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  • General rumors, photos, professionally-intended leaks, discussion, occasional arguments, and that sort of lovely nonsense for Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra and the franchise as a whole.

    Well Korra comics have been confirmed as of today, remember that the avatar legacy panel is still tomorrow and Smoke and Shadow will be coming soon.

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    • When DOES "Smoke & Shadow" come out, anyway?

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    • First one September 23, 2015, second one December 16, 2015, according to out currently listed sources.

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    • September 23. You know that you could check the page for this information. :)

      EDIT: It appears that two others posted at the same time as me. D'oh!

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    • Guys! Guys! Guys!

      http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/123740964897/the-legend-of-korra-will-continue-as-comics

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Supermensch wrote: Guys! Guys! Guys!

      http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/123740964897/the-legend-of-korra-will-continue-as-comics

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      MY WORDS EXACTLY!

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    • YES!!!! KORRA COMICS!!!!!!!!!

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    • So it sounds like it's picking up right after they walk into the portal?

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    • We don't know yet. It's said there won't be big time jumps. The first three installments will focus on the development of Korrasami and the aftermatch of the finale. And they also explained at CC why they couldn't/didn't take Sokka in in The Legend of Korra; his story didn't align with what they had planned. The first Korracomic is going to come out soon according to Michael. Stay tuned!

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    • soon means a very long time to the fans. also can you imagine Disney bought the Avatar Series?

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      So it sounds like it's picking up right after they walk into the portal?

      Actually it seems like it will be picking up when they get back from their vacation.

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    • Hanabi-chan wrote:

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      So it sounds like it's picking up right after they walk into the portal?

      Actually it seems like it will be picking up when they get back from their vacation.

      I hope they don't do that. This is the first time Asami will have seen the Spirit World. That's not a good thing to skip over.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Hanabi-chan wrote:

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      So it sounds like it's picking up right after they walk into the portal?

      Actually it seems like it will be picking up when they get back from their vacation.

      I hope they don't do that. This is the first time Asami will have seen the Spirit World. That's not a good thing to skip over.

      The cover shows them walking out of the portal, so it's not out of the question

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    • Boomubbles wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Hanabi-chan wrote:

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      So it sounds like it's picking up right after they walk into the portal?

      Actually it seems like it will be picking up when they get back from their vacation.

      I hope they don't do that. This is the first time Asami will have seen the Spirit World. That's not a good thing to skip over.

      The cover shows them walking out of the portal, so it's not out of the question

      I think the first korra comic is going to be about Korrasami's vacation in the spirit world. why would they skip over that?

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    • Boomubbles wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Hanabi-chan wrote:

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      So it sounds like it's picking up right after they walk into the portal?

      Actually it seems like it will be picking up when they get back from their vacation.

      I hope they don't do that. This is the first time Asami will have seen the Spirit World. That's not a good thing to skip over.

      The cover shows them walking out of the portal, so it's not out of the question

      If you're talking about the image I think you're talking about, it's not really a "cover," it's something they put together to promote the comics. Even if it was, the comic need not necessarily take place entirely in the Spirit World. You can show that in maybe 10-20 pages, if you want, & then seque into another story. Alternatively, you could set the story after the vacation with the occasional cutaway, if you felt so inclined.

      At any rate, of course it's "not out of the question" that they might skip it, my point was that I hope they don't, because they shouldn't.

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    • I would like to see some kind of adventure, while I think Avatar has traditionally had strong characters, and I view the couple favorably, I don't really want their relationship to be the primary focus. I'm also half expecting it to be a little less interesting because now they're together, rather than having that element of build up, which seems to be the case frequently in fiction when two characters finally get together.

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    • I think only the 1st is supposed to focus on Korrasami, or something like that.

      Brahma no, I hate that notion, the way everyone tries to do 20 years of "will they or won't they" is stupid & tedious. In every situation I can think of where the couple actually got together, it was better. Even Makorra was more believable in Book 2, for all of the 10 minutes that lasted.

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    • Do you think the comic books will be able to get away with things the TV show couldn't? Will the characters be able to BLEED without Nickelodeon censors crashing down on them like before?

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    • I doubt that they will bleed but they can probably still get away with more. Though in The Promise Ho Tun was originally supposed to be obsessed with death instead of doom until Nick intervened. So they probably still have a say in everything.

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    • Well, yeah, they still have the rights to Avatar. It's more likely that Mike was referring to more explicit Korrasami scenes (urgh--holding back the jokes is physically painful), space to elaborate on things, & ability to draw things which would be too expensive to animate.

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    • Confirmed on Amazon: Smoke and Shadow Part 3 will be out on April 12, 2016, featuring our favorite demented firebender.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKnRmP4WUAA5Tdt.jpg
      Children are disappearing in the Fire Nation capitol! Avatar Aang and his friends are doing everything in their power to save them--but will it be enough?!
      What's worse, when Azula--the mad sister of Fire Lord Zuko--appears on the scene, Zuko locks down the capitol to catch her, igniting fear and riots in the streets! Will Zuko follow in his evil father's footsteps in order to save those he holds dear?!

      Gene Yang initially teased about her in this interview.[1]

      Let's recap. We have Part 1 out on October 6,[2] and a re-package of The Complete 3-Book Collection (ATLA DVD set) with new art from Bryan also on October 6.[3] Then we have Avatar Legacy out on October 27.[4] Hmm... NYCC is on October 8-12, so there's a very good chance Nick will that venue to promote those items. Yay.

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    • My update is not korra related, but i avatar related.

      The search live action film(the one trailer was posted on the last fourm) but if you missed it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYThF0Vnm5E The trailer for the search live action film posted in case you missed it.

      Well i will get to the point, Sadly they cannont continue production due to remaining money shortages and have started another compaign to raise the rest of the money needed to continue and finish production of the movie. information video down below.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu20ZWy6x2o Just some information about production so far and why they are in need of money.

      also some update reminders.

      1.Smoke and shadows part 1 is coming out in october.

      2. Legacy is coming out on october 27.

      3. Korra comics have been confirmed but no release date however will take place right where the series left off with korrasami being one of the main foucus in the comic(Those of you who support and/or ship korrasami) and the aftermath of the attack of republic city during the whole kurvira thing.

      4. We have a repakaged box set for avatar the last airbender (the complete series) coming out on october 6 2015.

      That was just a reminder of updates, for those of you who have reuturned or are returning to school, good luck with your school year.

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    • Actually, Smoke and Shadow part 1 comes out September 23

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    • i think that the october 6th date is either the amazon reaslease date, while the steptember is mabey the regular date, i think the september date is the earlierts that they will start realeasing the comic.

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    • It usually comes to the comic books stores before anywhere else.

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    • well ok, then it is just the amazon date, that they are releasing it late.

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    • Check out the exclusives from Korra Book 4 artbook.

      Other things while I was away:

      • ATLA poster collection is out.[1]
      • Gurihiru showed some concept covers for Smoke and Shadow Part 3.[2]
      • Nick Animation featured a youtube clip of Mike and Bryan discussing how to pitch and create a show, plus getting started in the animation industry.
      • Re-release of ATLA 3-book boxset (on October 6) has a finalized cover.
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLQOwH7XAAAB68s.jpg
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      • ICYMI, Gene Yang teased the Fire Nation version of the Kyoshi Warriors.[6]
        "There was a concept that Mike and Bryan were playing with for the show, kind of like a Fire Nation version of the Kyoshi warriors, that never actually made it into the show. So that’s a concept that we have incorporated into Smoke and Shadow. It was designed by Gurihiru, who are amazing… they’re just astounding artists."
        Suki worried about Zuko
        Excellent.
      • Oh, mark you calender for October 15, 2015. I'm hopeful that Viacom will include Korra in its featured events for Spirit Day.

      All in all, I think the franchise is in good hands. ATLA/Korra could have easily been written off (along with other good shows) after the Viacom restructuring but I suppose Nick still see some value in this IP, especially with Nick trying to make things right with Mike and Bryan. Not sure about Paramount, but most of Paramount execs who worked on the movie has been promoted or something, so it can't be that bad.

      With Adam Goodman gone, the corporate bashing of M.Night has mostly ended. Frank Marshall is directing a movie for Paramount.[7] Paramount may be cutting back on animated movies.[8] Will we get a reboot or sequels? Dunno. M.Night is currently busy storyboarding his next movie.[9] I think I can see Sohka and Katara from here. Icon_lolno.gif

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLlWa_WUYAEOqaA.jpg


      Good luck for Fall/Winter semester!

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    • Those look AWESOME. I can literally not wait for the Book 4 art book to be out now. Also looking forward to Smoke & Shadow too.

      Oh, and that pic of Korra is BADASS. *saved*

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    • US release of ATLA 3-book collection is now available for pre-order on Amazon.[1] It's 16 discs NTSC format, as opposed to the 13 discs PAL format for the UK release back in 2012.[2] I wonder if they added mo stuff. Eusa_think.gif

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLQOwH7XAAAB68s.jpg

      BTW, I forgot to mention the significance of yesterday's news on Paramount's internal restruction. Paramount Animation is dead. You know, the start-up effort that Paramount announced back in 2012 to make Korra movie and other animated movies,[3] to compete with DreamWorks Animation because the studios were dicking with each other on the 6% distribution fee?[4] It's dead. Yes, Spongebob 2 was very successful but it originally proposed as a Nick Movie yet it still ended up marketed as a Nick movie. The twice-postponed Monster Trucks movie is not even a real animated movie but mixed with live-action. All kids movies for Paramount will be marketed (and budgeted) under Nickelodeon Movies label. What a waste. If only they used the money to make TLA2 and TLA3, instead of this vanity project. Icon_problem.gif

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    • Got another tip from AvatarTLAnews: ZWYER is selling the Lin Beifong statue directly on Amazon USA[1] for $99 with free 2-day shipping for Amazon Prime customers (so you can get it on Monday if you order it in the next few hours). What a deal! Icon_thumbup.gif

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/e404662792a79619772000aef8dfe527/tumblr_nqiiw8qfay1rsmg9ho1_500.jpg


      FYI, ZWYER's licensing with Nick for the Lin Beifong statue is only for the USA market, but nothing is stopping US resellers like animebooks and bigbadtoystore from shipping them to international customers. Icon_mrgreen.gif

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    • The comic book hasn't come out yet. So please, PLEASE stop taking that panel out of context. If Zuko/Suki is confirmed in the comics. Then you can shove that in our faces as much as you want.

      It's sad that the Korra animated movie likely will never be made, but I'm perfectly fine with the series being where it is right now. The comic books are free to do what they want with the universe (within reason) and with the live action film/reboot in development hell, and M Night moving on to bigger and better things with his new grandma grandpa horror slasher movie the Visit, which I admit at least looks passable, it looks like even if it's not as profitable as it was before, the integrity of the franchise and the characters will at least be maintained.

      The Storyboard is likely for the Unbreakable sequel/TV show pilot since that character also wore a hood.

      But If it isn't, and M Night is so much as thinking of making another Last Airbender movie- there will be consequences, namely him being back on the list of 'most hated people in Hollywood' right next to Michael Bay, and his movies flopping at the box office again.

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    • The cover Hasdi had posted before was sold for charity's sake if I remember correctly and now its finished version will be the cover of the new announced series DVD and Blu-Ray set for The Legend of Korra.

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    • awesome pic is awesome.

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    • I really don't see the FN version of the Kyoshi Warriors as "proving" Zuko/Suki. Since Ty Lee is already a member, it could just mean that they are expanding.

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    • Today, the Avatar: The Last Airbender Poster Collection came out on Amazon.

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    • Fun, will have to check that out.

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    • Lil Tinymouse wrote:
      Today, the Avatar: The Last Airbender Poster Collection came out on Amazon.

      The link to oder the poster collection is down below.

      http://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Last-Airbender-The-Poster-Collection/dp/1616557370/ref=pd_sim_sbs_21_10?ie=UTF8&refRID=1EYSN09T7B3K71Y84QQ1

      well here you go, get to ordering if you can.

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    • The Last Airbender 2 has been confirmed:(

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    • Lil Tinymouse wrote: The Last Airbender 2 has been confirmed:(

      my reaction: NO! IT'S NOT TRUE!! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!! NOOOOOOO!!

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    • ^^^ About that, they all or most of them link back to a vc post article which also links back to the ign article about a interview with m. Night. I had read the article and i did not see where it says that it was confirmed, he may have an interest in making a airbender 2 movie but it did not show of it being confirmed,

      Unless i am missing somthing, i am going to consider it a rumor untill an offical confirmation is announced.

      I doubt there will be another airbender movie, it may have done good in the box office, but sadly was widly panned by critics and fans and movie gowers alike, There was even an aricle that says the reason why it may be click bait, if i find it i may link it here if i can but for now, i will think that it is a roumor.

      Remember when it was announced that a korra movie was going to be made but it tured out to be a roumor when one of the creators had posted that no movie was in the works.

      If i remember correctly, the creators had prtended that no such movie exitsted so i dont think that they will be on board for this if it is confirmed(which from what i had remebered, i dont think its confirmed.)

      Unless i am missing somthing, i will think it is a roumor, If you think i am missing somehing, then you may post below, or on my wall. But i dont think that source is legit/true. IT COULD BE POTINTAL CLICK BAIT, SO I WOULD NOT TAKE THE NEWS SERIOUSLY AS OF NOW. No i dont hate the move (though it could of done much better) but i am just basing this based on logic here.

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    • I don't know I'd this counts as evidence, but there are a bunch of articles that say it's been confirmed, so unless they got information from each other's articles, it's highly unlikely that they would all come up with the same idea at the same time. But, you know... it could really just be them trying to gain popularity by posting false things. I don't really know...

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    • Of course they got their information from each other. That's pretty much the norm, unfortunately.

