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  • After reading the preview of SAS Part 1 and the transcript of it, I have some theories on the spirits that appeared before Ukano who, before today, had only the name "Mai's father". It could actually be Ozai, Azula, hallucinations of Ukano, Zhao, the spirits of Azulon and Sozin, etc. The Kemurikage spirit "fable" could also have a link to Mai and her childhood.

    Preview: http://terrible-wander.tumblr.com/post/113129667389/smoke-and-shadow-part-1-preview

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    • hey..is there no part 2 preview?

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    • Colonade wrote:
      hey..is there no part 2 preview?

      This is a preview of Part 1 of the Smoke and Shadow trilogy and it just came out 3-4 days ago. I think you will just have wait a few months for the full story of Part 1 and few months more to wait for Part 2. All good things come to those who wait.

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    • Interesting group of characters. I don't know, though, having them be actual Spirits seems a bit melodramatic while having them be faking it seems like Scooby Doo.

      "Kemurikage," in case anyone is wondering, means "smoke shadow."

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    • Maybe a spirit-possessed human, or a powerful, possibly vengeful spirit that somehow merged with a human. 

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      "Kemurikage," in case anyone is wondering, means "smoke shadow."

      ...in Japanese. Lixa.gif

      http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7893/263379.jpg
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    • I assumed people would guess that, since Naruto made it common knowledge that "kage" is Japanese for "shadow." It was the "kemuri" part I had to look up.

      "Begun"? People have been saying the Fire Nation has a Japanese influence since the show began.

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    • Those people don't include myself and Emperor Qin. It is the Kyoshi Warriors (and the Kyoshi Island) that are more Japanese-influenced. But then, ATLA Book 2 happened.

      Anywho, Paramount/Nickelodeon cannot have the Fire Nation allude to "Imperial China" for geopolitical reasons. By the end of Smoke and Shadow, I expect Japanese elements to be fully incorporated in the Fire Nation. Not that most fans can tell them apart from Chinese elements anyway.

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    • I'd say that culturally, ethnically, and architectually that the Fire Nation has more in common with China, certainly. However, the nation's geographic location, rapid industrialization, the Fire Lord's change from a theocratic role to an absolute monarchy, the attempted colonization, the technological and military advantage over the Earth Nation, "spreading prosperity and innovation to the unenlightened" (Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere), the racism and propoganda against non-FN citizens... all these things scream "Empire of Japan", post-Meiji Restoration. 

      So from a political and geographic stand point, I'd say the Fire Nation is indeed Japan, and the Earth Nation is indeed China. However, when you start analyzing their culture and whatnot, then no - that's where they both start to look like China. 

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    • CommanderZeta wrote:
      However, when you start analyzing their culture and whatnot, then no - that's where they both start to look like China. 

      Yeah, and that's the problem. Gene Yang will take care of that soon enough.

      Suki worried about Zuko

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    • Can't wait for the first part!

      Six months is a LONG time to wait...

      "Shadow and Smoke Part one"

      "Date of Publication: September 23rd 2015"

      It comes out on my birthday O.O

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    • Gene Yang is a great writer but indeed, he's trying to retcon the whole thing, including reducing Chinese-styled names and references for the FN. 

      Japanese industrialization was a response to western imperialism, for more info see Matthew Perry and his Black Ships on late Tokugawa Era. From feudalism to western-guided industrialization up to imperialism inspired on the action of most European powers. 

      Japanese propaganda against most foreign powers, including their views on China would, in present-day have closer ties with most terrorists and radical religious army groups (including the dreaded Islamic State) rather than that description of the Greater E. Asia you mentioned. In propaganda, they tried to be like europeans, with the idea of "civilizing backwards people", in reality, they wanted to wage a "holy war" in order to purify the land, and submit most to their beliefs. They were really radical, not pragmatic or objective-driven. The reason why they insisted in a failed campaign against China instead of looking for more practical targets (like most european colonies in Asia and supply routes at the Indian Ocean) was a small sample of that radical mindset. Banzai charges on americans, suicide bombing against chinese troops and civilians, kamikaze, etc are all substantially ways of proving how the european imperialist, and japanese mindset were so different. 

