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  • Since the current "if you were in charge" thread focuses on LOK, I think it'd be nice to have one for the original series. I would have done the following:

    1. Aang does act jealous of Jet in "Jet."

    2. Katara would be reluctant to see her dad in "Bato of the Water Tribe."

    3.More Suki, and basically every other non bending fighter that isn't Sokka.

    4. There would be at least one episode that fleshes out Air Nomad culture more.

    5. Yue is given more personality.

    6. Koh plays a bigger role.

    7. We would see Iroh and Ozai interact at least once.

    8. There would be an episode dedicated to Iroh's past.

    9. Aang would yell at Sokka and only Sokka when Appa's stolen.

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    • 5. Like...what?

      9. What, why?

      I don't know if I'd really change much of anything. My first instinct is to say, "Get rid of The Great Divide," but that's led to a lot of Hilarious in Hindsight. I suppose I'd want to know what ACTUALLY happened to Jin Wei & Wei Jin.

      Most of my other complaints, the comics have covered. It would have been nice if "Relics" had been added to the series proper, though. That's a fairly obscure comic about how the Fire Nation hunted down the Air Nomads that escaped the initial genocide.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      5. Like...what?

      9. What, why?

      I don't know if I'd really change much of anything. My first instinct is to say, "Get rid of The Great Divide," but that's led to a lot of Hilarious in Hindsight. I suppose I'd want to know what ACTUALLY happened to Jin Wei & Wei Jin.

      Most of my other complaints, the comics have covered. It would have been nice if "Relics" had been added to the series proper, though. That's a fairly obscure comic about how the Fire Nation hunted down the Air Nomads that escaped the initial genocide.

      5. I dunno, just...something else.

      9. Because the whole thing was Sokka's fault. He made them go to the library, made Aang vouch for him, and and angered Wan Shi Tong in the first place. I'd even go as far as to blame Sokka for what happened to Jinora. I'm not justifying what Wan Shi Tong did but Sokka did them no favors. 

      More changes I'd make is include a proper explanation as to how Avatars can still love someone  after mastering the Avatar State,  have the subplot of Toph running away be actually dealt with in an episode or two, and have all of Team Avatar battle Ozai. I'd also have Zuko find his mom in the  finale because "the search" sucked imo.

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    • I'd say that Yue's personality was pretty important to the last few episodes, mostly relating to being torn between her personal desires & serving as a symbol for her people. But truth be told, I did think she was a bit dull, so if someone had an idea that made her more interesting while still retaining that, I'd be game.

      However, laying the blame on Sokka wouldn't make sense for 2 reasons.

      The 1st is that it would be extremely hypocritical. Sokka asked Aang to vouch for him, but Aang could have just refused. He can't claim the moral high ground when a plan that he cooperated in goes belly-up. As well, Aang lied on a few occasions himself. "The Great Divide" & "Bato of the Water Tribe" come to mind.

      But an even bigger problem with blaming Sokka is that Aang wasn't angry about anything that happened in the library, he was mad that Appa was stolen. The closest thing to someone being "responsible" for that was Toph being unable to save him, & as she pointed out, she was a bit busy trying to keep the library from sinking.

      The whole point there was that his behavior was irrational. None of his friends were at fault, at least not any more than he was, but he let his anger get the best of him. Aang needed to learn how to deal with a personal crisis while still working for the good of the group.

      I will say, Sokka attacking Azula in Day of Black Sun, even though he was the one who told the rest not to waste time with her was just stupid. I'd probably change that.

      What's wrong with The Search?

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:

      9. Because the whole thing was Sokka's fault. He made them go to the library, made Aang vouch for him, and and angered Wan Shi Tong in the first place. I'd even go as far as to blame Sokka for what happened to Jinora. I'm not justifying what Wan Shi Tong did but Sokka did them no favors. 

      If we're going down that route, then it's Kya's fault for giving birth to Sokka in the first place, Hakoda's fault for getting Kya pregnant, their parents' faults for them being born, etc., etc. What Wan Shi Tong and the sandbenders did while the Gaang was in the library was so unforeseeable that it's just patently unreasonable to put the blame on Sokka. The sandbenders freely chose to come and steal Appa. That act of free will puts the blame solely on them. What you're suggesting is basically like if Batman were to blame the local theater critic for his parents' deaths: "they wouldn't have gone to the show in the first place if that asshole hadn't given the show such a good review!" That's just completely ridiculous.

