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  • In an interview with Guardian Magazine. Dev Patel said Last Airbender was 'a huge disappointment'

    "I just remember being totally overwhelmed by the whole experience. ... It’s hard promoting a film you didn’t enjoy and don’t fully believe in, and I felt bad. I felt sorry that I’d let these fans down, because I was a big fan of the cartoon it was based on growing up. ... Someone’s going to reboot it and do it right, for sure. But I was at the stage in my career where you don’t have any say. And on paper, it looked great." — Dev Patel on The Last Airbender movie

    What changed? In an interview from roughly a year ago said he had'no regrets' about starring in Last Airbender. and there is also the fact that he supported the movie during it's publicity campaign.

    What do you guys think about his Change of heart?

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: What do you guys think about his Change of heart?

      He saw it?

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    • Yes. Yes he did. But so did Nicola Peltz and she didn't appear to have any regrets about it.

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    • An Unknown in her first *starring* role? 
      She *better not* have anything bad to say about the hands feeding her. Already bad enough the vehicle is chit, don't further tempt your career's fate by bad mouthing those who extended you your First Chance.
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    • Then there is the fact there were Nepotism accusations. . . that M Night only hired her because she was related to the producer.

      Anyway, go see Dev's movie Chappie. He deserves it after coming out like this.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: Yes. Yes he did. But so did Nicola Peltz and she didn't appear to have any regrets about it.

      Probably 'cause she wouldn't know good acting if it shoved her rudely.

      I don't know what the heck Dev has to feel bad about, it's nearly ubiquitous that he was the best & most appropriately cast actor in the movie.

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    • I don't know what the heck Dev has to feel bad about, it's nearly ubiquitous that he was the best & most appropriately cast actor in the movie.

      I dunno about that. . . I mean he was bad, but I blame that more on the bad direction than anything having to do with his acting chops. He was the least bad, and he looks nothing like Zuko in the show. . . but again, Shamhammer and company's fault not Dev's. I can't exactly resent him for taking a role that in the hands of a better director, could have catapulted him up there with the likes of Daniel Radcliffe. You can only live of the royalties from your last movie for so long.

      But here's the thing, he originally supported the movie even years after the fact. But now his opinion has changed. Why? So one of several things must have happened.

      1) He hated working on it from the get go, but was contractually obligated to support it in the press. Now, like Bryan and Mike he feels he can 

      2) The less likely of the two He had an okay experience on the set, but was pressured by people to give up support for the movie out of fear of hurting his career.

      Here's an excerpt from an interview with him about Chappie where he shows disdain about the movie. Full interviewhere.

      Rico Gagliano: And the first one is: if we were to meet you at a dinner party, what question would you least like to be asked?


      Dev Patel: “How was it filming ‘The Last Airbender?'”


      Rico Gagliano: Ha!  For those who don’t know, “The Last Airbender” was kind of a martial arts, fantasy movie you did right after “Slumdog Millionaire,” which actually did very well at the box office, but was pillared by critics.


      Dev Patel: Exactly.


      Rico Gagliano: I can’t even imagine what that was like — coming off something as beloved as “Slumdog” and into the reception that that film got.


      Dev Patel: Well, it’s interesting because “Slumdog”… I worked incredibly hard for it, you know? But there was still something inside of me that felt not worthy of walking these red carpets at the Oscars. For someone who’s… I dunno if I was even eighteen when the film came out.. and it’s your first movie… you want to be able to test the waters.  But as an actor, every risk you take is public.

      And at the time, I was getting very stereotypical type of roles — quite similar to “Slumdog” — and this role came in. I’m crazy about martial arts, I love this cartoon. And Bruce Lee was my icon. On paper it seemed incredible.  But I was very overwhelmed — you know, the craft service of “The Last Airbender” was the budget of the entire film of “Slumdog,”!  You know, you kind of feel very small and powerless in this big kind of machine, this big corporate machine. It was very humbling, not that I’d gotten big-headed, I hope.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote on another thread on my wall:
      Speaking of Discussions. Care to talk about Dev Patels recent coming out about his experience on the movie?

      Certainly. Although, I think you missed a few more "revelations" like this interview a few weeks ago.

      Chappie aside, have you ever been immortalised in action-figure form?
      I have. I did this god-awful film called The Last Airbender, and the best part was that my character got his own Happy Meal toy.

      OMFG. He calls the movie "god-awful"?! Icon_surprised.gif Doesn't that make you prouder than a peacock with Dev Patel because he has jumped on the hate bandwagon? I supposed it's true what they say about "misery loves company". Miserable people won't stop until everyone is sucked into their collective misery.

      Of course, if you actually followed Dev Patel (instead of having selective interests in his career), you would know he slipped up a month after the movie came out.

      "You know, you can't lie and say that every single review written about the film is wrong. But for me, it's really tricky. Because at this stage in my career I didn't have as much say as I would have liked in the film. Yes, there are parts in it that truly amaze me. But there are others, you know..."
      Dev Patel on The Last Airbender movie

      He also said (back in early 2012) that it was "crap" to work in a big budget movie (The Last Airbender) after working on the low-budget movie (Slumdog Millionaire).

      "The great thing is I did a really big budget once and it was absolutely crap, it was called The Last Airbender. And it was not very good at all. That, you very so small in the process, you feel so diluted because… and I can’t really put it down to any one person in particular apart from that when you’re on these big budget movies it becomes this machine and it’s hard, especially not being a big name in a movie like that you don’t really have a lot of weigh"
      Dev Patel working on The Last Airbender movie

      Okay, we already knew he hated the movie AND the working experience, so what is the pay-off to reopen old wounds? If you actually bothered to step back and look at the big picture, you would know it's all part of an inter-studio promotional campaign (with Sony Pictures, Fox Studios, Nickelodeon and Syfy).