      Back on the show, it's clear that the FN is way more Imperial Chinese inspired, with hints of the colonialist mindset of some European powers (which actually, was somewhat close to the Sinocentric views)

      And this is beating a long-dead horse. 

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    • It doesn't change the fact that the rapid industrialization of an island nation, which in turn has to expand to feed its growing empire, population, and economy decides to make colonies on foreign land, as well as to wage a war of genocide and conquest to achieve its own ends. This is very much what Japan did. Never mind the circumstances behind why Japan industrialized, because that's not the point - the Fire Nation's military and foreign actions have more similarities with historical actions of the Empire of Japan than they do with the Qing Dynasty.

      I'm well aware of how racist the Japanese were during the war - and I'm sure much of that racism still exists, at least in certain undercurrents (much like how it still exists in the U.S.), but Japan still used the whole "Asia is for the Asians" excuse as a reason to build its empire in the Pacific. Of course Japan's actions were objective - the islands are small, and the population was booming. There wasn't enough land to grow crops to feed the people, and I'm sure natural resources were becoming a strain - they sure as hell were dependent on American and Dutch oil, because Japan knew they couldn't wage the war for an extended period of time without those shipments; that's why they tried to conquer the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) as soon as they could. 

      I'm not downplaying the racism and religious extremism that drove the Japanese to insanity - especially considering their "stand, fight, and die" mentality, their absolutely horrible treatment of POWs, and the various war crimes committed in the nations - especially China. The Japanese adapted well to the imperialist mindset - so well that they built up a powerful navy and a decent colonial empire in the years leading up to World War II, internationally humiliated the Russian Empire in 1905, and they blitzed across the Pacific in the beginning of the war. However, their pride and arrogance cost them dearly. 

      So no, I would say that the Fire Nation is not more so inspired by the Ming or Qing Dynasties - since the Qing Dynasty didn't rapidly industrialize, nor create a massive colonial empire. Culturally, lingustically, racially, architectually... all these things? I would absolutely agree with you that the Fire Nation - like the Earth Nation - is based on China. 

      I honestly don't mind an added flavor to the world of Avatar, however, if I do not agree that they should retcon the Fire Nation's culture and appearance into looking more like Japan - they should have made the Fire Nation look like Japan at the very beginning if that was what they were going for. To do so now would be awkward, and it would be even more unwelcome changes for some fans of the show. 

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    • There's plenty in the EK/FN that attribute to different cultures and Asian cultures themselves do have similarities, although there's a certain leaning towards Japanese culture in the FN. The answer would most likely come from the library editions of the comics since they have the added snipets or insight from the writer, artists, and other individuals on the different aspects.

      I don't think Gene Yang is going so deeply into Japan to illustrate certain events and instead focusing on adding more of a stark difference. You could look at the huge difference between the Kyoshi Warriors and the rest of the FN as almost two sides of the same coin: both have elements in Japanese culture but come across as different entities.

      I actually wonder if we'll see a group of these "kage" or is he simply the main baddie? We've got a smoke shadow, so would we get a fire shadow? A Kasaikage or any variation on fire?

      He does use the line "We are the truth" so I'd expect multiple possible characters using the kemurikage name.

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    • Culturally, lingustically, racially, architectually... all these things? I would absolutely agree with you that the Fire Nation - like the Earth Nation - is based on China.

      I don't know that much about culture or architecture, but the Fire Nation people look considerably different from the Earth Kingdom people, so I don't see how they could be based on the same racial characteristics.

      Everyone in Avatar seems to write in Chinese for some reason, even the Water Tribes.

