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  • Of course there should be, but considering the way The Legend of Korra was executed and the network it aired on, I'd think some might think not.

    What do you think?

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    • It's not that I don't still think there is potential for stories to be told in this universe. But we've pretty much done everything that can be done. Most of the mysteries have been explained,all the lore has been fleshed out to the point of almost being stretched too thin.

      Perhaps I could see a standalone direct to video movie. But I doubt that another series could do anything the last two series didn't

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    • Wanna read half of the prequel to my Fanon? It actually sort of uses the plots from both Korra and Avatar and a bit of something new related to how the world is in real life right now.

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    • I had an idea for an Avatar series with Korra's successor in a 1960's Cold war James bond inspired setting. Where the Avatar is basically an Agent of a corrupt Earth Kingdom government.

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    • Where can I find it!? It sounds awesome!

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    • Never got around to writing it sadly. sorry.

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    • It's ok, but it sounds more than interesting!

      Here's the prelude to my Fanon, I've yet to come up with a unique style, but this is just the intro to the main antagonist. It's straight forward, really.


      After the Kuvira Saga, the ancient form of energybending has returned after the new spirit portal appeared. A wave of spiritual energy spread towards the United Republic and a few distant regions and some non-benders were granted the ability of energybending. One of these new energybenders is Urja, who has been through pain and suffering from childhood to adolescence experiencing hatred, violence and war. 

      Urja realises that if the world were to ever come close to achieving peace, love, equality, prosperity and putting an end to war is by ending the division of nations and uniting the entire world and spirit world together. She believes that the Avatar is unfit to do this and knows that there would be people against her idea (including the Avatar) and people supporting her idea. 

      Urja organizes a council, the Council of Peace. This organization goes around the world and Spirit World spreading and teaching its beliefs to everyone  and seeking anyone to join them in their mission for peace and uniting the nations. Some people believe in their ideas and join them, others are too stubborn or too proud to be willing to abandon their cultures and instead deemed the organization as a threat to society. 

      With the notion of opressed cultural difference and the idea to abolish the order of five nations, certain individuals saw the Council of Peace as the archaic Red Lotus. The organization was subsequently  banished from certain regions of every nation save for the Air Nation, and certain civilizations in the Spirit World. The Council took a more different approach in sharing their ideals and used media tactics such as: radio station broadcasts, ads on Newspapers, writing books on their goals and beliefs, (Television?), it works to some degree but not enough. They soon use a more direct approach (with Urja's constant insistance) and reach out towards the people in poverty, the youth, spiritually enlightened, and people looking for change. 

      After years of relentless outreach, they finally make a breakthrough. They gain physical and spiritual worldwide attention. After their beliefs and ideals were explained, it is concluded by the political class and social class that the organization's goals are too complex and too demanding towards a world that's nations cannot possibly be willing to "throw away" their culture, their identity, nor their social and economical structure. This only pushes Urja to appeal to the Avatar for assistance. Though Avatar Korra is empathetic towards the organization's cause, she believes that it's unrealistic and will only cause alienation, separation, conflict and inevitably war. She also clarifies that the reason for the Avatar's existance is to usher in an era of people of different nations and spirits to coexist and strive for peace. This only breaks Urja's heart. It frustrates her. It infuriates her. 

      Urja is determined to make the world one, if only the people the Council have been reaching out to were more dedicated as they were. So, she continues with the Council of Peace, recieving the same feedback she has been getting year after year. For so long, Urja's hope for peace and unity has been dicipating by the ages, with the light within her spirit fading, a shadow begins to take over and cloud her judgement. 

      Urja suddenly realises that if the Avatar has the power to guide people with Raava, the spirit of light, she can use her energybending to manipulate and control her into guiding people towards her goals for the world. Urja also realises that this act will instigate war, but reassures herself and the Council that it will be the war to end wars. This is the first instance of the darkness overshadowing her. 

      Urja knows she cannot simply waltz up to the Avatar, bend Korra to her will and expect nothing to go wrong. She needs to plan this thoroughly, and she needs a place to keep planning without higher powers hunting her down after she puts said plans into action. She needs the United Republic. The plan is to put the United Republic into a state of distress, enough so that the endangered nation will lure Avatar Korra into Urja's control and use her against the rest of the nations and enforce unity.

      Waddaya think?

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    • I still like how I describe my story.

      "What if the Equalists were really violent, but had no money, & also the story was told from the perspective of a nurse?"

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    • Did you post it? I wanna read it!

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    • A third Avatar series would be epic! However, I know it's probably not going to happen, but if it did, I would want it to be about a past Avatar, like before Yangchen, I don't want the setting to get to futuristic, because that would take away most of the East Asian themes. Plus, I've always wondered what the 10000 years before Korra were like.

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    • Thinking on it now, I am interested in another season/series in the Avatar franchise. I still think an Avatar series could be done with an Avatar we've not seen between Wan and Aang with a new story. But, there's also the possibility of after Korra, or even before the Avatars and Wan. Maybe the "ancients" that bent not the elements but themselves could be expanded upon?

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Thinking on it now, I am interested in another season/series in the Avatar franchise. I still think an Avatar series could be done with an Avatar we've not seen between Wan and Aang with a new story. But, there's also the possibility of after Korra, or even before the Avatars and Wan. Maybe the "ancients" that bent not the elements but themselves could be expanded upon?

      A series about the "ancient" energybenders would be pretty cool, I would like to see that.

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    • Avatar Chi wrote: Did you post it? I wanna read it!

      Indeed I did.

      Were there to be another series, another possibility is a series of vignettes showing things that were only briefly alluded to elsewhere in the franchise, such as the Red Lotus backstory, or the whole thing with Avatar Kuruk.

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    • Here's the general idea I had about the 1960's avatar.

      It has been Forty years since the events in Legend of Korra, and fifteen years since the death of Avatar Korra. The Avatar Universe is going through a time of civil turmoil, political intrigue. The Satomobiles have tailfins, jazz and Bebop have been replaced by early 'beatles style' rock and roll, Si Wong Cactus juice is the latest hallucinogenic substance on the market, youth are in rebellion, and many political groups, and guerilla militias have arisen from the chaos to take advantage of the rising discontent in the populace.

      I discussed a lot more about how the "James Bond' inspired setting could work on this thread.

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    • Not that I wouldn't like something like that, but wouldn't that put Korra's death at barely past 40?

      40 years since the series-15 years she's been dead=25 years+she was, what, 18? Let's round up & say 20=45.

      Hell did she die from, tuberculosis?

      Honestly, I don't really see why every story has to focus around the Avatar. Since we're going "James Bond," maybe there's, I dunno, some kind of United Republic CIA? You could have various iterations of bending styles, or even nonbenders, oriented towards stealth, infiltration, & subterfuge. Like, I dunno, an earthbender who tracks targets through a combination of the seismic sense & tunneling, or an airbender who uses a radar-cloaked glider suit.

      Much like the original Team Avatar in Legend of Korra, Korra's Team Avatar could be recurring guest characters.

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    • I was planning her death to be part of what triggers the Earth Kingdom Avatars defection and disenchantment with his Government, once he finds out the truth.

      I had an Idea that the Earth Kingdom government (specifically Ba-Sing Se) foresaw a bigger conflict with The United Republic or another rogue Earth Kingdom province that was meant to be an expy for Communist China or The Soviet Union. Building up spirit vine weapons in an allegory for Mutally Assured destruction. They wanted the avatar on their side for the big conflict, so they hedged their bets by limiting the number of children that can be born, and then had Korra Assasinated.

      Suprise suprise, the Avatar was born into their ranks and then scooped up by the Earth Kingdom government to be their trump card in the cold war.

      That was the general idea anyway.

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    • Sounds interesting. Since it's doubtful that there will be another series in the foreseeable future unfortunately, I think that you should write it. I'd read that.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: Sounds interesting. Since it's doubtful that there will be another series in the foreseeable future unfortunately, I think that you should write it. I'd read that.

      I agree, I'd love to read it! Heck, I'm coming up with a full-fledge fanon myself!

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: I was planning her death to be part of what triggers the Earth Kingdom Avatars defection and disenchantment with his Government, once he finds out the truth.

      I had an Idea that the Earth Kingdom government (specifically Ba-Sing Se) foresaw a bigger conflict with The United Republic or another rogue Earth Kingdom province that was meant to be an expy for Communist China or The Soviet Union. Building up spirit vine weapons in an allegory for Mutally Assured destruction. They wanted the avatar on their side for the big conflict, so they hedged their bets by limiting the number of children that can be born, and then had Korra Assasinated.

      Suprise suprise, the Avatar was born into their ranks and then scooped up by the Earth Kingdom government to be their trump card in the cold war.

      That was the general idea anyway.

      I do like that idea as well.

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    • You should definitely write it!

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    • Although I'm interested in a new Avatar series that takes place somewhere between Wan's era and Yangchen's era, or even before the era of the Avatar, I'm more interested in a series that takes place after Korra's era with the Avatar from the Earth Nation. I know that if the new series were to take place in a more modern or futuristic kind of era, then it may lose that old Eastern feel. However, if it were to be written with a group of writers like ATLA, animated with Studio Mir only! then it'd be well executed. I also believe that Korra wasn't well executed in the sense of writing; [[1]]

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    • This presumes that it will follow a similar progression to how our world did.

      They could go a drastically different route, seeing as they have now merged worlds with the spirit world. For instance, it could go more natural/biological/spiritual with less emphasis on mechanical technology.

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    • I also believe that Korra wasn't well executed in the sense of writing. 1

      Looks to me like a bunch of "it's bad because they didn't do what I wanted" backed up with a lot of completely baseless speculation that this means the creators obviously didn't respect their own work, which is actually contradicted by a lot of conveniently ignored facts (such as that Mike & Bryan were the sole writers ONLY for Book 1, which the blog considers the best of the 4, despite the thesis that the duo needs to be reigned in).

      Maybe you find that offensive. To tell the truth I find the blog pretty distasteful, but still, perhaps I should try to explain this another way:

      Suppose someone goes, "Avatar the Last Airbender has such bad writing, Aang won't kill even when it makes sense, so he gets magic powers from a giant turtle to let him win without killing."

      Is there even a point there? Not really, it's just stating a thing that happened, calling it "bad writing," & acting like it's self-evident. It is also conveniently unfalsifiable, as any disagreement can be framed as the dissenter just not knowing "good writing." And that's just assuming the statement is accurate, I don't think everything mentioned here is.

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    • Ok, the blog through me off for about a week or two, I'm sort of easily influenced when it comes to critiques. However, I do believe that some of the statements in the blog are true. I've reviewed some of Bryke's earlier work when they were in mid-process of ATLA. They like to dable with love triangles. It was something they did specifically in LOK from Book One to Book Two. It sort of occupied too much space in the plot sequences, and made the main plots feel rushed.

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    • Oh, and I'm reading the third chapter of 'Republic City Renaissance', I. AM. HOOKED!

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    • Certainly I don't think everything it said was unwarranted--it's much simpler to respond to when that's the case, but fortunately or not, not common.

      Bryan, unless he's fip-flopped, seems to not like romance much at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mike has a thing for love triangles. But I can't claim to be privy to all background details, particularly for the 1st series. Also, I don't think anyone liked the LoK love triangle.

      I saw that you corrected a typo on the 2nd chapter, though I never know if that means people are actually reading it. I'm glad to hear it, & hope it retains your interest.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      This presumes that it will follow a similar progression to how our world did.

      They could go a drastically different route, seeing as they have now merged worlds with the spirit world. For instance, it could go more natural/biological/spiritual with less emphasis on mechanical technology.

      Can you elaborate more on that, please?

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    • Uhhh, alright:

      Where LoK is now, is similar to our 1920's or so. However, it might not progress in the same line that we did from our 1920's to our 1960's. They could go a completely different route of progression or not progress at all. Their circumstances are way different, with a huge new variable in the opened spirit portals with spirits and humans really having a possibility to cross into each others worlds in ways they couldn't previously. Hell, closing the portals changed everything in Wan's time, and opening them apparently changed everything whenever they were opened in the first place.

      There's also just the bias that many of us tend to have, thinking that because it happened in our world and timeline, in our very specific set of circumstances, that this means that this is the path of how things will develop. Which is, frankly, fairly narrow minded. Even in our own world, with humans being the same species, in different cultures, we've had drastic differences in progression when in isolation from other groups. Look at the East and West, look at the group that migrated to the Americas originally and how diverse they were from the Arctic Circle down to the Ande Mountains.

      And just think if say the 300 Spartans lost against the Persians, Alexander the Great probably never would have been born and crushed Persia, and Western Civilization as we know it, never would have flourished as Helenization wouldn't have had the opportunity to spread and would likely have been inhibited by the structure of the Persian Empire. Say the US didn't get involved in World War II, or Hitler didn't piss off USSR and break the non aggression pact, WWII may have had a significantly different outcome or hell, it never happened and say nuclear technology and jet engines never really took off, Van Braun doesn't get conscripted into the US military projects on rocket development, leading up to our space program. Say Columbus never took up sailing. Etc etc etc etc etc. There are so many variables that got us to where we are today, to the specific state that we are right now, that its almost crazier to think that this is a logically predictable progression. The social sensibilities and issues are yet another matter, with global economic crisis of the 30's and build up to the war, the post war flourishing (in the US, with a destroyed Europe for years to come) and baby boomers, the Cold War and Red Scares, rejection of that culture and ideals with the hippies. Just so different and relating to specific events and trends that related to specific events and trends.

      Again, they are now open to spirits in a double world. Just imagine if in our world a portal to another dimension opened up tomorrow and we suddenly were able to explore this new world and new lifeforms were able to come over here and we could interact. Or if that happened at any point in our history. Things almost assuredly would have changed in unforseeable ways to where that alternative very well wouldn't even be recognizable. So, my point is, their progression could be entirely different than ours our 1920's - 1960's.

      Now, they easily could, because its fiction and they could do that, but they totally don't have to and it would probably even make more sense not to.

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    • Personally if there was to be an 3rd series I think it should take place right after Book 4 of TLOK. There is a lot of Earth Kingdom damage to fix, and plenty of emotional too. I had various Fanon ideas but none seemed right or I couldnt think of something believable. Any ideas I should think more into?

      1. Kya invents an asexual method of reproduction through an advanced healing technique. Tenzin has an massive conflict with Kya due to the method being "unnatural" and required some manipualtion of spirits. Also Tenzin's children fantasize non-stop about Kya's one child and want to see him/her as their cousin. Korra however finds it rather interesting due to her relationship with Asami

      Extra Possibility: Kya first tested this with Tenzin and Lin's genetic material after watching Tenzin have "children issues" with Lin which led to their break up. She created an earthbending child of Tenzin and Lin which would be effectively useless to Tenzin, so she set the child up for adoption in Zao Fu. An place she knew Lin would NEVER want to go to

      Once Kya brings this up chaos ensues

      The bomb shell:

      It also turns out that this first "artificial" child is actually Kuvira herself (she was an orphan remember?)


      2. The Book of Baatar. Baatar Jr is forced to fix a lot of damage he caused, however the kingdom makes multiple attempts to assasinate him due to his and Kuviras actions. Family has trouble forgiving him

      Mostly an book of an emotional journey of Baatar Jr. He has an crush on Kuvira for a long time and took the "Earth Empire" thing as an good opportunity but as we know, it fails. In this book he tries to regain his Father's approval


      3. The Book of Death

      This was an strange dream I had of watching Book 3. However it takes place 15 years after Book 4. I found it to saddening to think about

      -Every original Team Avatar member has past away. Katara, Zuko, and Toph

      -At the beggining Bolin is seen crying at Toph's grave while hugging his 3 year old son. He promises to name him "Toph Jr" and Opal has concerns with it. Mako appears shortly after facepalming and "I cant believe you married my brother". 

      Bolin also has the mustache of his Father

      -Tenzin, Lin, Suyin, Bumi, Kya, Tonraq, Senna have all retired and are no longer helping Team Avatar. All of their hair are white

      -An villain combines spirits with technology to create demonic robots. Unlike previous books, Korra and crew have to do this without the help of the newly retired Team Avatar allies. Also Bolin constantly panics and hopes his wife and son are safe

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    • Oh, I know the Avatar world might not go through an "American 70's theme," I just think that would be interesting.

      The notion that there would be, say, cities combined with spirit wilds everywhere & they've mastered advanced biology concepts with relatively little progression in engineering is also interesting.

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    • My friend and I are working on a fanfic that takes place in the equivalent of the 1950s. We didn't kill off Korra, though, she's still around. Most of our major plot events involve the Fire Nation becoming unstable when Iroh II takes the throne. We also play with the idea that Harmonic Convergence gave people more than just airbending and there are now all sorts of new benders around the world, making nonbenders less and less common. 

      Most of my research involves looking up what inventions did and didn't exist in the time period and trying to decide what the technology might look like in Korra's world. The fanfic makes a couple references to 1950s America -- Bolin is a TV star now, and one of his big hits is a series called "I Love Nuktuk." ^_^ Other than that, though, I tend to leave real world events out of consideration, since the Avatar world has a completely different history from ours. 

      Thinklogic, I like the idea of Baatar Jr. trying to mend things with his family. Let me know if you write it. 

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    • Lol, I kinda feel outshined and overwhelmed bybthese awesome ideas! I've still yet to come up with a clear and believable idea for a fanon. 

      Some these ideas are pretty neat though.

