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  • Korra got a lot of flak in Book 2 for her actions, particularly in peace keepers for her tratment of Mako. Opal has a very similar temperment with Bolin in Book 4 yet most side with her on the issue. How come? The situations are almost the same with both being concerned for their families enough to take questionable actions yet Korra apoligizes in the end while Opal is right.

    Is there some difference here I don't see? 

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    • I understand Opal's position, but I think she was being a moron, much like I think Korra's treatment of Mako was pretty crappy. In neither case would I consider the womenfolk being fair to the menfolk. But good point, (as far as I recall) Opal never apologized or seemed to acknowledge any wrongdoing/unfairness on her part, and I'd say she definitely owes Bolin an apology whereas Bolin did not do anything warranting her condemnation (intent matters, he was helping people and when he found that their morality (he and Kuvira's) was not in sync he immediately left and actively opposed her).

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    • Well, I personally believe Mako was correct in tipping off Raiko about Korra's actions. Mako's duty is to his country. As for Bolin, he was doing what he thought was right. However, Opal believe Bolin to betray her family and perhaps was considering the idea of him joining her family.

      I believe both women to be in the wrong, but Opal more justifiably so.

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    • Are you kidding me?  Most of what I've seen has been people ripping on Opal for being angry.

      By the way: in both cases, the girl being angry was entirely justifiable.  Korra was eighteen and sheltered and had the figurative weight of the literal world on her shoulders, and Mako was being Mako; Opal's concerns in regards to what Kuvira was doing had become decidedly personal, and Bolin was being Bolin...and when his hands weren't entirely clean, no less.  But in both cases, the narrative framed the girl as being in the wrong (all the more so in Korra's case, with falling for Varrick's half-baked false-flag plan and flipping desks):  Look at Mako trying to be the voice of reason while Korra is being irrational.  Look at Bolin trying to be sweet while Opal is being irrational.  Please ignore how there's a genuine problem that Korra or Opal is desperate to fix, and how Mako or Bolin is being absolutely no help right now and possibly even complicated matters.

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    • I can understand them being angry, it's a natural thing to do, but at the same time, the men in question didn't do wrong.

      You're rationalizing Korra's position, not justifying it.

      How were Bolin's hands dirty? Bolin was helping people and working on what was reasonably apparant to him, he wasn't doing anything underhanded and had no particular shown reason to doubt Kuvira until a fair amount into the events of book four. Opal had a different perspective and if she actually had substantial reason to condemn Kuvira, she should have shared this with Bolin, rather than saying, "how can you work with Kuvira" and immediately go on the offensive toward him without giving valid reasons why she's a problem and what she's doing is wrong. Without getting into whether or not Kuvira and her actions were justified, Bolin didn't have reason to believe he was doing bad things, and Opal did nothing to inform or have any real dialogue with Bolin.

      No, in Opal's case the narrative framed Opal to be right and Bolin wrong about Kuvira. In Korra's case...well, if the shoe fits, Korra was being irrational (as was Opal, she was working on personal bias against Kuvira stemming from siding with her mother over Kuvira's leaving Zaofu, not for what was actually going on). Mako was distrustful of Varrick and worked to find proof (and succeeded, but nobody listened to him, despite having compelling evidence). Fair enough, Korra wasn't privy to this and was all onboard with Varrick, however, Mako was trying to talk to her and she flips the desks rather than use her words or otherwise be a measured, decent human being. Soooooo, yeah, that is on Korra.