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    • They also speak the same language so I'd imagine the writers just wanted consistency between the peoples and something as relatively minor as the writing. Chinese is just the one they picked. Most of the writing seems like its an easter egg for a certain narrow range of viewers, like the alien language in Futurama. 

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    • CommanderZeta wrote:
      I do not agree that they should retcon the Fire Nation's culture and appearance into looking more like Japan - they should have made the Fire Nation look like Japan at the very beginning if that was what they were going for. To do so now would be awkward, and it would be even more unwelcome changes for some fans of the show.

      Yeah. Try to explain to the government of China why Japanese-inspired Fire Nation appropriated Chinese culture while they wipe out Tibetan-inspired Air Nomad from existence. Icon_yawn.gif The new Fire Nation may not completely look like Japan. They might throw in other flavors like Mongol, Roman and Greek, so it might look a little something like this. Or not.

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Everyone in Avatar seems to write in Chinese for some reason, even the Water Tribes.

      Chinese is the world language in Avatar, just as English is in our real world... due to Western Imperialism. Does this suggest that the Chinese language spread in Avatar world due to Chinese Imperialism?

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    • Well, it is probable that everyone in the Avatar World came from the Earth Kingdom continent, but other than that, Bryan said that the language & architecture was inspired by the spirits, for example the symbols on Raava & Vaatu.

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    • The creators do say that multiple scripts of Chinese were used in various sections. This was mainly with older texts in the show.

      Hasdi: There's also that problem of humanity being restricted to various lion turtles for who knows how long. 10,000 years would have also lead to multiple different languages and writing scripts, even if there's a common or shared language. I wouldn't read too much into any of it because it is a fantasy world with its own history.

      Even with a world language, you'd expect native languages and writing too. Not to mention that only a portion speak any certain world language, not everyone. But that's just our world.

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    • Yeah, it's hard to get too anal about language, since most series don't even address it.

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    • It feels like one of those sub-issues in a story that can get way too bogged down in the details for most to even notice or appricate it? That's not even considering the problems of multiple languages in a show or its necessity. 

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    • The only time it really bothers me is when people go back in time & still speak the same language. I don't know why that's where I draw the line in the sand.

      As for missing it because of other details, I just found out a lot about Final Fantasy X's languages. I knew there was a Spiran & Al Bhed script, but I didn't know that there was a Yevon alphabet, or that in that 3rd alphabet, A symbolized Yevon & Z symbolized Sin, often put together in an "alpha & omega" sort of way.

      That is an impressive amount of thought that most people probably don't even notice.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Hasdi: There's also that problem of humanity being restricted to various lion turtles for who knows how long. 10,000 years would have also lead to multiple different languages and writing scripts, even if there's a common or shared language. I wouldn't read too much into any of it because it is a fantasy world with its own history.

      Having its own history didn't impede the argument that Fire Nation is somehow inspired by Japanese Imperialism. To be "consistent" with how imperialism and colonialism affects our real world, the fantasy world should have made Japanese the world language instead of Chinese. Even so, changing the Fire Nation to use Japanese names and aesthetics is probably enough to appease our Chinese stakeholders. -__-

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    • Should the FN have strong influences from Japan, we`d see way more of it in its culture, clothing, architecture, mindset, philosophy, martial arts, script, basically everything. Every single detail matches more with Chinese culture than with japanese one. Not that japanese influences wouldn't be interesting (I'd vote for Heian era. gotta love that period), but we didn't saw nothing that harkens back to its history. all we see is chinese influence from the ancestral age of the Chou family (those were cool) and the warring states styled armies up to the late ATLA-era Qin/Han style armies and possibly the URN Chinatown style "firestarters", triads and pawn shops. 

      Now covering it up, retconning it and stuff would be simply ridiculous. This is a really, really dead horse, that was beaten a long time ago. 