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    • My ideas may sound complicated, so here goes:

      1. I wanted more of a super Avatar from the Earth Kingdom, where he'd master all of the the elements and the subskills, but that'd be overpowering him, and there wasn't much else to go on.

      His enemy would be the Dark Avatar who is also from the Earth Kingdom and is master of all elements and subskils as well only as a girl, but I felt too conflicted to bring that kind of villain back and she was overpowering too. So I scrapped that idea.

      2. I was inspired by the idea that Raava's spirit would manifest with a pair of twins, so I came up with a small plot where one twin was spiritual, and the other more physical. Both were boys, and both had the Dark Avatar as the enemy- I know, I know, but I was obsessed with this kind of villain from the getgo, I still kinda am- only this time she bent Earth and Water and was somehow connected to Unalaq. I scrapped that one too.

      3. This one was recentlt scrapped. I stuck with the idea of twin earthbender Avatar. This time one was a boy and the other a girl. It had an Energybending antagonist named Oni and one of his subordinates is the Dark Avatar -hehe- he wanted a world with ebergybenders only, but that sounded too much like ATLA. So, yeah, I scrapped that idea.

      And at some point later, I came up with his origin story, were he used energybending to split Raava in two and extract Vaatu and sort of merge with him like Wan did pre Harmonic Convergence. Bad Idea

      4. Now this one is a little tricky for me. I want this one to be multi-centered, as in, I won't only focus on the Avatar, but the Antagonist, the effected people, the spirits, and the nations. I wanted a little more of space exploration towards the end were they'd colonize on the Moon, on Mars, and Mars's moons (I feel that's too much to put in the story, but I feel like I can squeeze that in somehow or not, I'll start a discussion on that later).

      Basically, after the 3rd portal is created, a few small populations of non-benders around the physical and spiritual worlds are granted energybending. Korra and Asami take a vacay via Spirit World. Mako, Wu, and the World Leaders go to the Earth Kingdom and plan on making the Earth Kingdom a Federation (I'm still working on this portion or if I should make so Wu appoints a Prime Minister or something along those lines). Some of Kuvira's supporters turn into some kind of secret rebel organization where they try to rid people of the United Republic and continue to hail her as the Earth Nation's greatest leader.

      Then there are the new energybenders, it's noticable enough for them to be aware of their new power. They are somewhat taught to master their power by enlightened humans and/or spirits.

      At some point a few people begin to notice the conflict between the Kuvira Supporters and the URN. One energybender named Urja (the Antagonist) believes that the division of Nations influences hate amongst people of diverse cultures and origins and decides that energy is the key to solving that problem. Cut to many years later, the world sees Urja as a threat to society which conflicts her inner being and causes her to take agressive measures in her plans for world unity.

      I still don't have enough to go on, but I get ideas here and there.

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    • I'm thinking I want to do something with spirits, maybe some kind of pseudoavatar/s in the post-Book 2 timeframe, but I've got a ways to go before I can do that.

      Most of my research involves looking up what inventions did and didn't exist in the time period and trying to decide what the technology might look like in Korra's world. The fanfic makes a couple references to 1950s America -- Bolin is a TV star now, and one of his big hits is a series called "I Love Nuktuk." ^_^ Other than that, though, I tend to leave real world events out of consideration, since the Avatar world has a completely different history from ours.

      Sounds a lot like how I've been doing things, only with the 50's instead of the 10's & 20's.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Oh, I know the Avatar world might not go through an "American 70's theme," I just think that would be interesting.


      They've already got hippies, Buddhism, and Asian instruments all you need is Cactus juice LSD and your pretty much set.

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    • I keep reading "Buddhism" as "BDSM." Did I mention I have a fever?

      The triads must be selling something. It's unlikely they can subsist entirely on racketeering & the odd rigged Pro-Bending match.

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    • What would human colonization in the Spirit World be like. I wanna do that kind of thing too.

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    • Avatar Chi wrote: What would human colonization in the Spirit World be like. I wanna do that kind of thing too.

      There was a thread a while back called "What's on the other side of the Avatar world," which agitated me because the obvious answer is empty sea, & at 1 point I said that if there WERE some kind of lost continent or tribe or whatever, it'd probably be in the Spirit World.

      May or may not use that idea. I was envisioning kind of a large island floating in whatever spirit shenanigans were going on, where the inhabitants were becoming increasingly spirit-like with each generation, but there are a lot of things that could be done.

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    • I just thought of something cool.

      Being that the Si Wong Desert is barely populated do to its hostile conditions, architects come up with an idea to build underground burrows and fortress made of metal or platnum.

      This can grant more colonization for nomadic citizens and vistors, and the source of energy can be the sun: Solar Powered generators or something like that.

      Plus, if skilled earthbenders can lavabend, then skilled sandbenders can glassbend and create green houses to promote vegetaion.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Looks to me like a bunch of "it's bad because they didn't do what I wanted" backed up with a lot of completely baseless speculation that this means the creators obviously didn't respect their own work, which is actually contradicted by a lot of conveniently ignored facts (such as that Mike & Bryan were the sole writers ONLY for Book 1, which the blog considers the best of the 4, despite the thesis that the duo needs to be reigned in).

      Maybe you find that offensive. To tell the truth I find the blog pretty distasteful, but still, perhaps I should try to explain this another way:

      Suppose someone goes, "Avatar the Last Airbender has such bad writing, Aang won't kill even when it makes sense, so he gets magic powers from a giant turtle to let him win without killing."

      Is there even a point there? Not really, it's just stating a thing that happened, calling it "bad writing," & acting like it's self-evident. It is also conveniently unfalsifiable, as any disagreement can be framed as the dissenter just not knowing "good writing." And that's just assuming the statement is accurate, I don't think everything mentioned here is.

      Additionally?  I'm not finding the source on it (there's been a key blog deleted).  But if I recall correctly, one of the mods at that blog...let's put it this way, explicitly rates the fact that Korra and Asami are both women as a reason why they shouldn't be a couple.  So yeah; I'd take anything from that blog with an entire salt mine.

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    • I didn't find that post, but honestly, I don't really need another reason to dismiss this next to the way they:

      Use every contrived anti-Korrasami argument in the book, especially the constant whining about being "accused of homophobia."

      Take quotes out of context & argue against straw men.

      Complain that people "can't take criticism," then hypocritically continue making claims that have been debunked.

      Seem to want to bring back the Hays Code for some retarded reason.

      Just generally aren't nearly as clever, creative, or witty as they think they are.

      Don't seem to understand the concept of fleshing out things that were never set in stone to begin with.

      Make pointless, spiteful caricatures out of Korra & keep claiming that leaving the spirit portals open was "wrong" without ever demonstrating it.

      Have a stupid grudge against the creators & an "I say it's okay to have a different opinion from me, but I don't really mean that in the slightest" attitude.

      That was fun, maybe I should make some kind of "Stupid Things on Avatar Blogs" thread after all.

      I'd also like to add, the fact that they complain about Aang being a "bad parent" shows they don't give a quarter of a shit about "realistic characters." In Aang's culture, you weren't even raised by your parents, so he shouldn't really even have a sense that his children need his attention or just a damn clue how to be a responsible parent in general. Of course that's not what we got, because that's depressing, & I'm okay with that.

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    • I feel a little silly now that I have seen those parts of that blog. The one I sent you before was what conflicted me, and being the easily influenced, I kind of took it to heart. I can see that some of these bloggers are just immature snarks.

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    • But there is one of there ideas I actually liked. It actually sounded nice and a little more focused on the plot.

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    • Avatar Chi wrote: I feel a little silly now that I have seen those parts of that blog. The one I sent you before was what conflicted me, and being the easily influenced, I kind of took it to heart. I can see that some of these bloggers are just immature snarks.

      It happens. Like I said, not every point is terrible, (though I would say the vast maojrity are) they're pretty spot-on about the love triangle being an annoying waste of time, about how dumb it is that the duo admit to intentionally writing a finale that didn't make sense, how forced Boleska is & how it essentially turns domestic abuse into a joke, & some others.

      But damn, is it fun to make fun of the other stuff.

      But there is one of there ideas I actually liked. It actually sounded nice and a little more focused on the plot.

      I thought that was an okay idea. That the Pema's brother story was slightly better than the Noatak one, but the proposed ending is significantly worse. Oh, look, an Antikorra's idea of how to "fix" the show is to essentially use Deus Ex Machina to replace her with Aang at the most crucial moment. What a completely original idea that makes great use of a character & doesn't in any way send the message that her only worth is in being Aang's successor.

      Putting those together, I'd say it comes out to be about the same in terms of quality & even plot devices to what actually happened, just that the plot twists were slightly different things.

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    • I still admit, I like his idea of a better Book One.

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    • I edited to include a response to that. Spoiler Alert: I feel like it's a decent idea, except for 1 glaring problem, but it's not something I have a burning need to see happen.

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    • And...What is that exactly?

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    • Like I said, I edited it into my previous comment, after I saw that you had posted again:

      I thought that was an okay idea. That the Pema's brother story was slightly better than the Noatak one, but the proposed ending is significantly worse. Oh, look, an Antikorra's idea of how to "fix" the show is to essentially use Deus Ex Machina to replace her with Aang at the most crucial moment. What a completely original idea that makes great use of a character & doesn't in any way send the message that her only worth is in being Aang's successor. Putting those together, I'd say it comes out to be about the same in terms of quality & even plot devices to what actually happened, just that the plot twists were slightly different things.
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    • Yeah, that part was rickdiculous. The Aang Deus Ex Machina that is.

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    • Those blog posts were painful to read. When there was some idea worth considering, it was drowned out by three or more stupid thoughts.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I didn't find that post, but honestly, I don't really need another reason to dismiss this next to the way they:

      Use every contrived anti-Korrasami argument in the book, especially the constant whining about being "accused of homophobia."

      Take quotes out of context & argue against straw men.

      Complain that people "can't take criticism," then hypocritically continue making claims that have been debunked.

      Seem to want to bring back the Hays Code for some retarded reason.

      Just generally aren't nearly as clever, creative, or witty as they think they are.

      Don't seem to understand the concept of fleshing out things that were never set in stone to begin with.

      Make pointless, spiteful caricatures out of Korra & keep claiming that leaving the spirit portals open was "wrong" without ever demonstrating it.

      Have a stupid grudge against the creators & an "I say it's okay to have a different opinion from me, but I don't really mean that in the slightest" attitude.

      That was fun, maybe I should make some kind of "Stupid Things on Avatar Blogs" thread after all.

      I'd also like to add, the fact that they complain about Aang being a "bad parent" shows they don't give a quarter of a shit about "realistic characters." In Aang's culture, you weren't even raised by your parents, so he shouldn't really even have a sense that his children need his attention or just a damn clue how to be a responsible parent in general. Of course that's not what we got, because that's depressing, & I'm okay with that.

      I say this as someone who considers unalloyed praise only slightly less useless than incoherent bashing: there were...maybe two valid critiques, by which I mean specific reblogs or sentences from specific reblogs, in those posts.  Precisely neither of them were made by the mods.  And I think that one mod's bias is showing.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote: Those blog posts were painful to read. When there was some idea worth considering, it was drowned out by three or more stupid thoughts.

      All things considered, less painful than JesuOtaku's shitweeting.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      Here's the general idea I had about the 1960's avatar.

      It has been Forty years since the events in Legend of Korra, and fifteen years since the death of Avatar Korra. The Avatar Universe is going through a time of civil turmoil, political intrigue. The Satomobiles have tailfins, jazz and Bebop have been replaced by early 'beatles style' rock and roll, Si Wong Cactus juice is the latest hallucinogenic substance on the market, youth are in rebellion, and many political groups, and guerilla militias have arisen from the chaos to take advantage of the rising discontent in the populace.

      I discussed a lot more about how the "James Bond' inspired setting could work on this thread.

      Funny thing I have actually written something similar to this, including an Earth government force using the avatar and cactus juice narcotics

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    • I intended on using cactus juice drug references, but I don't know if that's coincidence or I got the idea from someone else.

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    • And also found other yet moronic general idea that setting of third series Like this Thread is (Ugh) Cyberpunk setting [Likely due of outsiders of Fandom and Cyberpunk Avatards is blindly think this is "Western" Anime thus a course need Cyberpunk setting unrealistically] even Series is Majority high fantasy and I feel its possible can have Biopunk elements well oblivous reasons (Due of all Non-benders are forced converted into Airbenders by Harm Con., In my theory Nonbenders could been use to Cyber implants some Chemical engineering to be "Synthetic Bending" if show had fourth series)  and still remain Mainly Dieselpunk setting due of end Book 4 where there lot of parells to 1930s and other ideas of Third series setting of Dieselpunk setting with "Fallout style" Punk elements is very likely if one of creator Bryke could work alone.

      (PS And I know most of my grammar is badly poor due of my mental illness.)

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    • Chad.roberts.1612 wrote:
      And also found other yet moronic general idea that setting of third series is (Ugh) Cyberpunk setting [Likely due of outsiders of Fandom and Cyberpunk Avatards is blindly think this is "Western" Anime thus a course need Cyberpunk setting unrealistically] even Series is Majority high fantasy and I feel its possible can have Biopunk elements well oblivous reasons (Due of all Non-benders are forced converted into Airbenders by Harm Con., In my theory Nonbenders could been use to Cyber implants some Chemical engineering to be "Synthetic Bending" if show had fourth series)  and still remain Mainly Dieselpunk setting due of end Book 4 where there lot of parells to 1930s and other ideas of Third series setting of Dieselpunk setting with "Fallout style" Punk elements is very likely if one of creator Bryke could work alone.

      (PS And I know most of my grammar is badly poor due of my mental illness.)

      It's no problem, your ideas are ingenious for a 4th series. In the 3rd series there'd need to be some sort of conflict to fix in order to allow that kind of prosperity even with benders. You get me? Being that this universe isn't anthing like our, it'd probably take a little more time for the Avatarverse to develop that way, but being that it's fiction, then probably they can do what ever they want really.

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      Chad.roberts.1612 wrote:
      And also found other yet moronic general idea that setting of third series is (Ugh) Cyberpunk setting [Likely due of outsiders of Fandom and Cyberpunk Avatards is blindly think this is "Western" Anime thus a course need Cyberpunk setting unrealistically] even Series is Majority high fantasy and I feel its possible can have Biopunk elements well oblivous reasons (Due of all Non-benders are forced converted into Airbenders by Harm Con., In my theory Nonbenders could been use to Cyber implants some Chemical engineering to be "Synthetic Bending" if show had fourth series)  and still remain Mainly Dieselpunk setting due of end Book 4 where there lot of parells to 1930s and other ideas of Third series setting of Dieselpunk setting with "Fallout style" Punk elements is very likely if one of creator Bryke could work alone.

      (PS And I know most of my grammar is badly poor due of my mental illness.)

      It's no problem, your ideas are ingenious for a 4th series. In the 3rd series there'd need to be some sort of conflict to fix in order to allow that kind of prosperity even with benders. You get me? Being that this universe isn't anthing like our, it'd probably take a little more time for the Avatarverse to develop that way, but being that it's fiction, then probably they can do what ever they want really.

      Ok, I got you think with no plot it feel useless, If there be plot if All Benders want survived now possible Spirital Wilds forestation after events of Book 4 and some Humans from United Republic of Nations want intentionally become Half Human Half [Avatar, (Any) Animal, Spirit or Chimeras] to be better than others through mixed of Biotechnological means or Spirtial Possesion from acutal Sprits.

      And some form radical Anti-Human[ist] groups formed before events of Third series to abadoned being human in favor being more non-normal or non-human with be around with Spirits or Chimeras as their Lifestyle.

      Some Anti-Humanist goal is kinda steal Ravva's "genes" to make them "Avatar-like" is could be kinda threat.

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    • I see, but continuing from the conflict in LoK were the Earth Nation is bankrupt, it'd take them a lot of time, and money to reach that kind of intellegence unless they stretch the season amount and episode count perhaps. Your idea is like I said, ingenious. I love the idea.

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      I see, but continuing from the conflict in LoK were the Earth Nation is bankrupt, it'd take them a lot of time, and money to reach that kind of intellegence unless they stretch the season amount and episode count perhaps. Your idea is like I said, ingenious. I love the idea.

      I dont know, Put what was nice to support my idea, And that idea could possibly solved in LOK Comics soon? Just like Avatar The Last Airbender interquel comics.

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    • I like the idea of a 3rd Avatar series. Come to think of it I wonder if the next Avatar can reconnect with their past lives (you know the one's Korra lost).

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    • I'm sure they he/she can. It just takes deep concentration and focus. Here's a thread on it, maybe this will answer your question.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote: I like the idea of a 3rd Avatar series. Come to think of it I wonder if the next Avatar can reconnect with their past lives (you know the one's Korra lost).

      Worth noting that the analogy they used was that it was like wiping a hard drive.

      Do you know how to get data back after a hard drive dies?

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    • But it can be done!

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    • Pretty sure, if the hard drive is truly wiped, it can't. That's why I keep losing all of my shit.

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    • As I understand it, you don't ever "truly wipe" it. But, like you say, it is extremely difficult to recover, particularly with more involved techniques ("normal" wipes can feasibly have information recovered, but you'd have to really want that data).

      That said, WoG sounded like Korra's not getting it back and the implication seems to be that they won't be back for the successors either.

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    • Not the analogy I would use, either. Now, bear in mind this is how I, personally, interpret the events in question. 