      Anyway, changes I'd make: Ursa is dead, Hakoda dies in the invasion, Toph gets at least one badass one-on-one fight with a character that matters (Azula maybe?), the White Lotus isn't a thing, either Aang, Katara, or Sokka suffers some permenantly debilitating injury in the finale, Iroh confronts Ozai in prison (or vice versa), and no Suki after season 1--Ty Lee takes over her role in season 3 by joining Team Avatar along with Zuko.

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    • Wait, then what happens instead of the White Lotus? What happens to Suki after Season 1? Why would Ty Lee join, but not Mai?

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    • Nothing happens instead of the White Lotus: Ba Sing Se remains under FN occupation until Ozai is defeated and Zuko orders the troops stationed there to stand down. Suki stays on Kyoshi Island, or joins the war and gets killed, or just about anything else. I don't really like her, so I don't really care what happens to her. Ty Lee joins because she's initially spying on the team for Azula but then realizes (or accepts) the fact that Azula's a crazy bitch who needs to be put down. And Ty-Sokka. Mai doesn't exist, because there's absolutely no point to having a character decked out with knives and sais and shurikens if she's not using them to cut people's throats or stab them in the eyes.

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    • I think the only thing I would change would be to give the villains a bit more backstory. I find it very, very hard to sympathize with Ozai even though I think his father was likely responsible for how he turned out. And only in the last few episodes is Azula given much sympathy (unless you count the Search comics). I just think they're pretty flat in the show and we need know them better.

      I think Mai is hated a lot because she isn't known enough. We only ever see one side to her (stoic and serious) and I would like to see more, for instance what drew her and Zuko together.

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    • What do you have against the Order of the White Lotus?

      I'm not going to argue anyone's subjective value judgment, but I would like to know where all of this stuff is coming from.

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    • First off, I'm not a fan of secret societies as a plot point in general. They're not realistic. They don't happen in the real world, for the simple reason that keeping the secret is a lot of work, and people in the real world are just f*ing lazy. There's no way that a society could exist for that long without someone messing up somewhere along the way and letting it slip so everyone knows.

      Second I am absolutely against the idea of the old mentor people in fantasy stories being complete badasses in combat. My profile pic is a statement to that effect: Yoda as an unstoppable ball of green kick-ass only makes sense if he looks like *that.* Age should matter in a fictional universe just like it should matter in the real world. If you're past your prime, then you shouldn't be able to compete evenly with much younger and more physically fit characters for  longer than a few minutes. If the old guys are really *that* good, then they should be the ones doing everything. For me, only showing up for Ba Sing Se feels like a gaping plot hole. If Iroh and co. really are badasses of that caliber, and they've been in this organization together for that long, then they could have ambushed Ozai, curbstomped him, and ended the war years ago. 

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    • What do you guys think of the idea of giving more backstory on Mai, Ozai and Azula? (Yes, I know Azula was fleshed out more in The Search, I'm talking about in the show itself)

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    • McJediProbie wrote:
      First off, I'm not a fan of secret societies as a plot point in general. They're not realistic. They don't happen in the real world, for the simple reason that keeping the secret is a lot of work, and people in the real world are just f*ing lazy. There's no way that a society could exist for that long without someone messing up somewhere along the way and letting it slip so everyone knows.

      Second I am absolutely against the idea of the old mentor people in fantasy stories being complete badasses in combat. My profile pic is a statement to that effect: Yoda as an unstoppable ball of green kick-ass only makes sense if he looks like *that.* Age should matter in a fictional universe just like it should matter in the real world. If you're past your prime, then you shouldn't be able to compete evenly with much younger and more physically fit characters for  longer than a few minutes. If the old guys are really *that* good, then they should be the ones doing everything. For me, only showing up for Ba Sing Se feels like a gaping plot hole. If Iroh and co. really are badasses of that caliber, and they've been in this organization together for that long, then they could have ambushed Ozai, curbstomped him, and ended the war years ago. 


      Isn't that a tad agist though? Anyway, to get back on track, I would actually have dropped any idea of Azula being good inside and under Ozai's thumb. The idea came in too late to take seriously.

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    • No more ageist than taking away an old person's driver's license if they fail the vision test.

