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  • They never go into much detail of Varrick's childhood, so I think it's possible.

    Just consider the similarities: they are both non-benders; they are of the Southern Water Tribe; they are both genius inventors; they are eccentric; they are brilliant strategists.

    Does anyone think it is remotely possible?

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    • ...I would love that. I really would. I think it works (I swear they have the same crazy eyes), and it's quite the idea. It's just that, like Kanto with Toph and Lin, Varrick's background (grew up on a farm, rode an ostrich horse, joined the circus) does not really match up with that of the characters we know and love. (Aside from that, I'm not-so-secretly hoping for Sokka to be Suyin's father, but I'm not sure if that will work out or if it will be smushed like the Satoru fans probably were.)

      Maybe he did get to know Sokka, though. He must have had dealings with Republic City, and Sokka moved back to become a chief of the Southern Tribe at some point (I kinda think it's why Unalaq stepped in afterwards, because there was a succession crisis after his death). Hey, if fatherhood doesn't work, I'll willingly accept mentorhood.

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    • Not this topic again. Varrick already mentioned he's the son of a poor seal hunter; If he were Sokka's son, it would have come up

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    • His backstory is a bit convoluted, isn't it? Farming, seal-hunting, canoes, ostrich-horses, Pirates, the circus... where does this mysterious madman hail from?

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      His backstory is a bit convoluted, isn't it? Farming, seal-hunting, canoes, ostrich-horses, Pirates, the circus... where does this mysterious madman hail from?

      Russia? Canada?

      In all seriousness, he's not Sokka's son. We'd know if he was. It'd be totally hilarious if he was though! XD

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    • I'd proudly accept him as a Canadian citizen. Right up there with William Murdoch.

      And, yeah, sadly there's really no chance of it. But that doesn't mean Sokka didn't mentor him at some point! Which might explain a number of things.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      I'd proudly accept him as a Canadian citizen. Right up there with William Murdoch.

      And, yeah, sadly there's really no chance of it. But that doesn't mean Sokka didn't mentor him at some point! Which might explain a number of things.

      It would, actually. Maybe Sokka helped him start his company up? 

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    • Oh, yes, I can definitely see that. And make note of the lack of absence of evidence, people: when Varrick set his goons to blow up the Southern Water Tribe cultural centre, Sokka's statue was left unharmed, boomerang and all. A tribute, perhaps?

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Oh, yes, I can definitely see that. And make note of the lack of absence of evidence, people: when Varrick set his goons to blow up the Southern Water Tribe cultural centre, Sokka's statue was left unharmed, boomerang and all. A tribute, perhaps?

      Wait, really? Hm... that gives this theory more credence.

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    • (Grins) I know.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      (Grins) I know.

      ... It sucks that Sokka died before the show began. Imagine old Sokka and Varrick interacting in the show. 

      Oh my God, that would have been beautiful. 

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      I'd proudly accept him as a Canadian citizen. Right up there with William Murdoch.

      Nothing like our Rupert.

      All joking aside, it is very possible. His backstory does not make sense. Ostrich horses are of the Earth Kingdom...

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    • Duke of Skibbington wrote:

      Nothing like our Rupert.

      All joking aside, it is very possible. His backstory does not make sense. Ostrich horses are of the Earth Kingdom...

      In this age of cultural integration and what-not, it's not that surprising to hear of ostrich-horses in the Southern Water Tribe, is it? I mean, yeah, some of  - if not all - of his story was probably bullshit, but that's part of his character's appeal. 

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    • CommanderZeta wrote:
      Duke of Skibbington wrote:

      Nothing like our Rupert.

      All joking aside, it is very possible. His backstory does not make sense. Ostrich horses are of the Earth Kingdom...

      In this age of cultural integration and what-not, it's not that surprising to hear of ostrich-horses in the Southern Water Tribe, is it? I mean, yeah, some of  - if not all - of his story was probably bullshit, but that's part of his character's appeal. 

      It's like finding a kangaroo in the middle of antarctica, or a polar bear dog in the middle of the Fire Nation. The climate is wrong. 

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    • Meh, because science. Or something like that. 

      But yeah, his story was probably a serious exaggeration. 

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    • I thought at the beginning that he was talking about a stuffed animal. I mean, who actually names a living, breathing being "Mrs. Beaks"?

      Also, about Rupert...isn't he Australian by birth?

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    • Could have; I don't remember. 

      Rupert Murdoch? I looked him up on Wiki; yep. 

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    • Also, it's perfectly possible that Varrick wasn't actually born in the southern tribe. More then possible, all the evidence seems to point to it being likely

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    • Hpfm2 wrote:
      Also, it's perfectly possible that Varrick wasn't actually born in the southern tribe. More then possible, all the evidence seems to point to it being likely

      Could be, but I think that much is at least true. I suppose he could have immigrated there and learned to love the country deeply, but it seems like he was genuinely from the SWT.