      • Sony wants to promote CHAPPiE (rated R) and Fox wants to promote Marigold Hotel 2 (rated PG). Both movies star Dev Patel and can serve each other's counter-programming (due to different ratings and target audience) so Sony and Fox positioned them to be released in the US on the same day, March 6.
      • Fox also wants to promote the upcoming Alien sequel, which will be directed by Neill Blomkamp and starring Sigourney Weaver, both of them are in Sony's CHAPPiE movie.
      • Fox also wants to promote X-Men Age of Apocalypse and Wolverine 3, which stars Hugh Jackman, who is also in the CHAPPiE movie.
      • Syfy is advertising CHAPPiE for Sony and saw an opportunity to cross-promote Dev Patel by airing The Last Airbender movie on that Saturday and Sunday.
      • Paramount Home Media Distribution is distributing The Legend of Korra Book 4 DVD/Blu-Ray so to save advertising money, they let Syfy air the movie (to raise brand awareness of The Last Airbender franchise) and release the DVD/Blu-Ray on the following Tuesday.

      It's a pretty slick collaboration if you think about it. Sadly, CHAPPiE under-performed but fortunately, Marigold Hotel 2 over-performed.[1] Also, if you noticed, Dev Patel didn't specifically mention anything bad about M.Night, only the movie itself. Fox wouldn't let him because M.Night is their producer and director of Fox's upcoming Wayward Pines event TV series AND Fox's upcoming movie Labor of Love with Bruce Willis. You can forget about Fox letting Dev calling the movie racist because their Chairman/CEO has decreed that racebending Egyptians with white people is a good thing. [Oh, Fox is probably cozying up with M.Night so they can seduce him into selling the TLA movie rights just to sit on the rights forever and let James Cameron's Avatar be the only Avatar movie that matters.]

      Ah... but Paramount/Nickelodeon did let Dev reveal something about the movie. They are leaning on a reboot. There's been more news development on that since then. I would have said something but you had closed out the last rumors and updates thread. I suppose what you don't know won't hurt you so... Lixa.gif

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    • After actually watching Chappie, the cross promotion makes perfect sense.

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    • So you actually knew that people were praising the movie for business reasons as early as a month after its release, but you kept using these quotes & denouncing them as "jumping on the bandwagon" when they stopped anyway.

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    • ^ See. This is what happens when you selectively ignore the stuff I write. What have people been telling you about me?

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      I knew that people were praising the movie for business reasons even before the movie came out.[1] I even knew that Bryan was very upset when he showed up at NYC premiere for the movie. However, this is showbiz. How any of them (including M.Night) really felt about the movie is irrelevant. You don't f**k with the studios, especially when you don't have the leverage on an IP you don't even own.

      This is a neutral quote — it doesn't praise or condemn the movie. Bryan should have stayed with this, and not picked sides. At least, not publicly anyway. [but they can drop hints here and there, like they did with Korrasami before Nick allowed them to confirm it.] It doesn't matter if Mike liked the movie or Bryan doesn't — the only opinion of the movie that matters is your own. But for some of you, your own hate wasn't enough. Bryan eventually caved in and openly "jumped on the hate bandwagon". The fans rejoiced but the crew paid for it.

      The real question you should be asking is why didn't Nickelodeon get Mike and Bryan to temper the racebending backlash, just as they did with Kevin Eastman with the TMNT movie? I already told you why... Judy McGrath was in charge of Nickelodeon at the time, and she was pissed that Brad Grey (Paramount) conspired with Philippe Dauman (Viacom) to take control of Nickelodeon Movies from her.

      After the movie became financially successful anyway, McGrath greenlit Korra Book 1 but allowed it to be a critical commentary on Paramount's handling of the movie production. She was then retired and a lot of poop went down.

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      Kubernes wrote:
      After actually watching Chappie, the cross promotion makes perfect sense.

      CHAPPiE earned a B CinemaScore so it most people liked the movie.[2] The trick is to enough people interested to watch it in the first place. It's an unproven concept but with $49M budget, Sony can afford to take artistic risks. Maybe having Blomkamp and Weaver talk about Alien 5 during their CHAPPiE interviews became a distraction[3] rather than an effective cross-promotion. Maybe it was the marketing confusion.[4] Idontknow.gif

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    • Well, I think he finally felt the pain everybody felt when they watched the film. I hope that at least someone will try to make a better version of ATLA.

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    • ^ Pain? I can understand if anyone is "deeply disappointed" with the film, but you must have lived the life of luxury if you are "in pain" over a lousy $150 million fan-art. Eusa_snooty.gif

      Sure, we can hope for a better version of ATLA. It doesn't mean we'll get it (or entitled to it) though. :(

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    • Why should we care about what he thinks of a movie he worked in?

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    • Rumors and Updates 17 is up. Exciting times... Icon_biggrin.gif

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    • Hasdi why do you have to be such a stuck up Douche about everything? ITS A FUCKING MOVIE move on with your life. Sequel remake whatever is not happening for the foreseeable future. Get over it, and find another live action remake that pisses all over the source material to glorify.

      You have no fucking proof that Bryan saying he hated the movie had any effect on Korra and it wasn't for some other reason Nick cut the budget for an episode. and even if that is the case. So what? Who gives a crap? The studio is out to make money, and supporting a series connected to such a crappy movie isn't exactly in their best interests.