      It all seems to come down to Shyamalan's vague statements that he's "ready to push the sequel." Considering Shyamalan's assessment of his career can border on the delusional, I don't expect this to amount to anything. Who is going to want to do a sequel to "the most hated movie of all time" on the off-chance that it happens to luck out in China the same way the original did?

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    • Yes, That post refenced the article about m. Night defending his first airbender movie, THE LAST AIRBENDER.   

      I had read the interview article about his defence for the movie, it in no way refrence about a potential sequal, it was just him comparing his movie to the transformers franschise. So i dont know where Vc had gotten thier information from, But the ign articel in no way refrencing a potiental sequal for the last airbender movie. So the article from vc might as well be click bait, i dont see a source, not to mention that it dose not really talk about a potintal sequal, Just M. Nights history.

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    • @Neo

      Yes, the articles seme to be refencing back to the vc post. i dont see other orgigins of the posts.

      if you were to google it, you would read like according to the vc post or something along those lines.

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    • I don't think it's accidental that the VC article doesn't explain jack. And indeed, that is what I read, as that is what Wiki had cited.

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    • It could be cool if they made a live action movie with a different director and maybe just made a movie that was based upon the characters, or if it fell into the continuity, something later with a new story arc.

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    • Guuuuyys!!! Legacy which will be coming out soon has some pictures released! [1] [2] [3] [4]

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    • I'd have to double-check against the ATLA art book, but it looks to me like there's new stuff in that book. Either way, can't wait to check it out.

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    • Tono555 wrote: Guuuuyys!!! Legacy which will be coming out soon has some pictures released! [1] [2] [3] [4]

      This was a good investment. Now I just need to find something worth around $8 to add to my cart so I can get free shipping, then I can complete my order.

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    • I really had trouble reading it because it was too small, but Aang claimed that he and Katara discovered the swamp tribe. What about Sokka? He was there too.

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    • There's been other newsworthy items other than M.Night finally confirming The Last Airbender 2 and that he will be behind it, which we can discuss more on another thread. After I did some digging, yes, the sequel is really happening but still in pre-production phase. No release date has been announced, but I am not expecting it to be any earlier than 2017.

      • First off, Dark Horse kicked off Avatar month (September) with this timeline poster.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNg1Wm1UEAA2aae.jpg


      • Dark Horse is also holding a Bender Art Contest, where you can draw yourself as a bender for a chance to win one of these babies:

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COpj6oSUYAAkq-u.png


      • Nick reposted some fanmade LEGO figures of Team Avatar Korra and Korra with Aang. "How cool would it be to have sets of these?" Are you trying to tell us something, Nick? xP
      • Paramount has released a detailed breakdown on what is included in Nick's ATLA: The Complete Series boxset.
      • Bryan got word from Paramount that "the LOK complete DVD/Blu-ray series is currently only planned as an international release (non-U.S.), starting with Australia on November 15th. I don’t know what other territories will follow after that, or if or when the U.S. might get this release."
      • Gene Yang spoke with Entertainment Weekly (EW) to promoting the upcoming Smoke and Shadow graphic novels, which will feature the Fire Warriors:
        "When we were talking about what to do with these three books, Bryan described to me this group of Fire Nation women warriors that they were kind of batting around. And unfortunately, that concept got left on the cutting room floor. So it’ll be a little bit like the Fire Nation equivalent of the Kyoshi warriors. We’re bringing that concept in now, so that will be one of the main adversaries of the book."
      Excellent. I can't wait to see the live-action version of the Fire Warriors. And if it has not been confirmed already, EW also noted that Gene Yang will do another 3-part graphic novel set after he is done with Smoke and Shadow.

      Later.

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    • After I did some digging, yes, the sequel is really happening but still in pre-production phase.

      I'm sure.

      Bryan got word from Paramount that "the LOK complete DVD/Blu-ray series is currently only planned as an international release (non-U.S.), starting with Australia on November 15th. I don’t know what other territories will follow after that, or if or when the U.S. might get this release."

      Well, that's idiotic.

      Yes, Mako was supposed to die.

      It doesn't say that.

      Gene Yang spoke with Entertainment Weekly (EW) to promoting the upcoming Smoke and Shadow graphic novels, which will feature the Fire Warriors: "When we were talking about what to do with these three books, Bryan described to me this group of Fire Nation women warriors that they were kind of batting around. And unfortunately, that concept got left on the cutting room floor. So it’ll be a little bit like the Fire Nation equivalent of the Kyoshi warriors. We’re bringing that concept in now, so that will be one of the main adversaries of the book."

      That's fascinating, but I do wish he'd give an overview of the group. Have they always been around, or are they new? What is the organization's specific purpose? Are they affiliated with the Fire Lord, & if so, why are they "adversaries"?

      Excellent. I can't wait to see the live-action version of the Fire Warriors.

      Gonna be waiting a while.

      And if it has not been confirmed already, EW also noted that Gene Yang will do another 3-part graphic novel set after he is done with Smoke and Shadow.

      Judging by Nickelodeon's newfound interest in profiting from the franchise, this is plausible. Hopefully, it means the Legend of Korra comics will get expanded, but that's really putting the cart before the horse.

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    • Ditto with what Neo said about Mako. Many also said that Korra "sacrificed herself" to save the new Air Nation but she did not die. Both put their lives at risk and were willing to die if need be but did not end up dying.

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    • I'm still mad about the DVD box not getting an American release, & I imagine it'll cost both of my kidneys to transport the thing from Kangaroo Island.

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    • Likely will end up importing a Hong Kong (possible) bootleg for like $20.

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    • Oh, I'm relatively certain that it will get a US release eventually. And I already have all four books, so I won't be too broken up if it doesn't.

      It's actually sort of interesting, one idea I had briefly pondered exploring in my LoK fanon was the idea of a Kyoshi Warriors-esque corps of elite firebenders - not necessarily all girls - who would have been the personal guard of Fire Lord Izumi. I hadn't named them, but I was throwing around ideas that revolved around dragons - they would've appeared at one or two points of the story. I ended up discarding that idea, but it's very interesting that a similar concept is now being implemented in S&S, though I'm miffed that it's apparently going to be as antagonists.

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    • With Nickelodeon, who knows?

      I am specifically holding out for a box release.

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    • Ah, I missed a few things...

      • The voice cast of Korra, Asami and Mako attended SAC Anime in Sacremento (September 4-6) to guest on panels that you watch some of them on youtube:
        • Friday, 3:00pm: The Legend Of Korra Q&A, Featuring: Janey Varney and David Faustino
          Come join the Avatar and firebender as they discuss this beloved Nickelodeon series, and answer your burning questions.
        • Saturday, 2:00pm The Legend Of Korra Q&A, Featuring: Janey Varney, Seychelle Gabriel and David Faustino
          Come join these three stars as they discuss this beloved Nickelodeon series, and answer your burning questions.
        • Sunday, 2:00pm The Legend Of Korra Q&A, Featuring: Janey Varney, Seychelle Gabriel and David Faustino
          Come join these three stars as they discuss this beloved Nickelodeon series, and answer your burning questions.
      On the last day, Janet and Seychelle reenacted the Korrasami marriage proposal. Icon_biggrin.gif
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      DWA indicated early this year in their Q4 2014 earning calls that they were going to release Dinotrux and Voltron on Netflix in 2015. DinoTrux is already streaming last month, so that leaves Voltron. I'm sure Mir will do good job on this. Just check out what Mir recently did for Disney XD with the Guardians of the Galaxy shorts.

      Still, it's kind sad that Nick Animation had to let go of Mir and the crew after Korra Book 3 failed to get good ratings on the Friday night death slot. Yes, there is an actual Wikipedia entry on Friday night death slot and yes, the network doomed Book 3 before it was even launched. Had Nick renewed Book 5/6 back then, Mir would have new episodes ready to air as early as end of this year. With the current sentiment on this franchise, I'm sure Nick would to order more episodes and/or new series, but most of the crew is tied up doing other shows. Nick still keeping Mike and Bryan though, presumably developing ideas for new content for Viacom.

      Hanabi-chan wrote:
      Many also said that Korra "sacrificed herself" to save the new Air Nation but she did not die.

      In Book 3, Korra surrendered to Zaheer. In Book 1, Lin Beifong sacrificed her bending to save Tenzin and his family. What did Mako sacrifice? Eusa_think.gif


      In other news, The Visit movie by our favorite director overperformed with $25,427,560 domestic in its opening weekend, just $460,594 short of the #1. The critical reception is pretty good with 62% Tomatometer and B- CinemaScore, with glowing reviews from IGN, The Mary Sue and Forbes. This means, The Last Airbender 2 will likely be an action-comedy (instead of action-drama like the first movie) but without Megan Fox. Now if Paramount would be so kind to re-release The Last Airbender recut as an action comedy...
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    • Hasdi, your claim of "Mako was supposed to die" is bs, and only goes to show how you like to twist things around. Every Avatar fan worth their salt knows by now that Mike and Bryan said that Mako was to end up with Izumi's daughter, because Book Four originally had a bigger Fire Nation participation, that was cut out in the end.

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    • Anything looks good next to six piles of Dog feces. Please, the only reason people are saying the visit was 'good' was because compared to his track record anything that isn't Last Airbender or After Earth looks like citizen Kane by comparison and I'm sorry, a good horror movie does not circle around a man shoving an adult diaper into a preteen girls face. That's not scary, that's shock value for shock values sake. As matter of fact, shoving feces into the audiences face and saying it's a masterpiece is a pretty good metaphor for his entire career post Signs.

      And at a cheap 5 million dollar production. The Visit could have done as bad as Josh Trank's Fantastic Four and STILL wouldn't be considered a flop. Not to mention It's still going to be years before any Hollywood studio gives Shyamalandingdong $150 million (240 million with the ad campaign) to make a blockbuster again. And The Last Airbender 2 is NOT going to be the film that he's allowed to return to blockbuster filmmaking with. No one is going to finance a Last Airbender 2 unless Shamhammer settle for a small scale affair with a budget under $30 million.

      Not to mention that Last Airbender wasn't enough of a financial hit to bypass vitriolic reviews like the Transformers series is. So even if he did make the sequel, it would flop and flop HARD.

      This is just a case of a washed up, egotistical prick refusing to publicly admit failure. It's far easier on Night to say in public "Yeah, I'm going to do the sequel." then it for him to say 'i'm sorry and I'll try better next time, Mea Culpa"'. When that's all he has to say and we'll be willing to let it go! Hell, Joel Schumacher apologized for Batman and Robin, why can't Shyamalan?

      A Last Airbender sequel wont happen. Not in this economy. Only a handful of filmmakers on the planet can will a movie into existence. If Martin Scorcese can't get a film financed despite directing some of the greatest movies of all time, then M. Night Shyamalan sure isn't going to be able to with his track record of failure.

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    • In Book 3, Korra surrendered to Zaheer. In Book 1, Lin Beifong sacrificed her bending to save Tenzin and his family. What did Mako sacrifice? Eusa_think.gif

      Korra surrendered to Zaheer, who planned to kill her. She lived. Lin sacrificed her bending. It's back now. Similar things happened with Kai & Tenzin. The pattern, if you notice, is that "sacrificing yourself" doesn't necessarily mean the outcome is inevitable.

      Mako sacrificed himself by staying behind to destroy the Colossus, a dangerous & potentially fatal endeavor, & was seriously wounded in the attempt.

      But to go "well, that obviously means he was going to die" completely ignores all of the times characters performed heroic sacrifices even as the authors had no intention of making it permanent.

      There is 0 evidence that Mako was ever going to die. You just saw the word "sacrifice" & leaped to conclusions. Also, none of this is even news, because we all remember when you pointed out that the track was called "Mako's Sacrifice" (again, I say that "Service & Sacrifice" clearly must mean that Korra was supposed to die at the end of Book 3), & we didn't find it convincing then either.

      Not to mention that Last Airbender wasn't enough of a financial hit to bypass vitriolic reviews like the Transformers series is. So even if he did make the sequel, it would flop and flop HARD.

      Yes, something that's being neglected is that we've gone over the numbers before, & found that without the success in China, Last Airbender would have never been profitable.

      China allows, what is it now, 30 foreign films a year?

      You'd have to be insane to bank on lucking out on that twice.

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    • ^ considering all the props they can reuse and the cgi that doesn't need to be designed (maybe spruced up a little) they could work with a lower budget... Sequels usually make more money but even if they put less $ in and got the same amount as the first film, that's still a profit.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Mako sacrificed himself by staying behind to destroy the Colossus, a dangerous & potentially fatal endeavor, & was seriously wounded in the attempt.

      Isn't it more accurate to say Mako risked himself by staying behind to destroy the Colossus?

      Honestly, you guys are too worked up over this theory. Mako's death would have served two story purposes: 1) eliminate future possibilities of Makorra and Masami; and 2) shutting up Mako haters (an objective confirmed in the artbook). But it would also mean Nick is done with The Legend of Korra. Saving Mako means Nick can continue the series with Team Avatar intact, like the recent announcement from Dark Horse Comics.

      Whatever. It's not as if convincing anyone of this would help realize M.Night's vision of The Last Airbender 2. http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/8.gif

      RaidenRadio wrote:
      A Last Airbender sequel wont happen. Not in this economy. Only a handful of filmmakers on the planet can will a movie into existence. ... M. Night Shyamalan sure isn't going to be able to with his track record of failure.

      But of course. Even with the overwhelming success of The Visit for Universal Pictures, I doubt M.Night can get Universal to co-finance TLA2 with Paramount. However, the other producer of TLA is one of the "handful of filmmakers on the planet" who can will this baby into existence. After all, he already made $1.655 billion for Universal and counting. You do remember that The Last Airbender is also a Kennedy/Marshall production not just a Blinding Edge production, right? Icon_shifty.gif

      Also, my crystal ball indicates that most of the cast will return. particularly Dev Patel and Nicola Peltz. Toph is likely to be recast, which it's too bad because Isaac Solstein would give Eddie Redmayne a run for his money (and Oscar). :( Jessica Andres said years back that she would return to play Suki if asked. It may interest you that Jessica will be in a indie play IN LOVE AND WARCRAFT, the West Coast edition with a diverse cast, opening this Saturday Sept 19 at the Los Angeles Theatre Center.

