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  • I've been thinking. At first I predicted that Korra would seemingly sacrifice herself to stop Kuvira, and Asami would say "It has been an honor, Avatar Korra." But given what Asami said about not imagining the thought of losing her and her father on the same day, some say her saying something like that would be unlikely. On the other hand, if someone did seemingly kill Korra, would Asami lose it to the point of being vengeful?  I mean I can imagine such a scenario where a villain seemingly kills the Avatar:

    (Asami picks up the villain and sets her electric gauntlet at the highest setting)

    Villain: What are you going to do with me?

    Asami: I'm going to fry your brain to oblivion!

    Bolin: Asami, stop! We don't do that to our enemies!

    Asami: (tears up) Speak for yourself!

    Bolin: I'm trying to speak for Korra

    So yeah, given what Asami said about the thought of losing Korra, I think this would be more or less how she'd react, wouldn't you say? Of course someone is going to stop her. After all, Bolin is the heart and conscience of Team Avatar.  

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    • If someone killed Korra, Asami wouldn't be able to do anything against him.

      As for her reaction, i don't think she would try to kill the guy that killed Korra. She didn't try to kill Kuvira, so i think it's safe to assume she doesn't have a vendetta mindset.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote: If someone killed Korra, Asami wouldn't be able to do anything against him.

      As for her reaction, i don't think she would try to kill the guy that killed Korra. She didn't try to kill Kuvira, so i think it's safe to assume she doesn't have a vendetta mindset.

      But Kuvira didn't kill Korra, so that condition was not fulfilled. From what Asami said, I think Korra's death would have been the last straw for her, especially since it's after losing her father.

      But of course Asami would be able to do something against the person who killed Korra, especially if she confronts him or her.

      Asami says all it would take for her to lose it is someone killing Korra.

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    • ...No, she didn't, "I couldn't handle losing you" is an expression that means they're so close that she doesn't know how she'd be able to get past the grief if she died.

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    • But Kuvira didn't kill Korra

      No, but she killed her father.

      And what would Asami do to someone who killed the avatar?

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:

      But Kuvira didn't kill Korra

      No, but she killed her father.

      And what would Asami do to someone who killed the avatar?

      I'm guessing he expects her to throw a spear so hard it pierces through 3 feet of steel, or something.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      SaitamaBro wrote:

      But Kuvira didn't kill Korra
      No, but she killed her father.

      And what would Asami do to someone who killed the avatar?

      I'm guessing he expects her to throw a spear so hard it pierces through 3 feet of steel, or something.

      Something like that lol

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    • You took most of that conversation from Justice League! When Superman was seemingly killed, Wonder Woman went apeshit and the Flash stopped her.

      I can imagine Asami having a reaction like this. She didn't try to kill Kuvira because she was still inside of the colossus.

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    • No, Asami's personality isn't like that. Asami would probably be depressed but I don't see her being the vengeful type of person. When she said "I couldn't handle losing you", it was just an expression, so I wouldn't take that so seriously that you think she would go to the point of killing. Nevertheless, it's possible she would want revenge, but I doubt she would actually do anything, except as I said before go into a depression. The worst case scenario I can see happening is her trying to get revenge, but in the middle of her lust, she realizes what she's doing and stops it.

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    • I can imagine Asami holding Korra's killer violently and then deciding that they aren't even worth killing. Now that I think about it, I imagine it being similar to Katara's confrontation with Yon Rha.

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    • Hanabi-chan wrote:
      I can imagine Asami holding Korra's killer violently and then deciding that they aren't even worth killing. Now that I think about it, I imagine it being similar to Katara's confrontation with Yon Rha.

      Agreed.

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    • Fun fact: The dialog in the OP post above is a very slight modification of dialog lifted from an episode of Justice League. In that episode, Wonder Woman comes within seconds of punching Toyman's head off after the latter kills Superman(or so they thought), and is stopped from doing so by the Flash. Swap in Asami, Korra, and Bolin instead of WW, Superman, and the Flash(which is oddly appropriate), and there you go.

      That being said, would Asami lose it if Korra were to die? Definitely. Would she go so far as to kill the one responsible? Hmm...fifty-fifty. I actually have to agree with Hanabi-chan though. More likely she would ultimately decide it's not even worth it, though it might take someone else stopping her from going through with it, much as in the scenario above.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: Fun fact: The dialog in the OP post above is a very slight modification of dialog lifted from an episode of Justice League. In that episode, Wonder Woman comes within seconds of punching Toyman's head off after the latter kills Superman(or so they thought), and is stopped from doing so by the Flash. Swap in Asami, Korra, and Bolin instead of WW, Superman, and the Flash(which is oddly appropriate), and there you go.

      That being said, would Asami lose it if Korra were to die? Definitely. Would she go so far as to kill the one responsible? Hmm...fifty-fifty. I actually have to agree with Hanabi-chan though. More likely she would ultimately decide it's not even worth it, though it might take someone else stopping her from going through with it, much as in the scenario above.