      Why do you keep going out of your way to say that parts of the show are meant to be allegories for the way the show was treated by the company? Where is your fucking proof? Do you have word from Bryan and Mike saying they intended the wolfbats beating Korra in probending to be an allegory for Twilight beating Shamhammers film at the box office? No? Then Shut up. Do you have proof via word from Bryan and Mike saying they intended Earth Queen to be an allegory for Judy McGrath? No? THEN SHUT UP!

      What DO we have proof of? That the movie sucked. That everyone except you hated it. That the creators of the source material hated it, and in the case of Dev Patel, that the cast hated working on it, and not because the fans go out of their way to make people hate it, or force them to jump on any fucking 'band wagon'. But because they've seen the final with their own two eyes, and universally agree it is not a good film.

      You're the miserable one, trying to make the rest of us miserable by trying to convince us against all logic that we should like and support the movie for 'the good of the franchise'. Because apparrently supporting ashitty 200+ million film that barely made back it's budget will somehow 'save the franchise' and allow more airbender movies to be made, thus extending the life of the franchise.

      The only one who wants that is you! You Asshole! You can't make us like the movie by bullying us for not liking it, and as much as I try to meet you halfway and be nice and reasonable yopu go out of your goddamned way to be an asshole..

      It's terrible, and it's a stain on the franchise that will NEVER go away! By saying it's good, you are hurting the source material, hurting the creators. hurting the franchise, and hurting the other 99% of people in the universe who want the franchise to stay good, stay high quality!

      You've done nothing but make the lives of the people on this forum hell.

      and with that, I sign off with a big:

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    • To be fair, you keep bitching about the (shitty) movie that he likes. Isn't it enough that you (and many others of us) don't like the movie?

      What "halfway" are you talking about? You make blogs and threads specifically to troll him. And you constantly say he's a horrible person for his views, that =/= "nice." I'm not at all saying he's entirely blameless, but holy shit, you go out of your way to antagonize him without even seemingly attempting to mask blatant ad hominem attacks.

      Granted, I think he's dead wrong about the movie not sucking, but him liking it and him expressing that, doesn't make existence hellish.

      FFS chill out.

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    • What "halfway" are you talking about? You make blogs and threads specifically to troll him. And you constantly say he's a horrible person for his views, that =/= "nice." I'm not at all saying he's entirely blameless, but holy shit, you go out of your way to antagonize him without even seemingly attempting to mask blatant ad hominem attacks.

      So does he.

      doesn't matter either way. I'm leaving the wiki, and I don't think I'll be returning anytime soon.

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    • So, you corroborate this.

      Bye.

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    • What have people been telling you about me?

      Nobody "told" me anything, you, directly, kept claiming that people "liked" the movie to try to rub it in the faces of "the haters."

      Whom would I be talking with about you anyway? Do you really think you're important enough that people say more than 2 words about you when you're not around?

      I knew that people were praising the movie for business reasons even before the movie came out.[1] I even knew that Bryan was very upset when he showed up at NYC premiere for the movie.

      You're really just making yourself look like an even bigger liar.

      However, this is showbiz. How any of them (including M.Night) really felt about the movie is irrelevant.

      I am going to project this quote onto the goddamn moon for the whole world to see.

      Then I'll ask you why you keep bitching about Bryan's "attack on M. Night" if his opinion is so "irrelevant"? Or, you know, how you complain when ANYONE dislikes the movie, bitching about how they're "ruining the franchise."

      But for some of you, your own hate wasn't enough. Bryan eventually caved in and openly "jumped on the hate bandwagon". The fans rejoiced but the crew paid for it.

      Right on schedule. Hasdi...have you been doxxed? Has somebody tracked down your personal information to threaten you or egg your house or whatever? Has your film Wiki been shut down?

      NONE of that happened? Wow, really? Hm. It's almost like we either don't care if you support the movie, don't have the power to do anything about it, or both.

      Wait, I forgot to put on my tinfoil hat & conspiracy theorist goggles: Clearly, this just means that we're planning something HUGE. Probably the assassination of M. Night Shyamalan.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      So you actually knew that people were praising the movie for business reasons as early as a month after its release, but you kept using these quotes & denouncing them as "jumping on the bandwagon" when they stopped anyway.

      Swing and a miss. It's just that its promoting a movie that's a terrible interpretation of an existing franchise or idea: Avatar using Avatar (obv) and Chappie being, pending on your individual view, a terrible version of District 9, Robocop, or Short Circuit. District 9 tends to lead.

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    • Kubernes wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      So you actually knew that people were praising the movie for business reasons as early as a month after its release, but you kept using these quotes & denouncing them as "jumping on the bandwagon" when they stopped anyway.

      Swing and a miss. It's just that its promoting a movie that's a terrible interpretation of an existing franchise or idea: Avatar using Avatar (obv) and Chappie being, pending on your individual view, a terrible version of District 9, Robocop, or Short Circuit. District 9 tends to lead.

      I don't know what you're trying to say, but I'm pretty sure it's not what I was referring to.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Kubernes wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      So you actually knew that people were praising the movie for business reasons as early as a month after its release, but you kept using these quotes & denouncing them as "jumping on the bandwagon" when they stopped anyway.
      Swing and a miss. It's just that its promoting a movie that's a terrible interpretation of an existing franchise or idea: Avatar using Avatar (obv) and Chappie being, pending on your individual view, a terrible version of District 9, Robocop, or Short Circuit. District 9 tends to lead.

      I don't know what you're trying to say, but I'm pretty sure it's not what I was referring to.