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    • Mako doesn't need to die to get goodwill. Him being willing to risk himself like that is enough. And even if Izumi's daughter didn't exist, just because he's still there doesn't mean either of his ships would come back. It's delusional to think so. You have got to be one of the most biased person I've ever met in this wiki, up there with that one vandal who had to be blocked because he was spamming that Haru was Amon's lieutenant everywhere.

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    • Isn't it more accurate to say Mako risked himself by staying behind to destroy the Colossus?

      In the same vein that it would be more accurate to say the same thing of Korra & Beifong. Doesn't matter, they didn't.

      Honestly, you guys are too worked up over this theory.

      First of all, you presented it as a fact, & this thing where you act like your sources say something they clearly don't is something I keep harping on, yet you keep doing it. Even though it's technically against the discussion policy, but I'm beyond the point of surprise that you don't get penalized for things.

      Secondly, if someone shoots your theory full of holes & you go, "you're too worked up!" that's not a legitimate point, that's you making an ad hominem to distract from the fact that you're not standing up to scrutiny.

      Mako's death would have served two story purposes:

      Irrelevant. People have all sorts of proposed ideas for things that "would have served story purposes," doesn't mean they were ever on the menu.

      But it would also mean Nick is done with The Legend of Korra.

      No, it wouldn't mean that at all. It's not called "Legend of Mako."

      Whatever. It's not as if convincing anyone of this would help realize M.Night's vision of The Last Airbender 2.

      I wouldn't put it past you to link them somehow.

      You have got to be one of the most biased person I've ever met in this wiki, up there with that one vandal who had to be blocked because he was spamming that Haru was Amon's lieutenant everywhere.

      Come to think of it, Hasdi's "theories" have pretty much the same credibility. Does anyone else remember "Toph & Aiwei are transsexual & they switch bodies via meditation?" I wish I didn't.

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    • Omnibender wrote:
      You have got to be one of the most biased person I've ever met in this wiki.

      I certainly am not, but I will grant you that my biases tend to be the least popular on this wiki, which saddens me. Icon_cry.gif

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      First of all, you presented it as a fact, & this thing where you act like your sources say something they clearly don't is something I keep harping on, yet you keep doing it.

      Your concern was duly noted, which is why when I present a fact, it would be in a form like "according to X, Y confirmed Z". For example: according to metro UK, M.Night confirmed he will be behind TLA2 (and edited accordingly on a wiki page). See how that works? http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd378/ketekbau/Emoticon/kedip.gif

      Otherwise, my statements are usually theories (and scenarios) that best fit the known facts. Sometimes I present multiple conflicting theories for the same set of facts, and revise my theories when the facts change. Until confirmed, they are still theories so I fully expect you (and anyone else) to shoot any holes and inconsistencies in them.

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Does anyone else remember "Toph & Aiwei are transsexual & they switch bodies via meditation?"

      That's my secondary theory on Toph/Aiwei. My primary theory is that Aiwei IS Toph. Both theories were invalidated after Old Lady Toph was introduced in Book 4. No need to get worked up over it. It's better to get it right than to be right. Lixa.gif

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    • Mako sacrificed his arm for a while at least. It was broken/badly burned and in a cast.

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    • ^ Interesting. Perhaps the damage to Mako's arm will be semi-permanent in the upcoming comic? Eusa_think.gif Still, if I was writing that episode and I knew Nick is done with the series, then there is no point to keep anyone around so I would kill him off.

      In other news, Eric Coleman (who is arguably the uncredited co-creator of ATLA) has been to promoted by Disney to SVP of Original Programming and General Manager for Disney Television Animation. If Nick passes on Threadworlds animated series then there is a better chance for Disney to pick it up (via Eric).

      BTW, anyone else noticed that the narrative at the end of The Visit movie was meant for Bryan?

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    • A lot of fans would have been ticked off if he died though. And with Korrasami happening in the end, a lot of fans would have accused Bryke of killing off Mako so that Korrasami could work. As a Korrasami fans, I am glad to see that the pairing worked and wouldn't have wanted it to happen in Mako's expense.

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    • I agree, personally. Killing off Mako would've been interesting I guess especially in terms of how it affected poor Bolin, but it really wouldn't have added anything to the scene itself, and Bolin's heroic rescue of his big bro was awesome, so I like how it ended. Plus, there's the fact that it would have inflamed the Makorra fandom even more, as you pointed out.

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    • Hanabi-chan wrote: Mako sacrificed his arm for a while at least. It was broken/badly burned and in a cast.

      i wonder how long it will take for Mako's arm to be full healed?

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    • That's actually a pretty good question. I mean, it was pretty severely burned all the way up to the elbow, so I imagine it's gonna take a while to heal. Of course, his ex-girlfriend is a healer trained by the greatest healer in the world, so it might not be as long as you'd expect.

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    • Hanabi-chan wrote:
      A lot of fans would have accused Bryke of killing off Mako so that Korrasami could work.

      Yes, they would but I would argue that Korrasami would have happened whether Mako lived or died. See, I'm in the camp of "Mako knew of Korrasami back in Book 3" so his sacrifice would have been the male version of "Unrequited Tragic Maiden" trope, in which the maiden willingly sacrifice herself so that the object of her affections can be safe with the one he really loves. Mike and Bryan first used this trope in Book 1 when Lin Beifong sacrificed herself so that Tenzin can escape with his family. That's why her scenes (and music) is called "Beifong's sacrifice".

      Similarly, Mako was also willing to die for Korra (and Asami), knowing he has no chance to end up with either of them. Bolin would be fine without him, especially after reconciling with Opal. Izumi's daughter was cut from the story so Mako have nothing else to lose.

      DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      Bolin's heroic rescue of his big bro was awesome

      Yes, but the scene was brief and simple, something that could be easily added as part of the last-minute rework at Studio Mir. On the other hand, Mako would have died had Bolin not come back for Mako (even though Mako "promised" he will get out as soon as he could) so you could argue his sacrifice was undone by intervention from Nick Bolin.

      Teddybearlover wrote:
      i wonder how long it will take for Mako's arm to be full healed?

      Assuming it can be healed...

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lujbow3heX1qa2ss4o6_500.jpg
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    • Mako had a few burns, and maybe a broken bone. His arm was not blown up by a psychic grenade.

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    • Mako's arm was basically burned from fingertips to elbow, but it was still there, so it could be healed - especially by a healing-trained waterbender. Sparky Sparky Boom Man, I always thought, blew off his arm entirely.

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    • Yes! Mako is Combustion (aka Sparky Sparky Boom) Man 2.0!!!

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    • That's probably not going to happen Hasdi. Just like Sokka and Suki are likely not going to break up and Suki's going to marry Zuko.

      In more positive news. a fan made a Game of Thrones style opening with the ATLA universes map.

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    • ^ Oh, I am not really expecting Suki to marry Zuko. I am expecting Kyoshi Island to be annexed into the Fire Nation. Achieving that plot point using a political marriage with Suki and Zuko is a little... convenient. I am sure Gene Yang can do better than that. Maybe.

      Suki worried about Zuko


      Oooh... I am so looking forward to see Smoke and Shadow adapted in TLA4. Icon_mrgreen.gif

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    • Bryan Konietzko wrote on tumblr:


      https://41.media.tumblr.com/0d3cc201ad16aa74aa684c2fbdd5a12d/tumblr_nv1od0PdWw1rptk5lo1_500.jpg


      Michael DiMartino, Janet Varney (voice of Korra), and I are all very excited to be doing a discussion/signing at the Barnes & Noble in The Grove, Los Angeles, next Tuesday, September 29, at 7pm, for the release of The Legend of Korra, Book Four: The Art of the Animated Series and Avatar: The Last Airbender, Smoke and Shadow, Part One. We did a signing there a few years ago and it was a lot of fun. I hope to see you there! Thanks to Dark Horse and Barnes & Nobel for hosting the event. There will be wristbands to get in (and possibly purchase requirements?) so be sure to check out the event page: https://www.facebook.com/events/688304724633880/

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    • I got a tip from korranews. Concept artist Beau Brokop published a few images for a proposed Korra game. Dunno if it's going to a console game or a flash game, but either way, Nick investing on this is a good sign for the franchise.

      Beau Brokop wrote on DeviantArt:
      The last 5 months I had the pleasure of acting as Art Director and Lead Artist for an Adventure Time and Legend of Korra game.

      I just updated my site with a few of the concepts I did for these.

      http://beaubrokop.com/portfolio/conceptassets/

      Now that I am back to freelancing and looking for full-time work I'll be updating my page with new work daily! Glad to be back in saddle, cheers everyone!
      https://40.media.tumblr.com/87d86b7c97b64e655a80f480c111718a/tumblr_nv3o9ndzx61shyazao1_540.png


      Also, Smoke and Shadow Part 1 comes out today, with a strong recommendation from IGN.

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    • I wonder if I can read the avatar comics online?

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    • teddybearlover that's my question as well. i'd like to see them before actually buying them.

      i haven't been on here in forever, but i'm just stopping by to catch up on any rumors/updates/news since it's comic book time again.

      irritated that this thread doesn't show up in my notifications however... grr.

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    • another question:

      i was going through the old thread (17) and saw some stuff about the sdcc panel. is there a link anywhere where i can read all that was discussed at the panel?

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    • aaand lastly, is there a place i can see the dvd commentaries on stuff? i remember for book 3 there was something that was released off the dvd for interent viewing, but i haven't seen anything for book 4

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    • @Hasdi: The page says that it was pushed back to October 6th...

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    • ^ Nope. It comes out today.[1] If you buy it through Amazon and elsewhere, you have to wait until October 6th...[2] The page needs to be updated.

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    • I still need to get ahold of The Search and The Rift...And then I'll get S&S...who knows, by then all three parts might be out :P

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    • If you were more patient than I, the combined book at the end of each trilogy would probably be a cool buy.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote: I wonder if I can read the avatar comics online?

      That's how I've read all of them, but it's not strictly legal.

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    • have you seen any online for S&S yet?

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    • No, they generally take a few days to a little over a week after the release date to crop up. They seem to come up slightly faster as YouTube videos, but I don't think the text is always visible in that format.

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    • when S&S get released online i'm going to read it. same goes for the Korra comics. I don't know how long it will take for the Avatar comics and Korra comics to get released online.

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    • Teddy what site does it typically come out on? Where anyways?

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    • If you know how to use certain Google search features, you can find some scans on tumblr. They're not great, they're scattered through various posts on the same tumblr (which makes it a bit boring, having to go through to posts and actually piece their order together), but they're there.

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    • omnibender i just did the same thing. pain in the rear to read though, and the one i found didn't have the first 16 pages (even though only the first 12 were released before).

      enough to give me a general idea of what's going on though.

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    • Hasdi wrote:

      Dark Horse made a change of plan with NYCC.[1] The "Special Guest" is stricken from the description of "Dark Horse All-Ages: Comics Are For Everyone!" panel. That leaves us with the "Dark Horse: Classified" panel, which Dark Horse recently hinted on twitter to have some goods on the upcoming comic. [2][3] Dark Horse will be giving out ATLA exclusive posters at NYCC, art by Amei Zhao.

      https://images.darkhorse.com/darkhorse/index_images/blog/blog2015/nycc5.jpg
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    • That poster is no Lin statue but I wouldn't mind one. Need to pick up that statue of my favorite character though!

      On Mako's "sacrifice": There might be a number of reasons for the sacrifice and why he didn't die. First, to appease the Mako haters. A second could be that they needed some sort of 'out' if the ending didn't get ok'ed by Nick. A third could simply be from the idea that the writers didn't want any hero to die in the series. 

      LoK game: From the first picture it just looks like a mobile game. It would be nice to see some sort of platform based game but I just think that has run its course from the two previous LoK games.

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    • ATLA the Complete Series boxset is out today. Except for Bryan's artwork for the DVD covers, there is basically no new content. As noted on IGN, the discs are basically reprints, complete with old promos (like a trailer for Lemony Snicket's Nick movie) and Bryke's interview with M. Night Shyamalan. -___-

      As I mentioned elsewhere, this boxset re-release is about expanding the fanbase, so Paramount is targeting new fans, and possibly old fans who wants to guy a "gift" for new recruits. It is currently #1 Best Seller in Anime on Amazon. Also, Amazon has an upcoming exclusive (also for newbies) that packages the boxset with The Promise graphic novel, which will be out on November 17.

      Smoke and Shadow Part 1 is also out on mass market retailers including Amazon and Walmart. Yay me. Looks like Ursa is going to die all over again, if she is not dead already. On a related note, Bryan recently offered a way to disambiguate Iroh I with Iroh II on this wiki.[1]

      Bryan Konietzko wrote:
      https://41.media.tumblr.com/12d40b6d2e36206454af7813c8256f96/tumblr_nvq2z3h2TG1rptk5lo1_250.jpg
      Inktober Day 4 – A young(er) General Iroh the Elder.

      "The Elder". Ha. I see what you did there. xP

      Also, Dark Horse gave a fairly big hint that the release timeframe of the Korra comics might be mentioned in their upcoming NYCC panel.

      Kubernes wrote:
      That poster is no Lin statue but I wouldn't mind one. Need to pick up that statue of my favorite character though!

      Would your favorite character be Korra? [2]

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/172f531cc083217960ff477a946b1cf9/tumblr_inline_nvsfs9W9hJ1r7w6tu_400.jpg

      On Mako's "sacrifice": There might be a number of reasons for the sacrifice and why he didn't die. ... could be that they needed some sort of 'out' if the ending didn't get ok'ed by Nick.