      Raava became bonded to Wan, making him the First Avatar, and beginning the Avatar Cycle. Wan died, the Second Avatar was born, and so on for ten thousand years, with each new Avatar adding to the list of the Past Lives for that Avatar Cycle. 

      Along comes Aang, who while he initially seeks out Roku's advice, eventually decides not to follow his predecessor's advice on at least two occasions. He does not kill Ozai, and he does not kill Zuko(See The Promise)

      Aang dies, and along comes Korra. Then Vaatu is released, fuses with Unalaq, and the two of them forcibly tear Raava from Korra and destroy her current form - and with it, the accumulated past lives. Thus, Korra is the last Avatar, and after her, the Avatar Cycle is over.

      Korra, however, is able to restore Raava by pulling her from Vaatu - a process that would have occurred naturally over the course of the next ten millenia, but which she is able to accomplish in part thanks to Deus ex Jinora(that's an entirely separate conversation).

      Korra then re-fuses with Raava. This does not represent a restoration of the Avatar Cycle. Instead, it is the beginning of a second Avatar Cycle. Korra did the same thing Wan did ten thousand years earlier, making her the First Avatar of a new Avatar Cycle. The past lives of the previous Avatar Cycle, however, are gone - it's rather akin, if you will, to restoring a computer from a previous backup. The key stuff is there, but any files that had been created since that backup was made are irretrievably lost.

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    • I agree with all of that stuff you 2 said about the implications of losing the past Avatars.

      I don't know much about how data is encoded, but I'm sure it could be permanently lost. Like, if the thing melts, there's not really anywhere for it to even BE.

      Anyway, I guess I understand why people want them back, but at the same time, it kind of defeats the point. Sometimes things get broken & you can't get them back, so you have to make the best with what you have. People were complaining about a lack of long term consequences for Book 1, well, here they are.

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    • That's kinda how I see it. And as far as Korra herself is concerned, it's not like her past lives is something she ever relied on. Across Book 1 and 2, the only instances are the brief flashbacks to Yakone's trial and the Aang ex Machina at the very end of Book 1. In Book 2, there's zilch. Of course, that itself means that the consequences of what happened in Book 2 were minimal to nonexistent where Korra herself is concerned - but that's a whole 'nother conversation.

      Additionally, it's not like even Aang relied on them that much - mainly just Roku, and in certain cases even after consulting Roku, he didn't take his advice. Besides acting on Roku's information about Sozin's Comet, the only time I can recall he did consult one of his past lives and take that previous Avatar's advice was when he consulted Yangchen in The Rift.

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    • They tend to not be as useful as one would think, aside from providing something to differentiate the Avatar from other fictional heroes.

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    • So, is permanently losing the connections a bad thing? Personally I feel it did have it's benefits, such as the knowledge and skills and maybe a few instances of insight but over all, I think it gives the new cycle a fresh start for the next Avatars to come, maybe a change in the cycle.

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    • It really isn't, IMO. As I've already pointed out, Aang himself made very little use of the past lives in terms of consulting his predecessors - he only ever contacted Yangchen twice, Kyoshi IIRC once or twice, I think Kuruk once. And he contacted Roku a few times.Of those times, he only ever actually took their advice or acted on the information they provided maybe a couple of times.

      And Korra didn't rely on them at all, at least not deliberately.

      As for the rest, there are always going to be other people whom the Avatar can ask for advice - Aang was an exception because his previous teachers were all dead and he mostly was around kids not much older than him. Korra mostly relied on Tenzin, except in Book 2.

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    • But what about the knowledge and skills the past lives had, wouldn't that sort of weaken the power of the Avatar State for the new cycle?

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    • Looking at the series, I really don't think so. I honestly can't say that I saw any noticeable decrease in power in terms of the Avatar State in either Book 2 or Book 3, the exception being in the first half or so of the latter, during which Korra was dealing with extremely severe PTSD - that's psychological, nothing to do with Raava or the Avatar State, and a problem specific to Korra. 

      Also, Wan was shown to be quite capable and quite powerful when using the Avatar State against Vaatu, whom he handled just fine on his own. So no, I don't really think there was that much of an impact, if any, in that regard.

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    • So, when the next Avatar after Korra is born, will he/she gain any significant power from Korra's knowledge and skills? Will he/she have a little more power? And if so, being that Vaatu is inside Raava, will the Avatar gain any power from Vaatu... will they have any influence on/of him at all? 

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    • Vaatu should not be an issue for at least a few hundred if not a few thousand years, since it takes, based on inferences we can draw from dialog, about ten thousand years for him to regain his full power after his defeat. Not saying it'll be ten millenia before he's a threat, but it'll be probably at least a few millenia before he is able to exert any kind of measurable influence.

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    • Krsna, he's still going? I really hate this thing people do where they post a zillion complaints so it takes forever to address each thing properly. Oh well, here goes:

      1. This has a lot to do with budget & the small selection of spirits we saw initially. Spirit nature (ie light vs. dark) was never specified in Last Airbender, again, fleshing out something that wasn't explored much in the 1st place.

      2. A. Only 1 location was visited in Last Airbender, this is like moving from a desert to a rain forest & shouting, "this can't be the same planet!"

      B. Koh's tree is not the Tree of Time.

      C. What the Hell are they even talking about? People other than the Avatar (ie Iroh) entered the Spirit World in Last Airbender, & the method was never described. I'm legitimately beginning to wonder whether or not this person watched either show.

      3. Varrick is a scheming rich guy, concocted a scheme to gain a controlling interest in Future Industries. Fail to see the problem.

      4. Finally, a decent point.

      5. Nobody complains about this sort of thing when Batman does it.

      6. Talking to spirits is presumably a spiritual activity, no explanation for the rule that spirits can't resemble animals (which actually flies in the face of most spiritual traditions). This is just a total non sequitur.

      7. "Jinora is a Mary Sue, no I don't have to explain how."

      8. More evidence for my "he didn't even watch the show" theory.

      9. What the Hell does this even MEAN?

      10. Doesn't matter, by his own admission, & also he's complaining that planetary alignments having magical effects is unscientific? Spirits are unscientific!

      11. "I've lived a thousand lifetimes" was an obvious expression, even before LoK was a thing.

      12. So creating an indefinite bond means the bond can't be severed? This is seriously reaching.

      13. Awful lot of rage over a metaphor that's clearly designed to fit into the tradition vs. change theme.

      14. Why does he keep saying, "suddenly"? And I notice he's ignoring that his point here, essentially "don't contradict previous Avatars, what they did works" completely sidesteps his repeated complaint that Aang refused to kill--in defiance of what the previous Avatars did, which worked well.

      15. The Lion Turtle said "the ancients," but I'll grant that this whole sequence is unclear.

      16. Granted.

      17. Korra clearly destroyed Vaatu, she even said as much, & a lot of people figured this out. Oh, & once again, insisting without evidence that keeping the spirit portals open was a bad idea.

      18. Pfah! Yes, Korra, you're such a terrible Avatar for enforcing your idea of harmony on other people.

      "I feel like I’ve been assaulted by this show’s stupidity"

      Nope, that was his own. Though I actually liked it more upon a 2nd viewing, Book 2 has enough problems that he shouldn't have to resort to just plain making shit up.

      I'm too lazy to count up the fair points, half truths, assertions without evidence, & false points, but I'm pretty sure it's skewed away from the fair points.

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    • That is true, however, I'm still pondering that Bryke -although a meaningful presentation of self-confidence, and independence- shouldn't have opted to destroy the connection between Korra and her past lives. Side question: do you believe Korra or the next Avatar can reconnect with the past Avatars, albeit ignoring the message. I agree with pint 13 to a slight degree. How will the next Avatars recieve the proper guidence, aside from Korra. There may be some conflicts in with Korra hasn't had any experience dealing with nor has the wisdom to guide the Avatar.

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    • It could be possible. We had Tenzin seeing Aang in the spirit world. If they are separate entities from the current Avatar (which just doesn't make sense to me) and still exist, it seems as though it could be a possibility to get them back. And, if a different team is working on the show, they could ignore Bryke's idea of cutting them loose or even just flat out retcon it if they felt like it.

      Now, assuming they do not come back, well, the Avatar won't have lives prior to Korra to help them out and they'll just have to deal with it.

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    • It's not really that they're separate entities themselves, but that the Spirit World can apparently hand out visions to anyone. So that's 1 point.

      Another point is that, even if there weren't several factors that mitigate the damage that losing the past lives did...why do people assume that everything that happens has to be a net benefit for the main character? Ostensibly, the point was that you can't come this close to the apocalypse without losing something major, that's going to effect the world into perpetuity.

      The short version is that, much as I liked the past lives as a concept, I'm impressed they had the balls to get rid of them. The more attached the audience is to something, the more meaningful it is when it's lost.

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    • Y'know, I agree. The thing of it is, when something important is lost, sometimes there's a way to get it back or to recover, and sometimes there isn't. My complaints about Endgame aside, that's one example where there was a way to reverse the damage done. 

      As for the Book 2 finale and the loss of the past lives, I see that as an example of a situation wherein two things were lost, only one of which could be recovered. As I pointed out above, the way I interpreted what happened in Book 2 is that the Avatar Cycle was forcibly ended when Raava was torn from Korra and the past lives were destroyed by Unalaq/Vaatu - making Korra, as she herself stated, "the last Avatar" of that Avatar Cycle. When Korra reconnected Raava, this began a new Avatar Cycle, with Korra being the FIRST Avatar of this new, separate Avatar Cycle. And like the first Avatar of the first Cycle(Wan), she has no past lives to rely on any longer - not that she did rely on them when she had them.

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    • I want a new GOOD avatar series. I want to think Avatar did not end with a lame boss fight against a giant robot, controlled by the least interesting villain of the whole franchise.

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    • That's your prerogative and your opinion. I'd like to see more animated too. But for at least the foreseeable future, the franchise is done as far as animated works. All we're getting is the comics.

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    • Yeah, I know, but maybe, if the creators see how many people want a new animation... Nickelodeon will threaten their families unless they make a new series. You know they would.

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    • I'm sure if they took a look at this wikia, they might just get some inspiration from it. Personally, if they were to do a new Avatar centered series I'd be pumped, but they shouldn't just do that, they could create a sort of mini-series similar to Republic City Hustle and come up with short origin stories for certain relevent characters, and special one hour films --something they should've done with the Hundun villain of the LoK game-- like the Dragon Ball franchise, only with more connection to certain plots in the series.

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    • Avatar Chi wrote:
      [...]create a sort of mini-series similar to Republic City Hustle and come up with short origin stories for certain relevent characters[...]

      If this means what I think it does, I'm not sure if I'd prefer this or comics.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:

      If this means what I think it does, I'm not sure if I'd prefer this or comics.

      What do you mean?

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    • I had another idea a while back for an ATLA spinoff. I imagined a series of 'Star Wars: Clone Wars/Animatrix" Style shorts where Bryan and Mike let a bunch of well known directors and animators direct short films based around the ATLA/LOK universe.

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    • Honestly, while I would've preferred additional animated works, I'm fine with the comics myself.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      I had another idea a while back for an ATLA spinoff. I imagined a series of 'Star Wars: Clone Wars/Animatrix" Style shorts where Bryan and Mike let a bunch of well known directors and animators direct short films based around the ATLA/LOK universe.

      Again is very impossible UNREALISTICALLY to ever happen due of possibly in theory do with Non-benders to used their creative technology and show is still High/Urban Fantasy. Put it still just be In-universe Dream from Varrick if he never any devloped airbending powers is kinda possible see an Book 4 and Series ending that he believe to be airbending devloping powers to his new wife.

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    • I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. But as for your comment about Varrick, if you're referring to what Asami said to Tenzin about Varrick wanting to borrow an air-glider suit...that was a lie.

      It was said somewhere - in the DVD commentary for the episode, IIRC - that Asami just said that to Tenzin to get him out of there so that she could spend some time alone with Korra.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. But as for your comment about Varrick, if you're referring to what Asami said to Tenzin about Varrick wanting to borrow an air-glider suit...that was a lie.

      It was said somewhere - in the DVD commentary for the episode, IIRC - that Asami just said that to Tenzin to get him out of there so that she could spend some time alone with Korra.

      Look from my other comment in say about my theory of Cyberpunk theme third Spinoff are unlikely to happen in Avatar universe and its say about my mental or vocal illness about my bad grammar, And sorry of Varrick using air-glider suit for something, Put I talking about an other commenter of be mix style of Star Wars Clone War (2003 or 2008?) and Animatrix are related to Cyberpunk and Sci-Fantasy from 80s/90s is feel unfitting for other idea of other spinoff.

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    • Avatar Chi wrote:
      Deist Zealot wrote:

      If this means what I think it does, I'm not sure if I'd prefer this or comics.

      What do you mean?

      People want villain backstory elaborations (especially for the Red Lotus ops—all of them).  And I'm not sure if I'd prefer a Red Lotus Hustle web miniseries, or an Avatar: Roots of Anarchy comic.  (Those names are entirely fanon and not the least bit serious.)

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:
      Avatar Chi wrote:
      Deist Zealot wrote:

      If this means what I think it does, I'm not sure if I'd prefer this or comics.

      What do you mean?
      People want villain backstory elaborations (especially for the Red Lotus ops—all of them).  And I'm not sure if I'd prefer a Red Lotus Hustle web miniseries, or an Avatar: Roots of Anarchy comic.  (Those names are entirely fanon and not the least bit serious.)

      I agree. It doesn't matter how it's delivered, a good story will be a good story.

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    • Tinymouse has a point - how it's done is totally irrelevant as far as I'm concerned, as long as it's good. As for the RL, the only one I'm really all that curious about is Ghazan. Couldn't care less about the others. But that's just me.

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    • I'd be curious to learn more about P'li. I would like to see more how combustionbending works and even how you attain it. Is there a combustion tribe? Questions like those I would like to be answered.

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    • Totally, those kinds of backstories would be good too. Like a "Zuko/Korra Alone" kind of backstory or something.

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    • Looking specifically at the LoK villains, the only ones we really got any kind of a real backstory on are Amon and Tarrlok - we know, basically, everything we need to about their background and what led them to become who they are now, at least IMO. That leaves: Zaheer, P'li, Ming-Hua, Ghazan, Kuvira, and Unalaq.

      I mention Unalaq, because while we do know a little bit about his history, to me it's not enough, because at that point he was IMO already basically a villain. I'd be interesting in knowing a little more about Unalaq before that point, and what led him first to conspire to have his brother banished, and second to later approach the Red Lotus, and eventually to turn on them and go it alone. 

      As for Zaheer and his clique, as I mentioned previously the only one I am really all that interested in is Ghazan and what his story is, though the others I suppose could be interesting - Zaheer and what prompted his obsession with air nomad culture, and in particular with Guru Laghima; Ming-Hua, who according to Word of Lion-turtle was actually born without arms (how'd she learn to waterbend? That I'd be curious about), and I guess P'li and her story.

      I will say this, however: I would be really interested to know a little more about Kuvira. Not as interested as I would be in, for instance, Ghazan or Zaheer. But from the scant bits and pieces that we do get from dialog, I think her history could be an interesting one.

      But that's just one fellow's opinion.

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    • Yes. But full seasons, no 12-14 episode nonsense, doesn't allow for strong character development or for the stories to flesh out. Didn't work for Total Drama when they made that the standard length of their seasons.

      I would also hope it does not advance further into the world we see in Korra, to me the look of that world is still offputting. Try a prequel set before the war, or even during the war. Far before the time of the war, I don't know. A time when the Air Nomads still prospered.

      A more proper backstory for these villains would certainly be nice.

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    • I'd imagine Ming-Hua's training involved floating in the water, trying to move it with her stumps.

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    • Lil Tinymouse wrote:
      I'd be curious to learn more about P'li. I would like to see more how combustionbending works and even how you attain it. Is there a combustion tribe? Questions like those I would like to be answered.

      My best friend took a very dark approach to P'li's backstory in her fanfic. The idea was that combustionbending could only be achieved by blocking certain chakra paths on young firebenders and directing all the pent-up energy through the tattoo on the forehead. It was very painful and the combustionbenders were raised in a facility where they were taught that they were "living weapons" -- nothing more than objects to be used by whoever purchased them. (Of course, Zaheer rescues P'li after the warlord purchases her, which was pretty close to what little detals the canon gave about her.) 

      I'd like to know more about Ming-Hua's background as well. I like the image of her floating in the water and trying to connect with her element. 

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    • OMG, all of these ideas! I can't resist the temptation! Lol

      Would any one of you guys be interested in collaborating and creating a close to ultimate fanon?

      We could work together through here or elsewhere. It could be fun.

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    • I guess I would be interested, but if you could elaborate more on what you mean, that would help:)

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    • Okay. I want to create and Avatar Fanon. Something that won't scew off course into some different realm were everyone can bend everything and everything in the world has evolved into something you'd see in a cheap sifi movie.

      A fanon that can stay true to the franchise with only a minimal amount of technical and social prosperity. We can create story for: the next Avatar after Korra; some other Avatar before Yangchen; an event that took place during any Avatar's era from a single person or group point-of-view; or a spin-off telling the story of a person whom has interacted with eithe Aaang or Korra. If anything we can try to come up with ingenius plots and objects that tie in perfectly with the franchise.

      Who's in?