      Then use quotes like you normally do. There's a little button for it.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: Hasdi why do you have to be such a stuck up Douche about everything? ITS A FUCKING MOVIE move on with your life. Sequel remake whatever is not happening for the foreseeable future. Get over it, and find another live action remake that pisses all over the source material to glorify.

      You have no fucking proof that Bryan saying he hated the movie had any effect on Korra and it wasn't for some other reason Nick cut the budget for an episode. and even if that is the case. So what? Who gives a crap? The studio is out to make money, and supporting a series connected to such a crappy movie isn't exactly in their best interests.

      Why do you keep going out of your way to say that parts of the show are meant to be allegories for the way the show was treated by the company? Where is your fucking proof? Do you have word from Bryan and Mike saying they intended the wolfbats beating Korra in probending to be an allegory for Twilight beating Shamhammers film at the box office? No? Then Shut up. Do you have proof via word from Bryan and Mike saying they intended Earth Queen to be an allegory for Judy McGrath? No? THEN SHUT UP!

      What DO we have proof of? That the movie sucked. That everyone except you hated it. That the creators of the source material hated it, and in the case of Dev Patel, that the cast hated working on it, and not because the fans go out of their way to make people hate it, or force them to jump on any fucking 'band wagon'. But because they've seen the final with their own two eyes, and universally agree it is not a good film.

      You're the miserable one, trying to make the rest of us miserable by trying to convince us against all logic that we should like and support the movie for 'the good of the franchise'. Because apparrently supporting ashitty 200+ million film that barely made back it's budget will somehow 'save the franchise' and allow more airbender movies to be made, thus extending the life of the franchise.

      The only one who wants that is you! You Asshole! You can't make us like the movie by bullying us for not liking it, and as much as I try to meet you halfway and be nice and reasonable yopu go out of your goddamned way to be an asshole..

      It's terrible, and it's a stain on the franchise that will NEVER go away! By saying it's good, you are hurting the source material, hurting the creators. hurting the franchise, and hurting the other 99% of people in the universe who want the franchise to stay good, stay high quality!

      You've done nothing but make the lives of the people on this forum hell.

      and with that, I sign off with a big :

      I agree with you, maybe some less swear words (I am not prudish, though).

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    • Sounds about right. I'm sure there's someone out that there that actually likes the movie (guilty pleasure?) and I doubt I'd want to meet him. I'd prefer the Street Fighter movie myself. 

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    • Cool it, folks. No need for attacks.

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    • Well, being part of really bad movies surely might bring bad reputation for those who acted. So yes, he's wise in regretting being involved with the movie. And I'm talking from the technical standpoint (quality, effects, writing, dialogue, amongst other), let aside what we, fans of the show thought about the movie.

      And about the comment above about Her Royal Majesty, Queen Hou Ting (ten thousand years!), she was actually based upon Empress Dowager Cixi, the empress who ruled Qing Dynasty during its last days. Also, quite sad days for mankind, the end of the chinese empire... >_<. I really don't think she would be based on anyone else, given her personality, ways and such. 

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    • Kubernes wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Kubernes wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      So you actually knew that people were praising the movie for business reasons as early as a month after its release, but you kept using these quotes & denouncing them as "jumping on the bandwagon" when they stopped anyway.
      Swing and a miss. It's just that its promoting a movie that's a terrible interpretation of an existing franchise or idea: Avatar using Avatar (obv) and Chappie being, pending on your individual view, a terrible version of District 9, Robocop, or Short Circuit. District 9 tends to lead.

      I don't know what you're trying to say, but I'm pretty sure it's not what I was referring to.

      Then use quotes like you normally do. There's a little button for it.

      Hasdi knew I was talking to him, & even if he didn't, you still don't need to pick a fight with me, it's not like I called you stupid or illiterate for misreading what I was saying.

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    • Supergoddad wrote:
      Well, I think he finally felt the pain everybody felt when they watched the film. I hope that at least someone will try to make a better version of ATLA.

      Bryke already did this. :P No need for any other versions of it. Well, before I saw the Hobbit trilogy I wouldn't have minded Peter Jackson taking a stab at a film trilogy of ATLA but now I'm all for just leaving it alone.

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    • I think animation (and to a lesser extent, comics) is the right medium for it. The art style is just such a defining characteristic of the franchise, for instance, in line with that we have the animation facilitating an important aspect of this in the physical comedy.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      Why do you keep going out of your way to say that parts of the show are meant to be allegories for the way the show was treated by the company? Where is your fucking proof? Do you have word from Bryan and Mike saying they intended the wolfbats beating Korra in probending to be an allegory for Twilight beating Shamhammers film at the box office? No? Then Shut up. Do you have proof via word from Bryan and Mike saying they intended Earth Queen to be an allegory for Judy McGrath?

      Yeah... but plausible deniability does not work if can be proven. Stuff like this happens quite a bit, like the ongoing corporate feud between Fox and Disney with the Fantastic Four movie rights. The idea is to deliver the message without admission of intent. Speaking of Judy McGrath, recall that she was "retired" a few days after Stephen Colbert joked on Osama Bin Laden's death under her watch.

      "Suck my giant American balls, Al Qaeda. ... Osama, no 3D movies for you in hell. Which I’m pretty sure would be The Last Airbender. ... I am just so happy. And I hope I am never again this happy over someone’s death."