      Typically, a production up for renewal would prepare two different endings to be "ok'ed by Nick": A) one ending in case the network is done with the series; and B) another ending in case the network wants to continue with it. For example, Mike and Bryan prepared an ending for Korra Book 1 where Asami leaves her friends to be with Iroh II, but the network ordered 14 more episodes for Book 2.

      If the go/no-go decision is made early enough (which would be just before the animatics gets shipped to Studio Mir), there is no need to invest any money to rework the ending. In case of the decision to renew Korra for Book 5/6, the crew had wrapped Book 3 production and was just finishing up the animatics for Book 4, when this SHIT happened.

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/ff4790f7fec62268c4d02d28773490de/tumblr_n6yv4hEKtR1rptk5lo1_250.jpg

      My conspiracy bone could go on and on how this was a deliberate act of sabotage by rivals within Viacom, and the attack kept on coming. Book 3 premiere had low ratings as a result, so the network passed on the renewal. The crew had to find other jobs, and Mir signed a deal with DreamWorks Animation shortly after.

      Anywho, Mako's death would be an ending I would expect if Nick is done with the series. But Nick spent a fair sum of money to rework the ending. Perhaps, in the last minute, Nick figured the series is worth saving. Idontknow.gif

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    • I'm going to want that Korra statue, if that's what that is coming up. Also, that pic of Iroh the Elder is awesome. 

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    • is Smoke and Shadow part 1 out online? I want to read it.

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    • I don't know. I have the Dark Horse Comics iPad app, and the last time I checked it wasn't available through there yet. I'll check again this weekend, probably. As for reading it online, I haven't got any clue where it might be available, or if it is.

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    • I kind of forgot about the leak. Interesting theory on just how big of an impact that potentially did have. That suuuuuuuucks.

      Meh, still waiting on my copy of Smoke and Shadow. :/

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    • Rejoice! Britney Williams will be the artist of the upcoming Korra comics.[1]

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/a1478de8e8be1aea27aabaca7a3e03bd/tumblr_nqw778Ot0P1rtzymxo4_r6_500.jpg

      Congrats Britney! Check out her artwork on tumblr and DeviantArt. Icon_mrgreen.gif

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    • Never heard of her, but she looks more than up to the task.

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    • A fan snapped a Dark Horse's slide on the panel, that shows Brittney's sketches on Korra.[1]

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ4slo5WwAA2jGy.jpg
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    • F--- me. Dark Horse will also making comics on Avatar. The other Avatar. With a special announcement from the King of the World himself. [1][2][3]

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ4u0ZcXAAAUlJx.jpg

      This is awkward.

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    • I'm not suprised. Dark Horse has had exclusive rights to 20th century foxes film properties for a long time.

      On one hand, yeah this is slightly awkward. On the other hand, maybe this means we can see James Camerons Avatar crossover with Alien and Predator.

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    • ^ It is awkward because, as I noted on my old blog, James Cameron's ownership of Avatar trademarks included comic books since Oct 2011, before The Promise graphic novels were even released. He could have easily sued Dark Horse and Nickelodeon for using his trademark on comic books. [Although, one could argue they had "common law" trademarks rights to continue using it.]

      This is more than just a comic books licensing deal with James Cameron. This is also a settlement, in exchange to drop his objection for using his Avatar trademarks. Does this mean future graphic novels (including Smoke and Shadow Part 2 and 3) will be simply be head-titled with "The Last Airbender" instead of "Avatar: The Last Airbender"? Gene Yang must have known this was coming. No wonder he was pissed.[1]

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    • Other news: a Korrasami statue is about to come.

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    • As much as this Britney Williams looks competent and talented, I'd have preferred Gurihiru to remain responsible for the art, for it to be consistent between ATLA comics and LOK comics. The only real benefit I can think of is that with new artists, this can mean we have more comics in development at the same time, ATLA ones with Gurihiru and LOK ones with BW.

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    • Seems like a good thing, having them both churning out comics. Her work looks great, so I'm on board with both projects running concurrently.

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    • Korra2000 wrote: Other news: a Korrasami statue is about to come.

      What?

      I'm actually not super fond of those Korra sketches. They look off, somehow. But Gene Yang improved a lot overtime, & his Avatar art was initially a lot worse than this.

      I do like the idea of more rapid comic releases.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Korra2000 wrote: Other news: a Korrasami statue is about to come.

      What?

      I'm actually not super fond of those Korra sketches. They look off, somehow. But Gene Yang improved a lot overtime, & his Avatar art was initially a lot worse than this.

      I do like the idea of more rapid comic releases.

      Was not a big fan of those sketches myself. The body looks ok, but there's something wrong with the head. For me the head looks smaller than what Korra was drawn as in the show, and the face, while similar, is clearly different for me. Dunno if that's due to the style, or the artist has not eased into the characters yet.

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    • Yes, I agree with that exactly.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Korra2000 wrote: Other news: a Korrasami statue is about to come.

      What?

      I'm actually not super fond of those Korra sketches. They look off, somehow. But Gene Yang improved a lot overtime, & his Avatar art was initially a lot worse than this.

      I do like the idea of more rapid comic releases.


      A Korrasami and an Aang statue are in the works. I wasn't joking if you thought I was.

      https://twitter.com/jackeeviswhite/status/652541117397864448

      https://twitter.com/AvatarTLAnews/status/652670127863894016

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    • Ohmyfreakinggawd, that Korrasami statue looks awesome. Definitely want to get that.

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    • That Korrasami statue is a design concept that was revealed at MondoCon several days ago.[1] Brock Otterbacher (of Mondo Toys) said that final approval (from Nick) is still pending on this, but he was confident that fans of the show's final emotional reveal will be very happy with what he has lined up.[2]

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/affd3495a2b4d4232108d1c426497b1d/tumblr_nvrvln9aUe1qfq28bo1_500.jpg

      Mondo had licensed TMNT IPs before, so they already have a business relationship with Nick. It should be straightforward to get it approved, though there might a delay to avoid cannibalizing the sales for Zwyer's upcoming Korra statue. Be forewarned that their toys are quite pricey $100-$200.

      Prototype pending licensor approval, presumably from Nick. Do we really need another Aang statue? How about them action figures? Icon_mrgreen.gif

      Also, Brittney Williams gave an exclusive interview to CBR.[3] When asked of the characters' design transition from TV to comics ...

      Brittney Williams said:
      I'm definitely going to stay true to the amazing style and tone that the "Legend of Korra" and the "Avatar" series have. ... The great Bryan Konietzko will be there to provide direction and inspiration! At the same time, animation and comics are very different. As opposed to a whole crew with a variety of tastes and styles working on an animated series, a comic usually has one artist. In that respect, I think my drawing style will probably show itself a bit!
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ5aJqUVAAAVfwA.jpg
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    • God, I want that Korra figure too. As for the new artist for the comics, I will reserve judgement until I see the finished product. Those sketches so far look a little off-putting because of how different the style is, but not bad. Plus Bryan's gonna be involved, which is good. We'll see.

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    • There was a signing session with Brittney Williams on Sunday at NYCC.[1]

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/7037a533de7c260e9317e7b7c748ca00/tumblr_nw2p1hxZBc1uxaonxo1_500.png

      Each fan gets a signed poster of her Korra sketches, with a special message from Dark Horse on the bottom right corner.[2]

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/06ac85093ebbb6b7987e8c999297284a/tumblr_nw2mwjFtZJ1ryaxmoo1_500.jpg


      "COMING FALL 2016"

      You're welcome.

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    • Korra looks a tad young in those pics.

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    • Fall 2016?? is that thee released date for the korra comics? and do you guys think that is the released date?

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    • Rumor: The real reason Ursa's hands are so cold is she has become a vampire.

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    • ^^There are no vampires in the world of avatar.

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    • How do you know?

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    • Weeeell, so far nothing has ever been mentioned about the existence of any of the traditional supernatural/undead archetypes that we know from fiction in the real world - zombies, vampires, etc...

      Thus, there is nothing in established canon to even suggest that such a thing exists in the Avatarverse. Conversely, of course, no evidence whatsoever exists to conclusively state that such a thing does not exist, and absence of proof is not necessarily proof of absence. However in this case, until Word of Lionturtle says otherwise, I am going to assume that there are no vampires in the avatarverse. 

      Of course, if you like the idea, you could always write it into a fanon. I'd read that.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: Weeeell, so far nothing has ever been mentioned about the existence of any of the traditional supernatural/undead archetypes that we know from fiction in the real world - zombies, vampires, etc...

      Thus, there is nothing in established canon to even suggest that such a thing exists in the Avatarverse. Conversely, of course, no evidence whatsoever exists to conclusively state that such a thing does not exist, and absence of proof is not necessarily proof of absence. However in this case, until Word of Lionturtle says otherwise, I am going to assume that there are no vampires in the avatarverse. 

      Of course, if you like the idea, you could always write it into a fanon. I'd read that.

      Zombies do exist in the Avatarverse. Varrick mentioned zombie Amon in his tale of Bolin's life

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    • No, the concept of zombies exists, not the same thing. Note also that everything in Varrick's story is presented as completely ridiculous & unbelievable.

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    • Whoa. Paramount has sold the movie production to 20th Century Fox, didn't they? Icon_wtf.gif

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    • Boomubbles wrote:Zombies do exist in the Avatarverse. Varrick mentioned zombie Amon in his tale of Bolin's life

      Did he now? Didn't remember that at all. Of course, this is Varrick.

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    • Ah... I almost forgot. Michal Schick had another exclusive interview, this time with Mike and Bryan,[1] where they look back at the series they created.

      In other news...

      Bryan Konietzko posted on tumblr:
      https://41.media.tumblr.com/73af45c24410ef54389fcd60b8cdc18f/tumblr_nvzkitj6cH1rptk5lo1_500.jpg
      Catching up to Inktober Day 9 with Wan vs. Vaatu. Sort of a prototype for an idea I’d like to do justice someday. Eh, it was fun to do.

      Still pushing for the Avatar Wan series, eh? Yeah, it'd be cool. Good luck.

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    • That is a really, really cool sketch, and I would love to see more Wan almost as much as I'd want to see more Korra or Aang.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Whoa. Paramount has sold the movie production to 20th Century Fox, didn't they? Icon_wtf.gif

      Stop projecting! Where's you're proof Paramount sold the movie production? Where is your proof that they're even considering producing the movie in the first place?

      Also, my favorite quote from the feed. Someone thanking you for reminding him he liked the movie back when he thought it was halfway decent so he can unlike it now.

      An Avatar Wan Series would be awesome, but probably not going to happen for the foreseeable future.

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    • That could be kind of cool to see what the humans did after the split. I'm kind of ambivalent toward Wan himself, but the time period should have some fun stuff to explore.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:

      Hasdi wrote:
      Whoa. Paramount has sold the movie production to 20th Century Fox, didn't they? Icon_wtf.gif

      Stop projecting! Where's you're proof Paramount sold the movie production? Where is your proof that they're even considering producing the movie in the first place?

      Also, my favorite quote from the feed. Someone thanking you for reminding him he liked the movie back when he thought it was halfway decent so he can unlike it now.

      An Avatar Wan Series would be awesome, but probably not going to happen for the foreseeable future.

      I was just going to ignore this, but if it's going to be a thing, Paramount has always co-produced Minority Report with Fox, so no fanciful story is needed to explain their connection.

      If you'll notice, it's kind of bombing. It's lost nearly 1/3 of its ratings, which weren't that high to begin with, in an astounding 3 episodes, & is panned by critics.

      Piggybacking on perhaps the most hated movie of all time is of course ironic & smacks of desperation, but the page does have a crap ton of likes* & the movie is enjoying some clickbait limelight right now, plus it costs little to post a thing on Failbook, so maybe they figure they have more to gain than to lose.

      • =Incidentally, did you know that counterfeit Failbook likes are a very big problem?
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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Ah... I almost forgot. Michal Schick had another exclusive interview, this time with Mike and Bryan,[1] where they look back at the series they created.


      So I finally got around to reading that interview. It's kinda interesting, really, reading about what they think and how they worked. Interviews like that are always rather interesting, at least to me.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      That could be kind of cool to see what the humans did after the split. I'm kind of ambivalent toward Wan himself, but the time period should have some fun stuff to explore.

      That would be very interesting but I'd rather it be two parts: before becoming Avatar (aka traveling to all the different Lion Turtles and seeing the different proto-cultures) and then after becoming Avatar.

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    • Nick has approved Dark Horse's Korra statue for production,[1] which can be yours on February 24, 2016 for a discounted pre-order price of $63.99.[2]

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRhKiPaWsAAqZiF.jpg

      The link also confirms that Aang statue (of which the prototype was shown at NYCC) has been also approved, hopefully, with the same low price.

      Hasdi wrote:
      Whoa. Paramount has sold the movie production to 20th Century Fox, didn't they? Icon_wtf.gif

      RaidenRadio wrote:

      Where's your proof Paramount sold the movie production? Where is your proof that they're even considering producing the movie in the first place?

      There's no proof that Paramount have sold the movie production to anyone (it would have been announced in the trades and press releases by now), but you are looking at some indication they are seriously working to produce the movie, and potentially sell it to Fox TV, Netflix, Syfy, etc., etc..

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Paramount has always co-produced Minority Report with Fox, so no fanciful story is needed to explain their connection.