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    • Sounds to me like you've got some pretty good ideas. Fist thing I think you need to do is narrow that down to which one idea you want to write. And based on what you said you want to do, I think the best one would be writing in the past, so of your three main ideas, the one before Yangchen would be the best fit IMO. Beyond that, the plot and development, as long as it fits within the universe it's set in, can be whatever you as the author decide it to be.

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    • I thought I could create a story for an Avatar after Korra, but I'm too overwhelmed with ideas to come up with a clear plot. So a story for an Avatar before Yangchen is perfect.

      Now for the plot. I'm thinking of an Avatar that deals with a world drought caused by a villain who captured Tui and La. I'm still coming up with some more plots.

      Lemme know what you guys think. And if you want feel free to critique it and pitch your own ideas. I'm totally open to them.

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    • They should make a story that takes place in a modern present day setting where bending was almost completely forgotten about due to the fact that all of the new technology destroyed everyone's spiritual connection and very few people know about it with even fewer being able  to bend.

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    • That would kill the essence of the series. Totally not.

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    • Brpup1 wrote:
      They should make a story that takes place in a modern present day setting where bending was almost completely forgotten about due to the fact that all of the new technology destroyed everyone's spiritual connection and very few people know about it with even fewer being able  to bend.

      I like the idea, but it would be better if people in the physical world were to lose that spiritual aspect in life and for the people in the spiritual world (which is bound to happen at some point) have a very strong connection to spirituality and therefore almost don't have non-benders.

      However, the Spirit World isn't as humanly populated as the physical world.

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    • If they can retroactively make a tragic villain out of Unalaq, I will seriously applaud them. It's not that I think it'd be difficult to do so (quite the opposite, in fact); it's that it seemed like he got just slightly more characterization than, say, P'Li. And that's setting the bar low for a secondary antagonist such as P'Li, much less an arc villain such as Unalaq.

      Ming-Hua reminded me of a shadow archetype of Toph (read: the character who made it clear that ableism is a problem that does canonically exist in the Avatarverse) and got precisely no backstory (although some of it's easy enough to guess because ableism) unless you count trying to figure out her guards (and yet, people still say that she had no antivillain cred). Combine the two, and I'm curious.

      P'Li—as I insinuated above with the Unalaq comparison—remained fairly inchoate as far as characterization goes...but we did get that brief, evocative glimpse into what made her tick. There's also the fact that, as Lil Tinymouse pointed out, combustionbenders are kind of a great big (get it; because P'Li and Sparky were both tall as all hell?) enigma. (On top of that, her introduction made me think of Fox Xanatos from Gargoyles.)

      Ghazan got enough characterization to come off as another shadow archetype (of Bolin, in his case) and a cryptic snippet of backstory with the "two out of three" bit. And then, there's his last-minute villainous breakdown; there's gotta be some sort of story behind that. So...he falls under the same category as the two-cool-for-one-uppercases.

      As for Zaheer? Well...to be absolutely honest, outside of the context of P'heer, I wanted to swat the guy. I mean, yelling "dammit!" at an antagonist is one thing; just wishing you could haul off and smack them into next season is another. And Zaheer, any time that he wasn't getting cozy with P'Li, was decidedly in the "want to smack" category; reminded me too much of a weeaboo. (Predictably, a certain percentage of the fandom has started calling him a "weeablew.") So...if they can manage to make me give a damn about him, I'll be impressed.

      Let me count the ways in which I'm conflicted about Kuvira.

      Katrinasforest wrote:
      My best friend took a very dark approach to P'li's backstory in her fanfic. The idea was that combustionbending could only be achieved by blocking certain chakra paths on young firebenders and directing all the pent-up energy through the tattoo on the forehead. It was very painful and the combustionbenders were raised in a facility where they were taught that they were "living weapons" -- nothing more than objects to be used by whoever purchased them. (Of course, Zaheer rescues P'li after the warlord purchases her, which was pretty close to what little detals the canon gave about her.)


      Yikes. I think I want to read it.

      Brpup1 wrote: They should make a story that takes place in a modern present day setting where bending was almost completely forgotten about due to the fact that all of the new technology destroyed everyone's spiritual connection and very few people know about it with even fewer being able  to bend.

      While I don't necessarily agree with Fire Eater, that would have to be handled very, very carefully. (Avatar Chi's idea would be one possible good route.)

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    • Deist Zealot, here's a link to the fic, if you're curious: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11443107/5/Hidden-Powers

      There's a couple plotlines going on besides the combustionbending facility, hence why the first time it shows up is in chapter 5. (Also, while the whole fic is not up yet, I can conifrm that it is completely written and will eventually be posted in full.) 

      Back on topic, I confess that when P'li gave that little hint of a backstory the first time around, my thoughts were, "Oh, no you don't! You can't just drop in a sad tragic past and make me care about these two!" And then... P'li and Su's battle happened. However much I might've disliked Zaheer, his expression in that brief momet really made me feel for him. (And trust me when I say that getting me to care about someone who was planning to murder Izumi is no easy task.)

      Avatar Chi, it sounds like you've got some interesting ideas, but the idea of an "ultimate fanon" sounds a bit vague. You might be better off putting together a list of existing fanons that you feel all stick pretty close to the original. In which case, put me down as intriguied.

      Personally, I try to keep my stories as close to canon as possible. I've had some moments where characters were shocked to learn that something had been happening "off-screen", though.

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    • Fire Eater wrote: That would kill the essence of the series. Totally not.

      I'm afraid I have to agree. It doesn't really make any sense in context. Last Airbender doesn't work on the logic that "magic" & technology are like matter & antimatter, & eventually 1 has to annihilate the other.

      Deist Zealot, here's a link to the fic, if you're curious: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11443107/5/Hidden-Powers

      I am conflicted. SPOILER alert if you don't want to know why:

      While I think this person's writing style is interesting & they've chosen a few interesting points to write about, including bloodbending training, something I myself plan to do, I don't like the really bizarre & forced retcon giving Zuko the power to bloodbend.

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    • why here should be third series when you have live action fan-made series that continues on from beginning. http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1333120

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    • Katrinasforest wrote:

      [...]Avatar Chi, it sounds like you've got some interesting ideas, but the idea of an "ultimate fanon" sounds a bit vague. You might be better off putting together a list of existing fanons that you feel all stick pretty close to the original. In which case, put me down as intriguied.

      Personally, I try to keep my stories as close to canon as possible. I've had some moments where characters were shocked to learn that something had been happening "off-screen", though.

      I do apologize for the vagueness, I was just overwhelmed with ideas that practically made me gitty with excitement. Putting up a list of fanons sounds doable though. I believe I have in this thread a little while ago but those were scrapped. I still have some new ones. I'll put them up later.

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    • Neo Bahamut , thanks for putting up the spoiler warning. I didn't think of that.

      I did contribute somewhat to this fic (hence why HyperFerret gave me co-writing credit), and I'll own up to the bloodbending concept. I really liked the idea that Toph and Ming-Hua, by using their bending almost every waking moment of their lives, take their abilities to a level far beyond what normal benders can do. I suggested having a character who used bloodbending every day in the same way and also suggested making it a deep, dark secret of one of the canon characters. I can totally understand how it comes off as retcon, though.

      The background of the combustionbenders and how they're created is completely HyperFerret's idea and takes more center stage as the story progresses. So I hope my weird contributions don't stop you from enjoying her work.

      If you do write a fic about bloodbending training, I'd love to read it.

      Avatar Chi, will you let me know when you put the list up? I'm definitely curious. 

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    • I've yet to put up any existing fanons, however, there are 4 fanons I'm currently working on that will definitely be put up at some point.

      -The 1st fanon I'm working on is similar to the short Prelude to my villain, Urja. Although I think I will change her name. The working title is: One World; One Nation; One Earth. The story takes place 90 years after the Kuvira Saga of LoK primarily in the Si Wong desert. The Avatarverse has only experienced little change in technological and social prosperity. The Avatar spirit was split in two and manifested within Lan and Shan, a pair of earthbending twins born on the outskirts of the Si Wong desert. After the events of the Invasion of the URN, tensions rose. Kuvira Supporters began to rebel. The United Republic is on the verge of econmical depression. Most citizens or the both the URN and EN are out of jobs, and violent criminal activity is at an all time high. A new cult verion of the Red Lotus, called the Council of Peace is trying to unite the entire world by force. The story is still in development.

      -The 2nd fanon will take place after the 1st fanon a follow-up called: The Light of Eiva a fire Avatar.

      -The 3rd fanon is about colonizing the Spirit World as one single nation.

      -Th 4th fanon, is about an Avatar before Yangchen. The main plot at this point is about a world drought caused by Tui and La's disappearance.

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    • I'll probably still check it out, whenever I get time. And for what it's worth, while I don't think it really makes sense, I can see you added it for a reason.

      If you do write a fic about bloodbending training, I'd love to read it.

      There's sort of a longer running series I'm writing, which I chose to call Republic City Renaissance. Much like within the main show, each "book" is named for something the protagonists have to master. The current book is "Void," since the protagonist is a nonbender.

      1 of the main characters of "Void" is a detective, & I plan to go back & tell the story of how she got her job, which involves the rise of a new leader of the Red Monsoons. It's going to alternate between the 2 as focal points, hence the title "Blood & Steel." I don't know exactly what I'm going to do with the "steel" part, since we've already seen a lot of metalbending training, but bloodbending is mostly untouched territory.

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    • What a coincidence; I've actually been following Hidden Powers.  And while I'm a bit dubious about a few things (the bloodbending bit and the western names in chapter 5, mainly)...I'm actually enjoying it.

      (So...it couldn't be more obvious that Pike was P'Li.  Is Tomas who I think he is?)

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    • You should see the names I come up with.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:
      What a coincidence; I've actually been following Hidden Powers.  And while I'm a bit dubious about a few things (the bloodbending bit and the western names in chapter 5, mainly)...I'm actually enjoying it.

      (So...it couldn't be more obvious that Pike was P'Li.  Is Tomas who I think he is?)

      Oh, wow. That's so cool. Glad to know you're enjoying it so far.  Yeah, Tomas is exactly who you think he is. (Assuming you think that in his toddler years, he narrowly escaped a horrible pentapox epidemic.) Always knew that kid would grow up to be trouble. 

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    • Yeah, thought so.

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    • How about a series that takes place some time between Avatar Roku's death and Aang's reemergence from the Iceberg? It could take the point of view of a non bender, who was greatly affected by the Fire Nation, has his life turned upside down when he discovers there are a group of rebels fighting for freedom (in the same spirit as the Original Team Avatar) and giving people hope. It would be nice to have a protagonist anyone could relate to, and no better character than a nonbender who is an average joe. It would also give an in-depth view of what life under the Fire Nation was like before Aang came along. I'm very curious to see what happened during the time Aang was gone.

      Or, one where the main protagonist is a White Lotus agent who strives to be a hero like Korra.

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    • Would a series about exploring the galaxy and has an Avatar to help his/her people to conquer

      the alien planets to establish the colonial planets will be good? 

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    • Torresp, I'm not sure it's possible to create a character that "anyone can relate to." A nonbender is still going to have his or her own personality quirks that some people will love and some people will hate. I do think it would be interesting to see what happened in the world when there was basically no avatar for 100 years. 

      Bersarker, that sounds, timeline-wise, more like a fourth or fifth avatar series. (I guess depending on how long Korra and the avatar after her live for.) I remember reading one Korra fanfic set in the future though. I liked the concept, although I missed having the old characters make cameos. 

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    • I would be especially intrigued by an ATLA side-story-esque sort of thing set during the Hundred-Year War/prior to Aang being freed from the ice. Just because it would be interesting to see the conflict from the point of view of someone who is affected by it - maybe, for example, someone living in one of the Fire Nation colonies. 

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    • In fairness to Torresp, I don't think he meant "anyone" that literally. Alternately, the point could be made that "anyone" is not necessarily "everyone."

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: I would be especially intrigued by an ATLA side-story-esque sort of thing set during the Hundred-Year War/prior to Aang being freed from the ice. Just because it would be interesting to see the conflict from the point of view of someone who is affected by it - maybe, for example, someone living in one of the Fire Nation colonies. 

      Just what my idea is. I was thinking a teenage boy from a Fire Natin colony in the Earth Kingdom whose parents were taken away by the Fire Nation and he doesn't know if they're dead or imprisoned, etc. He is a non-bender who uses Shurikins and sticky goo bombs and spent most of his life fending for himself. He then encounters a rebel cell dedicated to resisting the Fire Nation's rule, being a predecessor to the First Team Avatar and steal from the Fire Nation military, but give to the needy. I really don't believe rebellion or resistance was lacking before Aang came along.

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    • Torresp wrote:

      Just what my idea is. I was thinking a teenage boy from a Fire Natin colony in the Earth Kingdom whose parents were taken away by the Fire Nation and he doesn't know if they're dead or imprisoned, etc. He is a non-bender who uses Shurikins and sticky goo bombs and spent most of his life fending for himself. He then encounters a rebel cell dedicated to resisting the Fire Nation's rule, being a predecessor to the First Team Avatar and steal from the Fire Nation military, but give to the needy. I really don't believe rebellion or resistance was lacking before Aang came along.

      So basically Star Wars Rebels set in the Avatar-verse? No thanks.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      In fairness to Torresp, I don't think he meant "anyone" that literally. Alternately, the point could be made that "anyone" is not necessarily "everyone."

      Probably. I need to take off my critiquing hat now and again. It's unhealthy to wear it all the time. ^_^;;

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    • Torresp wrote:
      Just what my idea is. I was thinking a teenage boy from a Fire Nation colony in the Earth Kingdom whose parents were taken away by the Fire Nation and he doesn't know if they're dead or imprisoned, etc.

      That sounds like it could be pretty interesting. I'd definitely read that if you were to write it.

      Torresp wrote:
      I really don't believe rebellion or resistance was lacking before Aang came along.

      I'm inclined to agree that at least in the FN colonies, especially the newer ones, it's likely that there would be at least some small pockets of resistance - the kind of thing Jet and the Freedom Fighters were doing. Might not be too large or successful, but could work. 

      In the older FN colonies, that's a lot less likely IMO, because there would have been more time for the two cultures to become more integrated the way we see in Yu Dao in The Promise - with maybe a FN-descended upper class, with the middle- and lower-classes being predominantly of EK descent, but not as much of the discrimination you might see in a newer colony.

      Those, at least, are my thoughts on the subject.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: I would be especially intrigued by an ATLA side-story-esque sort of thing set during the Hundred-Year War/prior to Aang being freed from the ice. Just because it would be interesting to see the conflict from the point of view of someone who is affected by it - maybe, for example, someone living in one of the Fire Nation colonies. 

      Oh, here's one of a few ways it can go. One way is to have it take place five years before Aang came along, and can use characters already known, such as War Minister Qin, and see Zhao as a Captain, etc. I would like to see a story where the rebels learn that Ba Sing Se is under siege, and decide they must make their way to Ba Sing Se, infiltrate the besieging forces and attempt to assassinate General Iroh, but it fails. Here's two ways it can fail--one could be that two of the rebels learn of the death of Lu Ten, see how distraught Iroh was, and decide the must call off the mission out of strong moral principle, but then one wrong move gets the garrison's attention and they have to run from them. Another could be that the rebels didn't count on Iroh not being in his tent like anticipated, and it catches the army's attention, then the rebels flee. Or, the rebels get captured (sometime after Iroh learns of the death of his son), Iroh tells his men he wants to speak with the rebels alone, he speaks in his usual, wise tone, giving them some kind of speech. Because he suffered the loss of his son, he secretly decides to spare the rebels out of pity and let them go with a head start, by letting himself get knocked out, and then lies to his men about what happened after the heroes escape.

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    • Why people love the ideas of prequel of Avatar: The Last Airbender so much?

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    • Because it's a way of looking at how the world was dealing with the Hundred-Year War outside of the events directly influencing and influenced by Team Avatar. It's another look at a different part of the same world we as fans all know and love, and it's an intriguing concept from a storytelling standpoint.

      At least that's my response to the idea. And I do like the idea, but I find the last one Torresp posted the most interesting, personally.

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    • Plenty of opportunities to fill in aspects of the story or show characters' adventures leading up to it. An immediate prequel to ATLA isn't my first choice (I'd like something way earlier, before the One Hundred Year War), but, it could be interesting.

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    • Katrinasforest wrote:
      Torresp, I'm not sure it's possible to create a character that "anyone can relate to." A nonbender is still going to have his or her own personality quirks that some people will love and some people will hate. I do think it would be interesting to see what happened in the world when there was basically no avatar for 100 years. 

      Bersarker, that sounds, timeline-wise, more like a fourth or fifth avatar series. (I guess depending on how long Korra and the avatar after her live for.) I remember reading one Korra fanfic set in the future though. I liked the concept, although I missed having the old characters make cameos. 

      Can't be in the third? At least for the late books like in book 3 and 4. If the series go long enough, I think it can happen.

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    • There is this article on reddit.com, it discussuses whether there should be a 3rd or 4th Avatar series. They said that making another series may ruin the entrire franchise unless they come up with really good plots and not recycle old plots etc. They also said that making the franchise evolve to a more modern version, like the modern world irl will make it lose the old eastern feel. I agree with the last statement, but I don't think they could make it as modern as the real world is now. They could still make it old eastern with a modern twist. What do you guys think?