      Again, without getting into whether Kuvira was right, wrong, or somewhere in between, looking at Bolin's actions, where is he problematic and if so, how so in any more of a capacity than Raiko/URN or the Air Nation? Keep in mind, Air Nation and URN officially supported Kuvira at least until the coronation. Opal already was treating Bolin poorly before that point. I'll grant you that Bolin could have been sensitive to the fact that Opal disliked Kuvira and perhaps not gone to work with her in the first place because of that, but as far as Bolin's actual actions and intentions, he was doing good for his people and in a manner that most of the world was on board with too. Now, we don't know all of their interactions and how they went down between book 3 and 4, but we're still at Opal not respectfully discussing the matter with him and if she had reason to believe he was working for a monster and doing evil deeds unknowingly, she didn't articulate them, she chose to treat him like shit rather than convey to him what she knew or had reason to believe of her and let him make an informed choice. And in the end, she is vindicated because the narrative makes Kuvira out to be the villain, and she doesn't apologize or even acknowledge that she should have filled him in (assuming she even actually knew anything of substance beyond just being pissed that Kuvira slighted Suyin). The difference here is, Bolin wasn't throwing desks and flipping out on Opal, he genuinely wanted things to work between them and help people too, and he tried to have a discussion with her, she just wanted to yell at him and then have nothing to do with him.

      Even if we were to agree that Kuvira was totally wrong, Opal should have handled it better with Bolin. She treated him poorly and he deserved better. Korra treated Mako poorly, and she was wrong to boot.

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    • I agree completely, Weltall. Yes, there was a significant problem in both cases; yes, families were involved, so it's a bit touchy. But seriously, Opal and Bolin last season were the height of talking to one another. That was what started them out, not flirting (well, not as badly) or semi-sadistic romance or glamour. Bolin actually swallowed his flirting (which didn't work anyway) and actually talked. And you know what, so did Opal. They both admitted they got along better when they were able to communicate. And Bolin, judging by his letters to Korra, communicates even better long-distance (I'm like that myself). So really, unless one or t'other just couldn't find time to write, I don't see how it could have gotten that bad. I really don't.

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    • Are we forgetting the part where the Water Tribes were about to get caught in a civil war and Korra was being thwarted in her attempts to defuse the situation? 

      Opal had seen evidence that Kuvira was going all no-way-of-determining-their-loyalty—which she out-and-out mentions—and Bolin didn't listen to her until it was almost too late.  Then, when she was understandably angry with him, he feigned an injury to get her attention and tried to placate her with a picnic. 

      The idea that she was somehow in the wrong for being further incensed at his flippant handling of the situation is patently bizarre.  However, the very fact that the scene can be interpreted as Opal "treating [Bo] poorly" indicates that she was being framed as in the wrong, or at least equally culpable.

      Teal-deer: I ain't the one "rationalizing."

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    • And that's Mako's fault? Mako wasn't drinking the Kool-Aid and he got to the bottom of it before anyone, nobody listened, including his girlfriend, even when he tried to talk to her rationally.

      IF that were even true about Opal, the fact remains, she didn't explain this to Bolin and held it against Bolin for not knowing what she did when she was in a position to enlighten him. It wasn't that Bolin didn't listen (like Korra in the situation with Mako), it was that Opal wouldn't talk to him.

      I'm not saying Bolin handled things perfectly, but he did deal with things far better than she did given the circumstances. It was childish to fake the injury, however, she wouldn't even discuss things with him. He was trying to open the lines of communication again, lines which she had severed. Really, she created the rift between them and had all the power to end it, even to have prevented it in the first place.

      That's completely asinine and you should know that. The show is trying to beat into our heads (albeit poorly) that Kuvira's bad, Bolin is a stooge, and Opal's right about Kuvira the whole time, culminating in Bolin needing redemption. Opal is actually being a crappy relationship partner, however, the narrative seemingly attempts to lead us to believe that she is justified because she and we know that "Kuvira's bad." "That scene," I'm assuming you're talking about Bolin and his ill fated picnic/injury, frankly, should further drive home the point that Opal's the problem, because Bolin is trying desperately to get her to talk to him and repair their relationship, but she won't have any of that and this stems from her knowing something that he didn't know, she didn't even seem to try to explain to him, and she makes no attempts to mend the relationship herself, despite his attempts. Sure, that's certainly her right to not want to be with him, but it's really shitty of her to hold that against him when she could have prevented the whole conflict or at least given him the information to make an informed decision (if she herself ever even actually knew to begin with), then she could have justifiably been angry at him if he still opted to remain with Kuvira.