      Ah... apparently, YOU need a fanciful story to explain their connection, which I am happy to provide. Icon_biggrin.gif

      Two years ago, Paramount revived their TV unit, whose modus operandi is to take over costly development of some movies at the film unit, and to redevelop them as TV shows[3] that Paramount can sell to TV networks, including digital ones like Netflix and Amazon. Paramount TV sold Minority Report to Fox TV last year.[4] They have also sold other TV shows for

      During earning calls, Viacom told investors that about 10 other film properties are also being looked at by the TV unit, but they did not reveal which ones. Does that include The Last Airbender 2? That project has a working script, and have been developing at Paramount for 5+ years. If the film unit is not going to put the sequel into production, aren't they financially obligated to a) let the TV unit try to take a crack at it (with less development money), or b) cut their losses by selling the development to another studio like Aversano's kidrobot?[9]

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      If you'll notice, [Minority Report TV series] is kind of bombing. It's lost nearly 1/3 of its ratings. ... Piggybacking on perhaps the most hated movie of all time is of course ironic & smacks of desperation.

      Yes... Minority Report is the first show from Paramount TV since it was revived, so its very existence depends on the show's success. In their desperation, the TV unit revealed a list of facebook pages of Paramount films that they have taken over from the film unit (but have yet to sell other networks), which they used to share that Minority Report promo video:

      • The Last Airbender
      • Project Almanac
      • Cloverfield
      • Super 8
      • Collateral
      • Harlem Nights
      • Coming to America
      • Hustle & Flow
      • A.I. Artificial Intelligence
      • Flight Movie
      • Top Five
      • A Thousand Words

      What do these films have in common? They are all rejects from the film unit. Some of those films made just enough for a follow-up, but not enough to greenlight them with the money at hand. Some films were meant to be one-off. All have potential to be developed as a TV show. Remember IGN's interview with M.Night (arranged by FoxTV for Wayward Pines)?[10]

      "Could you do a six-episode Unbreakable series on Netflix or HBO? Yeah! That's cool. I even had an idea of doing a story that goes in one form, and a second part that's in another form, and a third one's in a different form. You never do the same form. It would be like, movie, then, let's say, cable, to TV, whatever, and then a play; it goes straight online, and it finishes like that. It's in four different forms, and it never goes back to the old one. It could be kind of cool."
      — M. Night Shyamalan

      That idea... you weren't talking about Unbreakable TV series... were you, M.Night? Isn't it curious that Fox TV let IGN post "his defense" on The Last Airbender two days later?[11] Icon_shifty.gif

      "So, you know, these are business propositions, which have very little interest to me, of like, 'Hey, the business proposition is to get Megan Fox to be...' You know, 'You should age it 'til it's that.' That wasn't the source material, you know what I mean? Whereas, also, like a Transformers, it's really fascinating, because it's valid for Transformers. You know why it's valid? Because it's the little boys that were playing with them are grown up now. They're the ones who wanted to see Megan Fox. That's absolutely appropriate, you know what I mean?""
      — M. Night Shyamalan

      The "business proposition" is from the film unit, to sex-up TLA2 to align with the new image of Nickelodeon Movies like Fun Size, TMNT and Spongebob 2. His meeting with Paramount went something like this:

      To which, M.Night said "no, thank you" so TLA2 joined other rejects to be developed as TV shows, waiting to be picked up by some network. It won't have the budget of a summer movie, so VFX is going to suck, but at least we would have a sequel or two. But then, Paramount called him back so he confirmed his involvement to Metro UK a few weeks later...

      Speaking of "failbook",

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRndEZMUkAAq8IE.jpg
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    • Awful lot of words to say that nobody's picked up Last Airbender 2.

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    • Nope, but at least we know it's not DEAD. Syfy showed some interest to develop TV sequels for TLA (like they did with House of the Dead 2, Dungeons & Dragons 2, Lake Placid, etc., etc.) but Paramount couldn't make the deal. For now, it's being actively developed at Paramount with M.Night attached to head it up.

      In other news, Avatar: The Last Airbender: Legacy was released two weeks early. I just got my copy. Did you know each element has a season that gives the bender of that element increased power, e.g., Autumn for Airbenders? Looks like things didn't work out between Suki and Sokka. Icon_eh.gif

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    • You say it's not dead at least once a week, I always point out how there's literally no indication of any development beyond hearsay, yet you continue to insist it's right around the corner. You've been doing this for as long as I've been on this site. At this point, I believe in the predictions of Nostradamus, the Rapture, Aunt Wu, & the Mayan 2012 Apocalypse more than your claim that the movie isn't dead.

      The season thing was already known & according to Amazon, my copy should arrive by 8 PM tomorrow.

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    • Movies in development are never dead, even if they take decades to be picked up for production. Sin Ciy 2 took 9 years. Spongebob 2 took 11 years. Mad Max 4 took 17 years. A movie is confirmed dead once the studio and/or IP owners announce it like [1] but if TLA2 is dead to you, then so it is. I can only say it is "right around the corner" once a studio announce a release date.

      I missed this one: Smoke and Shadow Part 1 ends on #2 on NYTIMES bestseller,[2] beating the new Star Wars graphic novel at #3.

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    • Glad to see Smoke & Shadow doing so well. #2 on the NYT Bestsellers list is a pretty good achievement IMHO for the comic, especially given how long it's been since ATLA ended.

      Also, that Korra statue looks awesome. I want it.

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    • Semantic dispute.

      • If you define a movie is alive only if it has been picked up for production, then TLA2 is dead since 2009. It is confirmed alive when the studio announces a release date or something.
      • If you define a movie is alive if is in development or production, then TLA2 is very much alive (with M.Night confirmed to head it up) like Tintin 2, Transformers 5, and Battle Angel Alita. Money, time, and studio resources are still spent for development, albeit much less than production.
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    • That Korra statue looks a bit off to me, like it doesn't have her feistiness. Granted, the Lin statue itself looked it like much younger Lin in the photos. The Aang Tribute statue put out previously by Dark Horse was great so I'll probably pick up this one too since there just really isn't anything out there.

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    • Having received Legacy, I'm not even remotely surprised to find that it doesn't say anything about Sokka & Suki breaking up.

      It has some interesting tidbits here & there. Not really "new information," but solidifying things we sort of already knew. For example, the page on earthbending confirms that earthbending indeed builds muscle. And the framing device means we can sort of see what Sokka's, Aang's, & Katara's personalities were like in their middle ages, which is cool.

      But it's an awful lot of recapping the show, which is kind of dull if you ask me. The art is good, but probably not as good as what would be in an art book. Though a lot less expensive, so that's a fair trade-off.

      I'd say the biggest draw are the collectibles. It either shows or has pull out versions of most of the flyers the Gaang encounter; an ad for the Jasmine Dragon, Appa's wanted poster, the Ember Island Players & Fire Festival ads, etc.

      I do not find myself seized by Buyer's Remorse.

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    • The book is pretty cheap compared to similar Avatar products, but largely just geared towards the younger demographic. I would love a print of the cover picture.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote: Having received Legacy, I'm not even remotely surprised to find that it doesn't say anything about Sokka & Suki breaking up.

      It has some interesting tidbits here & there. Not really "new information," but solidifying things we sort of already knew.

      But it's an awful lot of recapping the show, which is kind of dull if you ask me.

      That's underwhelming to hear.

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    • Underwhelming, yes. However, it is IMO not even remotely surprising considering the context of Legacy, being that it is IIRC written by Aang for Tenzin, so something like Sokka and Suki's relationship, which we care about but is at best only tangentially related to those things that would be a direct concern to Aang vis-a-vis Tenzin and the Air Nomad culture, isn't something that Aang IMO would have deemed important enough to relate to Tenzin.

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    • That's not why I wasn't surprised, I wasn't surprised because Hasdi implied it was in there, therefore it was probably false.

      I'm fairly satisfied with it. It advertised itself as mainly commemorative, & I think it went a little beyond that.

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    • ATLA:Legacy does not have much new information for ATLA fans... because the target audience is for Korra fans who have yet seen ATLA. The book was announced in mid-June 2014 (just before Korra Book 3) and originally scheduled for Oct 14, 2014. Sadly with the ratings, Paramount had to change their plans to promote ATLA, so they released the book a week after ATLA boxset (which also targeted for new ATLA fans).

      Review on Rotoscopers.com:[1]
      Previous DVD releases had major flaws in video quality, notably banding and oversaturated colors. These issues are not fixed in this release despite the fact, if one watches the series digitally on Amazon, they are corrected. As mentioned before, these disks are literally the exact same ones from previous DVD releases, hence nothing is fixed or improved. Nonetheless, it’s frustrating Nickelodeon would even waste time re-releasing the series and put almost zero effort into it. (Then again, based on how the network treated the Avatar spin-off series, The Legend of Korra, this isn’t really surprising.)

      I suppose we can all take comfort that no matter what M.Night has done with his movie, the original ATLA series remains unruined and untouched. .____.


      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I'm not even remotely surprised to find that it doesn't say anything about Sokka & Suki breaking up.

      What you see depends on what you look for. Did you find anything that says about Sokka & Suki remaining together? http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd378/ketekbau/Emoticon/kedip.gif Check out page 34-35.

      • "When we were young, the Kyoshi Warriors were led by Suki, and your Uncle Sokka WAS smitten."
        He WAS smitten? Is he still smitten (at the time the book was "written")? Did Suki die or something?
      • "Suki IS the leader of the Kyoshi Wariors..."
        Ah, so she is still alive at the time.
      • "She had skills that your Uncle Sokka could only have dreamed of, and they WERE an amazing team together."
        Are they still an amazing team? Together?

      The point is Suki and Sokka pairing is not a sure thing. Michael Teitelbaum wrote ATLA: Legacy while leaving room for Gene Yang to work with in his graphic novels (sort of like how Korra Book 3/4 side-step the question of Izumi's mother). Suki and Sokka could break up in Smoke and Shadow and it would not contradict anything in ATLA: Legacy. On the other hand, Gene Yang could still change his mind and have them remain together.

      But I don't really care about the shipping isues as much as this:

      • "Avatar Kyoshi ORIGINALLY put this team of elite warriors together to protect her homeland, Kyoshi Island."
        We know this to be true because this team has been repurposed to protect their new homeland, the Fire Nation. What better way to emphasis the Japan aspect of the Fire Nation than to incorporate Japanese-based Kyoshi Warriors into their society? Icon_mrgreen.gif

      I'd talk about how ATLA boxset and ATLA: Legacy is tied to TLA2 development at Paramount TV unit... but I figure you'd be more interested to know if the stories that Mike and Bryan developed for Paramount Animation had joined other rejects at the TV unit. We might just get Korra movie after all, direct-to-video or streamed on Amazon Prime.[2]

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    • Animated movie or live action?

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    • Bryke's movies would be animated. M.Night's movies would be live action. Welcome to development hell.

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    • What you see depends on what you look for.

      No, going in "looking for" evidence of a preconceived conclusion is called making shit up. This is why your "theories" never pan out. You interpret the facts based on your conclusion, rather than basing your conclusion on the facts.

      Did you find anything that says about Sokka & Suki remaining together?

      Appeal to ignorance. Point of fact, the book says very little about families besides Aang's.

      Check out page 34-35.

      Page 12: "After the war, Katara & I eventually began dating, and we eventually got married."

      ZOMG "GOT MARRIED"!? PAST TENSE!? DID THEY GET A DIVORCE OH EM GEE?!

      No, that's stupid, past tense is used because it's an event which occurred in the past. I bet a monkey could figure that out.

      The point is Suki and Sokka pairing is not a sure thing.

      Possibility fallacy.

      On the other hand, Gene Yang could still change his mind and have them remain together.

      There's no evidence that there's any plan to split them up, you liar.

      We know this to be true because this team has been repurposed to protect their new homeland, the Fire Nation.

      No, for the same reasons.

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    • It could be interesting to see a one shot conflict in LoK over the course of a 1-2 hour movie. Show a little bit of the Korra x Asami Spirit World vacation, something happens, and we have a conflict to resolve. The Spirit World could be some fun eye candy for a feature with the upped animation quality.

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    • It would, but there's no evidence of that either. I know this thread is called "Rumors & Upates," but I don't think that's intended to count literally any random claim that someone (Hasdi) makes.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Show a little bit of the Korra x Asami Spirit World vacation, something happens, and we have a conflict to resolve.

      It'd be nice, but that's already redundant with the upcoming Korra comics. The network doesn't have room for more ATLA/Korra in their programming, so demands for any new Avatar-related episodes or TV movie specials have to come from outside Viacom (sold via Paramount TV unit). When ATLA/Korra were taken off Nicktoons back in May, that leaves Amazon with exclusive streaming rights (and nick.com only airing rotating epidoes). Not Netflix. Not Hulu. Book 1-3 is free for Amazon Prime viewers in America.[1] The viewers in UK can see Book 1-4 for free,[2] so I suppose UK will get the Korra boxset sooner than America. xP

      Can we expect Amazon to order more episodes and/or specials to compete with Netflix and Hulu? With Judy McGrath (a major supporter of Korra back in her days heading up MTV Networks) on the board of Amazon,[3] why not? Of course, she would have to get past this scene in Book 3 .

      https://38.media.tumblr.com/dc168947271d3c4912205dc122bb6383/tumblr_n9ytpezZRu1tvrp49o4_250.gif
      Hasdi wrote:
      Gene Yang could still change his mind and have them remain together.
      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      There's no evidence that there's any plan to split them up, you liar.

      Ah... so eager to discredit my integrity that you can't even perceive the Suki-Zuko trajectory. The stage is set, the players positioned. The torpedo is locked and loaded, with the course set for Sokka-Suki ship. Gene Yang only need to pull the trigger.

      https://38.media.tumblr.com/43844ce2e3bf272342c4946b5517fbe7/tumblr_nphb9i6uMs1qksk74o1_500.gif
      I know this thread is called "Rumors & Upates," but I don't think that's intended to count literally any random claim that someone (Hasdi) makes.

      But it's ok to accept any random claim that haters come up with to justify their attack on M.Night? Do you have any idea how upsetting it is when people talk about shit they know very little about? Icon_wtf.gif

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    • Ah... so eager to discredit my integrity that you can't even perceive the Suki-Zuko trajectory.