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    • CommanderZeta wrote:
      Hpfm2 wrote:
      Also, it's perfectly possible that Varrick wasn't actually born in the southern tribe. More then possible, all the evidence seems to point to it being likely
      Could be, but I think that much is at least true. I suppose he could have immigrated there and learned to love the country deeply, but it seems like he was genuinely from the SWT.

      I do not see why he would try to provoke a war to protect a country that isn't his.

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    • Exactly. Well, immigrants from Europe came to America and willingly fought in our wars (ex: the Irish during the Civil War), so it's not that much of a stretch. 

      Still think he's SWT though. 

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    • I got the idea he was provoking the War so he could get profit out of it

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    • I thought the creators mentioned that Varrick was the son of a seal hunter, not one of the chiefs.

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    • Gilgamesh777 wrote:
      I thought the creators mentioned that Varrick was the son of a seal hunter, not one of the chiefs.

      Something like that. Considering his outlandish behavior and habit of exaggerating - if not outright lying - some of us are taking that claim with a grain of salt. 

      Or, at least I am. 

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    • CommanderZeta wrote:
      Gilgamesh777 wrote:
      I thought the creators mentioned that Varrick was the son of a seal hunter, not one of the chiefs.
      Something like that. Considering his outlandish behavior and habit of exaggerating - if not outright lying - some of us are taking that claim with a grain of salt. 

      Or, at least I am. 

      What would Varrick consider poor?

      And he may be making a statement, if the chief of the North was also the chief of the South, what was Sokka's role? He could be using a metaphor of water tribe people being seals.

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    • Sokka was his village's hunter, fisherman and warrior. Who do you guys think hunted for food? Gran Gran? The little kids? By his interaction with Katara in the first episode and the way he talks about women in the Kyoshi's island i think Katara nor any other woman hunted or did anything aside from what he considered to be women's things. And the kids were too little to do anything besides peeing.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      Sokka was his village's hunter, fisherman and warrior. Who do you guys think hunted for food? Gran Gran? The little kids? By his interaction with Katara in the first episode and the way he talks about women in the Kyoshi's island i think Katara nor any other woman hunted or did anything aside from what he considered to be women's things. And the kids were too little to do anything besides peeing.

      Good point, never thought of it like that.

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    • Sokka...was effectively the everyman of the SWT for a while. To be honest, I reckon "poor" meant "usual" in context, which was a population build up of returning warriors, Northern healers and Benders, and those who had stayed behind, namely those kids, not to mention all the female members of the Tribe. A seal hunter in those conditions doesn't seem too bad.

      Ah...I love the way we can go from parentage to gender roles in a matter of days.

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    • I think in the SWT's culture a hunter would be someone with a high status, like any culture where they live mostly of it. That gave Sokka the authority of banishing Aang from the tribe, and, according to Pinterest, he wasn't unbanished untill the end of the show.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      I think in the SWT's culture a hunter would be someone with a high status, like any culture where they live mostly of it. That gave Sokka the authority of banishing Aang from the tribe, and, according to Pinterest, he wasn't unbanished untill the end of the show.

      Didin;t Hakoda apparently leave Sokka with the task of protecting the tribe? That is likely where his authority (if he indeed had such authority) derived from, and it doesn't seem to be absolute, since Katara appealed to Kanna to stop Sokka from banishing Aang

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    • The Southern Water Tribe seems to act like an elective monarchy, of sorts - at least by the time of Legend of Korra - which would make Sokka something like royalty, right? He's the son of the chief, and we know he eventually became the chief himself. But yeah, he's still a kid, so he knows to heed the wisdom of the elders and whatnot. 

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    • I saw that more like a father saying to his kid "Take care of your mother". He was 10yo, Hakoda was probably just saying something to make him feel better because he wasn't old enough to be going with them. Seein as he is the only one that seems to hunt and fish aside from being the only one capable of defending the village, i think whatever authority he have comes from that. Katara appealed to her because she was their grandmother and he would respect her opinion(while he was going to clearly ignore Katara), in the end Kanna supported his decision so we will never know. Must say that i never claimed his authority was absolute, only that as the hunter and warrior of the tribe his status was high enough to give him authority to banish Aang.

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    • Banishing Avatars...first Aang, then Korra. Hmm...I wonder if Kuruk's ever got banishedTM from anywhere?

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    • Also, from my understanding, Sokka was de facto chief, but it seems to have come more from his being the only male near-adult in the tribe rather than being Hakoda's son. In my headcanon chiefs are the older/stronger/wiser males chosen by the tribe to represent them (maybe the oldest in a family?), and the leader would be chosen by the other chiefs. The point is, though, that Sokka and Katara probably wouldn't have the royalty status Unalaq seems to in Book 2, because the SWT generally seems much more communal and even democratic than their northern sister (say nothing, Americans, those are Inuit we're talking about here).