      You might appreciate the irony of how the Earth Queen was "beheaded" by Zaheer, once you realize that Zaheer is an allusion to Osama Bin Laden, who perverted the teachings of Guru Laghima (an allusion to Prophet Muhammad) to achieve his own violent agenda by misinterpreting Laghima's works of poetry (an allusion to the Quran, that some people regard as "fine poetry"[1]), and is the leader of a Red Lotus terrorist cell (similarly, Al-Qaeda is also a decentralized terrorist organization[2]). So you see, Mike and Bryan were never in trouble for having this "disturbing" kid-unfriendly scene, especially if the higher ups were the ones that put them up with this.

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      Judy McGrath is currently serving on the board for Amazon since last year.[3] She's probably binge-watching Book 3 knowing that Brad Grey just gaved her an "F U too" for making Tarrlok as an allusion of him, and then finally revealing Amon as Tarrlok... Well, that last part didn't really happen, because they also forced persuaded Bryke to rework the last few episodes so that Tarrlok ends up redeeming himself as the hero who finally stopped Amon. Yup, they actually pulled "It's not me, it's my evil brother who looks a lot like me (and has powers like mine)" trope. xP

      Sure, I'm probably just spewing BS, but it sure is funny it were all true. Isn't it? Icon_shifty.gif

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    • Goodbye

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    • ^

      "When you base your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality."
      Zaheer in A Breath of Fresh Air episode
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    • As I understand it, Chappie was pretty bad too. 

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    • Decapitation & suffocation are not even remotely the same thing.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote: Decapitation & suffocation are not even remotely the same thing.

      Not so much the *actions*, but the *imagery*, at least in that one cap, can be seen as "headless". It *does* make for an interesting interpretation whether or not it is founded.

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    • Sure, Zaheer didn't cut off her head, but he did cut off the air around her head. But that's besides the point. The point is to let Judy McGrath know that Hou-Ting alludes to her WITHOUT her being able to prove it. It's kinda like how Mako knew that Varrick was threatening him without really admitting a threat was made in The Guide episode.

      Sly Varrick
      "My agent said hey, you know they're doing this thing in Nickelodeon, you should go over there. ... So do I get to fly around and you know, bend cars with my face and that sort of thing? No, you're just sort of an asshole who talks too much."
      John Michael Higgins on how Varrick was pitched to him (SDCC 2014)

      Yeah. An asshole who loves and makes "movers"... I should be offended by this but I just like Varrick too much. I'll let you win this one, Bryan. http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/45.gif

      For those of you who are new here, I commented before (with RaidenRadio and others) that Korra Book 1 alludes to TLA movie production on the TLA2 page,[1] with the Anti-bending Revolution as an allusion to the racebending backlash, and the Equalists alluding to racebending.com and MANAA. Racebending.com got defensive over this, but I never said Amon alludes to any of them, just the Lieutenant, Hiroshi Sato and the protester.[2] Bryan didn't mean to suggest the equalists are the "bad guy", so he took the opportunity to defend them for being manipulated by Amon:

      "The militant sect of the Equalist revolution was fractured and scattered with the revelation of Amon's lies. However, they did make some good points and they forced a worldwide dialogue about the representation of non-benders. In the United Republic, that led to the non-elected council (of which Tenzin was a member) dissolving itself and the holding of democratic elections. Raiko, jerk though he may be, is a non-bender who was elected by the non-bending majority. I think we could have made that clearer at the start of Book 2, as I stated in some other interview somewhere. Thank you!"
      Bryan Konietzko in Avatar Wiki Q&A Chat

      Bryan is probably referring to Neo Bahamut's comment on Raiko being a "Jerkbending Master". Whoa. Neo has friends in high places. Icon_lolno.gif

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    • The militant sect is just easily mislead it seems. First Amon and then Hundun.

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    • Love Robin wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote: Decapitation & suffocation are not even remotely the same thing.

      Not so much the *actions*, but the *imagery*, at least in that one cap, can be seen as "headless". It *does* make for an interesting interpretation whether or not it is founded.

      Suffocation methods isolate the head by necessity, because that's where inhalation happens. I fail to see how such an obvious truism being forced into some kind of "reference" is "interesting."

      Bryan is probably referring to Neo Bahamut's comment on Raiko being a "Jerkbending Master". Whoa. Neo has friends in high places.

      Jerkbending Master is my favorite insult & Bryan is a clone of myself that I sent back in time to infiltrate Nickelodeon.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      Then there is the fact there were Nepotism accusations. . . that M Night only hired her because she was related to the producer.

      Anyway, go see Dev's movie Chappie. He deserves it after coming out like this.

      Chappie was a missed opportunity, honestly. It was really pretentious to me and the message seems hamfisted and became rather obvious and honestly lost it's meaning when you figure out that "Hey! If you're raised with bad people you could become a bad person!"

      Honestly, Terminator 2 did a robot learning humanity much better than Chappie and that's a 20 year old film.

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    • I just read everything that lead up to this and wow. I missed quite the shitstorm.

      Here's my two cents that no one wants to hear and wasn't called for in the slightest:

      If Hasdi loves the film, that's fine. He's entitled to his opinion and is allowed to argue back against criticism with praise. I mean, I certainly have films I love that everyone hates (Indiana Jones 4 ;_;7).

      I do not agree however with antagonizing the fanbase. That's really silly and kind of pushing it. If they don't like a film, that's fine, people can love and hate anything. What's not fine is attacking someone for their views, no matter which side it is. It is a movie. But it's a movie that no matter what opinion you have of it, ruined a franchise's life outside of the small screen. It's a movie people are rather sensitive to. In the end, we can all agree that after the film, the franchise suffered greatly.