      And as Hasdi said, retconning it to remove/cover-up Chinese influence would be quite weird. C'mon, the nation that fights using chinese kung-fu, Han-Tang dynasty armory, wears chinese topknots and headwears , have a Mao-style cult of their dear leader and invaded a nation mostly made by monks (a reference to a very controversial affair) located in extremely high territory suddenly is being freaking compared to Japan. That's cool ! 

      Not to say that other nations didn't also had massive Chinese influence, but really, that ends it. 

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Kubernes wrote:
      Hasdi: There's also that problem of humanity being restricted to various lion turtles for who knows how long. 10,000 years would have also lead to multiple different languages and writing scripts, even if there's a common or shared language. I wouldn't read too much into any of it because it is a fantasy world with its own history.
      Having its own history didn't impede the argument that Fire Nation is somehow inspired by Japanese Imperialism. To be "consistent" with how imperialism and colonialism affects our real world, the fantasy world should have made Japanese the world language instead of Chinese. Even so, changing the Fire Nation to use Japanese names and aesthetics is probably enough to appease our Chinese stakeholders. -__-

      Isn't there some panel soon with Gene Yang? That seems like the perfect place to ask him about the names being 'shifted' to Japanese. It could simply be also based on his background rather than some stakeholder.

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    • I hope the comic introduces Ty Lee's Six sisters,Ty Lin,Ty Lat,Ty Lao,Ty Liu,Ty Lum,And Ty Woo,Maybe they're apart of the secret society {I dunno,I just wanna see what they look like}.

      The spirit reminds me of The Painted Lady,So maybe the Spirit has something to do with her.

      As we've seen,Spirits can be related,Mother of Faces,Koh,Are examples of this.

      Since we don't really know much about The Painted Lady,Except for she's a river spirit,And watched over the town,It would be really interesting if it had something to do with her,Hmm...Maybe she's a Spirit-Sister or Spirit-Cousin.

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    • Kemurikage...hmm. Any consideration that these might be corrupted spirits? Not just the old chaotic dark variants that keep eating people and spitting them out on faraway islands, but guardian spirits that were filled to the gills with hatred and paranoia and lust for power. Ooh, better yet, the ghosts of dead Fire Nation soldiers, killed in the war, retaining only their frustratingly misguided patriotism combined with a century's worth of fuel from the population slowly dying out, and they want more so as to keep their purpose in life. And then they'll get a chance to discover that there's new hope for the world, and that old grievances should be laid to rest and duty should not come before conscience and understanding (which would work for Zuko and Mai getting back together as well).

      But maybe I'm just crazy. It's that time of year, after all.

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    • @Vyakara: I'd totally read that. 

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    • Too kind, Grimm. Thank you. Actually, I would like to try it, but I'd need a hand, I think.

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    • The idea of multiple, dead spirits is interesting and it would be the first real ghost that we'd see. Something like the Painted Lady would fit more into what we've seen so far in ATLA so I'm more inclinded to go that direction.

      I do suspect that even with a mystical element like a spirit, there's some FN baddie behind this plot.

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    • Kind of you, Captain.

      "We are the remnants of those who fought and died on foreign soil, drifting endlessly away from the sun. We are the shadow that our Fire once dispelled, we are the smoke that our Fire never made. We are the Kemurikage."

      Probably. I reckon we've already met him, though. Funny, I never pegged Mai's dad as much of a bad guy before.

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    • Hmm...I'm going to come up with a random theory now..

      The spirit we saw,Kemurikage {Smoke and Shadow},And The Painted Lady are related in a way,As we see,Spirits quite often have an opposite of which keeps balance.Smoke and Shadow is 14 letters all together,The Painted Lady is also 14 letters.Tui is 3 letters,La is 2 letters,Raava is 5 letters,So is Vaatu,Not only that,But also the same amount of words in their full names.

      Tui and La,Yin and Yang,Moon and Ocean,Circling each other in an endless dance.

      Raava and Vaatu,Fighting for centuries to keep what little balance there was.

      Koh The Face Stealer,Is 15 letters,The Mother of Faces,Is 16 letters.