      What integrity? That's like the end of the rainbow, many have looked, but it remains elusive. Of course I know what the Suki-Zuko shippers point to, but predicting a scenario based on information=/=the prediction is true.

      Also, never mind Zuko's completely disinterested response when asked if Suki is pretty.

      But it's ok to accept any random claim that haters come up with to justify their attack on M.Night?

      You are literally the only person in this thread who even wants to talk about M. Night.

      But smart money says that whatever claims you're complaining about are probably true.

      Do you have any idea how upsetting it is when people talk about shit they know very little about?

      That's nearly every single time you say something.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      But smart money says that whatever claims you're complaining about are probably true.

      As you can see, possibly fallacy works well if it confirms your bias.

      In the mean time, I'm gonna re-calibrate my crystal ball for a better reception. Icon_biggrin.gif

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    • What I can see is you proving my point.

      A possibility fallacy is when you appeal to a remote possibility of something being true as proof that it will. You being full of crap is not a remote possibility, it's a frequent occurrence.

      But you say that's just my "confirmation bias." Okay, well luckily for you, my claim is falsifiable: All you have to do is provide examples of where I claimed a source of yours didn't say what you claimed it did, & you went on to produce the quote in question. By which I mean the actual quote. No "well, if you interpret it this way--"

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    • I saw the preview for Smoke and Shadow part 2. Sokka & Katara have an Aunt. I want who she is. is she their dad sister or mom sister.

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    • In recent days, Nickelodeon gave a serious promotional boost to The Legend of Korra on twitter, facebook and tumblr. Even ATLA facebook is helping out.

      The last image is particularly interesting because I don't recall seeing Asami in that costume. Maybe it's a unused pre-production artwork from Book 1 when Asami was originally conceived as an Equalist spy? Idontknow.gif

      As mentioned by TBL, CBR has an exclusive 6-page preview for Smoke and Shadow Part 2, which will be out on December 16 in comic book outlets and December 29 on mass market retailers like Amazon and Walmart. Looks like Sokka is going far, far away. This leaves Suki... by Zuko's side... for an extended period of time... Icon_shifty.gif

      All this after Viacom reported disappointing financials last week,[8] so Nickelodeon has to step up and get their shit together to sell more ads and produce more new content. Paramount is not looking good but Viacom declined calls to sell it to another bigger studio. Instead they are looking ways to increase the film output, including sharing costs with other studios like MGM and Universal. Paramount Animation is also not as dead as I thought,[9] but move forward with "creatively budgeted" solutions. Apparently, the play is one Paramount Animation and one Nickelodeon Movie per year.

      Year Paramount Animation Nickelodeon Movies
      2016
      The Little Prince
      TMNT 2
      2017
      Monster Trucks
      TBD
      2018
      Sherlock Gnomes
      TBD
      2019
      Amusement Park
      Spongebob 3
      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      A possibility fallacy is when you appeal to a remote possibility of something being true as proof that it will.

      The possibility of Suki-Zuko pairing is not remote. Even then, any prediction is not proof. The possibility of Transformers 5 moving into production is very high but Paramount has yet greenlit it and set the release date. Why get fussy over Suki? It's not as if M.Night will quit on TLA2 if my prediction turn out to be wrong. It will, however, impact the script for TLA2, in which Kyoshi Warriors supposedly will be helping refugees get into Ba Sing Se. Unlike the show, the Kyoshi Warriors will be affiliated with the Fire Nation and helping refugees from the Fire Nation. Gene Yang already explained their Fire Nation connection. What he hasn't explained yet is why would Suki pledge her allegiance (or form a permanent alliance) with Fire Nation under Zuko's rule. A cliche approach is to have her fall for Zuko. I'd like to see if he can do better.

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    • Why get fussy over Suki? It's not as if M.Night will quit on TLA2 if my prediction turn out to be wrong

      The problem is that YOU LIED. You said that Legacy revealed Sokka & Suki split up. It said no such thing. And this is just the latest in a long line of cases of you claiming a source says something that it doesn't, so this is no honest mistake.

      Am I the only one who notices that lying is against the rules?

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    • I've noticed the recent promotional boost for LoK and I'm kind of wondering why this is happening now.

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    • Probably to keep up interest for the upcoming comics.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      The problem is that YOU LIED. You said that Legacy revealed Sokka & Suki split up.

      No, I didn't. I would think resorting to straw man is beneath you.

      Hasdi wrote:
      Looks like things didn't work out between Suki and Sokka. Icon_eh.gif

      Perhaps you prefer I use a different emoticon to convey suspicion? Like this one Eusa_think.gif


      Hanabi-chan wrote:
      I've noticed the recent promotional boost for LoK and I'm kind of wondering why this is happening now.

      I have some ideas but with the restructuring earlier this year, Viacom reshuffled their deck of cards, so we have to wait and see how they play them out to form solid predictions. With new management, Korra IP might not be as unwanted as it was a year ago. Also, there was a recent surge of signing with this "Pick up the Avatar franchise and release as a Netflix Original Series" petition. Back in January, it was nearing 5000 signatures.[1] Last week, it hit 15,000 signatures.[2] Right now, it is about 45,000 signatures. Perhaps Nick is having second thoughts about not ordering more Korra episodes. I don't see Nick sending this to Netflix (due to corporate issues) but Amazon Prime is more likely. We'll see. Idontknow.gif

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    • In my experience. Petitions do little if anything to change company decisions or opinions. If petitions could change company opinions, then the upcoming live action Ghost In The Shell Movie would have cast an Asian American actress and not Blonde and Busty Girl Model #223. 

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    • If I say, "Looks like it's raining," I'm clearly saying that I can see rain. I'm not saying, "I wonder if it's going to rain" or "I think it will rain," I'm saying it--IS--raining.

      And once again, this is a regular occurrence. In this thread alone, this is AT LEAST the 3rd time I've bothered to check 1 of your sources & found out, to my complete lack of surprise, it DIDN'T say what you claim it did.

      And guess what? I don't even LOOK AT most of your links!

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    • I have to agree with Raido's point on petitions. Even if millions sign it, nobody has to do anything about more LoK. Petitions in these cases mostly just exist for the purpose of alerting people that the fandom wants something. Granted, I still sometimes sign these petitions anyway but I never get my hopes up about anything.

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    • To avoid potential spoilers I'd avoid reading this apge for a while. But is'nt the release date for Msoke & shadow part 2 the 23rd, not the 16th?

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    • I think I remember hearing that it was pushed back to December 29. At least that's what the article says.

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    • I updated the article Smoke and Shadow Part 2. The book is available on comic book outlets on December 16 and on mass market retailers on December 29. If you want to get it sooner, order on TFAW. If you are willing to wait 2 more weeks, order on Amazon, Barnes&Noble, etc., etc..

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    • Which is why I said "at least that's what the article says". While Avatar Wiki is pretty good at keeping the information accurate, this does not mean that everything is always 100% correct. Thank you Hasdi for the clarification.

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    • Nick just cracked my crystal ball.[1] http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/45.gif Some highlights from today's course-changing announcement:

      • Nick developing a new TV movie based on old animated TV series 'Hey Arnold'.
      • Old animated TV series like “Ren & Stimpy” “Rocko’s Modern Life” or “The Wild Thornberrys” could be rebooted and made "appealing and thrilling for today’s audience". Even "Doug" could rebooted, even though the rights is currently with Disney. Nick is also open to reviving classic live-action series, not just animation.
      • 13 new animated projects in production and “over 40 things in development", not just reboots of old stuff.
      • Nickelodeon "is up for trying anything" from digital shorts to projects with Paramount.
      • Nick's "crown jewels" are still Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, SpongeBob SquarePants and Dora The Explorer. In that order.

      Nick Animation Studio is all excited about the prospect of having more "nicktoons", [2] whatever that means. Does that include Korra? It would explain the recent promotional boost. Eusa_think.gif

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    • For the love of god, Nick, leave Doug alone! Please. Desecrate the football head all you want, I don't care. But leave Doug alone! Besides, Disney's got him and I bet they ain't sharing :Judging by the average fare on Nick and CN nowadays, they don't need to do anything to Ren & Stimpy, it's already idiotic enough to fit right in with the tripe they're cranking out these days. 

      As for the remote possibility of more Korra, I would love that, but I'm not holding my breath.

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    • Yes, I had heard that they were trying to reboot Hey Arnold! which makes sense, because there were a few more spinoffs planned that never materialized. So that finally came full circle, huh?

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    • Bring back Ren & Stimpy and Rocko. Genius cartoon production.

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    • I heard about Hey Arnold! and I find this to be interesting. Since they are considering more shorts, maybe they'll do something else like Republic City Hustle.

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    • Viacom also issued a press release yesterday, which shifted the balance of power at Nickelodeon. Sanjay and Craig's producer Chris Viscardi has been promoted to a newly created Senior VP position of "Nickelodeon Franchise Properties, Content Development". He is tasked to oversee Nick's crown jewels (TMNT, Spongebob and Dora franchise) and reboot old shows for today’s audiences. I can see Chibi Avatar or Republic City Hustle kind of stuff to happen under his direction. He is also tasked to explore partnership opportunities with Paramount, which is interesting because I only know of 3 IPs that Paramount and Nick are currently working together on: TMNT, Spongebob and The Last Airbender...

      Doug's rights may have reverted back to co-creator Jim Jinkins. Disney acquired Jimkin's production company Jumbo Pictures back in 1996,[1] which is presumably how Disney (indirectly) owned the rights to Doug. When Disney closed Jumbo Pictures in 2001, Jinkins must have taken the rights with him, which explains his reply in the 2013 interview:

      Is there any other TV show or movie you've done that you'd like to see revived?
      -
      If Nickelodeon were to take up production of Doug again, I think a lot of people would go crazy. It's like, bikers that come up and squeeze my hand, and crush it, and go, "Hey man. Big brother. Doug was my whole life when I was a little kid." I think it would be fun to do something like that again.

      In his interview a few months back, it sounds like Jinkins it still interested to bring Doug back. Can Viscardi make it happen? Eusa_think.gif

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    • Relevant to the Doug Discussion

      Nick was planning to produce another theatrical Hey Arnold movie before the project was cancelled.

      I really hope Nick sees the potential in Korra or ATLA and makes an animated movie or reboots the live action movie into something even halfway watchable.

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    • This "partnership opportunities" will have Nick producing stuff on the television side and Paramount on the theatrical side. It would be similar to the cross-promotional effort with the TMNT franchise, with Nick producing the CG-animated series (and the recent Half Shell Heroes 2D-animated series) and Paramount the Michael Bay's movie adaptation starring Megan Fox. Icon_yawn.gif

      Any notion that Nick can justify making ATLA/Korra TV shorts/episodes/specials without movie studio partnership DIED after Brown Johnson was fired, despite the phenomenal ratings of Korra Book 1. The production cost of Korra Book 1 is as high as $8,400,000[1] but that can be easily justified with the alleged $130,000,000 marketing budget for the first movie.[2] Even if Paramount has that kind of money for the second movie, they still expect M.Night to be chaperoned on big budget projects. For the first movie, his handler is Frank Marshall. For After Earth, it's Will Smith. If Frank Marshal is too busy with Star Wars, Assassin's Creed, The BFG, Jurassic World 2, etc., etc.. to care about TLA2, that leaves us with Michael Bay. I'm not liking the odds. Icon_sad.gif

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    • Happy Thanksgiving... from our sneaky friends at Zwyer Industries. xP

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUtE4HjW4AA4tAt.jpg
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    • Okay if that statue is for sale I will buy it.

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    • As a follow-up to my earlier post, 7 years ago from today, M.Night announced the cast for Aang, Katara, Sokka and Zuko.[1] Due to California law, any contracts with Noah Ringer, Nicola Peltz, Jackson Rathbone would have expired by now. Jesse McCartney bailed after the racebending backlash, so Dev Patel's contract is yet to expire. TLA2 would require some recast, but it is likely that Paramount already negotiated new contracts with key cast and crew a few months back.[2] TMNT 2 trailer is out[3] and the cast/crew confirmed that they are taking it to a different direction than TMNT 1[4]. Judging from a close-up of Megan Fox's cleavage in the trailer, it looks like Paramount is keeping the sexed-up tone with Nickelodeon Movies label, which would compromise M.Night's vision with TLA2 if produced under the same label. But at least we can expect a PG-13 rating.

      In other news, Bryan reblogged this "Epic" post yesterday on tumblr.

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/b37c601eab5624320623e01d44e45577/tumblr_nxu4frYzXL1r00wjho1_500.png


      Grapes still a little sour, Bryan? Icon_lolno.gif

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    • I apologise in advance, I think this will come across as harsh and blunt. The amount of people who still care about M. Night, Megax Fox, TMNT, and Paramount in this wiki is still limited to just you essentially. These are tangentially connected to ATLA and LOK at best. If you're not going to post news on topics people here actually care about and want to hear, like comics, please don't post news at all.

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    • Hasdi

      Hey, thanks for the info. Keep it coming.

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    • Slaphappyjoy wrote:

      Hasdi

      Hey, thanks for the info. Keep it coming.

      I'll admit to being tempted to throw some of your own choice words back at you, highlighting a bit of hypocrisy, but I won't.

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    • Omnibender wrote:

      Slaphappyjoy wrote:

      Hasdi

      Hey, thanks for the info. Keep it coming.

      I'll admit to being tempted to throw some of your own choice words back at you, highlighting a bit of hypocrisy, but I won't.

      Well, now that you've said that, I'm obviously curious at what you were going to say.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Omnibender wrote:

      Slaphappyjoy wrote:

      Hasdi

      Hey, thanks for the info. Keep it coming.

      I'll admit to being tempted to throw some of your own choice words back at you, highlighting a bit of hypocrisy, but I won't.

      Well, now that you've said that, I'm obviously curious at what you were going to say.

      You actually know the words. You've called him out on them recently.