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote: Banishing Avatars...first Aang, then Korra. Hmm...I wonder if Kuruk's ever got banishedTM from anywhere?

      More than likely. He got into trouble wherever he went due his actions (challenging random fire benders to Agni Kai, flirting with air nuns, etc.).

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    • Also, Hakoda was only chief of that village in the SWT, not the whole SWT.

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    • Gilgamesh777 wrote:

      Avatar Vyakara wrote: Banishing Avatars...first Aang, then Korra. Hmm...I wonder if Kuruk's ever got banishedTM from anywhere?

      More than likely. He got into trouble wherever he went due his actions (challenging random fire benders to Agni Kai, flirting with air nuns, etc.).

      I can see him being banished from the FN due to the Agni Kais.

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    • Agni-Kais are supposed to be honor-duels - sometimes to the death, right? I wouldn't be surprised if he was banished from the Fire Nation.

      I was under the assumption that the little village in A:tLA was all that remained of the SWT. Also, by the time of Korra, the SWT is united under one chiefdom - which appears to have a lineage dating back to the tiny village we saw in the original show. In fact - I think the city we see in Book 2 of Korra is the same place as the village. 

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Also, from my understanding, Sokka was de facto chief, but it seems to have come more from his being the only male near-adult in the tribe rather than being Hakoda's son. In my headcanon chiefs are the older/stronger/wiser males chosen by the tribe to represent them (maybe the oldest in a family?), and the leader would be chosen by the other chiefs. The point is, though, that Sokka and Katara probably wouldn't have the royalty status Unalaq seems to in Book 2, because the SWT generally seems much more communal and even democratic than their northern sister (say nothing, Americans, those are Inuit we're talking about here).

      Question is, how did Tonraq, a northerner become the chief of the Southern Water Tribe after his banishment? And how did the NWT become the leader of the SWT?

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    • Duke of Skibbington wrote:
      Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Also, from my understanding, Sokka was de facto chief, but it seems to have come more from his being the only male near-adult in the tribe rather than being Hakoda's son. In my headcanon chiefs are the older/stronger/wiser males chosen by the tribe to represent them (maybe the oldest in a family?), and the leader would be chosen by the other chiefs. The point is, though, that Sokka and Katara probably wouldn't have the royalty status Unalaq seems to in Book 2, because the SWT generally seems much more communal and even democratic than their northern sister (say nothing, Americans, those are Inuit we're talking about here).
      Question is, how did Tonraq, a northerner become the chief of the Southern Water Tribe after his banishment? And how did the NWT become the leader of the SWT?

      He didn't become Chief until after Unalaq's defeat and the SWT's official independence. As to why they united, we don't know; it happened sometime after the Hundred Year War; maybe the NWT used their aid mission to the South as a way to assert power, or maybe it was a mutual decision, but we don't really know

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    • QueenCeline wrote:
      Duke of Skibbington wrote:
      Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Also, from my understanding, Sokka was de facto chief, but it seems to have come more from his being the only male near-adult in the tribe rather than being Hakoda's son. In my headcanon chiefs are the older/stronger/wiser males chosen by the tribe to represent them (maybe the oldest in a family?), and the leader would be chosen by the other chiefs. The point is, though, that Sokka and Katara probably wouldn't have the royalty status Unalaq seems to in Book 2, because the SWT generally seems much more communal and even democratic than their northern sister (say nothing, Americans, those are Inuit we're talking about here).
      Question is, how did Tonraq, a northerner become the chief of the Southern Water Tribe after his banishment? And how did the NWT become the leader of the SWT?
      He didn't become Chief until after Unalaq's defeat and the SWT's official independence. As to why they united, we don't know; it happened sometime after the Hundred Year War; maybe the NWT used their aid mission to the South as a way to assert power, or maybe it was a mutual decision, but we don't really know

      Afer Unalaq's invasion, people gathered at Tonraq's house and asked him for his advice.

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    • Duke of Skibbington wrote:
      QueenCeline wrote:
      Duke of Skibbington wrote:
      Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Also, from my understanding, Sokka was de facto chief, but it seems to have come more from his being the only male near-adult in the tribe rather than being Hakoda's son. In my headcanon chiefs are the older/stronger/wiser males chosen by the tribe to represent them (maybe the oldest in a family?), and the leader would be chosen by the other chiefs. The point is, though, that Sokka and Katara probably wouldn't have the royalty status Unalaq seems to in Book 2, because the SWT generally seems much more communal and even democratic than their northern sister (say nothing, Americans, those are Inuit we're talking about here).
      Question is, how did Tonraq, a northerner become the chief of the Southern Water Tribe after his banishment? And how did the NWT become the leader of the SWT?
      He didn't become Chief until after Unalaq's defeat and the SWT's official independence. As to why they united, we don't know; it happened sometime after the Hundred Year War; maybe the NWT used their aid mission to the South as a way to assert power, or maybe it was a mutual decision, but we don't really know
      Afer Unalaq's invasion, people gathered at Tonraq's house and asked him for his advice.