      Perhaps they are related somehow.

      Since Kemurikage means Smoke and Shadow,And it called itself the Kemurikage,There is possibilty's.

      The Painted Lady very well could be linked to this spirit,Since all we know of her is she watches over a fishing town in the fire nation.

      As for The New Ozai Society..

      Combustion Man's wife hopefully is apart of the group led by Ukano,I'd say Combustion Man probably had a wife and kid judging by P'li,Combustion Benders are rare,And i kinda doubt you just become it,The only known ones are Combustion Man and P'li,Maybe we'll learn more about Combustion Man in this comic.

      Ty Lin,Ty Lat,Ty Liu,Ty Lum,Ty Lao and Ty Woo would be interesting to see,A Challenge for Ty Lee to face,Also seeing their fighting styles and how they differ themselves from their sisters.

      You can tell a stories good when you get interested into side characters..

      Azula's probably going to be there,And facing her challenge...Insanity.

      Maybe when Zuko's gone,The New Ozai Society frees Ozai,And brings him with them to face Zuko,I want Ursa to take care of that,And she might've known what happened to Zuko with the scar and stuff,So it would be amusing how she would react to seeing Ozai,Maybe trying to choke him for breaking their promise.

      Something that would be interested and heartwarming is,Aang seeks help in the spirit world,He runs into one of his past lives,He askes them for guidances,The past life says Koh may know of this spirit,Aang exits the spirit world,And goes back in with a map marked to a certain location,He visits Koh,When he askes for help,Koh askes "What would i get in return?" Or something like that,And Aang responds "I have a map to The Mother of Faces." ,And then,Koh gives Aang any knowledge of the spirit he has,And Koh gets a map to his mother and Then they're reunited.

      Anyway,I've got my mind set of it having something to do with The Painted Lady.

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    • Hmm...not bad. Needs some develpment, but it could be somewhat plausible.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Kind of you, Captain.

      "We are the remnants of those who fought and died on foreign soil, drifting endlessly away from the sun. We are the shadow that our Fire once dispelled, we are the smoke that our Fire never made. We are the Kemurikage."

      Probably. I reckon we've already met him, though. Funny, I never pegged Mai's dad as much of a bad guy before.

      The quote could also simply be used to scare the guy into doing what he wants too. That line seems more like soldiers who were left without work after the war and couldn't find other employment. They would be the first recruits for this new group. The sun being the FN, the dispelled fire being the soldiers, and the smoke being the lingering remains of their war time ideals.

      All you would need to do is introduce Ozai would can simply say he wants to bring back those ideals.

      Mai's father seemed more like a basic offical than anything else. Or an early look at the more 'human' side of the Fire Nation.

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    • He looked the average ancient chinese bureaucrat. The ones there were often sent to remote provinces, commanderies and occupied territories to govern those places. Most probably an scholar, surely not a military-man of sorts. 

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    • The scholarly portion would explain the general knowledge of the kemurikage, although it could be basic FN lore.

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    • Actually, Captain, I highly doubt the quote is canon. I made it up myself.

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    • Oh, I know but I like the basic idea of it. We even have an ex-soldier issue in The Rift too. Better something along those lines than a basic bad guy using a guise that we've seen far too often. Gene Yang has usually been pretty good about the underlying ideas in his comics.

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    • Very kind of you, Captain. (Smile)

      True; there was even some expansion that LoK seemed to leave out, like racial attitudes (although maybe they've calmed down after seventy years?).

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    • The whole racial problem is necessary for ATLA because of the development of the pathway to the URN and the harmony solution. The LoK and racial problem did seemed solved so it was only natural that we had a bender versus non-bender problem instead. Of course we also had the rather bizarre purge situation in book 4, but I don't know why that was added.