      I actually don't remember the Azula/Ozai thing really being pressed to much at all. I always got the impression that it was her relationship, or lack thereof, with Ursa that really messed her up. But yeah, Azula is too independent and confident in her own abilities to be anyone's lackey, even Ozai's.

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    • McJediProbie wrote:
      No more ageist than taking away an old person's driver's license if they fail the vision test.

      I actually don't remember the Azula/Ozai thing really being pressed to much at all. I always got the impression that it was her relationship, or lack thereof, with Ursa that really messed her up. But yeah, Azula is too independent and confident in her own abilities to be anyone's lackey, even Ozai's.


      Yeah, I was asking about fleshing out Azula and Ozai themselves so that they aren't as flat characters (Mai too). Maybe show why Ozai became like he did, same with Azula, and show another side of Mai.

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    • I don't think the White Lotus are unrealistic. From what I gather, the Freemasons were similarly mysterious in their heyday, but the information age has a tendency to demystify things. We can find all kinds of articles about researchers who have painstakingly examined which stories about freemasons & other secret societies are true & which are not.

      It would be hard to ambush Ozai because he's only been known to have left the Fire Nation during Sozin's Comet. Iroh also said that history would see it as just a brother killing a brother to gain power. I'd kind of like this to be a plot hole, because it's always nice to have something to stick in the craw of people who go "Korra sucks, not like Avatar, it was perfect," but it seems pretty solid to me.

      I will say it until I am dust in the wind: Azula is a psychopath. With that said, the only villain whose motives we don't really know much about is Ozai. Then again, maybe we do. Mike & Bryan basically said he was just a megalomaniac & that "there are some people like that." But I would like to know more about his relationship with Azulon, & maybe HIS relationship with Sozin.

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    • Ozai wasn't born at the time Sozin was alive. Or are you talking about Azulon? Either way, Ozai's relationship with Azulon and Iroh would be more important in my opnion. Especially Iroh.

      Have any of you read this on redit?

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    • Maybe tracing my thought process would clarify.

      All we saw of Azulon's relationship to Ozai was the arranged marriage with Ursa & that time Azulon ordered Ozai to kill his own son.

      That makes me wonder, what was their home life like? Was Azulon always that crazy? Is that craziness in some way related to his relationship to his OWN father?

      That dude's theory is interesting, but I honestly kind of doubt it. First of all, people always overlook an incredibly obvious detail: Family portraits are pre-arranged. The artist is SUPPOSED to portray you as a big, happy family.

      Then The Search pretty much explained the whole order of events. Ozai started mistreating Zuko way before Azulon ordered that, even knowing that the paternity scare was complete nonsense. Any hints the comic gives that he was anything other than a complete dick were truly few & far between.

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    • It seems that he didn't read the comic when he wrote that, and in this context most of it could be truth, it just turned out it's not.

      Maybe growing in that kind of setting make it to people? Like, their family was out to take down the other nations so they were raised in a place where anything that wasn't war-like was a weakness and that made them turn into killing machines without feelings. A little cliche but it's the best i can come up with. Of course this didn't affect Iroh, but we all know he's special. I wish we could know why is that, they were both raised by the same father and Iroh was the heir to the throne meaning Azulon's efforts in creating a monster would be focused on him. Even then, Ozai was the monster.

      It's not only the portrait(and is it only me or Ursa actually looks sad in it?), there are Zuko's flashbacks where Ozai is watching them play and with his hands on his shoulders. There's also someone that looks like Iroh holding Azula that the OP thought it was Ozai(or was it Zuko and the one playing with sand castles was Lu Ten?). Those are the flashbacks. And considering the comics, Ozai still didn't seem all that bad when he married Ursa. Of course there is his talk about her old life, but he still didn't seem like a ruthless psycho. We don't even know how he treated Zuko before he read the letter, and i don't think it was really that bad.

      The thing that bugs me the most is his face. When they show his face he actually looks kind of gentle, even when he is talking about Aang's death.

      I don't know, i just think there should be more to him than just "he's evil and there are people like that". So yeah, i agree that there should be an episode or something about him and even his relationship with his father. If there is one thing that i would like to change is to have more Iroh, and a little more of Ozai would be good too.

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    • Because Iroh's got style, just like Bearon Bosco of Bearington, His Beariness.

      The flashbacks I wouldn't consider unbiased either, since they're treated as Zuko's memories, as opposed to an objective widow onto the past like an Avatar's visions.