      I cannot say what is true or not about Hasdi's theories (Honestly, there does seem to be fishy stuff going on behind the scenes). I will say they're quite fascinating really. It's kind of like watching YouTube videos explaining why 9/11 was an inside job. It's crazy and you don't really believe it but man, isn't it fascinating?

      But at the same time, I do personally think Hasdi's theories come off a bit like assumptions and shark jumping though at least they're based on something unlike other speculative works within the community.

      I believe we all need to calm down a bit. Let's go watch the Last Airbender riff :^)

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    • To be fair, the comics seem to be doing alright and the franchise did go on well after the movie.

      9/11, some "theories" are asinine or full on stupid, but some of them are pretty convincing, another topic though.

      I'd rather not watch Last Airbender, Avatar: The Last Airbender on the other hand...until Game of Thrones season 5 anyways.

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    • AvatarKatar wrote:
      RaidenRadio wrote:
      Then there is the fact there were Nepotism accusations. . . that M Night only hired her because she was related to the producer.

      Anyway, go see Dev's movie Chappie. He deserves it after coming out like this.

      Chappie was a missed opportunity, honestly. It was really pretentious to me and the message seems hamfisted and became rather obvious and honestly lost it's meaning when you figure out that "Hey! If you're raised with bad people you could become a bad person!"

      Honestly, Terminator 2 did a robot learning humanity much better than Chappie and that's a 20 year old film.

      Most of his movies have been missed opportunities and largely marketed/written on one premise: he made District 9. 

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    • That is indeed a good movie.

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    • I really like District 9 but I'm not sure if every other movie he has made should have the same marketing plan as every subsequent movie.

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    • I think it shouldn't have the same marketing plan, because honestly, the trailer of the Last Airbender film was more promising than the film itself.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      I really like District 9 but I'm not sure if every other movie he has made should have the same marketing plan as every subsequent movie.

      He dropped the ball after District 9, from what I understand. I've heard mixed things regarding Elysium, but I've heard enough about Chappie to know that I'll never watch it.

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    • AvatarKatar wrote:
      I cannot say what is true or not about Hasdi's theories (Honestly, there does seem to be fishy stuff going on behind the scenes). I will say they're quite fascinating really.

      IMNSHO, my theories are less crazy than the prevailing theory of a struggling filmmaker twisting the arm of a major studio to finance a $150 million movie with no strings attached and b-slap veteran producers into doing things his way. I may be a conspiracy nut, but I have standards.

      Varrick explains his conspiracy theory

      However, Viacom's internal feud over the control Nickelodeon Movies is a confirmed fact, not a theory.[1]

      • "Viacom has long wanted [Paramount] to tap into the brand equity and marketing muscle of [Nickelodeon]. But corporate squabbling, management upheaval and more immediate needs — like jump-starting Paramount’s primary movie pipeline — have stalled the Nickelodeon effort since Brad Grey took over as studio chairman in 2005."
      • "[Viacom CEO] has been promising Wall Street for years that the movie studio will begin aggressively mining Nickelodeon Movies (and its corollary, MTV Films). The interdepartmental bickering that stalled the effort — a previous regime at Nickelodeon strongly resisted Paramount’s involvement — appears to have evaporated."

      Apparently the "interdepartmental bickering" still lingered. Judy McGrath had Korra in development the year before the movie came out[2] and saw it as the potential replacement for Spongebob.[3] She could have easily use Mike and Bryan as her leverage to compel ATLA cast and crew (Sifu Kisu, Dante Basco, Gene Yang, Johane Matte, Prof. Siu-Leung Lee, etc., etc.) to back off berating the movie, but it's just much more fun to see Brad Grey f--- up his first Nick movie. The Colbert thing is blatantly inexcusable. You don't dick around with your sister company's movie, no many how badly it is ravaged by fans and other companies. It's not good for the stakeholders. Icon_problem.gif

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      To be fair, the comics seem to be doing alright and the franchise did go on well after the movie.

      McGrath's "retirement" set off a chain of events that eventually brought down Korra. Book 1 was scheduled for mid-2012 release[4] but after reviewing the naughty details of her "pet project", Viacom quietly placed the production on hold, which we only found out months later.[5][6] It could have been permanent but Viacom was forced to use "all the weapons in our arsenal"[7] to combat Nickelodeon'a ratings slide that happened in late 2011.[8] A top Nick exec, Brown Johnson, fought for Korra and launched Book 1 to high ratings and managed to secure production of Book 3 and 4[9] before she was fired as a scapegoat for the ratings slide.[10] The new guys in charge of programming [11] got stuck with shows they are not willing to fight as hard, which sadly included Book 2, 3 and 4.

      "Samantha Robertson, an editor at Dark Horse, e-mailed me out of the blue late last year. She’d read American Born Chinese and liked it. She also knew about my deep love for the original series because of the posts I did around the time the movie came out. Samantha has since moved on to another media company, so I’ve been working with another Dark Horse editor named Dave Marshall. All the folks at Dark Horse have been great."
      Gene Yang on how he was hired by Dark Horse to work on ATLA graphic novels.[12]

      Gene Yang's posts included this webcomic that is critical of the movie's "whitewashed" casting . That should have been enough to disqualify him from working on Viacom's IP, but McGrath was still in charge of Nickelodeon when Samantha Robertson left Dark Horse Comics in March 2011 (to work as writer/editor for Nintendo of America[13]). Perhaps Gene Yang's resentment of the movie is exactly why he was hired in the first place. Lixa.gif

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    • but after reviewing the naughty details of her "pet project"

      (Coughs out drink) Agh--*coughs*--ah-AGH. *ahem* *clicks tongue*

      G-go on.