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    • ...you know, I was going to put one of my usual comments on it, but I think my opinion on the matter's been seen often enough to know what I would answer. Instead, I'll just say: good point, Captain. I suppose it would be needed to address it in one scenario but not necessarily a different one, especially in a nation where people of different races have been interacting for over half a century.

      Anyway, back on topic, do you suppose, if the dead-soldier theory is right, that we could get similar spirits in the Earth Kingdom? The unquiet dead, lying strewn with burnt bones across the vast landscapes, requiring vengeance for their untimely deaths? Koh's nose, what about the Air Nomads? I mean, sure, it would be nice to see Gyatso again, but if they've been watching this stuff play out for a hundred years, they're going to be a bit annoyed. Not to mention all the nonbenders bulldozing sacred statues for a bathhouse...

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    • Assuming that theory is correct, few would probably be Airbenders, since they're pretty committed to the whole "nonviolence" thing & also a lot of time has passed & we haven't heard a peep out of them.

      Earthbenders, perhaps, but then again the Fire Nation was defeated, so maybe their earthly business has been fulfilled.

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    • True, but that name Kemurikage just screams Fire Nation to me. Plus we have the FN focus in this trilogy so I'm leaning towards no at the moment.

      You could go wild with an Earth Nation variant. When I think of a reanimated EN soldier, I immediately think of the Terracotta Army. It even fits perfectly too.

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    • Some spiritual/badass stuff would be awesome. Maybe some EK explorers just enters the wrong tomb in the FN countryside, without knowing what terrible secrets they might unleash upon the world, awakening entombed spirits, and the fallen army of the Fire Nation's first Emperor... wow... that would be badass. A revolted, anti-Zuko general joins him and stuff would get awesome. 

      <several scenes later...>

      First Emperor: "So this... is the world now?"

      FN General Huai Ying, leader of the 6th Route FN army, 100k-strong, regional commander of Zhujiang province: "Our nation was recently defeated in a worldwide war against other kingdoms. The current Firelord, has brought our nation to its knees, and we're weaker than ever. The pacifist faction has taken over, Firelord Ozai was overthrown by the Avatar"

      First Emperor: <burns the world map with a flaming sword> "It's time for me to retake what I've built. to retake my kingdom. Soon... I shall clean the filth out of our lands"

      Huai Ying: "yes my Emperor... but what about the Avatar?"

      First Emperor: "Avatar? I have once confronted him in his past life. He met his demise on this very plains, nearby Xiangyang. My army witnessed his destruction. <flashback to the battle> After that, I united the entire land. <flashback of troops defeating other kingdoms, destroying barbarian tribes, etc> And my most trustful soldiers decided to follow me, after my mortal body was due to an end." "never thought I would be awakened just when this kingdom was nearing world conquest... and defeated. "

      Something like that Mummy movie, which was quite interesting. 

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    • Sounds like Yhwach/Hundun.

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    • Yhwach from Bleach? Why?

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    • Ancient King, founder of the a people/tribe, thought to be dead, sealed away, back for bloody vengeance....

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    • Sounds legit. They did that in the video game, so i doubt it's that. I think they are just people trying to use Ukano.

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    • Well, yeah, I don't think that it's actually some kind of Ghost King, but I do have to admit that I'm a sucker for that kind of plotline. Maybe that's why I like Hundun & Yhwach so much.

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    • Yeah, but i could never like someone who killed Yamamoto.

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    • Meh, I'm just shocked that he didn't blow himself up. I like to call him Captain Suicide.

      Also, that was one of my favorite scenes. "Since you don't seem to be aware of it, let me tell you something: The Gotei 13 died 1000 years ago, alongside my people." *Beamspam.*

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    • An interesting character, but i would like it more if he killed him in a direct fight instead of stealing his bankai after making him fight a copy. He even say he wasn't a threat because he is weaker, but still needs to steal his bankai to fight him.

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    • Everyone says that, but he stole the Bankai because he wanted it, he didn't even use it in the fight.