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    • I think that Bryan just reblogged that fan-made poster because he liked the artwork/idea behind it. I've seen him reblog a lot of fan art that he likes.

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    • The "hahaha" is probably referring to the dig at the movie, but so what? Not like Hasdi's fond of saying shit like "fuck the haters" or anything.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Not like Hasdi's fond of saying shit like "fuck the haters" or anything.

      Unlike me, Bryan is on Nick's payroll to oversee ongoing development of ATLA/Korra. His corporate license to bash the movie and M.Night was revoked since the Viacom restructuring. In any case, Bryan didn't fire the first shot. He reblogged it from Giancarlo Volpe, an ATLA alumni.

      See, with most the crew (and Studio Mir) left to work on "Korra 2.0" project with DreamWorks, Giancarlo is uniquely qualified to work on a follow-up animated TV series/movies with Mike and Bryan. He produced for WB a short-lived but well-received CG series Green Lantern: The Animated Series, so a CG-based ATLA/Korra show would complement other action-comedy Nick shows like TMNT and Kung Fu Panda. However, a costly production like that would require promo partners with deeper pockets than Dark Horse Comics (hint, hint). I suspect that Nick already tapped him in a few months back,[1] and moving forward to do some animated TV movie that fans deserve.[2]

      https://36.media.tumblr.com/c983452dc5fbc120cd841097b2b6229b/tumblr_nz49jrtTDw1s9kaljo1_250.jpg

      All this happened on December 9th, 2015, the last day Paramount can exercise the option for Noah, Nicola and Rathbone. On that same day, Paramount freed up M.Night's schedule so that FOX TV can him return to executive produce Season 2 of Wayward Pines,[3] scheduled for Summer 2016. This makes it near-impossible for him to direct TLA2 in early 2016. The project is still live, but it's not like you care about the details.

      Of course, I could very well be wrong with my speculations, in which case Bryan is fucked.

      Omnibender wrote:
      [M. Night, Megax Fox, TMNT, and Paramount] are tangentially connected to ATLA and LOK at best. If you're not going to post news on topics people here actually care about and want to hear, like comics, please don't post news at all.

      Just because you don't (and won't) see the connection, does not mean there isn't one or merely tangential. Although, there is a piece of news that I know you would be interested in: Korra and ATLA is ranked #3 and #4 of the most reblogged TV series for 2015 on tumblr.[4]

      Most Reblogged Animated TV

      The top shows you tooned into. Hehehe. Heh. sigh…

      1. Steven Universe
      2. Gravity Falls
      3. The Legend of Korra
      4. Avatar: The Last Airbender
      5. Bob’s Burgers
      6. Spongebob Squarepants
      7. The Simpsons
      8. Over the Garden Wall
      9. Adventure Time
      10. Rick and Morty
      11. Star vs. the Forces of Evil
      12. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
      13. Teen Titans
      14. We Bare Bears
      15. The Powerpuff Girls
      16. Danny Phantom
      17. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
      18. Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir
      19. South Park
      20. Invader Zim

      TMNT is ranked much lower than ATLA/Korra, despite the latter has been off air for almost a year. Nick knows that ATLA/Korra has the strongest fanbase among its IPs, including TMNT. So why does Nickelodeon spend less on ATLA/Korra but so much more on TMNT? If fans can accept the harsh reality of showbiz, they already know the answer to that, and we won't have thinkpieces like "The Strange, Sad Abuse Of 'The Last Airbender' And 'The Legend of Korra'" and "When Will Nickelodeon Strive Again For the Heights of ‘Avatar’ and ‘Legend of Korra?’."

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    • Hasdi wrote:

      Omnibender wrote:
      [M. Night, Megax Fox, TMNT, and Paramount] are tangentially connected to ATLA and LOK at best. If you're not going to post news on topics people here actually care about and want to hear, like comics, please don't post news at all.

      Just because you don't (and won't) see the connection, does not mean there isn't one or merely tangential.

      [...]

      Nick knows that ATLA/Korra has the strongest fanbase among its IPs, including TMNT. So why does Nickelodeon spend less on ATLA/Korra but so much more on TMNT? If fans can accept the harsh reality of showbiz, they already know the answer to that, and we won't have thinkpieces like "The Strange, Sad Abuse Of 'The Last Airbender' And 'The Legend of Korra'" and "When Will Nickelodeon Strive Again For the Heights of ‘Avatar’ and ‘Legend of Korra?’."

      There are no connections. What you try to do is akin to trying to divine global economy trends from animal entrails. You're this place's equivalent of the weird guy downtown who shouts "the end is coming" to anyone willing to listen. The harsh reality is that the system is broken. If they think a series' success is measured in toy sales, they're doing it wrong. Probably a bunch of backwards old people who refuse to get with the times, and then complain the way they've always done things doesn't work. They think animation is something only children consume. What people in charge of western animation need to do is learn from the anime industry, who put out things children most definitely aren't or shouldn't be watching, yet thrive like western animation rarely does.

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    • Omnibender wrote:

      Hasdi wrote:

      Omnibender wrote:
      [M. Night, Megax Fox, TMNT, and Paramount] are tangentially connected to ATLA and LOK at best. If you're not going to post news on topics people here actually care about and want to hear, like comics, please don't post news at all.

      Just because you don't (and won't) see the connection, does not mean there isn't one or merely tangential.

      [...]

      Nick knows that ATLA/Korra has the strongest fanbase among its IPs, including TMNT. So why does Nickelodeon spend less on ATLA/Korra but so much more on TMNT? If fans can accept the harsh reality of showbiz, they already know the answer to that, and we won't have thinkpieces like "The Strange, Sad Abuse Of 'The Last Airbender' And 'The Legend of Korra'" and "When Will Nickelodeon Strive Again For the Heights of ‘Avatar’ and ‘Legend of Korra?’."

      There are no connections. What you try to do is akin to trying to divine global economy trends from animal entrails. You're this place's equivalent of the weird guy downtown who shouts "the end is coming" to anyone willing to listen. The harsh reality is that the system is broken. If they think a series' success is measured in toy sales, they're doing it wrong. Probably a bunch of backwards old people who refuse to get with the times, and then complain the way they've always done things doesn't work. They think animation is something only children consume. What people in charge of western animation need to do is learn from the anime industry, who put out things children most definitely aren't or shouldn't be watching, yet thrive like western animation rarely does.


      How tv channels make money IS from the advertisements.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:
      is Smoke and Shadow part 1 out online? I want to read it.

      Just buy it on amazon or at the store, supporting the series legally. It's only $8 at the most.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      In recent days, Nickelodeon gave a serious promotional boost to The Legend of Korra on twitter, facebook and tumblr. Even ATLA facebook is helping out.

      The last image is particularly interesting because I don't recall seeing Asami in that costume. Maybe it's a unused pre-production artwork from Book 1 when Asami was originally conceived as an Equalist spy? Idontknow.gif

      As mentioned by TBL, CBR has an exclusive 6-page preview for Smoke and Shadow Part 2, which will be out on December 16 in comic book outlets and December 29 on mass market retailers like Amazon and Walmart. Looks like Sokka is going far, far away. This leaves Suki... by Zuko's side... for an extended period of time... Icon_shifty.gif

      All this after Viacom reported disappointing financials last week,[8] so Nickelodeon has to step up and get their shit together to sell more ads and produce more new content. Paramount is not looking good but Viacom declined calls to sell it to another bigger studio. Instead they are looking ways to increase the film output, including sharing costs with other studios like MGM and Universal. Paramount Animation is also not as dead as I thought,[9] but move forward with "creatively budgeted" solutions. Apparently, the play is one Paramount Animation and one Nickelodeon Movie per year.

      Year Paramount Animation Nickelodeon Movies
      2016
      The Little Prince
      TMNT 2
      2017
      Monster Trucks
      TBD
      2018
      Sherlock Gnomes
      TBD
      2019
      Amusement Park
      Spongebob 3


      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      A possibility fallacy is when you appeal to a remote possibility of something being true as proof that it will.
      The possibility of Suki-Zuko pairing is not remote. Even then, any prediction is not proof. The possibility of Transformers 5 moving into production is very high but Paramount has yet greenlit it and set the release date. Why get fussy over Suki? It's not as if M.Night will quit on TLA2 if my prediction turn out to be wrong. It will, however, impact the script for TLA2, in which Kyoshi Warriors supposedly will be helping refugees get into Ba Sing Se. Unlike the show, the Kyoshi Warriors will be affiliated with the Fire Nation and helping refugees from the Fire Nation. Gene Yang already explained their Fire Nation connection. What he hasn't explained yet is why would Suki pledge her allegiance (or form a permanent alliance) with Fire Nation under Zuko's rule. A cliche approach is to have her fall for Zuko. I'd like to see if he can do better.


      Novody said TLA2 would feature the Kyoshi associated with the fire nation. Shyamalan has never mentioned TLA2 in the past 4 years. You are lying your butt off.

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    • Smoke and Shadow Part 3 is out today at comic book stores. Discussion on this thread.

      But wait, there's more! Dark Horse will give away a Korra short story for all-ages on Free Comic Book Day 2016! Icon_mrgreen.gif Written by Michael Dante DiMartino.

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/c5b5b359e89e156e4e6582bf0acd4efb/tumblr_inline_nzgtea6HJV1r7w6tu_250.jpg
      Omnibender wrote:
      The harsh reality is that the system is broken. If they think a series' success is measured in toy sales, they're doing it wrong. Probably a bunch of backwards old people who refuse to get with the times, and then complain the way they've always done things doesn't work.

      I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm telling you how the system works, not how it should work. Like or not, these "backwards old people" get to decide how Viacom's money should be spent. Not Mike and Bryan. Not even M.Night.

      Christopher John Farley wrote on the Wall Street Journal:
      Cyma Zarghami, president of the Nickelodeon/MTVN Kids and Family Group, says Nickelodeon spends $600,000-$700,000 per episode to make its animated shows [like The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra]. The network's computer-animated offerings [like TMNT and Kung Fu Panda] are "a bit more expensive," she says.

      Have you seen the recent ratings for TMNT? They have been progressively lower than Korra Book 3, but Nick still went ahead with 20 episodes for TMNT Season 5 a few months ago.[1] If a TMNT episode is more expensive than a Korra episode, how could Nick afford to air them on premium timeslots with low ratings (hence lower advertising revenue)? EASY: the production was *subsidized* by the merchandise licensing AND Michael Bay's movies that star Megan Fox.

      What does ATLA/Korra has to subsidize the episodes? Right now, just the graphic novels and a very limited/niche merchandising. Take for instance, the comic book sales for Smoke and Shadow Part 1, which is 5,536 for September[2] and 580 for October[3]. Let's say Dark Horse pays Nick a ridiculous amount of $10.99 for each comic sold, so that's $67,214.84. Let's say Part 2 and Part 3 get the same amount, which gives us a grand total of $201,644.52. That's about a third of the "$600,000-$700,000" cost to produce an episode, so that entitles us to a 7-minute online ATLA/Korra video per year. -__-

      The alternative, is to cut production costs with simpler/cheaper animation as done with Sanjay and Craig. The animation style proposed in the Avatar Wan "pilot" is cheaper but not enough.

      Fomxcloud wrote:
      Shyamalan has never mentioned TLA2 in the past 4 years.

      Yes, he did. Icon_yawn.gif He confirmed he will be behind TLA2 to Metro UK back in September. Moreover, I think he knew that he will be involved back in July. Check out the video @ 10:25 mark

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    • Hasdi

      Generally, you post somewhat reliable material, but at your mark in your video reference Shyamalan is commenting on the sequel to Unbreakable, not TLA 2. Very shortly after, he simply explains that ATLA has a structure from which one could produce a set of movies. My guess is he's implying that three movies were originally meant to happen. In this particular interview though, he doesn't touch on his involvement in all three, let alone the second.

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    • Dark Horse has an expanded write-up of the free Korra story that "prelude to the all-new graphic novel program!"[1]

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWYNrDYUsAAoLhF.jpg
      Slaphappyjoy wrote:
      Shyamalan is commenting on the sequel to Unbreakable, not TLA 2. Very shortly after, he simply explains that ATLA has a structure from which one could produce a set of movies.

      That is correct. Icon_mrgreen.gif I said I think (as in suspect/theorized) that M.Night knew that he will be involved, before confirming to Metro UK two months later. This is sort of like how Paul Rudd knew that his Ant-Man character will be in Captain America: Civil War (from the way Rudd grinned when he replied "Um... I don’t know." at CinemaCon) before Marvel officially confirmed it a few weeks later.

      Matt Goldberg of Collider.com asked him @9:45 on the possibility of Unbreakable 2, so M.Night explained his difficulty in coming up with good concepts for the sequel. When Matt asked him @10:41 how does that difficulty compare in making TLA sequels, he said TLA sequels are easier because the books are already written. At that point, the "obvious" follow-up question is: why didn't he make TLA2 instead of Unbreakable 2 if TLA2 is easier?