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    • Well, it's not wrong. As long as the world keeps advancing, only the really poor, crappy areas, or specific areas preserved for historical purposes (IE palaces) are going to feel "old." I think Legend of Korra worked just fine, though, so I don't see a reason to worry about this, in a hypothetical where the old team is still making new series.

      I also don't think they have a problem coming up with new plots. The OP mentions "cliches" like artificial intelligence. Firstly, I think he's conflating "cliche" & "trope." There are still new, creative things that can be done with artificial intelligence, just like there's still new, creative things that can be done with feudal settings like Avatar's.

      Do I think that's necessarily the way that the series should go? Well, it does raise some interesting questions about where technology fits in with all of this spirity stuff. Avatar's world is pretty "timeless," so it lends itself easily to all manner of settings. But I'm still a little skeptical.

      At any rate, as other threads have shown, ideas for a next series are hardly limited to "cyberpunk or bust."

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    • I think it is absolutely crucial they maintain the look and tone of the original series and not go too deep into that modernized stuff, or else you're going to water down the heart of the series and what made it unique into nothingness. And as you know, I feel the modernization in Korra frequently went too far. It's not a series I identify very strongly with its predecessor, regardless of how stupid I'm sure that sounds.

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    • Doesn't sound stupid at all - I mean, I personally disagree, but I can see how you feel that way and why. That being said, I do agree that there're limits to how far a hypothetical future series could go before it was too different to really be Avatar anymore.

      For that reason, I feel the best thing that could happen is that we get a few three-volume LoK comic series like we got for ATLA that wraps up what very few loose ends remain, and then let the franchise quietly expire, rather than running the risk of a continuation that might fail to measure up to its predecessors.

      That way, us fans can, to paraphrase Phil Collins, keep the franchise in our hearts, now and forevermore.

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    • Fire Eater wrote:
      I think it is absolutely crucial they maintain the look and tone of the original series and not go too deep into that modernized stuff, or else you're going to water down the heart of the series and what made it unique into nothingness. And as you know, I feel the modernization in Korra frequently went too far. It's not a series I identify very strongly with its predecessor, regardless of how stupid I'm sure that sounds.

      I think it should be a mixture. I really wish the world to be radically different in a theoretical future sequel, but at the same time want it to be close to the oriental mysticism that was part of AtLA's core foundation.

      I thought TLoK was too westernized, focused more on the physical and, in addition of the technological advancement, it felt a little off. For a future installment? i'm thinking in a world along the lines of Nausicaa, and maybe Mononoke Hime.

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    • I think those are Miyazaki movies, right? I haven't seen very much of his work, but I do know that Bryke are both fans. They have cited him and his work as being a major influence on their own designs for ATLA/LOK (IIRC, Hiroshi Sato in Book 4 bears a marked, deliberate similarity in appearance to Hayao Miyazaki).

      So it seems very likely, if Bryke were to continue the Avatarverse beyond LOK, that they would continue to draw from Miyazaki's work for inspiration with their own creations, meaning that we could conceivably see something along the lines you allude to. Which would probably be pretty cool - though as I've said, my own direct experience with Miyazaki's work is highly limited.

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    • Interestingly, the Book 2 Spirits were a lot like those featured in "Spirited Away," which people hated.

      Spirited Away kind of started strong but swiftly petered out, in my opinion. I enjoyed Princess Mononoke. Haven't seen any others.

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    • Yes, those are Miyazaki's, you should totally check those. Every movie is like a self-contained world and makes you wish for more.

      The main thing with fanon ideas, is that we rarely stop thinking as westerners. We focus too much in technology, rules and logic. If there's someone who can create a world mixing technology, magic and oriental mysticism, without losing consistency, that's Miyazaki. I didn't notice the thing about Hiroshi, that's a fun fact.

      EDIT: TLoK Book 2 spirits are nothing like Spirited Away. In most Miyazaki's tales, spirits are these outworldly beings whose desires and intentions are beyond human compehension. They're often misterious and treated with respect. AtLA despicted spirits in a more shintoist way. Korra kind of killed it, transforming these beings into... pokemons, or something.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:

      Torresp wrote:
      Just what my idea is. I was thinking a teenage boy from a Fire Nation colony in the Earth Kingdom whose parents were taken away by the Fire Nation and he doesn't know if they're dead or imprisoned, etc.

      That sounds like it could be pretty interesting. I'd definitely read that if you were to write it.

      Torresp wrote:
      I really don't believe rebellion or resistance was lacking before Aang came along.

      I'm inclined to agree that at least in the FN colonies, especially the newer ones, it's likely that there would be at least some small pockets of resistance - the kind of thing Jet and the Freedom Fighters were doing. Might not be too large or successful, but could work. 

      In the older FN colonies, that's a lot less likely IMO, because there would have been more time for the two cultures to become more integrated the way we see in Yu Dao in The Promise - with maybe a FN-descended upper class, with the middle- and lower-classes being predominantly of EK descent, but not as much of the discrimination you might see in a newer colony.

      Those, at least, are my thoughts on the subject.

      Actually, in older colonies after the Air Nomad genocide, I think around the time of their formation would there be rebellion, especially at a time when the Fire Nation adopted an imperialist viewpoint. If the prequel took place at that time period, they're at a time where the two cultures haven't integrated yet, so rebellion could still have occurred. But it doesn't really change the fact that the Fire Nation ruled with brutality and tyranny. Yu Dao I get because that was formed years before the Air Nomad genocide and the hundred year war began. When you have an evil empire that rules with brutality and takes away your freedom and way of life, rebellion is inevitable. You know the saying, when tyrants or bullies bring people to their lowest points, that's when true heroes rise to the challenge.

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    • Well, I was speaking from the point of view of something happening only a very short time prior to Aang's return, when many of the colonies had a long history and established culture well in place. If you're going as far back as the Air Nomad Genocide, it is more likely, because they would be relatively new even back then. That, of course, could also be very interesting.

      As for the very oldest FN colonies, the oldest chronological reference we got was when Roku confronted Sozin about the recently-established colonies - IIRC that was some time around 35 BG, so about 35 years before the Air Nomad Genocide. It is entirely plausible to theorize that Yu Dao, as one of the oldest colonies, would among those first colonies that were established during Roku's lifetime. Meaning that if you're looking at something around the time of the beginning of the Hundred-Year War and the Genocide, then yeah, you're probably going to get a lot of friction.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: Well, I was speaking from the point of view of something happening only a very short time prior to Aang's return, when many of the colonies had a long history and established culture well in place. If you're going as far back as the Air Nomad Genocide, it is more likely, because they would be relatively new even back then. That, of course, could also be very interesting.

      As for the very oldest FN colonies, the oldest chronological reference we got was when Roku confronted Sozin about the recently-established colonies - IIRC that was some time around 35 BG, so about 35 years before the Air Nomad Genocide. It is entirely plausible to theorize that Yu Dao, as one of the oldest colonies, would among those first colonies that were established during Roku's lifetime. Meaning that if you're looking at something around the time of the beginning of the Hundred-Year War and the Genocide, then yeah, you're probably going to get a lot of friction.

      Doesn't have to be at the beginning of the war, could also be in the middle of Azulon's reign. There'd still be friction there as well. There, you'd have people who remember a time when life was better before the Fire Nation took over their province. Even during Azulon's reign was the Fire Nation still at the stage of securing it's grip on the continent.

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    • A story about an insane airbender that forming a group of people who wanted to take revenge on Fire Nation for

      what did they had done during the Hundred Years War would be good. An a new Avatar must stop him before

      they will succeed their primary target, the Fire Lord.

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    • That one's actually nice.

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    • You know, you're right - that is a good story idea. And what's really cool is that it could work for something that would take place during Korra's lifetime for example, or with the Avatar after her. The latter would be particularly intriguing because he would probably be either born in the URN or the Earth Kingdom, meaning there's the possibility of a cultural bias due to his heritage as well.

      Torresp wrote:
      Doesn't have to be at the beginning of the war, could also be in the middle of Azulon's reign. There'd still be friction there as well. There, you'd have people who remember a time when life was better before the Fire Nation took over their province. Even during Azulon's reign was the Fire Nation still at the stage of securing its grip on the continent.

      Probably true as well. After all, Azulon himself reigned for seventy-five years, from AG 20 to when he was murdered in AG 95. That is a long time, although the more time passes, the more the cultural situation in the oldest colonies will change, so I do think earlier rather than later would be best. BUT at the same time, something I hadn't thought of is that taking the advantage of an older colony say, during the middle of Azulon's reign around say, AG 40 to 75 or so, you're going to have a more interesting situation for the story because that process of integration is gradually taking place, meaning that on the one hand you could have people who are accepting of and finding ways to benefit from the change in their situation vis-a-vis the Fire Nation occupation, and on the other hand you have people who are going to have a more overtly anti-FN viewpoint akin to, say, Jet and the Freedom Fighters, who want to oppose the FN by fighting against them. And that kind of ambiguity to me has a lot of potential for very interesting storytelling.

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    • EDIT: TLoK Book 2 spirits are nothing like Spirited Away. In most Miyazaki's tales, spirits are these outworldly beings whose desires and intentions are beyond human compehension. They're often misterious and treated with respect. AtLA despicted spirits in a more shintoist way. Korra kind of killed it, transforming these beings into... pokemons, or something.

      Spirited Away was about a bath house. Hardly "otherworldly" (if anything, Book 2 fits that description more) & very reminiscent of the gathering at Aye-Aye's oasis. There is a spirit rather explicitly modeled after No Face, & another similar to the walking puffballs in Spirited Away. Spirited Away has a pig-man, Book 2 has Aye-Aye. Book 2 has a Carrot-Man, Spirited Away has a raddish-man. "Nothing like it" my left foot.

      I've also posted before about how the light/dark spirits actually strengthen the Shinto connection.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: You know, you're right - that is a good story idea. And what's really cool is that it could work for something that would take place during Korra's lifetime for example, or with the Avatar after her. The latter would be particularly intriguing because he would probably be either born in the URN or the Earth Kingdom, meaning there's the possibility of a cultural bias due to his heritage as well.

      Torresp wrote:
      Doesn't have to be at the beginning of the war, could also be in the middle of Azulon's reign. There'd still be friction there as well. There, you'd have people who remember a time when life was better before the Fire Nation took over their province. Even during Azulon's reign was the Fire Nation still at the stage of securing its grip on the continent.

      Probably true as well. After all, Azulon himself reigned for seventy-five years, from AG 20 to when he was murdered in AG 95. That is a long time, although the more time passes, the more the cultural situation in the oldest colonies will change, so I do think earlier rather than later would be best. BUT at the same time, something I hadn't thought of is that taking the advantage of an older colony say, during the middle of Azulon's reign around say, AG 40 to 75 or so, you're going to have a more interesting situation for the story because that process of integration is gradually taking place, meaning that on the one hand you could have people who are accepting of and finding ways to benefit from the change in their situation vis-a-vis the Fire Nation occupation, and on the other hand you have people who are going to have a more overtly anti-FN viewpoint akin to, say, Jet and the Freedom Fighters, who want to oppose the FN by fighting against them. And that kind of ambiguity to me has a lot of potential for very interesting storytelling.

      Still, I don't think people who accepted Fire Nation occupation would have done quite as easily. To make things interesting, why not introduce Quisling-type characters who are Earth Kingdom natives, and run basic Fire Nation operations in their province. Basically, they attempt to use the Fire Nation occupation to improve the lives of others, and believe the Fire Nation is bringing law and order to the Earth Kingdom, yet have no idea what real core of the FN is like. It adds an air of ambiguity, as well as creating Fire Nation officials who are portrayed far more sympathetically than other high-ranking officials were.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      EDIT: TLoK Book 2 spirits are nothing like Spirited Away. In most Miyazaki's tales, spirits are these outworldly beings whose desires and intentions are beyond human compehension. They're often misterious and treated with respect. AtLA despicted spirits in a more shintoist way. Korra kind of killed it, transforming these beings into... pokemons, or something.
      Spirited Away was about a bath house. Hardly "otherworldly" (if anything, Book 2 fits that description more) & very reminiscent of the gathering at Aye-Aye's oasis. There is a spirit rather explicitly modeled after No Face, & another similar to the walking puffballs in Spirited Away. Spirited Away has a pig-man, Book 2 has Aye-Aye. Book 2 has a Carrot-Man, Spirited Away has a raddish-man. "Nothing like it" my left foot.

      I've also posted before about how the light/dark spirits actually strengthen the Shinto connection.

      I'm starting a new thread over this, so we don't get off-topic.

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    • Implord wrote:
      That one's actually nice.

      You mean my idea, right?

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      Implord wrote:
      That one's actually nice.
      You mean my idea, right?


      No, I meant the giant burning unicorn in my garden.

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    • Implord wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      Implord wrote:
      That one's actually nice.
      You mean my idea, right?

      No, I meant the giant burning unicorn in my garden.

      Sorry for mistook it.

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      Implord wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      Implord wrote:
      That one's actually nice.
      You mean my idea, right?

      No, I meant the giant burning unicorn in my garden.
      Sorry for mistook it.

      Happens to the best of us.

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    • Bersarker wrote:

      A story about an insane airbender that forming a group of people who wanted to take revenge on Fire Nation for

      what did they had done during the Hundred Years War would be good. An a new Avatar must stop him before

      they will succeed their primary target, the Fire Lord.

      I've came up with an incredibly powerful airbender that joins a semi-archaic organization just to destroy the Fire Nation take his revenge. 

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    • Avatar Chi wrote:

      Bersarker wrote:

      A story about an insane airbender that forming a group of people who wanted to take revenge on Fire Nation for

      what did they had done during the Hundred Years War would be good. An a new Avatar must stop him before

      they will succeed their primary target, the Fire Lord.

      I've came up with an incredibly powerful airbender that joins a semi-archaic organization just to destroy the Fire Nation take his revenge. 

      If you like my idea, then thank you.

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    • Yes I like it, but I'm implying that I have come up with this character when Zaheer was first introduced. The idea of a plot like that wasn't just yours, or mine.

      Bersarker wrote: If you like my idea, then thank you.

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    • They had the idea of an airbender antagonist before Zaheer was a character concept proper.  But they had to wait until they could contrive a good excuse for airbenders to no longer be a tiny remnant descended from the sole survivor of a genocide.  (Not that I haven't seen a crack fanon about Zaheer being Bumi's bastard son, or anything...)

      That said, the weeablew can't be the only utter jerkbender of an air n00b out there.  Give it five years, and there will be a Raging Gale Triad or something.

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    • I'm sure Zaheer wasn't the only one either (btw, "weeablew" seriously made me ROFL). But he was clearly the most dangerous one, since even before that when he was a Badass Normal he was dangerous enough to be incarcerated in a specially-designed prison in the middle of nowhere and under close direct guard by the White Lotus. Mind you, a true airbending master soundly kicked his ass, which was fun to watch.

      But yeah, eventually someone'll come along who got airbending as a result of HC and be a total jerk about it...and if it's within a decade, they'll run afoul of Korra, which should be fun to see :P

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:
      They had the idea of an airbender antagonist before Zaheer was a character concept proper.  But they had to wait until they could contrive a good excuse for airbenders to no longer be a tiny remnant descended from the sole survivor of a genocide.  (Not that I haven't seen a crack fanon about Zaheer being Bumi's bastard son, or anything...)

      That said, the weeablew can't be the only utter jerkbender of an air n00b out there.  Give it five years, and there will be a Raging Gale Triad or something.

      Raging Gale Triad sounds more cute than threatening.

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    • Yeah, like that. But then again come one, how threatening do the other bending triads sound name-wise? Not very, IMO, so it'd be par for the course.

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    • The "Triad"-part ruins it, I think. I'd name my triad "The Smiling Ones".

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: I'm sure Zaheer wasn't the only one either (btw, "weeablew" seriously made me ROFL). But he was clearly the most dangerous one, since even before that when he was a Badass Normal he was dangerous enough to be incarcerated in a specially-designed prison in the middle of nowhere and under close direct guard by the White Lotus. Mind you, a true airbending master soundly kicked his ass, which was fun to watch.

      But yeah, eventually someone'll come along who got airbending as a result of HC and be a total jerk about it...and if it's within a decade, they'll run afoul of Korra, which should be fun to see :P

      Yeah...when a fairly pacifistic spiritual leader and family man pretty much mops the roof with a guy probably a decade younger and twenty times more ruthless, there's no way that's not going to be both entertaining and emotionally satisfying.

      And I'd argue that "Raging Gale" and "Triple Threat" both fall into about the same "thought up in someone's edgelord phase" category.

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    • It's always fun to watch Tenzin get serious...er, & the fact that he was against some young whippersnapper of an airbender made it even better.

      'Course, if they had a rematch, it might not end the same way.

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    • Untethered airbenders are overpowered.

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    • The cutest thing sometimes are the most dangerous thing. Nice thought.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:
      Untethered airbenders are overpowered.


      Only because the other benders hold back. Water penders could simply create tendrils from your blood, impaling you from inside. And imagine earth benders to bend dust, which gets inside your body and... Well...

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    • Almost ALL benders in the franchise are shown holding back to some extent or another, with very few exceptions. Any bender, of any discipline, could kill their opponent. 

      That a firebender could kill an opponent, of course, goes without saying. The lethal potential of lavabending doesn't really need to be explained either. As for waterbenders...yeah, there's bloodbending, but a skilled waterbender doesn't need bloodbending to kill either. Immobilize the opponent (like with ice or something) and then...drowning is a very unpleasant way to go...Airbending, as we've seen, can be deadly, and the same goes for Earth/metal bending.