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    • And he didn't fight him with the bankai, instead he had a copy with the same abilities lose to him.

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    • Emperor Qin wrote:
      Some spiritual/badass stuff would be awesome. Maybe some EK explorers just enters the wrong tomb in the FN countryside, without knowing what terrible secrets they might unleash upon the world, awakening entombed spirits, and the fallen army of the Fire Nation's first Emperor... wow... that would be badass. A revolted, anti-Zuko general joins him and stuff would get awesome. 

      <several scenes later...>

      First Emperor: "So this... is the world now?"

      FN General Huai Ying, leader of the 6th Route FN army, 100k-strong, regional commander of Zhujiang province: "Our nation was recently defeated in a worldwide war against other kingdoms. The current Firelord, has brought our nation to its knees, and we're weaker than ever. The pacifist faction has taken over, Firelord Ozai was overthrown by the Avatar"

      First Emperor: <burns the world map with a flaming sword> "It's time for me to retake what I've built. to retake my kingdom. Soon... I shall clean the filth out of our lands"

      Huai Ying: "yes my Emperor... but what about the Avatar?"

      First Emperor: "Avatar? I have once confronted him in his past life. He met his demise on this very plains, nearby Xiangyang. My army witnessed his destruction. <flashback to the battle> After that, I united the entire land. <flashback of troops defeating other kingdoms, destroying barbarian tribes, etc> And my most trustful soldiers decided to follow me, after my mortal body was due to an end." "never thought I would be awakened just when this kingdom was nearing world conquest... and defeated. "

      Something like that Mummy movie, which was quite interesting. 

      There's enough territory in the EN to do almost anything. We even have that Hundun character as easy inspiration for the ease of hiding vast amounts of treasure to tempt or control the usual, expendable baddies.

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    • So...why did spirits gather treasure anyway? It seems a bit D&D, really, even if it is useful later. Maybe gold sustains them the same way it sustains dragons?

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    • Hundun used to be human. The treasure was from when he was alive. Then, when he was freed from the Spirit World, he realized, "Oh hey, I can pay a bunch of jerks to fight for me, just like I did in the good old days of yore."

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    • I know, Neo. I was joking. Hard to tell, I know.

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    • Once again, such cool idea (like mine above) NEEDS to be FN stuff. the FN deserves some nice storyline, and a badass historical character, specially if he parallels the first Emperor. 

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    • Emperor Qin wrote:
      Once again, such cool idea (like mine above) NEEDS to be FN stuff. the FN deserves some nice storyline, and a badass historical character, specially if he parallels the first Emperor. 

      As long as they could make it avoid the typical FN ruler tropes we saw during ATLA, then I'd be fine.

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    • ChildOfTheMoon3 wrote:
      I hope the comic introduces Ty Lee's Six sisters,Ty Lin,Ty Lat,Ty Lao,Ty Liu,Ty Lum,And Ty Woo,Maybe they're apart of the secret society {I dunno,I just wanna see what they look like}.

      They're identical septuplets, so they look exactly like Ty Lee does.

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    • We don't really know if they are septuplets though.

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    • Well, we do know that they are identical - from both the ATLA episode The Beach and the comic Sisters - the latter of which has Ty Lee introduce the others as her "six identical sisters". Moreover in said comic, they literally look like six Ty Lees in differently-colored versions of the same outfit.

      So if not outright stated(YMMV), it's at least very, very strongly implied that they are indeed septuplets. In any case, all seven of them look exactly alike.

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    • Yeah, after seeing them in the comic, I find it unlikely that they just happen to look the same. There are some small differences here & there, but I think that has more to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of free art.

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    • They also come in varied sizes.

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    • Not really - there's a shot of the other six standing side by side in Sisters, and they're pretty clearly all the same height, within a margin of a couple of centimeters at most.

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    • I assume that these Keirumaki are strongly linked with the Spirits' somehow, and that will attempt to go after Aang; as they could have unfinished business with the mighty Avatar himself. I want to see Aang go into the powerful Avatar State to stop them from abducting him for their own purposes!! And with Ursa watching!