      Yes, I put that there because I anticipate that's the kind of reaction Asami might have had if someone killed Korra. Of course someone would try to stop Asami from doing so, then Asami would decide it's not worth it. The thing is, it's one thing of someone killed her father, but someone killing Korra would be one too many for her. I thought she might think of killing someone who killed Korra because Korra is all she has left. But no matter what, I know someone will stop her or something will convince her stop. But at least Asami would then understand how her father felt when her mother was killed. And yeah, remember Katara, she may not be the vengeful kind of person, but all it took to make her snap was the fact that Yon Rha took her mother. It's not far off for it to happen to Asami, heck it can happen to almost any person, but all it takes for that person to come to their senses is reason and conscience.

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    • I read a fanfic in which Korra was fatally injured when Empire Danger went plooie, and pretty much only just lived long enough to drag Kuvira out of the Spirit Portal.  Asami...pretty much throws herself into her work and starts drinking.

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    • You took most of that conversation from Justice League! When Superman was seemingly killed, Wonder Woman went apeshit and the Flash stopped her.

      Yes, I recognize it now. I can't say I'm too surprised, Torresp's threads pretty much all boil down to "wouldn't it be great if Avatar copied some comic book plot?"

      I read a fanfic in which Korra was fatally injured when Empire Danger went plooie, and pretty much only just lived long enough to drag Kuvira out of the Spirit Portal. Asami...pretty much throws herself into her work and starts drinking.

      This is more akin to how I'd picture her reacting. She's never been the type to lose her temper.

      She didn't try to kill Kuvira because she was still inside of the colossus.

      She has an opportunity when Korra brings her out of the portal. Doesn't even consider it.

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    • Is that the episode he goes to future earth where the sun is red, savage is his friend(and killed the flash) and he makes a badass sword to fight wolfs/giant roaches?

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      You took most of that conversation from Justice League! When Superman was seemingly killed, Wonder Woman went apeshit and the Flash stopped her.

      Yes, I recognize it now. I can't say I'm too surprised, Torresp's threads pretty much all boil down to "wouldn't it be great if Avatar copied some comic book plot?"

      I read a fanfic in which Korra was fatally injured when Empire Danger went plooie, and pretty much only just lived long enough to drag Kuvira out of the Spirit Portal. Asami...pretty much throws herself into her work and starts drinking.

      This is more akin to how I'd picture her reacting. She's never been the type to lose her temper.

      She didn't try to kill Kuvira because she was still inside of the colossus.

      She has an opportunity when Korra brings her out of the portal. Doesn't even consider it.

      First of all can't really say Asami doesn't consider killing Kuvira, because the condition of Korra being killed was not fulfilled. Therefore, there isn't anything to consider. If Kuvira walked out alive and without Korra (regardless of whether or not Korra follows), that would be an entirely different situation. The whole point and mentality of vengeance, is against the person for having done the wrongdoing, not before it happens.

      Copying? Yes it may look like that, but no, I am not proposing a future storyline this time around. This is to make a point. There is a specific reason why I chose this particular scenario--because I feel if a similar scenario happened, but with Korra in place of Superman, would Asami react in a vengeful manner and attempt to kill the wrongdoer? Based on what I have seen, any character, be it Superman, Wonder Woman, Katara, and even Aang can go out of character and lose their tempers like that, especially when it involves tragedies such as losing someone close to you. But, even if Asami did consider trying to kill the wrongdoer, her better nature will help her come to her senses.

      SaitamaBro wrote: Is that the episode he goes to future earth where the sun is red, savage is his friend(and killed the flash) and he makes a badass sword to fight wolfs/giant roaches?

      Yes.

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    • First of all can't really say Asami doesn't consider killing Kuvira, because the condition of Korra being killed was not fulfilled. Therefore, there isn't anything to consider. If Kuvira walked out alive and without Korra (regardless of whether or not Korra follows), that would be an entirely different situation. The whole point and mentality of vengeance, is against the person for having done the wrongdoing, not before it happens.

      Kuvira had killed her father. The notion that, if you kill 1 of her loved ones, she doesn't react with any hostility, but if you kill a 2nd, she loses her mind & starts trying to kill you is illogical.

      Copying? Yes it may look like that,

      Yes, because you did. You straight-up copied dialogue.

      Based on what I have seen, any character, be it Superman, Wonder Woman, Katara, and even Aang can go out of character and lose their tempers like that, especially when it involves tragedies such as losing someone close to you.

      First, a distinction should be made on what is truly "out of character."

      Katara, while generally a caring person, had a mean streak. She was a very aggressive fighter who lost her temper pretty easily, & tended to respond to problems with confrontation, even when it was a fairly risky idea. Trying to kill her mother's murderer is an extreme version of this tendency.

      With characters like Superman & Wonder Woman, they have had many different interpretations, well-written & not, making them rather poor examples.