      Yeah, I guess I agree with most of that. Though it would sort of make sense if Azulon & possibly Ozai were also psychopaths, since it's a genetic condition. I exclude Sozin because he seemed to genuinely care about Roku & regret leaving him to die.

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    • I dare say that his memories are rather unbiased. It's as biased as his flashback about his mother, i could say Azula wasn't that "weird" and it was all the way he saw her messing up his memories.

      But isn't psychopathy something that is aquired in childhood?

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    • Not really, because Azula being a mean little twerp is corroborated by The Search & her own statements about what she perceives her relationship with her mother to be.

      The official diagnostic criteria is that, to be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, then among other things, you must show evidence of either oppositional defiant disorder or conduct disorder (I forget which it is) in childhood.

      All a fancy way of saying that, if you're a true psychopath, you'll start young, because you just won't develop a proper sense of empathy.

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    • Once again getting back on track, I would also incorperate the Gaang using the martial art forms of their bending to deal with Ty-lee at one point. 

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    • One thing I would add is Sokka is being overprotective big bro toward Katara.

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    • I'd have also given Zuko a happier ending in "Zuko Alone" and a nicer ending to the scene where he stole the ostritch-horse,

      Dipping into the Fire Nation family topic for a bit, I'm personally facinated by Azulon. In the show proper, there's no straight proof he asked Ozai to kill Zuko and Gene Yang's comics are crap imo so I refuse to acknowledge their confirmation of the idea. The scene is purposely ambiguous and in some ways, that's better. The Azulon we do see is outraged at the thought of disinheriting Iroh and seems sympathetic towards the death of his eldest grandson. It's not a lot and could probably be spun in a less benevelolent light, but that's a lot more compassion than Ozai had at least.

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    • I liked having Zuko as a gray character that made tough moral choices, and sometimes going the "evil" route. It helped make him believable and frankly, relatable (not that all of us would steal from someone that just helped us or help kill the Avatar, but that we do sometimes make selfish decisions, or do the "wrong thing" for the family).

      I thought the comics were pretty good, and a welcome alternative for going on with the ATLA continuity, since we're not getting more animation.

      But, since they are canon, and evidence does suggest that conclusion in the show anyways, Azulon did order the death of Zuko over Ozai's suggestion...which I'd say is not even a remotely compassionate act.

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    • Another thing that I will add in is Animal Pit. You know like... capture the people who are not the people of Fire Nation

      and throw him or her to fight a dangerous animal in the pit.

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    • Nice!  I wouldn't have minded hearing a bit more about why Sozin started hunting dragons.

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    • Because it was a Fire Nation rite of passage.

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    • The show said that Sozin started the tradition. And how much of a rite of passage could it be if slaying a dragon made you "legendary"? That implies that it's very uncommon, even among Firebenders. Which is supported by the fact that we only know of 1, maybe 2 people who actually obtained the title of "Dragon": Iroh, the "Dragon of the West," & presumably Sozin, since he "started the tradition."

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    • But not always. Sozin had his own dragon at one pont and of course Roku had Fang. There's even a very plausable fan theory that dragons were involved in the Air Nomad Genocide. I want to know how they went from sacred animals to trophies of conquest.

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    • It elevated someone into a prestigeous class in the society, particularly in martial circles, hence, a rite of passage in the Fire Nation.

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    • Okay, but that still doesn't explain what prompted Sozin to start the tradition.

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    • Dragons were the "original firebenders", killing one, makes you hot stuff. It makes sense in a way, but sure, why start the tradition then, vs 3,000 or 10,000 years ago, who knows? Could have to do with the shift from firebending a la Sun Warriors' way to the new way with inner rage. But, meh, not particularly interesting to me. Sounds fairly straightforward.

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    • Wonder how Zuko gets his own Dragon. If he takes DNA of Ran and Shaw and order the scientists of

      the Fire Nation to repopulate the Dragons? I don't think that the technology in that time can do that.

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    • I don't think the technology of Korra's time can do that.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      I don't think the technology of Korra's time can do that.

      I known that. that is what I just said yesterday as well. And where on Earth did Zuko find it?

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    • Some people say he found a Dragon Egg in the Sun Warrior's city.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      Some people say he found a Dragon Egg in the Sun Warrior's city.

      Well... then let just hope that it live long enough until the technology is great enough to retake the Dragons back.

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