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    • Actually I have my own idea for the third Avatar series.

      Avatar: The Spirit Lord (Outline) Description

       Taking place 150 years after the events of “The Last Airbender” The Spirit Lord tells the tale of the newest avatar, a young fire bender and high school student from the Fire Nation named Kaito. However what sets him apart from previous avatars is that he is the descendant of Prince Zuko. (Though he doesn’t know it yet.) Because right after he was born his mother had to make his birth a secret and go into hiding with his sister, so Kaito won’t be exploited by the government and have a normal childhood. The two year long story revolves around him trying to adjust to his new life as the avatar and trying to stop an up and coming war, where there is no wrong or right side. With the help of his beloved pet (hybrid of an artic fox and a border collie.) Named Ami. Also with his four friends, Dache a cocky and image obsessed young airbender, Ryo a snarky and cynical non-bender who’s been friends with Kaito since childhood, Nianzu an earthbender who is usually disconnected with the world, and his older sister Kanako who is a waterbending prodigy as well as mastering blood bending. She’s cold and calculating and has no problem doing whatever it takes (even killing) to achiever her meaning of the “greater good.” One could compare her to Princess Azula of The Last Airbender though there are huge differences between the two. Kanako would never support a tyrannical rule she could be seen as an anarchist. 
       The world these characters live in one is one drenched in fear and paranoia, 16 years prior to the events of the main story terrible terrorist attack claimed many lives including Avatar Xing, Kaito’s previous life. The ones behind the attack was a charismatic and chaos seeking young firebender and his gang of bloodbenders. The main populace has gained a much greater fear of bloodbending than before and resulted in a slight prejudice against waterbenders. The world of the Spirit Lord takes place in a in a much more modern world compared to the previous series. Dispensing with the steampunk elements, and going for more cyberpunk influenced technology, and will take many elements from very different decades. Like the 2010s and the late 1960s/early 70s. However despite taking place in a much more current environment, The Spirit Lord still keeps the series eastern influences intact and integrate them with the more contemporary setting. Like modern takes on Chinese and Japanese legends, or having the armor of soldiers look like a modern/futuristic take on samurai or ancient Chinese armor instead of what soldiers where in real life.  Each of the series iconic nations will match their respective inspirations in the modern day. Such as the Earth Kingdom resembling modern day China with its tendency for manufacturing cheap goods, or The Fire Nation resembling modern day Japan, with its well-known animation scene and the people of the Fire Nation in Kaito’s time don’t really like to dwell on their imperialist past. For example when Kaito found about his royal heritage he was more shocked about being related to people like Ozai or Sozin instead of being excited for being related to Iroh or Prince Zuko.  The United Republic being the U.S. with its great wealth yet horrible economic equality, and mass incarnation rates.  The martial arts aspects of the series is also expanded upon. Each character has their own unique move set instead of the usual formations found in previous series, and in order to use these moves to master the elements one must learn the characters must learn the real philosophies and uses of these martial arts.
      
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    • Now here's the outline for the new Team Avatar. Characters Kaito Shirogane- (age 16-18) The main protagonist of the story he hails from the fire nation. Kaito is a quiet and shy young man who gets nervous real easily and lacks self-confidence. He is usually the last one to enter a fight though when people are in trouble and there is no other option he is more than willing to jump in there himself. Before he found out that he was the avatar Kaito wanted to become a manga artist, but since he is the avatar he won’t have much time to work on his dream, he feels like he is being forced into being the avatar. The story focuses on him trying to bring a peaceful end to a coming all while trying to adjust to his life as avatar while becoming more and more alienated with a world he is supposed to protect all while always questioning his position as the avatar. Like his ancestor Prince Zuko Kaito is always trying to come to terms with his morality, but unlike Zuko there are much stronger shades of grey making the audience confused just as he is. Compared to the series’ previous protagonists he lived somewhat a normal life before he found about being the avatar. Of course since Kaito’s mother had to keep him away from the government and his true heritage, so he won’t be exploited and have a normal childhood ,so they settled to raise him in a working class neighborhood. His family didn’t have a lot of money, and Kaito always thought that his father was a failed fisherman who left the family when his mother pregnant with him.

        Unlike Aang or Korra Kaito did not live a sheltered childhood, and compared to previous avatars he is a lot more cynical of politicians and rulers and it’s not because he’s some rebellious punk but he has experienced the flaws of the “system,” such as the corruption and brutality of police, and the lies and empty promises of politicians When his journey as the avatar started Kaito lacked both the spiritual and physical aspects to being the avatar. He didn’t even master one element, and struggled with fire his birth element. 
        Kaito is not very strong so what he lacks in brute strength he makes up for in speed and precision. Such as relying on agility and precise footwork and striking, rather than making large powerful attacks. He also mixes swordplay with his bending by his time a new sub bending style for fire emerged called “plasmabending” where fire benders use lightsaber like weapons which are real swords modded with technology, where they use their bending to control the plasma to make it be sustainable as a blade and utilize stronger ranged attacks. Kaito’s sword is based on the Japanese odachi which is a longer version of the katana. His blade is named “The Muramasa Zantoichi Odachi.” Kaito’s swordplay move set for is based on Kenjutsu the Japanese marital art of swordplay, and Iaijutsu which is counter-attack art based on sword drawing.  When he is not wielding his sword Kaito uses a different style of hand bending techniques. Instead of drawing upon traditional Kung-Fu his move set is based on hybrid martial arts as Jeet Kune Do (the style of the man himself Bruce Lee.), and Ninjutsu, as well as more contemporary forms of martial arts such as Taido. 
      

      Avatar Xing-(27 at death) - Kaito’s previous life and the avatar after Korra. An avatar who’s life sadly was cut short. Kaito would frequently flash back to her memories, and learning about her journey also while trying to find out do they mean to him. She had to stop a mysterious firebender from starting a terrorist attack from a mysterious firebender named Hikari. One thing that made Xing different from previous avatars is that her accomplishments were at a much smaller scale, by helping others help themselves. Where Korra tried to prove the avatar was still needed Xing actually believed that the world no longer needing the avatar was a good thing. Which shows the world no longer needs some “magical protector” to watch over things. To her it was a sign of progression. While some at the White Lotus disagreed with that of course and tried to push her to be more active. Xing’s story revolves around her proving herself as a worthy avatar, and finding her own place. In book 1 Kaito’s flashbacks to Xing’s journey connect to the conflict he is facing. Xing was trying to stop a horrible terrorist attack while Kaito is dealing with trying to find peace in a world that is still affected by it. Since the gap between the time Xing’s story ends and when Kaito’s begins isn’t that the big a lot of the people Xing dealt with including her team Avatar are still around and will affect Kaito’s story as well. Though in Book 2 she still has a role similar to avatar Roku as someone Kaito frequently asks for advice. Right before she died Xing did end up regaining connection to the previous avatars so their advice and memoires will be available for Kaito. Though Kaito prefers to use her advice since she came from a time not to different than his, he feels she understands what he is going through better. Xing combines different forms of bending particularly earth and water to bend plants. She has four different move sets for the elements. For earth bending she uses Xin Yi Liu He Quan which is considered to be one of the most powerful forms of Chinese martial arts, which focuses on short, fast, and powerful movements. For fire bending she uses Mizongyi which is characterized by intricate footwork and high leaps. Her move set for airbending is Pi Gua Quan which is based on circular motion, and for water bending she uses is based on Snake Kung Fu which adopts the fluidity of snakes. Kanako Shirogane- (age 25-27) She is Kaito’s older sister and at book one will also be one of the main protagonists. She is cold, calculating, and a highly skilled waterbender and a master at bloodbending. Kanako is a bit like Princess Azula as their both quite cunning and a bit sadistic. Though the two are quite different in many other aspects. First Kanako is a lot more rational, social, and sane compared to Azula. (she’s a lot less likely to suffer from a mental breakdown) Though the main thing that separates Kanako from Azula, is that Kanako had a very close relationship with her brother Kaito. Despite her homicidal tendencies Kanako does in fact have a compassionate side. Since the two were raised by a single mother that had to work, so Kanako had to pretty much raise Kaito. The small moments the two shares can range from quite heartwarming or very disturbing if you think about it enough.

        Before the events of the story Kanako lived a very happy life with both her parents, but after the terrorist attacks, and the discovery of  bloodbenders being involved resulted in the Fire Nation government pressuring the soon to be Firelord (Kanako’s father) into passing a law that would treat waterbenders quite unfairly.  Even at 9 years old Kanako knew of the hysteria that resulted in the prejudice of her own kind. Making her feel betrayed and sadly that bitterness grew up with her well into her adulthood. Her real name was Akane, and her and Katio’s actual surname is Iwamatsu. (Named in honor after Uncle Iroh’s deceased original voice actor.) This developed into a disdain for the government and trying to fight for improvement. When she was 18 her family had some financial troubles so she met a young man named Takeru, who let her join his gang. Where she learned her bloodbending and helped the gang to defeat and steal from local Yakuzas so she could support her family. Her time in the gang Kanako ended up subscribing to a philosophy that people are violent by nature, and that change can only be achieved through force. She is the discipline of the group, and is the one who puts the team on track, though she is someone who has their own agenda.  Though by the end of book 1 after discovering how dangerous the avatar can be Kanako does end up questioning her own mentality. The move set Kanako utilizes for blood bending is based on Koppojutsu and Aiki-jūjutsu. Two forms of Japanese martial arts which focus on striking on certain parts of the body to either injure or subdue the enemy, as for straight up waterbending it’s a blend between Yoshukai and Isshin-ryu Karate, with elements of Aikido. 
      

      Dache Machida- (age 19-21) A talented yet narcissistic young airbender who rejects the monk lifestyle. Such as instead of shaving his head Dache has flowing long hair, eats meat, loves fighting, and has an irrational fear of air bison. If there is one culture that Dache truly identifies with it is Fire Nation culture, since he is Fire Nation himself and was born there. Which made him bit of a black sheep of a lot of air nomads, and even his own family. Not just for living the ways of the monk but embracing a culture from the country that slaughtered the original air nomads. Despite his talents, not a lot of people gave him credit, so he deepened on himself for support which resulted in his large ego. As time went by he ended up believing he was above everything. Which gave him a tendency to see something like combat as a game, and using it as an opportunity to show off, and not seeing how is actions can “affect” someone. Similar to the waterbenders air nomads who are of Fire Nation lineage tend to face prejudice from certain air nomads,(excluding Aang’s decedents) because they find it in bad taste that people who have descended from those who were responsible for the genocide of the original airbenders, and now have their abilities. He once lived in the Western Air Temple, but his parents sent him to an air nomad branch in the Fire Nation.

         Dache first met Kaito when he defended him and Ryo from bullies 4 years prior to the events of the story. For a living Dache teaches younger airbenders techniques, and ends up teaching Kaito airbending.  Dache is also quite the womanizer himself (to the point that’s implied he has some illegitimate children running around.) though he tries to let the women he’s with that he’s interested in only “fun.” Dache is also very infatuated with Kanako because of her beauty, and belief that since they’re both talented benders they’re made for each other, though Kanako has no interest in him and would openly mock him to his face. He is also the most charismatic of Kaito’s friends, so the others including Kaito tend to listen to him more. Despite his vanity Dache does have positive qualities; he does genuinely care about his friends and is a very good teacher. He is also a very empathetic person when he fought for the rights for waterbenders because he relates to them because he has experienced similar discrimination, and not to impress Kanako. Since Dache does not identify with traditional air nomad culture he does not utilize the traditional Baguazhang, but instead using firebending techniques and stances for his air bending. His main style is based on Ninjutsu, he also uses ninja free running instead of gliding with a wingsuit to move around. For his more offensive attacks he uses Goju-Ryu Karate which combines hard hitting closed hand techniques with light circular movements.. Dache also integrates Nitōjutsu (Japanese martial art of dual swordsmanship) into his bending, instead of a staff he uses dual katanas which he names Hattori and Hayabusa. 
      

      Ryo Nagano- (age 16-18) The cynical token non bender of the group. He primarily uses a gun that also turns into a sword. He also uses for the grappling gear the United Republic police have to perform Attack on Titan influenced attacks where he dual wields his guns/swords. Ryo is pretty much the brains of the group by being the one who’s in charge of tactics and also helps think of ways to help bring the war to an end. Though due to his hard childhood cynical view of the world he is a staunch pragmatic, and is willing to remove any obstacle to achieve, what needs to be done, and will always goes with the most effective rather than the most moral. Another thing Ryo contributes to the group is his snarky and sarcastic quips. He does somewhat fill the role of comic relief though his style of humor revolves around his wit rather than general goofiness, he’s also very blunt with how offensive they are to a specific person. Ryo never had the perfect life his family pretty much lived in poverty, his father who he is very close to was sent to jail, and his mother is too preoccupied with her “smoothies” rather than looking after him. Which a lot of kids at school made fun of him for. Due to the years of bullying he received for his social standing, he grew up to be quite insecure of himself, and a hatred for being alone. He tries to hide by pretending to not care about anything. (Though there are times in the story the mask does crack.) In Book 1 Ryo tries to learn about the spirits and other skills to try to justify his place in the team.

        He also has a big problem with the government whether it is with inequality or police and the justice system in general, it’s not clear his beliefs stem from a personal bias resulting from his childhood. Even though Ryo is the type of person who would insult you to your face if he ever caught you doing something he found stupid, but that doesn’t mean he’s well behaved himself. As he would normally cut classes, shoplift on occasions, and spray paint buildings. Kaito’s mother disliked Kaito’s friends because she thought they were a bad influence on him. Ryo pretty much became friends with Kaito because since they were the ones that got picked on a lot. In the beginning of the story he does discover that Kanako and Kaito’s mom always knew he was the Avatar, from overhearing them while on his way home. He feels conflicted whether to tell Kaito or not.
      

      Nianzu- age (23-25) When I originally wrote Nianzu the earthbender I had him be this complete idiot who tried to do the right thing, but was always out smarted by Dache and Ryo, but I feel that would make him too much like Bolin. Instead I characterized him as someone who is either detached from the world or very much in tune with it. He also has a laid back demeanor, and is the type of person, who juts floats through life, yet he does have some hidden depths to him and he can be surprisingly wise, and also has a love cactus juice. By Kaito’s time people have found a way to make roads and streets out of less natural materials, which earthbenders can’t bend, but countries like the Fire Nation or the Water Tribes have less of these materials since they have less earthbenders living there. This is the reason why Nianzu claims he moved from to the Fire Nation from the Earth Kingdom, though it is possible he is hiding something. He only knew Kaito for a year thanks to Dache so he is not as close to he compared to the others. Nianzu's earthbending is derived from Baji Quan which utilizes powerful punches, hip checks, and shoulder strikes. To perform powerful short ranged strikes, utilizing a charge step technique that moves from the waist to the limb through momentary acceleration, which allows him to use earthbending with his feet to move around to evade attacks and giving him some rhythm with his fighting. (Surprisingly he’s a really good dancer.)

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    • Is an idea like the alien settlers from the outer space had secretly established a for on a planet and

      the Avatar must make sure that the humans will know nothing about them? And for what reason,

      the settlers are really desperate and need a planet to live.

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    • I don't think there is much left to be explored in the Avatar series. There's always a possibility, but I'm not sure.

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    • LostKunai wrote:
      I don't think there is much left to be explored in the Avatar series. There's always a possibility, but I'm not sure.

      The Avatarverse is a unique, cherished world that people just can't help but want more, including me. LoK didn't need to be created, but because of the success of the franchise, it was created, and many plot points were introduced. Similarly, if Nick think the franchise will still be successful, they can make more series. I'm not saying it's confirmed to happen, it's just we need to keep our minds open and have hopes that a new series will be introduced;)

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    • Lil Tinymouse wrote:

      LostKunai wrote:
      I don't think there is much left to be explored in the Avatar series. There's always a possibility, but I'm not sure.

      The Avatarverse is a unique, cherished world that people just can't help but want more, including me. LoK didn't need to be created, but because of the success of the franchise, it was created, and many plot points were introduced. Similarly, if Nick think the franchise will still be successful, they can make more series. I'm not saying it's confirmed to happen, it's just we need to keep our minds open and have hopes that a new series will be introduced;)

      I'd happily enjoy seeing another series. I just can't think of a storyline that could be done.

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    • LostKunai wrote:

      Lil Tinymouse wrote:

      LostKunai wrote:
      I don't think there is much left to be explored in the Avatar series. There's always a possibility, but I'm not sure.
      The Avatarverse is a unique, cherished world that people just can't help but want more, including me. LoK didn't need to be created, but because of the success of the franchise, it was created, and many plot points were introduced. Similarly, if Nick think the franchise will still be successful, they can make more series. I'm not saying it's confirmed to happen, it's just we need to keep our minds open and have hopes that a new series will be introduced;)
      I'd happily enjoy seeing another series. I just can't think of a storyline that could be done.

      There are tons of possibilities, if you think about it. We could have a series about the energybenders the lion turtle was talking about that lived in the "era before the elements". We could have a story based on one of the Avatars that have lived in the past 10,000 years. We could have it about an Avatar after Korra. We could have it about this nonbender who doesn't feel adequate enough because all his friends are benders (okay that one was kind of cheesey, but I'm trying to prove a point here). It could be about a random bender dude who discovers a lost civilization. There are tons of possibilities, that's one of the great things about the Avatar World, it's not one dimensional, it tells the stories of all sorts of kinds of people, from the Avatar, to a crazy scientist who fell in love, and we need those types of stories, so like I said, just open your mind, and you'll find how big that Avatarverse truly is.