      Aang betrayed his strict pacifist values, but he never killed a human. It makes a difference. In fact, he never even attacked the Sandbenders, just destroyed their stuff. Also, he had grown increasingly angry & erratic ever since losing Appa. So it's not as though he completely ignored his character up until that point & leaped straight to murder.

      So therefore, a true "OOC" moment is a reaction that has no precedent for it, & there's a reason why people usually complain that this is poor writing.

      But, even if Asami did consider trying to kill the wrongdoer, her better nature will help her come to her senses.

      Or she could be the extreme opposite. Willow not only killed the man who shot her girlfriend (flayed him alive, no less), she went after people who worked for him without realizing how terrible he was, & eventually tried to destroy the world.

      She got better, but still, screw Warren, he had it comin'.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      If someone killed Korra, Asami wouldn't be able to do anything against him.

      Are you implying that Asami wouldn't be capable of combating anyone with the ability to kill Korra, based on martial ability? If so then this would depend upon many variables on whether or not Asami could kill someone who has the skill to kill the avatar.

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    • Count Kibbles N Bits wrote:
      SaitamaBro wrote:
      If someone killed Korra, Asami wouldn't be able to do anything against him.
      Are you implying that Asami wouldn't be capable of combating anyone with the ability to kill Korra, based on martial ability? If so then this would depend upon many variables on whether or not Asami could kill someone who has the skill to kill the avatar.

      I completely agree with this. Asami could also have a weapon that is capable of killing. We also saw her knock out an earthbending member of the Red Lotus.

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    • Korra is the Avatar, with all of the power that entails. It would have to be a very, very specific set of circumstances that she could be killed & Asami would somehow be in a position to murder her assailant.

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    • This, of course, is true. It's not entirely inconceivable, but with how powerful Korra is, in order for an opponent to be able to kill her and not be beyond the ability of any one other member of Team Avatar(or anyone else) to take down would require a very specific set of circumstances. 

      That said, JL copypasta aside, the OP does bring up an interesting scenario, and one that broadly speaking, while not entirely in-character based on what we have seen from Asami, is IMO not such an implausible idea that I can say outright that it wouldn't happen. I think it could, given the right circumstances.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: This, of course, is true. It's not entirely inconceivable, but with how powerful Korra is, in order for an opponent to be able to kill her and not be beyond the ability of any one other member of Team Avatar(or anyone else) to take down would require a very specific set of circumstances. 

      That said, JL copypasta aside, the OP does bring up an interesting scenario, and one that broadly speaking, while not entirely in-character based on what we have seen from Asami, is IMO not such an implausible idea that I can say outright that it wouldn't happen. I think it could, given the right circumstances.

      At least You get where I'm going at. People just think I'm copying when really, I was using a scenario from another work as an example, and said scenario has a specific meaning or significance tied to it. I'm basically gauging the question, what if Asami were in a similar kind of situation? But still, anyone can deviate from their principles at a great extreme, out of character or not. I mean, if it happened Aang or Katara, or Superman, or Wonder Woman, it can happen to anyone. Whether they stay on that path or come to their senses will vary. For everyone, there's always a threshold, but for Asami--killing her father wasn't enough to cross her threshold, but could have moved her halfway towards it. If Korra was killed, that would be enough to move her to the threshold.

      But the thing about Korra is that the Avatar is a different person every time, so if Korra is dead, then the next Avatar just wouldn't be the same person for Asmai.

      With regards to circumstances, Asami already lost her parents, making Korra all she has left. If someone killed Korra right in front of her, she'd go bats**t on the killer because she'd feel that's two too many losses of close ones. Still, I was kinda wondering why Asami just didn't go to Kuvira and punch her down to the ground for killing her father? I mean for goodness sake, she forgave her father, then he dies afterwards. Knowing Asami, she'd want to be sure her father gets closure after all the suffering he went through.

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    • I completely agree with this. Asami could also have a weapon that is capable of killing. We also saw her knock out an earthbending member of the Red Lotus.

      Was that earthbender Ghazan? No? It was a mook she coldcocked, you say? Yeah, that's not the same as 1v1ing someone that can really throw down with the Avatar and win.

      Maybe Asami could go and build some crazy super weapon or something and destroy such a person with some serious prep, but let's not pretend Asami is even remotely close to an Avatar Slayer+ level fighter.

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       But still, anyone can deviate from their principles at a great extreme, out of character or not. I mean, if it happened Aang or Katara, or Superman, or Wonder Woman, it can happen to anyone.

      ...Why? Why could it happen to anyone? Asami isn't those people. Frankly, from what we've seen of Asami, she is more level headed than them and under stressful situations for her (even of something comparable level to this) she doesn't respond with violent rage.

      Where were these OOC moments for Aang and Katara? Like, their things had precedence in their established characters. Both of them had tempers, despite usually keeping their cool. When stuff hit close to home for them, they ocassionally did lash out, we've seen multiple examples of this in the show.