      Except, you were flat out rationalizing:

      By the way: in both cases, the girl being angry was entirely justifiable.  Korra was eighteen and sheltered and had the figurative weight of the literal world on her shoulders, and Mako was being Mako;

      Korra being young, sheltered, or having to deal with the stress of being the Avatar isn't a direct connection to the point of contention of her and Mako's disagreement on the Water Tribe Civil War nor is it even fair of her to take that out on Mako, it isn't Mako's fault she's the Avatar or that the war is going on.  He tried to be supportive and was trying to (and eventually succeeded) get to the bottom of the plot related to it. Also, for that matter, he's just about as young, while not sheltered, he had to raise himself and his brother as an orphan without a loving home with people taking care of him, and he has a stressful career, why don't you cut him a break too? Like I said, I could empathize or understand why she's stressed out, but it doesn't make her subsequent actions right or even reasonable. It's not okay for her to pull a stunt like when she busted into Mako's workplace, started arguing with him, and flipped a desk.

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    • Yeah, I'm afraid I go with Korra on the side of irrationality here. On the other hand, I don't blame her as much as I blame the writers for desperately manipulating events so they could break up. I dunno, I dread to think what would happen had they tried that with Aang and Katara in the comics. I reckon folk would be trying to burn down poor Gene Yang's studio. But, it's Korra, ladies and gentlemen! It's overpowered teenagers trying to...live their lives from entirely different perspectives and not kill one another by doing so!

      Honestly, I just think cops in Korra are destined to have bad romance lives. Three words: Toph, Lin, Mako. Three generations of broken hearts, people.

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    • Off topic but, I don't know, Toph might have had a pretty good romantic life that fit what she wanted. I could see her as the type not looking to be tied down to any one person. Mako seems well adjusted and he's still really young.

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    • Fine, but remember, that's Toph. She's already made a name for herself outside of being Chief of Police. Lin and Mako don't really have much else; I mean, Mako was one of the best Probenders out there, but come Season 2 and everyone's forgotten all about it, and it's because of stresses with his job partially contributed to his breaking up with Korra. And Lin wanted to be a cop from day one, by the sound of it, which may have done much to break her relationship with Tenzin.

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    • I've seen plenty of the fans criticize Opal's treatment of Bolin. In both cases,I find their anger justifiable. Korra was mad at Mako for preventing her from helping her peole. In Opal's case, she was angry at Bolin for helping a woman who had hurt her family. In both cases, while the anger is justifibale, the other side has a point, too; Mako was just doing his job and possibly preventing an international incident and Bolin didn't realize Kuvira was a bad person at first (and abandoned her when he did)

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    • Being angry is one thing, how they acted on that anger is another.

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    • I don't know about the audience's reaction, but there is a very simple answer to why the characters had different reactions.

      One incident involved Mako, the other involved Bolin.

      None of the other characters really cared about the relationship drama except for the couples themselves. And Mako's reaction to having his behavior called into question is to get defensive over it. Bolin's is more about seeking harmony. He isn't the kind of person to hold Opal's reactions against her, he just wants to make things right between them.

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    • Look at their personalities, though. I know, I know, elements don't make the person, but in a way, they really do. You can learn a lot about a person by what element they Bend. And Mako, spirits bless him, is a Firebender. He can be loud, and quick to anger, and smoldering, and strong-willed, but he's also brave, and quick, and industrious, and very, very alive. Bolin is an Earthbender, and being an Earthbender he can be very stubborn about the things that he believes are right. He won't budge from his convictions without hard evidence, but he can take a blow (after a bit, of course), and is incredibly persistent. Even in Korra, the producers didn't let go of the idea that your Bending is an aspect of yourself.

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