon]
Michael: Well the idea behind that was he was such a blood bender, that he could mess with someone’s energy and chi which was kinda like, and that’s kinda why Korra was able to deal with and be a defender.
Michael: Shipping wise this…people just want to know this thing like I don’t know! Like I don’t know who the dad was. [the father if Lin]
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Host: Well you recently tackled the issue of Zuko’s mom
Michael: Well yea that was I guess we all need one question answered.
Michael: In 6 years we’ll do a comic about it. [about Toph's husband]
Question: When did you guys realize you wanted to write? And for Mike really quickly, are we gonna see Tahno in season two?
Michael: I can’t talk about that!
Questioner: I TRIED!
Michael: I definitely came to writing through art and the, you know, when I was a little kid I think I was in first grade or something, and uh there was writing time in class and I would always be drawing. I remember when the teacher was like “hey, you know, this is a cool drawing but you know you can write a story about this guy you drew” and I was like “OH, you don’t say!?” I hate to tell you, but that’s like a comic book. That must have always stuck with me. You can draw things and write stories about them. That’s cool. Somehow that wove into my DNA. I don’t know.
Question: Do you ever get to a point where you’re like “I can’t wait for the fans to see this?”
Michael: Yea there’s definitely, uh yea, ideas or characters but I mean, yea we might think this is the coolest thing ever and you guys might be like...awkward.
So by the end, the questions from the audience were extremely muffled. But I tried and you can kinda get what the question was from the answer. I tried to ask a question, and I was on IRC collecting questions, but alas, typing on a phone on IRC while holding a camera while raising your hand in an enthusiastic fashion is no easy task.
So I hoped you guys enjoyed this transcript and the juicy news it provided. Gave me some practice on how to type as fast as people talk. And that's it for this edition! Have a wonderful, flamboyant day!
Lately, I've been, I've been losing sleep
Dreaming about the things that we could be
But baby, I've been, I've been praying hard,
Said, no more counting dollars
We'll be counting stars~One Republic
Well, as I'm sure we're aware of, Book Two of The Legend of Korra is on its way out - on 13 September, to be specific. In addition, the comic trilogies continue in their journey to the end of many mysteries - just one step of the journey to Ursa remaining in The Search.
So, why am I here today?
(Certainly not because of that "gift" from KMP that I got last week...hey, is that a video camera and a laser light in here...?)
Well, I'm calling upon you, fellow Avatar Wikians, to join the editing parade toward continuing our high-quality article standard!
While we do have a good roster of editors at this time, and certainly many who have been helping in getting articles up to quality - that is not the end of the line when it comes to editing here.
One common theme I have heard in the past is "There is nothing to edit". Believe me, at times, I have had the feeling that there was nothing to do besides just kind of sit back and just hope for something, or have gone through the random pages and just haven't found something I could do. So, it's easy to get frustrated - but don't let that bring you down.
Existing articles always could use improvement - look at what happens on the articles on a daily basis. People keep finding new information to add from the Nick website, various interviews, and other canon sources. We also, for example, just recently had a large-scale expansion of comics and games articles. One good place to start is the needs help category, which - as it says - is on articles that could use quality improvement.
In addition, the articles all across our mainspace always have something to correct - perhaps some statements could use some better wording, or maybe there are grammar mistakes in there. Images in the article's body? Maybe they don't illustrate the subjects of their paragraphs or subsections well. Maybe the profile image isn't doing the right job in capturing the subject of the article? There's always our profile image change page to propose a change if you feel that way.
If you're still struggling to find things in the mainspace, don't get discouraged! We have other things out there for folks to contribute to.
- Film articles - I know, I know, a lot of fans didn't care for the film, myself included. However, as long as you have seen it, or perhaps even read the novelizations of it - the film space would welcome your editing! Some articles are in need of expansion and would benefit from the help.
- Transcripts - Feel free to go about the transcripts we have for all the episodes of ATLA and LoK. What could always be used is some scene elaboration along with the standard editing acts. For example, have you seen "Rebel Spirit" yet? Help us fill in some of the blanks of its transcript before it debuts!
- Fanon - You don't have to be an author to help out in the fanon space! Help out authors' articles through adding proper templates, categories, fixing spelling and/or grammar - once again a long list of ways to contribute to this space if you are looking for ways to help out the wiki.
In conclusion, there's so many ways for editors out there to get involved. One thing to keep in mind while you're editing - don't get discouraged if you have an edit reverted - just read the reasoning for why your edit's been undone, and simply try to avoid that. If you don't agree with the reasoning, always remember to contact the user who undid your edit - this helps us maintain a conducive-for-discussion atmosphere to the wiki and our community spirit.
So, what are you waiting for? Get out there and join in our mission to help this wiki be the very best it can be! I look forward to seeing you along the way - and if you have any questions, feel free to contact me, any other admins, or anyone else who you feel might be of help!
|| How I Almost Became an Administrator|
...BAHAHA, just kidding! Really. Me, a potential administrator of Avatar Wiki? That's got to be the worst bluff I've pulled in a lifetime, because none of you guys would believe such a thing, right?
Apparently...I stand corrected. In the 2013 Avatar Wiki User awards, I was very close to winning "Most likely to become administrator." Too close. So close that, for the longest time, my vote against myself was the only thing keeping me from a tie with SparksFromHades. So, what would I have done if I'd actually won this award? I'll tell you what I would've done. I would not display the userbox on my profile. I would deny ever being nominated in that category. And if asked, I would repeat to you what I say now: I am nowhere near admin material. I will not accept an award for something that I'm not. This isn't even about being modest. The facts are so painfully obvious that I can't believe I have to point them out to you now.