      Whether they stay on that path or come to their senses will vary. For everyone, there's always a threshold,

      Is there? We have people like MLK and Ghandi who were watching their people suffer and be beaten in the streets, yet they didn't resort to violence and rage.

      I've seen court cases where parents have openly forgiven the murderers of their children at sentencing.

      IF there really is this threshold for everyone, some people have this set so high, it can't actually realistically be achieved.


      but for Asami--killing her father wasn't enough to cross her threshold, but could have moved her halfway towards it. If Korra was killed, that would be enough to move her to the threshold.

      She just lost her father whom she was beginning to reconnect with after a deeply troubling split, with him totally redeeming himself in her eyes. She was with him seconds before he died. And yet, she didn't enter an insane, murderous rampage. Sure, you can say that moves her along this linear threshold graph, but there just isn't anything to establish that framework is correct. She didn't lose it in a violent reaction. She never really has done so. So, while, sure, maybe she would, there is no precedence for this and with something reasonably pretty close to Korra being killed to base this on no less, it just doesn't seem like a particularly likely outcome for her. We've seen what Asami does when someone very close to her personally dies, right in front of her, and it isn't what you're suggesting.

      With regards to circumstances, Asami already lost her parents, making Korra all she has left. If someone killed Korra right in front of her, she'd go bats**t on the killer because she'd feel that's two too many losses of close ones.

      She still has her friends and she got along without Korra (more or less) for about three years. Not to say that don't/can't mean alot to each other, but if Kuvira wound up killing Korra and she was still captured, would Asami treat it significantly differently? Not to say it wouldn't still be devastating, but, violently murdering Kuvira? Not much precedence for it.

      Knowing Asami, she'd want to be sure her father gets closure after all the suffering he went through.

      Honestly, from reading your posts, I don't think that you do know Asami. You're basically implanting another character's personality and actions in her and trying to rationalize it without showing anything of her actual character that would support this. You're talking about ways that other people would react and imposing them on her, because it makes sense for others that have acted totally differently from her.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote: I completely agree with this. Asami could also have a weapon that is capable of killing. We also saw her knock out an earthbending member of the Red Lotus. Was that earthbender Ghazan? No? It was a mook she coldcocked, you say? Yeah, that's not the same as 1v1ing someone that can really throw down with the Avatar and win. Maybe Asami could go and build some crazy super weapon or something and destroy such a person with some serious prep, but let's not pretend Asami is even remotely close to an Avatar Slayer+ level fighter.Lets talk about the specific circumstances needed for asami to concivably be able to kill a target whom is capable of killing the avatar. The target would be one of two things: a human or a spirit. Humans are mortal, no matter how much they power any one human has they are still subject to the same biological weaknesses we all have. Killing human beings is easy, how to go about doing it depending on individual is the hard part. Poison is a good way, something potent, tasteless, oderless, quick, clean (or agonizingly painful). A weapon of some sort, melee or ballistic both would require stealth and practice to use. Improvised explosive traps, toxic gas, she can make it look like an accident, or hire a hitman. 

      Spirits are much harder and most likely cant be killed, but she can defeat one using spirit energy weapons.

      She has the money, and the skill anything is possible.

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    • In this context:

      "Are you implying that Asami wouldn't be capable of combating anyone with the ability to kill Korra, based on martial ability? If so then this would depend upon many variables on whether or not Asami could kill someone who has the skill to kill the avatar."


      I thought we were talking about an open battle, based on martial ability. In that capacity, someone that is dropping the Avatar isn't going to be easy to fight straight up. But, okay, if we're talking about killing someone unaware in their sleep or something, then, whatever, any mortal in Avatar could die.

      Also consider the comment I was responding to, Asami beats up some mook, but it's being framed as if it is a major accomplishment, "wow, an earthbender, not only that, but an Order of the Red Lotus earthbender! *cough*who was caught off guard and is an unnamed mook*cough*"

      Obviously, if we're not talking about a straight up fight and/or Asami has prep (like I mentioned) it is different.

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    • I think the whole point is Korra get killed, Asami goes for the kill. No time for her to prepare or anything, because the less time she have between Korra's death and her revenge fight, the easier( and more believable) it is for her to be angry and want to kill someone. If she have time to think she would probably fight him/her but not to kill, just arrest or something.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote: I think the whole point is Korra get killed, Asami goes for the kill. No time for her to prepare or anything, because the less time she have between Korra's death and her revenge fight, the easier( and more believable) it is for her to be angry and want to kill someone. If she have time to think she would probably fight him/her but not to kill, just arrest or something.

      Yes, and in whatever scenario I am thinking of, she has her electric glove with her..

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    • I've seen court cases where parents have openly forgiven the murderers of their children at sentencing.