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    • We could have it about this nonbender who doesn't feel adequate enough because all his friends are benders

      That reminds me about--

      (okay that one was kind of cheesey, but I'm trying to prove a point here).

      Uh, nevermind. Yes, there is indeed a lot of untapped potential in the Avatarverse, & due to the diversity of the world, most likely always will be.

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    • The same holds true, of course, of any well-written fictional 'verse. The hardest part would be finding a story that maintains the spirit of its predecessors without feeling like a re-tread of the same material.

      But as long as it was good, I'd be happy to see more Avatar.

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    • Eventually I could see another series but I think it needs to be much more open than Korra. You shouldn't really need to watch the original two series to enjoy the third one. It should essentially introduce the world.

      Could almost do something that takes the best parts of the original two (the basic story of growing up and great side characters) to make a new series. 

      Granted, the series would need to have proper planning and writing. 

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      Eventually I could see another series but I think it needs to be much more open than Korra. You shouldn't really need to watch the original two series to enjoy the third one. It should essentially introduce the world.

      Could almost do something that takes the best parts of the original two (the basic story of growing up and great side characters) to make a new series. 

      Granted, the series would need to have proper planning and writing. 

      I'd still like one that has a nonbender as a main character, and his or her story involves learning to cope in a setting where people have powers, but he discovers he can still be a hero to uphold the values of truth and justice.  

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    • That'd be nice, too.

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    • Yeah, that could be an interesting story as well.

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    • Make him into a neurotic lesbian nurse & I can deliver unto ye.

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    • I'm trying to write a thing concerning Korra vs. corruption among the Fire Nation nobility.  Unfortunately, it's a far bigger and more ambitious writing project than I've tackled in a while, and threading things together is a task in its own right.

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    • I mean, I would like, for a change to have a story from a non-bender's point of view and still takes place while Korra is still Avatar, but now an adult. He is a creative, innovative thinker, but he's a nobody, picked on by people his age, wanting to be like the Avatar, but realizes he can never be. He only has one friend. The story begins like this--He's spent most of his life training, then the very moment comes and the world thinks Korra is dead. He and his friend realize it's time for them to step up and be heroes. They run into members of Korra's Team Avatar, who are initially dismissive of them at first, but over time, the youngsters prove very useful and clever. They help Team Avatar track down the bad guys. They later discover Korra is still alive and rescue her. After defeating the bad guys, Korra decides that the world will need more heroes and that Team Avatar needs to be expanded. Korra decides to welcome the two youngsters into Team Avatar, introduces them to new recruits and the recruits have Mako, Bolin, Asami, and occasionally Korra as mentors. Their missions in this series involve stopping Red Lotus cells, Triads, corrupt political groups, etc.

      I'd also like to feature a new antagonist who, unlike previous ones directly focuses on the Avatar as opposed to seeing the Avatar as a mere obstacle. This Antagonist thinks the only way to achieve balance is through Fear and iron-fisted leadership. He believes the Avatar has failed because there is still crime and conflict in the world, and lacked the spine to use fear. He has his own counterpart to Team Avatar and wants to create a world where crime and war are not tolerated. This villain still falls under the same category as the villains in Legend of Korra.

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      I mean, I would like, for a change to have a story from a non-bender's point of view and still takes place while Korra is still Avatar, but now an adult. He is a creative, innovative thinker, but he's a nobody, picked on by people his age, wanting to be like the Avatar, but realizes he can never be. He only has one friend. The story begins like this--He's spent most of his life training, then the very moment comes and the world thinks Korra is dead. He and his friend realize it's time for them to step up and be heroes. They run into members of Korra's Team Avatar, who are initially dismissive of them at first, but over time, the youngsters prove very useful and clever. They help Team Avatar track down the bad guys. They later discover Korra is still alive and rescue her. After defeating the bad guys, Korra decides that the world will need more heroes and that Team Avatar needs to be expanded. Korra decides to welcome the two youngsters into Team Avatar, introduces them to new recruits and the recruits have Mako, Bolin, Asami, and occasionally Korra as mentors. Their missions in this series involve stopping Red Lotus cells, Triads, corrupt political groups, etc.

      I'd also like to feature a new antagonist who, unlike previous ones directly focuses on the Avatar as opposed to seeing the Avatar as a mere obstacle. This Antagonist thinks the only way to achieve balance is through Fear and iron-fisted leadership. He believes the Avatar has failed because there is still crime and conflict in the world, and lacked the spine to use fear. He has his own counterpart to Team Avatar and wants to create a world where crime and war are not tolerated. This villain still falls under the same category as the villains in Legend of Korra.

                           *coughfanoncough*

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    • Torresp wrote:

      I'd also like to feature a new antagonist who, unlike previous ones directly focuses on the Avatar as opposed to seeing the Avatar as a mere obstacle. This Antagonist thinks the only way to achieve balance is through Fear and iron-fisted leadership. He believes the Avatar has failed because there is still crime and conflict in the world, and lacked the spine to use fear. He has his own counterpart to Team Avatar and wants to create a world where crime and war are not tolerated. This villain still falls under the same category as the villains in Legend of Korra.

      I really think another Avatar needs to have a good villain that is around for most of the series. Better yet, have an antagonistic character instead of a villain.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Torresp wrote:

      I'd also like to feature a new antagonist who, unlike previous ones directly focuses on the Avatar as opposed to seeing the Avatar as a mere obstacle. This Antagonist thinks the only way to achieve balance is through Fear and iron-fisted leadership. He believes the Avatar has failed because there is still crime and conflict in the world, and lacked the spine to use fear. He has his own counterpart to Team Avatar and wants to create a world where crime and war are not tolerated. This villain still falls under the same category as the villains in Legend of Korra.

      I really think another Avatar needs to have a good villain that is around for most of the series. Better yet, have an antagonistic character instead of a villain.

      Jupp. We don't want another "Villain of the Week".

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      Kubernes wrote:
      Torresp wrote:

      I'd also like to feature a new antagonist who, unlike previous ones directly focuses on the Avatar as opposed to seeing the Avatar as a mere obstacle. This Antagonist thinks the only way to achieve balance is through Fear and iron-fisted leadership. He believes the Avatar has failed because there is still crime and conflict in the world, and lacked the spine to use fear. He has his own counterpart to Team Avatar and wants to create a world where crime and war are not tolerated. This villain still falls under the same category as the villains in Legend of Korra.

      I really think another Avatar needs to have a good villain that is around for most of the series. Better yet, have an antagonistic character instead of a villain.

      Jupp. We don't want another "Villain of the Week".

      Korra doesn't do "Villain of The Week", it's more Arc Villain style. However, I fo believe there should be villains of the Week in addition to the main antagonist just to mix up the flavours. Heck some of these villains could be henchmen if the main antagonist.

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    • Torresp wrote:

      Implord wrote:

      Kubernes wrote:
      Torresp wrote:
      I'd also like to feature a new antagonist who, unlike previous ones directly focuses on the Avatar as opposed to seeing the Avatar as a mere obstacle. This Antagonist thinks the only way to achieve balance is through Fear and iron-fisted leadership. He believes the Avatar has failed because there is still crime and conflict in the world, and lacked the spine to use fear. He has his own counterpart to Team Avatar and wants to create a world where crime and war are not tolerated. This villain still falls under the same category as the villains in Legend of Korra.
      I really think another Avatar needs to have a good villain that is around for most of the series. Better yet, have an antagonistic character instead of a villain.
      Jupp. We don't want another "Villain of the Week".
      Korra doesn't do "Villain of The Week", it's more Arc Villain style. However, I fo believe there should be villains of the Week in addition to the main antagonist just to mix up the flavours. Heck some of these villains could be henchmen if the main antagonist.

      Well, if there were returning, entertaining villains, fine. But I don't like it, how the Korra-Books seem so concluded. Ozai was a thread when Aang was freed from the iceberg and he was still creepy when Aang faced him in the end. Zuko was there from the start and stayed around. And not like Team Rocket in Pokémon, who are screwing up in every single episode, no one actually saw Zuko as dangerous and he did not fight in every episode, he was just around. He overshadowed the arc villain in Book 1 and kicked his butt. And those other villains? Awesome. All of them. Except one...

      Now look at Korra. I mean, if one of the henchmen of an earlier arc villain became a big bad in a later book, or if there'd have been someone to be around and evil all the series. But no:

      Book 1: Amon. I mean, yeah, extremist leader, scary stuff. Imagine Amon showing up in Book 4, calling "Look at me, I'm baaaack!" What'd happen? Someone would answer "Yeah, so you are!" and he'd be incapacitated and locked up. Because in the end, he wasn't that strong. Or creepy. Or clever. The series was a drama queen in that arc.

      Book 2: Unalaq and Vaatu. So... Unalaq was evil. And compared to Amon, he was a political genius. And one could see where his ideas were coming from. He was powerfull, intelligent and generally an improvement to Amon. He is the perfect example for a villain who had not enough screen time. I mean, I get the idea, I see what kind of villain they wanted to create, but there wasn't enough time to make it work.

      And one thing I still don't get. You guys are smarter than me, I accept that, so enlighten me: Every single story about harmony and equality resolves by killing the big bad guy. Unavaatu was the darnkness to the Avatars light. How did the world not end after all the darkness was defeated and reduced to nothing. I mean, it's evil, but it's still half of yin and yang, so the balance was effed up for good, no chance restoring it and stuff, and the world did not go down. Following that logic, one could off Raava and nobody would actually notice or care? I don't quite get it. But I don't get why the spirits of light and darkness would look like giant flatworms, so yeah, if someone could explain why killing the bad guy to restore balance between good and bad is all fine, I'd pretend to be gratefull.

      Book 3: I cannot complain about the Red Lotus. I can complain, though, about killing them off in one single arc (again) and keeping only the least interesting one alive. As a matter of fact, I do complain about this right now. I mean, imagine the Korra series revolving about the Red Lotus for all of the 4 books. Feel free to object, but I'd loved it.

      By the way, you may feel free to object to this stetement, but you'd be wrong. Because I would have loved that series, and you wouldn't know otherwise.

      Book 4: F**k Kuvira. 'nuv said.

      No, seriously. How was Kuvira a good villain. What was going on inside the producers heads?

      "So, what villain should we use to conclude Avatar?"

      "Uh... how about a dictator with similarities to Nazi Germany, driven by idiotic ideas?"

      "You mean ´ideologic´."

      "No, sir."

      "Ah. I see. But didn't we do that already?... Twice?"

      "Well, three time's the charm."

      "Okay, let's say that's not a stupid idea: What kind of character would this dictator be? What kind of personality would he have?"

      "No personality. Only cold and rationaly stupidity."

      "... Okay, but we need something to make him special."

      "We could do a female."

      "We couldn't. We're nerds and... Oh, I mean... That wouldn't be special. We had female villains before. And we have female heroes. And not all of them were for fanservice... Well, before the internet happened, that is. We are, like, the one kids show the feminists don't hate."

      "Really? Gotta google that, later."

      "Also, I mean't, like, special powers. Azula had blue fire, because it was veeery hot. That explanation drove some scientist to suicide, I was told. We gave her lightnings, too. That assasin guy was a cyborg with the power to blow stuff up. Ozai had more fire and bigger lightinings. No blue fire, though, because it didn't fit his personality. Brighter fire, in some scenes, because we checked up what very hot fire actually looks like. However, we had chi blocking, we had transformation to giant purple evil giants. We had water limbs and magma that made no sense in the opinion of many viewers, we had the guy who can fly, which is something about airbending because of reasons. Zaheer actually killed more scientists than Azula did.... Okay, okay, my point is, what makes fighting this villain special."

      "Metal mending."

      "Lame."

      "Metal bending, nuclear bombs and a giant robot."

      "... Now we're talkin'."

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    • That, of course, is a matter of opinion. Though while Ozai was ultimately the Big Bad in ATLA, he was largely irrelevant until Book 3 - the primary villain of Book 1 was Zhao, the primary villain of Book 2 was Azula - so in that sense, you could say the same about ATLA as LoK. 

      The key difference, however, is that whereas in the case of ATLA each book was a portion of an overall narrative, the respective Books of LoK were a little more self-contained, even though from Book 2 onwards you had some continuity from one to the next, and 4 can be said to be a direct follow-up to 3. Was it better? Opinions vary. I think it was a different kind of story, and overall I was personally happy with it. 

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    • I wasn't.

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    • Why not ? If a 3rd new series (new in the sense of cast, story structure, and elements) is not possible them i would like to see a "continuation" from both ATLA and LOK.

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    • Book 1: Amon. I mean, yeah, extremist leader, scary stuff. Imagine Amon showing up in Book 4, calling "Look at me, I'm baaaack!" What'd happen? Someone would answer "Yeah, so you are!" and he'd be incapacitated and locked up. Because in the end, he wasn't that strong. Or creepy. Or clever. The series was a drama queen in that arc.

      ...What? Okay, I guess I can accept that creepiness is subjective, but how is it not clever to create a Catch-22 where the Council either closes the Pro-Bending Arena in fear of him or allows him to attack, either way demonstrating the power of his movement? Or to develop a fighting style based on chi blocking & ensnaring limbs for the purposes of fighting benders? Or to ally with the man who makes the police vehicles so he knows their weaknesses inside & out? And how is a guy who can bloodbend at any time, to the degree that he can use it to redirect attacks without people noticing & remove bending permanently, & can't seem to be stopped by anything short of the Avatar State "not strong"?

      Book 2: Unalaq and Vaatu. So... Unalaq was evil. And compared to Amon, he was a political genius. And one could see where his ideas were coming from. He was powerfull, intelligent and generally an improvement to Amon.

      Again, what? I don't dispute that he was intelligent & powerful in his own right, but more sympathetic & powerful than Amon? The only way he could put up a decent fight against Korra (who was not using the Avatar State during their 1st battle) was to become a Dark Avatar. And Amon had a very real point about benders abusing their powers, & nonbenders frequently being unable to catch up.

      And one thing I still don't get. You guys are smarter than me, I accept that, so enlighten me: Every single story about harmony and equality resolves by killing the big bad guy.

      I don't think I'm "smarter than you," just that your claims are very odd. Also, is this part a question?

      Unavaatu was the darnkness to the Avatars light. How did the world not end after all the darkness was defeated and reduced to nothing. I mean, it's evil, but it's still half of yin and yang, so the balance was effed up for good, no chance restoring it and stuff, and the world did not go down. Following that logic, one could off Raava and nobody would actually notice or care? I don't quite get it. But I don't get why the spirits of light and darkness would look like giant flatworms, so yeah, if someone could explain why killing the bad guy to restore balance between good and bad is all fine, I'd pretend to be gratefull.

      In general or in this case? In this case, Raava & Vaatu occupy a cycle in which every 10,000 years they battle symbolizing the struggle between order & chaos, blah blah blah, point is, purifying Vaatu just returned him to Raava the same way winning the duel at Harmonic Convergence would.

      In general, probably because convention has been that the villain needs to either be reformed or die for there to be closure, so it's hard to know how to write anything else.

      Ozai had more fire and bigger lightinings. No blue fire, though, because it didn't fit his personality. Brighter fire, in some scenes, because we checked up what very hot fire actually looks like

      I don't get what your beef with the fire is. That's a real thing. And I don't think it was even their idea. If memory serves, they did it because of Azula's personality, & after hearing the fan explanation for it, proverbially shrugged & went, "Yeah, that makes sense, let's go with that."

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    • Well, for one, I say for a third series, there can still be a main antagonist for each season, but done in a way where each season won't be self contained. Several episodes can feature an independent villain of the week, as well as a recurring villain who can be present more than one season. If the next season rolls around, the previous season's Big Bad can return, but having a plan limited to the episode they return in. You can also have few episodes in the next season related to a contingency plan left behind after the previous season villain's defeat. Instead of an overlaying narrative, you get a show where every episode is an adventure focused on defending the world from evil, as is the only common premise in each series. I'd also like a series where a season has around two story arcs, but with independent, self-contained episodes between each arc, before going into the next. That way, you have a transition between arcs. Legend of Korra practically did not offer breaks between story arcs. When they air the next book they go straight into the next arc.

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    • "Independent, self-contained episodes between each arc"? Am I mistaken, or does that sound somewhat suspiciously like "filler"? because that's what it sounds like to me. And frankly, (A) I don't think filler is necessary in 90% of cases, and (b) The "villain of the week" format stopped being entertaining to me sometime around when I hit puberty. 

      The "overlaying narrative" of ATLA and of each book of LoK IMO were part of what made the shows so much more engaging. Looking back at the last ten years, the vast majority of series I have seen that I truly enjoyed tended to have a longer, continuous narrative, and either shy away from/minimize the use of fully self-contained, "villain of the week" episodes, or else entirely dispense with the idea

      If you like that, that's your prerogative. But IMO, that would be taking a big step backwards from ATLA/LoK in terms of narrative potential. 

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    • Ozai had more fire and bigger lightinings. No blue fire, though, because it didn't fit his personality. Brighter fire, in some scenes, because we checked up what very hot fire actually looks like

      I don't get what your beef with the fire is. That's a real thing. And I don't think it was even their idea. If memory serves, they did it because of Azula's personality, & after hearing the fan explanation for it, proverbially shrugged & went, "Yeah, that makes sense, let's go with that."