      Just look at his face @11:12. He was beaming with pride and anticipation for that follow-up question, but turn crushed when Matt switched to a different topic. I mean, can you imagine his disappointment that some people don't believe he has a shot at making TLA2? Icon_wtf.gif

      Anywho, the interview took place at SDCC, which is a week after Paramount released Terminator 5 in the US. As I commented earlier, that $155 million-budgeted movie only grossed $42,474,183 domestically over the 5-day Independence Day weekend. Paramount was hoping for $55 million,[2] and had preemptively slotted two sequels for 2017 and 2018.[3] OTOH, 5 years ago on the same weekend, Paramount earned $69,315,329 with $150 million-budgeted The Last Airbender, exceeding Paramount's $50+ million expectation[4] with sequels yet to confirm. Clearly, TLA is a better investment than Terminator. With the 7-year contract window for the cast is expiring in the next few months, Paramount must have called up M.Night and asked him, "Hey, do you still want to do TLA sequels?" Eusa_think.gif

      We can expect M.Night to have interviews in the next few months to promote his recently-greenlit Season 2 of Wayward Pines. Hopefully, we have interviewers asking him more about TLA sequels and/or any considerations for a reboot.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Dark Horse has an expanded write-up of the free Korra story that "prelude to the all-new graphic novel program!"[1]
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWYNrDYUsAAoLhF.jpg
      Slaphappyjoy wrote:
      Shyamalan is commenting on the sequel to Unbreakable, not TLA 2. Very shortly after, he simply explains that ATLA has a structure from which one could produce a set of movies.
      That is correct. Icon_mrgreen.gif I said I think (as in suspect/theorized) that M.Night knew that he will be involved, before confirming to Metro UK two months later. This is sort of like how Paul Rudd knew that his Ant-Man character will be in Captain America: Civil War (from the way Rudd grinned when he replied "Um... I don’t know." at CinemaCon) before Marvel officially confirmed it a few weeks later.Matt Goldberg of Collider.com asked him @9:45 on the possibility of Unbreakable 2, so M.Night explained his difficulty in coming up with good concepts for the sequel. When Matt asked him @10:41 how does that difficulty compare in making TLA sequels, he said TLA sequels are easier because the books are already written. At that point, the "obvious" follow-up question is: why didn't he make TLA2 instead of Unbreakable 2 if TLA2 is easier?

      Just look at his face @11:12. He was beaming with pride and anticipation for that follow-up question, but turn crushed when Matt switched to a different topic. I mean, can you imagine his disappointment that some people don't believe he has a shot at making TLA2? Icon_wtf.gif

      Anywho, the interview took place at SDCC, which is a week after Paramount released Terminator 5 in the US. As I commented earlier, that $155 million-budgeted movie only grossed $42,474,183 domestically over the 5-day Independence Day weekend. Paramount was hoping for $55 million,[2] and had preemptively slotted two sequels for 2017 and 2018.[3] OTOH, 5 years ago on the same weekend, Paramount earned $69,315,329 with $150 million-budgeted The Last Airbender, exceeding Paramount's $50+ million expectation[4] with sequels yet to confirm. Clearly, TLA is a better investment than Terminator. With the 7-year contract window for the cast is expiring in the next few months, Paramount must have called up M.Night and asked him, "Hey, do you still want to do TLA sequels?" Eusa_think.gif

      We can expect M.Night to have interviews in the next few months to promote his recently-greenlit Season 2 of Wayward Pines. Hopefully, we have interviewers asking him more about TLA sequels and/or any considerations for a reboot.

      Giggity.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Smoke and Shadow Part 3 is out today at comic book stores. Discussion on this thread.

      But wait, there's more! Dark Horse will give away a Korra short story for all-ages on Free Comic Book Day 2016! Icon_mrgreen.gif Written by Michael Dante DiMartino.


      https://41.media.tumblr.com/c5b5b359e89e156e4e6582bf0acd4efb/tumblr_inline_nzgtea6HJV1r7w6tu_250.jpg
      Omnibender wrote:
      The harsh reality is that the system is broken. If they think a series' success is measured in toy sales, they're doing it wrong. Probably a bunch of backwards old people who refuse to get with the times, and then complain the way they've always done things doesn't work.
      I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm telling you how the system works, not how it should work. Like or not, these "backwards old people" get to decide how Viacom's money should be spent. Not Mike and Bryan. Not even M.Night.


      Christopher John Farley wrote on the Wall Street Journal:
      Cyma Zarghami, president of the Nickelodeon/MTVN Kids and Family Group, says Nickelodeon spends $600,000-$700,000 per episode to make its animated shows [like The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra]. The network's computer-animated offerings [like TMNT and Kung Fu Panda] are "a bit more expensive," she says.
      Have you seen the recent ratings for TMNT? They have been progressively lower than Korra Book 3, but Nick still went ahead with 20 episodes for TMNT Season 5 a few months ago.[1] If a TMNT episode is more expensive than a Korra episode, how could Nick afford to air them on premium timeslots with low ratings (hence lower advertising revenue)? EASY: the production was *subsidized* by the merchandise licensing AND Michael Bay's movies that star Megan Fox.

      What does ATLA/Korra has to subsidize the episodes? Right now, just the graphic novels and a very limited/niche merchandising. Take for instance, the comic book sales for Smoke and Shadow Part 1, which is 5,536 for September[2] and 580 for October[3]. Let's say Dark Horse pays Nick a ridiculous amount of $10.99 for each comic sold, so that's $67,214.84. Let's say Part 2 and Part 3 get the same amount, which gives us a grand total of $201,644.52. That's about a third of the "$600,000-$700,000" cost to produce an episode, so that entitles us to a 7-minute online ATLA/Korra video per year. -__-

      The alternative, is to cut production costs with simpler/cheaper animation as done with Sanjay and Craig. The animation style proposed in the Avatar Wan "pilot" is cheaper but not enough.


      Fomxcloud wrote:
      Shyamalan has never mentioned TLA2 in the past 4 years.
      Yes, he did. Icon_yawn.gif He confirmed he will be behind TLA2 to Metro UK back in September. Moreover, I think he knew that he will be involved back in July. Check out the video @ 10:25 mark


      The chart shows how many copies of the comic were sold to stores that month, not how amny were sold. Still, the October amount is so low, that i'm schocked that volume 2 is even on sale, considering how loooooow customer interest in Volume 1 seems to be with those numbers. If this were tv show it'd likely be canceled in midboradcast & never aired again.

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    • For those of you who have read Smoke and Shadow part 2 already, I'd like to ask you to give your input to the topic I created in that issue's talk page. It's regarding this issue's timeline placement, and background information revealed about the history of the Fire Nation.

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    • Here's a sneak peek on Smoke & Shadow Part 3 exclusively from Dark Horse Comics:[1].

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYN7jFIVAAAFIis.jpg

      In other news, our Library of Congress appointed Gene Yang as the new "National Ambassador for Young People’s Literature".[2] The ceremony was held yesterday.[3]

      https://blogs.loc.gov/loc/files/2016/01/20160107SM225-300x200.jpg

      ICYMI, Bryan posted "a sneak peek of a thing I drew for a thing".[4] Whatever that means.

      https://56.media.tumblr.com/90ce051a26e57c016721426f64fca5df/tumblr_nzmcjyFKpX1rptk5lo1_500.jpg

      Also, I noticed an interesting tidbit on the trademark for "Threadworlds".[5] Bryan has secured the mark for 4 out of 5 classes of products. The one he is still trying to secure is for "ongoing animated and live action television programs and films", which he has a good chance of getting in the next few weeks. In the unlikely event that he doesn't, he's probably going to come up with another name for his creator-owned IP, than risk somebody else do a Threadworlds movie that has nothing to do with his work.

      DWA's Voltron didn't come out on Netflix last year, so they're announcing this year.[6] This is probably "Korra 2.0", but Studio Mir and others still have not confirmed what DWA project they are working on.

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    • Didn't Mike have a project he was also working on?

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    • ^ Yeah. Besides the upcoming Korra comics, Mike is working on "Rebel Genius" book series. He will be at Bookcon in Chicago this coming May 2016.[1]

      https://36.media.tumblr.com/5b0946eed567fdf205f9781679412803/tumblr_nxrlfpm1Xc1rz68g3o1_500.jpg
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    • Attention:

      we are almost to the 200 replies quata, this thread has 186 replies plus mine 187, after about ten more replies, a new one will be created and i will request for this one to be closed

      Sometime at the end of the month or when it reaches 200 or almost 200,  a new one will be created. not to mention this one has been around since july of last year 2015. i will announce on here when a new one has been created, once a new one is created, i will ask for it closed, i may not be on here as much but, i do come here on the weekends if i can. and will still check the thread. Again at the end of the month or a little earlier, or if it reaches almost 200 replies during the month, a new one will be created and this one will be closed.

      Thank you for your participation on this thread.

      edit:Oops, it was up to 300 replies before this the thread closes, sorry, however i think a new one should be created since this one has been out going since july, never mind.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Here's a sneak peek on Smoke & Shadow Part 3 exclusively from Dark Horse Comics:[1].
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYN7jFIVAAAFIis.jpg


      Smoke and Shadow looks so intense! It's getting to be really great. I really liked the ending on the second part. :)

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    • Does anyone knows if there is going to be another Trilogy or comic after Smoke And Shadow?

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    • Tono555 wrote:

      Hasdi wrote:
      Here's a sneak peek on Smoke & Shadow Part 3 exclusively from Dark Horse Comics:[1].
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYN7jFIVAAAFIis.jpg


      Smoke and Shadow looks so intense! It's getting to be really great. I really liked the ending on the second part. :)


      That bloody page, it just makes me expect the third part even more :( (especially, i want to know where things between Zuko and Suki are going to :) ).

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    • LFRO wrote:
      Does anyone knows if there is going to be another Trilogy or comic after Smoke And Shadow?


      Bryan confirmed there would be two more trilogies after The Rift, so yes. I just hope it isn't the last we see of the original Team Avatar.

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    • Tono555 wrote:

      LFRO wrote:
      Does anyone knows if there is going to be another Trilogy or comic after Smoke And Shadow?


      Bryan confirmed there would be two more trilogies after The Rift, so yes. I just hope it isn't the last we see of the original Team Avatar.

      So theres is one trilogy left, hmmm, maybe it will take place some years after Smoke And Shadow, it could feature the begining of The United Republic Of Nations and Republic City and how the gang are involved in it's construction(it could feature as well how the members of the gaang start their families). But, yeah, i would like to see some more stories about them(but not to much, it could get monotonous).

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    • I've not heard of anything after Smoke & Shadow, aside from the Legend of Korra comics.

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    • Ehh...I'd be more convinced if it was more definite.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I've not heard of anything after Smoke & Shadow...

      See this interview with Gene Yang just before Smoke and Shadow Part 1 was published.

      "As for Yang’s future with the comic? He’ll helm the upcoming three issues, as well as three more after that — and it’s clear that he’s enjoying every moment of bringing these characters to life."
      — Entertainment Weekly, August 24 2015


      In other news, Studio Mir recently posted new group photos of Korra 2.0 DreamWorks team, including Ryu and Joaquim Dos Santos. "We had a GREAT BONDING time together with good meetings, good touring, and good food! Our project will be coming soon!"

      There was also a thinkpiece posted on Forbes on "Netflix Needs To Revive 'The Legend of Korra,' Not 'Voltron'". I think the writer (Paul Tassi) overlooked that Voltron IP belongs to DreamWorks not Netflix. Netflix only has exclusive rights to stream Voltron from DreamWorks. So, he should really ask DreamWorks to produce ATLA/Korra (with Studio Mir) instead of Voltron (or whatever it is "Korra 2.0" is all about).

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    • Janet Varney announced [1] that she will be coming to Jacksonville, Florida to attend Collectivecon on April 1-3.[2] She will be attending the entire event. 

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZG0Zz2UAAAYJx4.jpg
      Attending Entire Event
      Autograph or Video/Voice Recordings: $20
      Photo at table: $10
       **CASH ONLY FOR AUTOGRAPHS**

      Janet Varney is a comedian, actor, writer and producer. In the animation world, she is lucky enough to be the voice of Korra on Nickelodeon's hit series The Legend of Korra, and she can currently be seen as Becca on the live action FX series You're the Worst. She also spent seven years hosting TBS's Dinner and a Movie, recurred on HBO's Entourage, was a series regular on E! and Yahoo series Burning Love seasons 1 and 3, and has made guest appearances in hit shows including How I Met Your Mother, Key and Peele, Psych, Bones, on the panel of Chelsea Lately and @midnight. Janet is the host of the popular Nerdist podcast The JV Club and the co-founder, creative director, and producer of one of SF Sketchfest: the San Francisco Comedy Festival.

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    • She's been on Bones?

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    • ^ Janet played a one-off character for one episode of Bones that aired back in 2009. 


      This just in! Dark Horse previewed a new Aang statue,[1] scheduled for release this June 22nd with a suggested retail price of $79.99.

      https://56.media.tumblr.com/52779b54fe4f6804c5863edcb1c44d23/tumblr_inline_o19incfpZ81r7w6tu_250.jpg
      As the Avatar of his time, Aang is the only one capable of using all four bending arts: earth, water, fire, and air. Here, he is captured in a majestic pose from Nickelodeon's animated series and the Dark Horse comics. Dark Horse is proud to bring forth this limited edition 8 1/4" tall polyresin statuette, sculpted by Joe Menna and sure to please Avatar fans.
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    • Dark Horse confirmed that Smoke and Shadow Library edition will be coming in September.

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    • It's good to see Dark Horse giving a date on Smoke and Shadow (le), but that state of Aang is just horrible. Think I'll wait and see what Zwyer does with its line.

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    • Ok.... Dark Horse just officially announced the release dates (in comic book stores of all 3 parts of North and South ATLA graphic novels AND covers!

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/8fc80a605de556abc635864ae69d8e5c/tumblr_inline_o2k00iSPR61r7w6tu_320.jpg
      https://56.media.tumblr.com/058ca1eb09017ccad2ef9ee3a545bb43/tumblr_inline_o2raj8D05U1r7w6tu_320.jpg
      https://41.media.tumblr.com/c18e53e14a0b855c92312eba116e18cf/tumblr_inline_o2raje4Ey71r7w6tu_320.jpg

      Water Spout previously wrote a blog on this but apparently, September 27 for Part One was just a placeholder date (for mass market release). I suggest having further discussions to his blog.

      Also, this is from last week.[1]

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/7422a9ec142fa3f68bf318b49fe4f72b/tumblr_o2i7lmeDo81rymkkbo4_500.jpg
      "Here are some of ZWYER Industries‘ upcoming products being displayed at the Good Smile Company booth at New York Toyfair."


      Ack! Back to my day job.

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