      I've been thinking of this throughout this thread. Without question, the majority of people on crime shows are not vengeful. They may not forgive the killer, but even if they don't, they tend to say things like, "I'm relieved," or "Nobody won today; I lost my child, someone else lost theirs," etc.

      Part of this may be a deliberate choice on the part of the producers of what to show, but I really think there are a lot of reasons why people would tend to react this way.

      Regarding whether or not Asami could hypothetically kill someone who killed Korra, there are 2 things to keep in mind:

      1. The context of the thread implies that "she snapped" & tried to kill the attacker on the spot.

      2. Even ignoring 1, while she could conceivably stalk the offender & target some weakness--hence why I said it's possible at all--that's no mean feat.

      This person presumably has not just power, but also knowledge, experience, & resources. They would have to, in order to have any chance of coming out on top in a fight against the Avatar State. Presumably, they knew they'd be making enemies by doing this, & have some kind of escape/hiding plan. So Asami has to "somehow" track this person down, "somehow" find out when they're vulnerable, "somehow" evade any spies catching wind of her plan, & finally "somehow" kill them. All while in a clearly irrational & reckless state of mind. An awful lot has to "somehow" go right for her.

      Just think about all of the villains who stood a reasonable chance of killing the Avatar. Azula was not really vulnerable until she lost her mind (again highlighting the point about how insanity isn't the best ally when plotting complex schemes), Amon was a master of disappearing & starting a new life not to mention his bloodbending, Unalaq & Kuvira controlled entire nations while the former was an Avatar himself, & it was next to impossible to find out anything about the Red Lotus.

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    •  it was next to impossible to find out anything about the Red Lotus.

      True, though we can state a couple of things based on the little we do have:

      1. They had substantial backup through covert agents of the Red Lotus, as evidenced in Zaofu with the example of Aiwei, who made it possible for them to nearly capture the Avatar. 

      2. Three of the four were highly skilled benders, and the fourth was an Empowered Badass Normal after gaining airbending. We can infer that Zaheer was a highly skilled martial artist even before gaining airbending, which made each of the four of them not only a legitimate threat, but a significant one. Yes, I know Zaheer basically got LOLstomped by Tenzin when they fought one-on-one, and only gained the upper hand once it became four-on-one. 

      If anything, in my opinion the Four were the most dangerous single threat to the Avatar other than post-fusion Unalaq before the latter went Spirit Kaijuu. And quite possibly were more dangerous, though that is only my personal opinion.

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    • There's more to fights than just raw power. Someone could try to kill somebody else and Korra could leap in front of them to protect them and sacrifice herself. Since there is a lot of talk about the scene from Justice League, here it is. Nobody would expect Toyman to kill Superman and the only reason why he was seemingly killed is because the attack was aimed at someone else.

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    • That would be senseless, she could use a rock wall, water shield, or air barrier.

      The DCAU writers have admitted to being inconsistent with Superman's powers for the sake of the plot. The guy is basically invincible.

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    • They did? I think in the cartoon his powers are way more consistent than in the comics(although he is weak as shit).

      An he could just grab them and fly like he did before(in the beginning of the video he dodged one at point blank range while holding Batman) and in the time it takes for Toyman to shoot again he could easily do what Diana did after she thought he was dead. It's less being inconsistent with his power and more making him dumb.

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    • Don't remember where I heard it, but the plot basically won't work if he uses his full powers.

      Fans have also complained that the DCAU "made him stupid," likely so Batman wasn't redundant.

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    • Korra could be chi-blocked. Then she wouldn't be able to bend and wouldn't be able to protect others with an earth wall or anything.

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    • I think the Avatar State > chi blocking. Now that she is an energybending, fully realized Avatar, I don't think chi blocking is a serious threat to her.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      They did? I think in the cartoon his powers are way more consistent than in the comics(although he is weak as shit).

      He's portrayed that way in the cartoons because he's holding back. waaaaay back. That's per his own dialog in one late episode of, IIRC, JL. 

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    • I don't think struggling to lift a nazi vehicle is holding back. But anyway, good dialogue. Makes me wonder how he can go on with life as CK when the world is like cardboard for him.

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    • If Korra had died in the Book 3 finale, Asami could easily have killed Zaheer on the spur of the moment.

      Consider this scenario: Suyin can't extract the mercury in time, and Korra dies. Zaheer is still running his suck, the jerkbender...and is, as per canon, embedded shoulder-deep in rock.

      Asami, with tears running down her face, just yells "shut up! Shut. Up!" and snap-kicks Zaheer, breaking his neck and/or one of the thinner parts of his skull and killing him. (Again: up to his shoulders in rock. He'd be a sitting turtle-duck, especially considering how evasively he fights. And Asami has very strong legs.)

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    • Maybe if she can kick him a lot of times before someone can stop her, yes. But i still think it's out of character.

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    • With help, I guess she could. But yeah, that doesn't seem to be how she reacts.

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    • How? Like Vegeta?