So, I write this article in an attempt to reach out to our community and, well, bonk you guys over the head for biased voting. I speak for all the users whose dedication went unrecognized, and for the undeserving users given awards in the past - one such undeserving user being myself. Another box you will not see displayed on my profile is "best editor in the fanon namespace in 2013." I know it isn't true. Surely, there's something to be said about a user with around 4.5k edits (total) who still can't reach the 60-day-in-a-row edit badge, versus administrator and bureaucrat Lady Lostris, who has over 10,000 edits in the fanon namespace alone. While I can believe that both Lostris and I are dedicated to the fanon portal and appreciate that the community wishes to recognize my work, there's no denying that the admin has done more than I ever could for fanons. She is a true editor, and I want you guys to remember that.
Back to the main point, though. Voting isn't something we should be taking lightly in awards ceremonies here at Avatar Wiki. There are patterns I've seen in both the User Awards and Fanon Awards this year that prompts me to address this. I know that some of you feel no need to take things this "seriously," and that you'd think an "internet community" would chill out a little. But internet community or not - you're part of it, voter. Remember that the awards are created to recognize true dedication from users. Sure, go ahead and vote Minnichi for admin, because her best friends on Avatar Wiki happen to include admins Lady Lostris, KettleMeetPot, and AvatarRokusGhost. What does it have to do with the fact that she's not even a rollback user? Or that she has never once actually told a user to stop vandalizing? Who cares how accurate these things are, it's just the internet, right?
...But is that really how you want these awards to be seen? Why have awards ceremonies at all on Avatar Wiki, if they're just going to be a huge joke to everyone? Even those of you who actually care about the titles may find it discouraging when your little userboxes start to lose value in the eyes of others. When people start to look at them and assume you either won it by popularity or because others just thought it'd be funny to vote for you. If you want our awards systems to retain any true sense of honor and real recognition, I encourage you to learn what you're truly voting for.
In the User Awards, pay attention to what the awards recognize, and not just how much you like a particular candidate. Remember that admin material does not mean being friends with admins, and that a good film namespace editor isn't the same as a good commenter in the film namespace. Learn what it means to qualify for each category, and vote for the user that truly fits those qualifications the best.
In the Fanon Awards, remember that good writing doesn't mean that which includes your favorite ship, nor your favorite canon characters in general - and of course, giving every fanon in a category a read before voting never hurts the accuracy of your judgment. Don't vote for an author just because others claim him/her to be amazing, and definitely don't vote for candidates because they happen to be fans of your writing.
And for any awards in general: If you don't know enough to make a valid judgment to the best of your ability, don't vote at all. It's better to leave your opinion out than to recognize someone based on a biased judgment.
I say all this in conclusion of the two awards ceremonies that passed this summer, based on a few quirks among users that I noticed along the way - like that glaring potential-admin award I nearly won. It is an honor to be recognized by the community here at Avatar Wiki, but if we want to keep it an honor and not some twisted popularity contest that no one takes seriously...then I beg you all to please vote fairly. I wish for the Awards to be respectable, something that recognizes users for what each category truly means. Wouldn't you feel the same, especially if you yourself are sporting an award template somewhere?
As a community, we should strive to give credit where it's due, both for the sake of our image to others and to establish fairness in general. I urge anyone reading this to consider who you vote for carefully next year, be it for the User or Fanon Awards. And please...don't tell Minnichi that she's likely to become an admin again. She's pretty sure she ain't.
After perusing several articles on this wiki, it struck me that there are a few grammatical rules regarding commas that we seem to be ignoring, and although these mistakes are small and almost unnoticeable, they do detract from the overall professionalism of both the canon and fanon sides.
1. Commas need to be included after the country, not just the city.
Most of us understand that "Ba Sing Se Earth Kingdom" is missing a comma between "Se" and "Earth," but did you know that a comma is required after the word "Kingdom" too? For instance, we would say the following:
"The performer danced in "Ba Sing Se, Earth Kingdom, and then in Gaoling, Earth Kingdom, last week." If commas are not included after the country as well, the sentence is incorrect.
2. Commas, or any punctuation for that matter, go on the inside of quotation marks.
This rule would be more prominent on the fanon portal, and I think most of us are aware if it anyway. For those who do not know, the following sentence from a hypothetical actor page is incorrect.
Michael Michaelson appeared in "Endgame", "The Revelation", and "Welcome to Republic City".
Instead, the punctuation needs to be on the inside of the quotation marks.
3. It is incorrect to include a comma between a month and year if no date is present.
"Production began in September, 2011." <- This sentence is flawed and should be rewritten without the comma. Likewise, it would be wrong to say "Aang defeated Ozai in summer, 100 ASC."
4. When writing a date, a comma is needed after the year too.
I went through the Legend of Korra episode pages to correct instances in which a sentence would read "It was released on May, 23, 2012 on Nickelodeon." Remember, if there is a comma before the year, there should be a comma after it too. Therefore, the new sentence would be "It was released on May, 23, 2012, on Nickelodeon."
I hope this helped! There are several small mistakes like this all over the wiki, so if you find them, get rid of 'em!