      Tonraq seems to have been highly repsected in the SWT; I think he was on the council and he may have well led it or had a leading role. Still, until Unalaq's fall, he was not the chief. Plus, it makes sense they'd ask Tonraq since he's a former NWT prince and the brother of person invading them.

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    • According to the wiki, after the SWT was created they decided to recognize the NWT's chief as theirs if they could keep some autonomy. That before the war, but i don't remember anyone saying it.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      According to the wiki, after the SWT was created they decided to recognize the NWT's chief as theirs if they could keep some autonomy. That before the war, but i don't remember anyone saying it.

      I've never heard anything about this. Before which war, by the way?

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    • It's in the Water Tribes page. Hundred Years War.

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    • I think (though I hope not) that something happened to Sokka during the Red Lotus attack, which pushed the SWT into anarchy. While the White Lotus tried to contain them and secure the Avatar, Unalaq (fresh out of the conspiracy) offered to oversee governance as interim Chief. He never actually stopped.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      I think (though I hope not) that something happened to Sokka during the Red Lotus attack, which pushed the SWT into anarchy. While the White Lotus tried to contain them and secure the Avatar, Unalaq (fresh out of the conspiracy) offered to oversee governance as interim Chief. He never actually stopped.

      That's interesting - I could see something like that, but if the SWT values its independence (as we have seen), I feel like they'd sooner elect one of their own. I really don't know why Unalaq was ever the chief of the South.

      As for him bringing his military in and occupying the South under the pretext of uniting the tribes permanently (meaning, he'd never been chief of the South in the first place), I could see that making more sense.

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    • Well, I did say interim. And he might have brought the army down in the first place. (Yeah, him being chief of both tribes was really confusing and didn't really add much except making the war into a civil war, which I'm certain only added to Mako and Korra's breakup. I mean, if all of your character development over six months can be reversed on a boat trip, imagine what a complex situation will do to you.)

      (Okay, that last part was petty. BUT STILL!)

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    • Meh, you have reason to be petty. Book 2 is my least favorite of the four, and in my opinion, the weakest of the four as well. 

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    • It had some great music though. Jinora's Light is a great piece, as well as that instrumental that plays when Korra battles UnaVaatu. I wish they'd release it :(

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    • That before the war.

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    • I'll admit, there was some pretty amazing music. I've been trying to find Wan's battle with Vaatu for months now, and I still can't find it.

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    • We should ask Jeremy Zuckerman to just release it on his SoundCloud >:D. It's a wonderful piece ^^

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    • Agreed.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Agreed.

      I have no idea what piece of music you guys are talking about - I don't remember it. Could you not find it on YouTube? I mean, you can find damn-near anything on YouTube, lol. 

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    • Well, you can find it, but only in actual clips of the show. It's the song that plays in Beginnings Part 2 during Harmonic Convergence and the first battle of the Avatar. At the risk of sounding clichéd, check it out. (No, not saying that again. But it is gorgeous.)

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    • A variation also plays during Korra's battle with UnaVaatu where she runs at UnaVaatu and avoids the tentacle assault. In both clips, other sounds get in the way of the music, which is fine in the context of the show itself, but bad if you just want the music :/

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    • some ppl still think Varrick is Sokka's son. why? why do ppl still think that?

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    • Because they both are nonbenders from the Water Tribe who have clever texhnological ideas and quirky personalities?

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    • Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      Because they both are nonbenders from the Water Tribe who have clever texhnological ideas and quirky personalities?

      As hilarious as it would be, I don't see any possibilty in it. Varrick being Sokka's protege? Now that I could see. 

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:
      some ppl still think Varrick is Sokka's son. why? why do ppl still think that?

      Want another reason? In B3E5, "The Metal Clan", Varrick tells Lin/Team Avatar that he "rang up my old friend Suyin". 

      Suyin is a Beifong, and Toph's daughter. Varrick -> Sokka -> Toph -> Suyin

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    • If Verrick was Sokka's son, he'd be Katara's nephew and the cousin of Tenzin and his siblings. Such a connection would've been mentioned. I also doubt Verrick was his protege because Sokka was not an inventor. I believe Tao mentored Verrick.

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    • Wait, he looks young enough to be his grandson.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: If Verrick was Sokka's son, he'd be Katara's nephew and the cousin of Tenzin and his siblings. Such a connection would've been mentioned. I also doubt Verrick was his protege because Sokka was not an inventor. I believe Tao mentored Verrick.

      and the Uncle of Tenzin's kids. I think.

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