      Quite possibly.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      I think the Avatar State > chi blocking. Now that she is an energybending, fully realized Avatar, I don't think chi blocking is a serious threat to her.

      Really? Can you point to me where this is indicated? As I recall, Korra had three of elements permanently severed by Amon and Aang appeared to her and restored her bending. Korra no longer has a connection to him. Nothing is stated or shown anywhere that indicates that Korra is immune to chi-blocking.

      Also, after being a fully realized avatar, Korra had all four of her elements blocked by chi blocking darts and had to slowly recover all of her elements one-by-one. Yes, this happened in the video game but it is still considered to be canon. So something could happen to Korra that would at least temporarily disable her bending and leave her vulnerable.

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    • Korra ended up breaking a permanent chi block by communing with her past lives and learning energybending, either energybending or the Avatar State broke that (Aang's manifestation is through her).

      Hmm, guess I forgot about that in the game. Good point, I don't really have anything off the top of my head to contest that.

      Though, I have to wonder if she really could have just accessed the Avatar State or energybent and broke it.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:
      If Korra had died in the Book 3 finale, Asami could easily have killed Zaheer on the spur of the moment.

      Consider this scenario: Suyin can't extract the mercury in time, and Korra dies. Zaheer is still running his suck, the jerkbender...and is, as per canon, embedded shoulder-deep in rock.

      Asami, with tears running down her face, just yells "shut up! Shut. Up!" and snap-kicks Zaheer, breaking his neck and/or one of the thinner parts of his skull and killing him. (Again: up to his shoulders in rock. He'd be a sitting turtle-duck, especially considering how evasively he fights. And Asami has very strong legs.)

      I don't know if I see Asami being the killing type, even if a loved one dies. I'd imagine that she'd be more likely to try and be the strong, emotionless one. At least, in front of everyone. Even when her father died, she was pretty strong in the emotions department.

      The bigger problem is who does she confine in? The only one I can think of is Mako and that would probably lead them back together. >,>

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Deist Zealot wrote:
      If Korra had died in the Book 3 finale, Asami could easily have killed Zaheer on the spur of the moment.

      Consider this scenario: Suyin can't extract the mercury in time, and Korra dies. Zaheer is still running his suck, the jerkbender...and is, as per canon, embedded shoulder-deep in rock.

      Asami, with tears running down her face, just yells "shut up! Shut. Up!" and snap-kicks Zaheer, breaking his neck and/or one of the thinner parts of his skull and killing him. (Again: up to his shoulders in rock. He'd be a sitting turtle-duck, especially considering how evasively he fights. And Asami has very strong legs.)

      I don't know if I see Asami being the killing type, even if a loved one dies. I'd imagine that she'd be more likely to try and be the strong, emotionless one. At least, in front of everyone. Even when her father died, she was pretty strong in the emotions department.

      The bigger problem is who does she confine in? The only one I can think of is Mako and that would probably lead them back together. >,>

      Don't get me wrong; what I described is pretty much the only circumstance under which I can see her killing someone (with the pain new and raw, and the culprit right there gloating about it). She's a gentle person as a rule. But she does seem to be capable of a rather disturbing cold fury; while she certainly wouldn't premeditate, I wouldn't rule out her just losing her temper under extreme duress.

      And @SaitamaBro: she wouldn't necessarily have to kick him more than once. As I said, she's got strong legs; one good snap-kick to the temple, bridge of the nose, or base of the skull could do it.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:
      Kubernes wrote:
      Deist Zealot wrote:
      If Korra had died in the Book 3 finale, Asami could easily have killed Zaheer on the spur of the moment.

      Consider this scenario: Suyin can't extract the mercury in time, and Korra dies. Zaheer is still running his suck, the jerkbender...and is, as per canon, embedded shoulder-deep in rock.

      Asami, with tears running down her face, just yells "shut up! Shut. Up!" and snap-kicks Zaheer, breaking his neck and/or one of the thinner parts of his skull and killing him. (Again: up to his shoulders in rock. He'd be a sitting turtle-duck, especially considering how evasively he fights. And Asami has very strong legs.)

      I don't know if I see Asami being the killing type, even if a loved one dies. I'd imagine that she'd be more likely to try and be the strong, emotionless one. At least, in front of everyone. Even when her father died, she was pretty strong in the emotions department.

      The bigger problem is who does she confine in? The only one I can think of is Mako and that would probably lead them back together. >,>

      Don't get me wrong; what I described is pretty much the only circumstance under which I can see her killing someone (with the pain new and raw, and the culprit right there gloating about it). She's a gentle person as a rule. But she does seem to be capable of a rather disturbing cold fury; while she certainly wouldn't premeditate, I wouldn't rule out her just losing her temper under extreme duress.

      And @SaitamaBro: she wouldn't necessarily have to kick him more than once. As I said, she's got strong legs; one good snap-kick to the temple, bridge of the nose, or base of the skull could do it.