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    • There's quite a number of people over at Dark Horse, so I'd have hear more about Samatha Robertson's position relative to others in that company. They also publish quite a number of different comics too, and in a large variety of genres too. You'd have to get some infromation from other sources on it.

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    • ^ Samatha Robertson was Dark Horse Comics' Associate Editor in charge of Avatar: The Last Airbender licensing that was acquired shortly before Gene Yang signed up in December 2010.[1] The movie's Blu-Ray (which featured Mike and Bryan commenting on the movie) came out on November 16, 2010. Clearly, Nickelodeon's agenda was not aligned with Paramount's at the time. Of all the people Dark Horse could have hired to work on ATLA graphic novels, they picked a guy who is openly opposed to ATLA movie adaptation. Eusa_doh.gif

      In fairness to Gene Yang, he didn't apply for the job. Samatha Robertson specifically reached out for him[2] I have no beef with Samantha but regardless of who put his name in the short list (assuming there was even a list), it shows malice towards Paramount and/or gross negligence on Nickelodeon's side of the management. Gene Yang did mention Mike and Bryan were involved in hiring decision:

      • AvatarTheLastAirbenderOnline.com – What events led up to you becoming the primary author for this series?[3]
      • Gene Yang – Samantha Robertson, an editor at Dark Horse Comics, first contacted me late last year. She’d read American Born Chinese and really enjoyed it. She also knew I was a fan of A:TLA because of my webcomic.  After having some conversations with her and Mike and Bryan, they decided to give me the job. Samantha’s since moved on to another media company, so I’ve been working with another Dark Horse editor named Dave Marshall. Everybody involved in the project has been great.

      And yes, Samatha Robertson was very much aware of his "short webcomic protesting the movie’s casting decisions".[4]

      His views on the movie aside, Gene Yang is a pretty decent writer. Mike and Bryan had to hire Chinese consultants to develop ATLA, but as a Chinese-American, Gene Yang is practically his own consultant. His Japanese guilt trip does get old, but Paramount finds it useful to advance the narrative that Fire Nation is Japan not China. xP Besides, it may be wrongful dismissal to get rid of him on the grounds of his personal beliefs anyway. As for Bryan, they can have him "focus more on the animation" by barring him from writing Book 2, 3 and 4. Lixa.gif

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    • Wait? Who else was actually on the list as potential writers (or any other position with that line of comics)? Sam Robertson's line (by Yang) seems to place emphasis on his previous works and his love of the show, not necessarily about his hatred of the movie. 

      "YANG: Samantha Robertson, an editor at Dark Horse, e-mailed me out of the blue late last year. She’d read American Born Chinese and liked it. She also knew about my deep love for the original series because of the posts I did around the time the movie came out. Samantha has since moved on to another media company, so I’ve been working with another Dark Horse editor named Dave Marshall. All the folks at Dark Horse have been great."

      In fact, he says he never talked to anyone in Dark Horse about the movie later in that interview. 

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Sam Robertson's line (by Yang) seems to place emphasis on his previous works and his love of the show, not necessarily about his hatred of the movie.

      Gene Yang had a number of interviews that mention Samantha Roberson. His interview on Avatar Wiki specifically mentioned that his anti-movie webcomic is part of the reason he was hired.

      • Gene Yang: ... Part of the reason I got the writing gig was a webcomic I did calling for a boycott of the first movie. An editor at Dark Horse saw that comic, she was also a fan of my other comics, so she called me and asked me if I wanted to work on the Airbender comics.

      Not many fans were bothered by this. Maybe they figure it's all part of Nick's effort to "restore honor to the franchise" after the abomination of a movie.

      Who else was actually on the list as potential writers (or any other position with that line of comics)?

      That's what I'd like to know. As part of the licensing (shortly before Gene Yang was hired), Dark Horse obtained a collection of previously-unpublished stories from Nickelodeon and publish them as ATLA – The Lost Adventures. Check out the list of writers; they already had experience writing ATLA stories and most of them full-time writers. Were any of them on the list for the top gig of writing ATLA graphics novels besides Gene Yang? Icon_neutral.gif

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    • Yeah, nobody thinks that highly about Nickelodeon. You don't have to get conspiratorial to see why most people don't care:

      • It's not unusual for someone to express disdain for the movie.
      • It is rare to encounter someone who expresses genuine appreciation of the movie, free of arm-twisting.
      • Since the movie sucked, if you DID find someone who genuinely liked it, that'd be a sign that they were probably going to write something terrible if hired.
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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      You don't have to get conspiratorial to see why most people don't care.

      Gene Yang mentioned his webcomic because he thought it was a selling point. It worked on you. After all, the movie is "universally hated". If the movie doesn't exist, neither does the movie fans, nor does the Asians cast in the movie.[1]

      Do you think they should make "The Last Airbender 2"?
       
      6606
       
      1758
       
      1764
       
      1155
       

      The poll was created at 23:24 on August 17, 2013, and so far 11283 people voted.
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    • Nobody said that the movie doesn't exist. Put down the drugs, seriously.

      Also:

      1. Nonrandom sampling.

      2. The votes of people who didn't like the movie are effectively split into 3 options. If you add them all together, it comes out to a similar amount.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      1. Nonrandom sampling.

      Hence we should rely on Netflix ratings than rottentomatoes.

      If you add them all together, it comes out to a similar amount.
      1754 + 1751 + 1152 = 4657 < 6604

      I think you can do better than that. Why don't you me ask why Paramount didn't move forward with the sequels/reboots as soon as Judy McGrath is out of the way, especially if the market is there? Lixa.gif

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    • 1. Do you have any idea what "random sampling" means? Not that 3.3 is even a "good" rating, & from personal experience, anything on TV with an approval rating less than 4 is likely to suck.