      Because you don't get blue fire unless you add something else. I don't recall, but I remember that the blue flame in candles is because of something in the wax, parraffin, I think, causes another chemical reaction.

      However, considering the blue that Azulas' fire has... I'd guess she's burning antimony.

      The chemical element, not the girl from Gunnerkirgg Court.

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    • Extremely hot flames can be blue. But, having blue flames can also happen due to particular elements fueling the fire.

      I took it to imply that maybe her flames were more intense than most other firebenders'. Being a prodigy seems to corroborate this.

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    • The reason certain elements release flames in certain colors is because they can only release light in certain wavelengths. I'm not 100% on how this is related to temperature, but this is how they can tell both a star's composition & its approximate temperature.

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    • You're technically correct. The best kind of correct.

      The both of you. As far as I understand it, we percieve fire in different colours, the hotter it burns. As I said, you're not wrong.

      However, if I'm not misinformed, you don't get fire to be that hot unless you set the right substance on fire.


      Fire is basically an exellerated oxidation. The amount of energy, released due to the reaction, depends on the involved substances. I take it, that firebenders use their energy/chi to start the reaction. However, I don't think you can heat up fire like this...

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    • To the best of my recollection, firebending does indeed rely on the firebender's chi to start the combustion reaction/generate fire. Making firebending the only bending discipline that does not rely entirely on the element in question being present in usable quantities, since the individual firebender generates the fire on his/her own. 

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    • You're technically correct. The best kind of correct.

      Thank you, Bureaucrat Grade 1.0.

      However, if I'm not misinformed, you don't get fire to be that hot unless you set the right substance on fire.

      I think so, but I don't know, physics isn't really my "area." I know a lot of gas burners have flames with a bit of blue in them, but I don't know what gasses they use.

      At any rate, what I'd forgotten to point out was that we don't know if "fuel" is really a factor in firebending. Personally, I think there are 2 plausible explanations for firebending (aside from "it's chi"):

      1. The fire is made by drawing heat energy to a specific point & igniting free radicals in the atmosphere.

      2. The fire is made by ionizing gasses, & thus is more akin to a plasma.

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    • Well, I always had a F in physics.

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    • I didn't have time to read all of this, but I just had to ask:

      "If there's a third Avatar series, that would mean Korra's dead, right?"

      Or at least that means she's gonna have to die?

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    • Not necessarily. Granted, in her continuity, she probably will eventually (like Aang did) whether or not it is shown.

      Why I say, "not necessarily", is because we could have a story following an Avatar before Korra, it could follow a non Avatar character (so, it could be before or concurrent with Korra), or something along those lines.

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    • I would seriously sell my soul to the devil for a 3d series of Avatar, and it would be so awesome if they would just continue from where they finished in Korra. 

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    • Korra's death would be one of my favourite partes about a 3rd installment.

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    • Beyoma wrote:
      I would seriously sell my soul to the devil for a 3d series of Avatar, and it would be so awesome if they would just continue from where they finished in Korra. 

      It's not another animated series, but that is precisely what the upcoming LoK comics are going to do - I've read they pick up right where Book 4 left off, starting after Korra and Asami return from their vacation IIRC.

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    • I think there should be another avatar series and it will be the story of avatar kyoshi becuase after water like korra was comes earth but it will just be in the past. I think a lot of people will really enjoy that. I love avatar so much and I have a big collection of avatar. Some people think its dumb but to me its awesome and very inspiratinal with love and strength. sometimes it even makes me cry.

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    • Poor you.

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    • I hope that the 3rd Avatar series will be like... Age of Discovery.

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    • If there were to be another series, I'd like the protagonist, avatar or not, to be like Korra, but without the emotional instability or the angst. Basically a character with the attitude of a freestyle, laid-back cowboy, anti-heroic, trigger happy and whatnot. And I think he should be voiced by Will Freidle. He voices a lot of characters with the personality I described. Heck, I think they should've casted Will Freidle as Commander Bumi because his personality is in line with the kinds of characters Freidle has portrayed (I.e. Star-lord, Deadpool, Eric Matthews, Ron Stoppable, Terry McGinnis, etc).

      Though I'd prefer a non-avatar character so that Korra can still be used, and have her and Team Avatar serve as mentors.

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    • I'd like TLOK series to continue(I know, I know we're getting the comics). Comics are okay, but not the same as the animated gold obviously. 

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    • Beyoma wrote:
      I'd like TLOK series to continue(I know, I know we're getting the comics). Comics are okay, but not the same as the animated gold obviously. 

      I'd actually rather have the ATLA comics animated before more Korra. Obviously animations are better than comics, but any continuation is nice to have.

      Back on the villain. Someone who could actually grow or evolve over the series would be welcome. I'd even agree to have having an establishing villain (like Zhao) then switching to another, primary villain later on (much like Azula).

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    • I love that option too! Seeing Azula bending her beautiful blue fire again...I can never get enough of that! 

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    • Beyoma wrote:
      I love that option too! Seeing Azula bending her beautiful blue fire again...I can never get enough of that! 

      I also love to see more blue fire bending. It looks so... fascinating!

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    • Who knows hat Azula did after biding her goodbyes... I mean, how about it? A descendant of Azula tries to reclaim the throne that is rightfully hers? Because Azula might have been mad, but she was anounced the new firelord by her father and technically did not lose the one on one against Zuko...

      Also, I want humans and spirits to breed.

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    • She was never actually crowned, and looks like the crown was a big deal in the Fire nation. She also broke the rules of the Agni Kai with Zuko, so she technically didn't win. But I agree with the idea of her child or even grandchild coming back for the throne. Actually, I just want to see more of Azula :I

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    • Did the creators had ever told about why Azula is the only one who use blue fire?

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    • I'm not entirely sure. I think they did mention something about it at some point about it being a means to distinguish Azula as particularly accomplished, as well as to distinguish her attacks visually from, for instance, Zuko. Also, it's a pun - her name, "Azula", appears to be derived from azul, which means "blue"

      Why no other firebender than Azula is ever shown actually doing so, however, I don't know.

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    • I think because it fits her personality.

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    • Some say the blue flames are more powerful than the ordinary fire(that's why it appeared like she could create more fire and jet herself through the air with ease)...But I also think, the creators just wanted to create a contrast+it fits her personality perfectly. The blue fire is one of the best things added in the cartoon...but I always thought they could give some special colored fire to Ozai too.

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    • Beyoma wrote:
      Some say the blue flames are more powerful than the ordinary fire(that's why it appeared like she could create more fire and jet herself through the air with ease)...But I also think, the creators just wanted to create a contrast+it fits her personality perfectly. The blue fire is one of the best things added in the cartoon...but I always thought they could give some special colored fire to Ozai too.

      I agree with blue fire is more powerful than ordinary fire. And also more beautiful!

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    • The blue fire does make Azula really stand out amoung the other firebenders, but I'd like to see her lightning bending some more as well. Not to mention more of the crazy Azula.

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    • I want green fire.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      The blue fire does make Azula really stand out amoung the other firebenders, but I'd like to see her lightning bending some more as well. Not to mention more of the crazy Azula.

      Yes, I really wanted to see some more lightning and crazy Azula! 

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    • Implord wrote:
      I want green fire.

      I really wish Ozai's fire was green or white! 

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    • Beyoma wrote:
      Implord wrote:
      I want green fire.
      I really wish Ozai's fire was green or white! 

      YASSSS. If Ozai's fire was white, that would have been epic. I feel like it would really fit him and it would have made the finale more dramatic imo.

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    • Why does white, specifically, fit him?

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    • It's the brightest colour!

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Why does white, specifically, fit him?

      White because, imagine he had like, purple flames? Purple is considered as a dark color, the color of villains(most of the time), so why not go with the oposite? Even tho, I'm not sure how good would it look in the cartoon, the white fire. Imagine the white flames? They would look somehow royal, fitting for the Firelord.

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    • Interestingly, IIRC in our history blue and purple are more traditionally associated with Old World royalty - purple especially. Unless I'm mistaken, those dyes were so exorbitantly expensive to manufacture in the Middle Ages(and even farther back in history) that only royalty or the very wealthiest merchants or nobles could afford them, which is why it is a much more common color in depictions of royalty than most anything else; in fact, I seem to recall in England at some point anyone outside of the royal family was strictly forbidden from wearing purple. 

      So as a color intended to depict royal status, purple would be appropriate - with the added bonus of its association with villains in many instances providing that extra bit of emphasis on "This guy is an evil ruler".

      Now that I think of it, purple seems to be an uncommon color even in the Avatarverse; the only example I can think of offhand is that King Bumi wore purple at one point in ATLA - and, of course, the purple pentapus :P

      Though yes, white flames would probably look pretty awesome too.

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    • Ze colour of the sun!

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      Interestingly, IIRC in our history blue and purple are more traditionally associated with Old World royalty - purple especially. Unless I'm mistaken, those dyes were so exorbitantly expensive to manufacture in the Middle Ages(and even farther back in history) that only royalty or the very wealthiest merchants or nobles could afford them, which is why it is a much more common color in depictions of royalty than most anything else; in fact, I seem to recall in England at some point anyone outside of the royal family was strictly forbidden from wearing purple. 

      So as a color intended to depict royal status, purple would be appropriate - with the added bonus of its association with villains in many instances providing that extra bit of emphasis on "This guy is an evil ruler".

      Now that I think of it, purple seems to be an uncommon color even in the Avatarverse; the only example I can think of offhand is that King Bumi wore purple at one point in ATLA - and, of course, the purple pentapus :P

      Though yes, white flames would probably look pretty awesome too.

      Now when I better think about it, purple wouldn't be that bad! Actually, it would look much better, even tho, not sure if you have noticed, when Azula shoots her blue flames, it kinda fades from blue in some kind of purple-ish and then it goes to normal orange fire. I've seen that several of time in the ATLA. Also, there was purple fire when Aaang and Zuko visited the Temple of the Sun(not sure if it's the correct name) and when those two dragons made the fire tornado that contained green, red, orange, pale yellow and purple colors(interesting, no blue flames)around Aang and Zuko. 

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Why does white, specifically, fit him?

      Well, it's the hottest fire right? And he's the big bad of the series, the one that's trying to create the world in his own image, right? So I think that if he had white (the hottest) flames, it would've made everything more intense. There could've been a scene where Aang saw his white flames and then Ozai explained that they were the hottest and how with his flames he could defeat Aang singlehandedly or something like that, I'm not very good at scripting lol. Another thing is that it kinda fits his personality in a way. He knows what he's doing, he wants to take over the world, his heart is set on doing something and he doesn't question it at all. In the same way, white is pure and doesn't have any impurities (other colors), so white flames for Ozai can also show how dedicated (I don't know if that's the correct word) to his goal, if you get what I mean.

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    • By the way, how come there's no one to found the Avatar series? Not even one company? nothing?! What's with the Anime production companies/houses? Could they do it? And no one still has answered my the question, what does it cost to create full 3-4 seasons of Avatar? Or what would be the price of even one episode? I know it takes motnhs to create an episode. I have so many questions but no answers! T---T 

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    • Beyoma wrote:
      By the way, how come there's no one to found the Avatar series? Not even one company? nothing?! What's with the Anime production companies/houses? Could they do it? And no one still has answered my the question, what does it cost to create full 3-4 seasons of Avatar? Or what would be the price of even one episode? I know it takes motnhs to create an episode. I have so many questions but no answers! T---T 

      I don't really know much about show and movie making but I think Nickelodeon owns the rights to Avatar and therefore only they can create more Avatar series, unless they sell the rights to someone else, I think. Again, don't really know much so don't quote me on this.

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    • Yeah, Nickelodeon is owning the series which is so sad, they are threating it so badly! Some are saying that, if Netflix owned Avatar, it would all be so much better and I agree with that. The creators wouldn't have so many limits, and probably no budget cutting. Nickeloden was literally torturing them! They should just sell it already if they don't know how to handle the show. 

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    • All other things being equal, blue should be hotter. And, I'm tired of talking about color and temperature of fire, so, I'll lazily link an explanation.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      All other things being equal, blue should be hotter. And, I'm tired of talking about color and temperature of fire, so, I'll lazily link an explanation.

      Oh haha. I never knew that, I always assumed white fire was hotter, I don't really know why, but that's weird, somewhere I heard that white was hotter, but it turns out blue is hotter. Well, I still have that other reason Ozai should have white fire, so it still works I guess. I don't know why but white fire always seemed so Ozai-like :/

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    • Beyoma wrote:
      Yeah, Nickelodeon is owning the series which is so sad, they are threating it so badly! Some are saying that, if Netflix owned Avatar, it would all be so much better and I agree with that. The creators wouldn't have so many limits, and probably no budget cutting. Nickeloden was literally torturing them! They should just sell it already if they don't know how to handle the show. 

      Could be worde. Imagine a 4kids Avatar.

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    • Implord wrote:
      Beyoma wrote:
      Yeah, Nickelodeon is owning the series which is so sad, they are threating it so badly! Some are saying that, if Netflix owned Avatar, it would all be so much better and I agree with that. The creators wouldn't have so many limits, and probably no budget cutting. Nickeloden was literally torturing them! They should just sell it already if they don't know how to handle the show. 
      Could be worde. Imagine a 4kids Avatar.

      You wanted 4Kids Company to buy and recreate the Avatar franchise?

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    • Yeah, a 4Kids Avatar would probably be worse even than anything M. Night Shyamalan could come up with.

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    • There's also the "pure is not good" and "light is not good" tropes, and the color white being associated with death in China (seeing as the Avatarverse has a lot of Chinese influences).

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    • Deist Zealot wrote: There's also the "pure is not good" and "light is not good" tropes, and the color white being associated with death in China (seeing as the Avatarverse has a lot of Chinese influences).

      What are we talking about?

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Deist Zealot wrote: There's also the "pure is not good" and "light is not good" tropes, and the color white being associated with death in China (seeing as the Avatarverse has a lot of Chinese influences).

      What are we talking about?

      Villains with white fire.

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    • Oh. Honestly, I don't think Ozai would benefit from Fruity Pebbles Fire. I was excited when the series ran initially because I thought he would have blue as well, but after seeing the finale, I don't think anything other than red-orange would've worked as well.

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    • Fruity Pebbles...that made me LOL.

      Truth is, fire in funky colors does seem a little superfluous IMO. It's one of those cosmetic details that might've been kinda cool, but aren't strictly speaking necessary. I agree that the regular red/orange worked fine. 

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    • It wasn't mine.

      The rarity of colored fire can, at times, be a frustrating limitation. There are several things that would be neat to see, but we can't, because apparently colored firebending is a rare skill.

      It would be useful for firebenders in sports, or entertainment, or for signals, but nope.

      That said, some things are best in moderation. Ozai using blue firebending to show his power would be a neat idea, but trying to picture the finale using blue instead of orangish red, it just doesn't come across the same way. Ozai's fire sort of blended into the flaming sky, & you could almost feel it getting hotter. By contrast, even though I know intellectually that blue fire is hotter, when I saw Azula in the Fire Lord's chamber with all of that blue light, it felt more cold & creepy than hot & aggressive.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It wasn't mine.

      The rarity of colored fire can, at times, be a frustrating limitation. There are several things that would be neat to see, but we can't, because apparently colored firebending is a rare skill.

      It would be useful for firebenders in sports, or entertainment, or for signals, but nope.

      That said, some things are best in moderation. Ozai using blue firebending to show his power would be a neat idea, but trying to picture the finale using blue instead of orangish red, it just doesn't come across the same way. Ozai's fire sort of blended into the flaming sky, & you could almost feel it getting hotter. By contrast, even though I know intellectually that blue fire is hotter, when I saw Azula in the Fire Lord's chamber with all of that blue light, it felt more cold & creepy than hot & aggressive.

      I think that was done on purpose to contrast the fights between Aang vs Ozai and Zuko and Katara vs Azula. However, I still think it would be best to have Ozai having white fire, showing how he's unique (for lack of better word) and is a force to be reckoned with, even though that's already known, it would make it more dramatic I think. It would also make colored fire run in the family, showing how strong the Fire Nation royalty is. Zuko having rainbow fire, Azula having blue fire, and Ozai having white fire. This is just my opinion however, and you can disagree however you'd like.

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    • It remains to be seen if Zuko actually has rainbow fire. If he does, well he learned it from the dragons.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It remains to be seen if Zuko actually has rainbow fire. If he does, well he learned it from the dragons.

      Didn't he do it in Smoke and Shadow though?

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    • Yes, he did. It was awesome.

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    • Lil Tinymouse wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It remains to be seen if Zuko actually has rainbow fire. If he does, well he learned it from the dragons.

      Didn't he do it in Smoke and Shadow though?

      There was a callback, but that doesn't mean he can do it on cue.

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    • Good point. He was IIRC especially...irritated at that point, given that he, his mother, and his half-sister (among others) had just been directly threatened by the New Ozai Society attacking their convoy. And it is the only instance he has been shown to do it so far. 

      Whether or not he incorporates this ability in his ordinary firebending or if he does it again at this point still remains to be seen. He does have the ability to do it though.

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    • Not necessarily, the scene is vague enough that it could be some kind of lighting effect. If he does it multiple once or twice more, I'll be more confident that they're actually making that a canon skill of his.

      I hope