      Killing itself seems rather far fetched for her. The scene might play out like the whole Kai versus the trappers. However, Revenge might seem like the likely result if she was really pushed. It would also tie in with her background and the incident of her mother. Like father, like daughter?

      How often did Asami lose control of her emotions in the series? I cannot think of any moment other than maybe of the thought of losing her business and trying to revitalize it with Equalist-type robot suits. 

      Fighting wise, she was very talented but seemed to lack that killer edge. The electric glove itself gives more weight to the idea of her being rather clever in book 1 but also wanting to simply disable or incapacitate her opponents. Compared that to general bending.

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    • Zaheer is a martial arts master, and Asami never showed the power to break his neck in one kick. A kick to the temple would most likely just put him to sleep, if it did anything at all besides disorienting him. It's not that easy to one shot someone who is bigger and stronger than you by just kicking their head. If she had super strenght i would consider it, but Zaheer is an adult man trained and feared by the OWL and even other benders, i don't think a kick would kill him.

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    • Averages:

      1000-1200 foot pounds of torque to break a neck.

      Average range of force for soccer players is 1000 to 1200 pounds of force for amateurs and professionals, respectively.

      Foot pounds of force and torque are 1:1.

      "One-shotting" someone with a kick is seldom guaranteed, but it doesn't require "super strength" either. Zaheer is in a very vulnerable position, held in such a way that his head is free to move but his body is anchored, & presumably unaware of what is coming to brace for impact. Again, death is not assured, but not implausible.

      What we see in the scene itself also suggests he had his guard down. If he didn't, presumably he could've just used the airbending "breath blast" to blow Bolin away & avoid the unpleasant experience of having a likely dirty & smelly sock shoved into his mouth.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:

      Kubernes wrote:
      Deist Zealot wrote:
      If Korra had died in the Book 3 finale, Asami could easily have killed Zaheer on the spur of the moment.

      Consider this scenario: Suyin can't extract the mercury in time, and Korra dies. Zaheer is still running his suck, the jerkbender...and is, as per canon, embedded shoulder-deep in rock.

      Asami, with tears running down her face, just yells "shut up! Shut. Up!" and snap-kicks Zaheer, breaking his neck and/or one of the thinner parts of his skull and killing him. (Again: up to his shoulders in rock. He'd be a sitting turtle-duck, especially considering how evasively he fights. And Asami has very strong legs.)

      I don't know if I see Asami being the killing type, even if a loved one dies. I'd imagine that she'd be more likely to try and be the strong, emotionless one. At least, in front of everyone. Even when her father died, she was pretty strong in the emotions department.

      The bigger problem is who does she confine in? The only one I can think of is Mako and that would probably lead them back together. >,>

      Don't get me wrong; what I described is pretty much the only circumstance under which I can see her killing someone (with the pain new and raw, and the culprit right there gloating about it). She's a gentle person as a rule. But she does seem to be capable of a rather disturbing cold fury; while she certainly wouldn't premeditate, I wouldn't rule out her just losing her temper under extreme duress.

      And @SaitamaBro: she wouldn't necessarily have to kick him more than once. As I said, she's got strong legs; one good snap-kick to the temple, bridge of the nose, or base of the skull could do it.

      That's more or less what I think--if Asami was really pushed, she'd consider killing someone. But, I'd expect Bolin to stop her at the last minute.

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    • 1200 seems a little low, a boxer can punch about 1300-2000 lbs. They should be breaking necks all the time. The thing is, this requires the person to be relaxed, otherwised it would be really difficult to break someones neck(and that because we are talking about twisting, if it is a kick the chances are even lower).You may say Zaheer isn't going to notice her, but he wouldn't be yelling angrily(wich is out of character btw) because in this scenario he would have won, and i'm pretty sure he would notice a angry woman getting close to him while yellingt at him. The first kick won't kill him and they are surrounded by people with the mentality "it's better to arrest him even if he can escape later and kill a lot of people" that the Justice League have. It's actually a good comparison, although i don't think Asami is anything like WW aside from being a woman who fights(and even the way they fight is different).

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      Zaheer is a martial arts master, and Asami never showed the power to break his neck in one kick. A kick to the temple would most likely just put him to sleep, if it did anything at all besides disorienting him. It's not that easy to one shot someone who is bigger and stronger than you by just kicking their head. If she had super strenght i would consider it, but Zaheer is an adult man trained and feared by the OWL and even other benders, i don't think a kick would kill him.

      Not sure what Zaheer being an "adult man" has to do with it.  It's not as if Asami was a tween at that point in the story; she was nineteen and about the same height as Zaheer.  (And yes, he'd outweigh her, considering he's built like a gymnastics base and she's built like a dancer.  But I do not use the dancer comparison idly; although willowy, Asami is far from delicate.)  Unless what you're trying to argue is that Asami—despite also being a martial-arts master in her own right—would, just by virtue of being younger, not have had as much training?