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    • My theory, after reading the 12 page preview, is that the kemurikage only come after children who misbehave and Mai's parents told her this "fable" so that she would always be on her best behaviour and also so that Ukano's political career would rise

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    • My theory is that the "Kemurikage" is a guy in a cloak and mask with some decent skills at infiltration and a helluva flair for the dramatic. Kind of like an evil, Fire Nation version of Batman :P

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      My theory is that the "Kemurikage" is a guy in a cloak and mask with some decent skills at infiltration and a helluva flair for the dramatic. Kind of like an evil, Fire Nation version of Batman :P

      Ye, he's probably a person impersonating a spirit, so then he can rule the world and blah blah blah...

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    • Yup. That's my take on it; to me it makes sense that someone who is clearly pushing a pro-Ozai agenda, judging from the way he's approaching a (probably fairly prominent)member of the New Ozai Society wouild use every trick he can.

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    • "Fire Nation Batman" sounds a lot more interesting than "Avatar Scooby Doo."

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: Yup. That's my take on it; to me it makes sense that someone who is clearly pushing a pro-Ozai agenda, judging from the way he's approaching a (probably fairly prominent)member of the New Ozai Society wouild use every trick he can.

      Exactly. Their name even means "smoke and shadow" which isn't far from the "smoke and mirrors"-tricks that magicians use. Besides, when have spirits ever taken an interest in human politics?

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    • Well, there was that time back in Korra's day where they got involved in Water Tribe politics...a couple of migitating circumstancial differences (such as being controlled by an evil shaman king) aside...but probably not. But if a spirit decided to take advantage of the war to push their own agenda forward, then maybe.

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    • I wouldn't say the spirits themselves "took an interest" in human politics, so much as they were being basically enslaved by Unalaq working as a proxy for, basically, a God of Chaos. The Water Tribe politics part was a means to an end, really.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Well, there was that time back in Korra's day where they got involved in Water Tribe politics...a couple of migitating circumstancial differences (such as being controlled by an evil shaman king) aside...but probably not. But if a spirit decided to take advantage of the war to push their own agenda forward, then maybe.

      Maybe? I just don't really see it pre-Korra and even then everything is rainbow and sunshine with the spirits. Sarcasm, of course, but pretty much the mindset with spirits. The only spirit I can think of that would want to do something is maybe Koh unless they just made up a group of spirits for this trilogy.

      The situation just looks more and more like a group of fire nation guys that want to have Ozai as leader of the Fire Nation again.

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    • Yeah...well, I guess we'll just have to find out.

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    • @Kubernes: That's what I been saying. Personally, this Kemurikage stuff reminds me of Amon's line of bull about having been chosen/given power by the spirits, only in this case they're impersonating spirits instead. 

      My opinion, it's just a bunch of pro-Ozai fanatics doing the Batman thing, only instead of dressing up like a bat, they're dressing up like spirit-boogeymen instead.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Yeah...well, I guess we'll just have to find out.

      I really hope that it's something completely different or even if all humans and one who was actually a spirit using a human guise. If it's just humans using the image of a spirit, then it's just meh.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Yeah...well, I guess we'll just have to find out.
      I really hope that it's something completely different or even if all humans and one who was actually a spirit using a human guise. If it's just humans using the image of a spirit, then it's just meh.

      I agree, it's kind of predictable imo that it's just going to be spirit impersonators, and not actually spirits. But I really hope I'm wrong, because if we get a cool spirit backstory, that would be epic. But yeah, I still think it's just impersonators:/

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    • Never said it was a good idea or particularly clever - it's utterly predictable. And yeah, kinda "meh". Not particularly exciting. 

      But IMO, it's still by a very long way the likeliest possibility.

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    • It was confirmed that it was Azula and some of her mental instutition buddies.

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