      Asami has been shown to have very powerful legs (as evidenced by her pulling a metal bar out of the metal bulkhead of an airship by kicking herself off of the wall, shoddy worksmanship or no); she could certainly deliver a brutal kick. The human skull, additionally, has a structural weakness at the temple; killing someone with a single strike there is entirely possible. Ditto the bridge of the nose, if you strike upwards.

      All-in-all? Zaheer may be one scary bastard of an empowered badass-normal...but if he couldn't evade the way he usually seems to when directly attacked, Asami could easily kill him with a single direct kick to the temple unless he's got an abnormally durable skull (insert joke about fanatics being hardheaded). Especially if he'd just killed the girl she was falling for and was sitting there claiming victory—which, again, is the only circumstance under which I think she would kill. (For instance, if Korra hadn't survived the battle with Kuvira? Asami probably wouldn't see to it that Kuvira met an untimely accident; she'd just see to it that Kuvira spent the rest of her days on a wooden barge.)

      Neo Bahamut wrote: Averages:

      1000-1200 foot pounds of torque to break a neck.

      Average range of force for soccer players is 1000 to 1200 pounds of force for amateurs and professionals, respectively.

      Foot pounds of force and torque are 1:1.

      "One-shotting" someone with a kick is seldom guaranteed, but it doesn't require "super strength" either. Zaheer is in a very vulnerable position, held in such a way that his head is free to move but his body is anchored, & presumably unaware of what is coming to brace for impact. Again, death is not assured, but not implausible.

      What we see in the scene itself also suggests he had his guard down. If he didn't, presumably he could've just used the airbending "breath blast" to blow Bolin away & avoid the unpleasant experience of having a likely dirty & smelly sock shoved into his mouth.

      And that's just presuming that she did aim to break his neck.  It'd take less force just to kick him somewhere the human skull has a structural weakness.

      SaitamaBro wrote:
      You may say Zaheer isn't going to notice her, but he wouldn't be yelling angrily(wich is out of character btw) because in this scenario he would have won, and i'm pretty sure he would notice a angry woman getting close to him while yellingt at him. The first kick won't kill him and they are surrounded by people with the mentality "it's better to arrest him even if he can escape later and kill a lot of people" that the Justice League have.

      And no, Zaheer wouldn't be "yelling angrily" if he'd won...but when he thought that he'd pulled off an admittedly Pyrrhic (considering P'Li was dead, their two friends were dead, and I'm sure he knew he was going to end up in an oubliette where flight would be of no use to him whatsoever) victory, he was laughing and gloating about it.  If Korra had actually died, I doubt he'd have shut up any time soon.

      And not only could said angry woman (who, as stated, is as tall as he is and has strong legs) certainly close quickly enough to boot him in the head before he could really react?  The only way that he could react while restrained would be to try to roll with it, the success of which would at least somewhat depend on what angle she was coming at him from.

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    • I think this is getting onto a tangent, she has a massive electric gauntlet that is >>> a kick, but:

      The driving the nose into the brain and killing them thing is an old martial arts myth. Sure, you can blast someone so hard that you will kill them (not easy when unaided by a weapon), but that particular feat is not really accurate.

      Base of the skull/spinal cord or temples? Sure.

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    • Homophones are fun.

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    • I'm sure that Asami would probably electrify Zaheer before kicking him.

      I am also sure that Zaheer would have laughed more if Korra died because he already was laughing when he thought she was about to die. And the others surrounding him seemed to be more focused on Korra so it would have been easy for an angry Asami to charge at him.

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    • 1200 seems a little low, a boxer can punch about 1300-2000 lbs.

      Note that these measures are taken on braced, stationary targets, which usually doesn't happen in a fight, but in this case, is what Zaheer is.

      And, as with all things biology, it's an average. It's not like if you meet a certain amount of force, the neck is instantly guaranteed to snap.

      Also, that's probably why boxing is dangerous.

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    • Hanabi-chan wrote:
      I'm sure that Asami would probably electrify Zaheer before kicking him.

      I am also sure that Zaheer would have laughed more if Korra died because he already was laughing when he thought she was about to die. And the others surrounding him seemed to be more focused on Korra so it would have been easy for an angry Asami to charge at him.

      I'm not so sure about electrifying him and then caving in his skull; if she were to kill him, I can't imagine it happening under any circumstance except a brief moment of grieving rage. 

      If she were to run up and shock him instead of kicking him, on the other hand...well, that would probably save his sorry weeablew hide, for whatever that's worth to an anarchist faced with spending the remainder of his days in an oubliette.  Asami, as I stated earlier, is not a violent woman by nature; that brief moment of rage would pass quickly under any circumstances.  And if she had the presence of mind, in that moment, to shut Zaheer up non-lethally, she'd have succeeded at shutting him up and would thus probably see no real need to kill him.

      And I stand corrected on the nose thing; in my defense, someone who should have known better B.S.'d me. It remains that the temple is a structural weak point in the human skull.

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