      2. So roughly 41%, assuming nobody was confused by the question, & it was not biased towards movie fanboys which I'm telling you right now is bollocks because it was posted on your page, in which you talk about the movie bloody constantly, & I'd wager it also appeared on the movie wiki.

      3. Because I don't care.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      1. Do you have any idea what "random sampling" means? Not that 3.3 is even a "good" rating, & from personal experience, anything on TV with an approval rating less than 4 is likely to suck.

      2. So roughly 41%, assuming nobody was confused by the question, & it was not biased towards movie fanboys which I'm telling you right now is bollocks because it was posted on your page, in which you talk about the movie bloody constantly, & I'd wager it also appeared on the movie wiki.

      3. Because I don't care.

      I care!

      Why not, Mr Hasdi?

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    • Are you doing this just to spite me?

      Blah blah M. Night is Jesus blah blah it's our fault for criticizing it.

      There, I saved us all a lot of time.

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    • Nah, I was legitmently curious.

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    • @Hasdi: That's going awfully far with the emphasis on the hatred/boycott side of the comic rather the interviews as a whole.  

      With the Lost Adventures writers/artists, I wouldn't know if they were considered or not. We don't really know the process she used for determining the list. If there was a list, for that matter.

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    • AvatarKatar wrote:
      Hasdi wrote:
      Why Paramount didn't move forward with the sequels/reboots as soon as Judy McGrath is out of the way, especially if the market is there?
      Why not, Mr Hasdi?

      Because Paramount already wrote-off the sequels, the year before the movie was due for release.

      "[Adam] Goodman became President of Paramount Pictures [weeks after the cast of The Last Airbender was finalized] in June 2009.[1] His predecessor, John Lesher, had ignored public concerns from about the casting. To his credit, Goodman promptly responded to Racebending.com with an email on Friday, April 2nd."
      Racebending.com Corresponds Directly with Paramount Pictures President

      Brad Grey had Adam Goodman take over the production of a movie that somebody else picked[2][3] (who had stepped down before the production even started)[4] and thrust into Paramount-Nickelodeon feud that he had nothing to do with. He didn't ask for this racebending shit but wants Paramount to be "part of the solution", so he did what any rational white man would do in his position.[5]

      https://41.media.tumblr.com/daa62f3ae4c76c6b0b9b1daaf703f98f/tumblr_nl23bc2JoA1rc86hko1_400.jpg

      "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a property that maintains a very passionate global fan base, is rich with opportunity for a tentpole movie, and is exactly the right property for us to work together with Nickelodeon"
      — Adam Goodman on acquiring TMNT franchise for $60 million on October 21, 2009

      "But Mummy, Viacom was losing money back then[6] so how did Mr. Goodman find $60 million to buy them turtles?" Well children, remember when Mr. Marshall confirmed that the movie trilogy had a budget of $250 million?[7] Two months later, Mr. Goodman took over and changed the budget to $150 million for just one movie but with some extras like post-3D conversion, more Asians, and new not-so-finished visual effects. That leaves him $60 million to buy the TMNT franchise, with $40 million to spare for other Nick movies and shit. http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd378/ketekbau/Emoticon/kedip.gif

      Adam Goldman's "solution" is to replace ATLA/Korra with TMNT as the franchise of choice for Paramount to collaborate with Nickelodeon. Why adapt a source material that feature Asian characters when you can adapt a more "established" material that allows you to cast as many white actors as you like? Did Paramount learn the "errors" of their racebending ways? Well, since the backlash was also for casting villains with PoC actors, there shouldn't be any problem in whitewashing the villains in Star Trek 2[8] and TMNT[9], right? -__- Sadly, by the time Paramount reworked the movie with a Japanese Shredder,[10] the brand awareness of Korra has been so badly diminished by their "containment strategy".

      TLA sequels were never officially cancelled as the cast and crew were still contracted to return should Paramount find the money to do it, which they could never raise anyway. The TMNT press release indicated both TMNT series and TMNT movie were planned for 2012. The only way Paramount can afford to slate TMNT movie for 2012 is by diverting the revenue of TLA movie in 2010 to produce TMNT movie in 2011 (instead of TLA sequels). When the revenue exceeded Paramount's expectations, they use the extra cash as seed money for Paramount Animation.

      Rico Gagliano: For those who don’t know, “The Last Airbender” was kind of a martial arts, fantasy movie you did right after “Slumdog Millionaire,” which actually did very well at the box office, but was pilloried by critics.
      Dev Patel: Exactly.

      Paramount should have made the cancellation official but they couldn't cite the box office performance as the reason (like Newline could with the Golden Compass[11]) without making them look like fools on Wall Street. The general public is more gullible so they use Mike and Bryan to make their case for them[12] and let the haters to perpetuate the myth of "box office failure". When they have exhausted all their contractual options for the sequels, they used the Asian lead to break the news and to apologize for the movie instead of them.

      "I just remember being totally overwhelmed by the whole experience. ... It’s hard promoting a film you didn’t enjoy and don’t fully believe in, and I felt bad. I felt sorry that I’d let these fans down, because I was a big fan of the cartoon it was based on growing up. ... Someone’s going to reboot it and do it right, for sure. But I was at the stage in my career where you don’t have any say. And on paper, it looked great."
      Dev Patel on The Last Airbender movie in the Guardian interview
      A few days after that interview, Brad Grey fired Adam Goodman[13] for reasons that also include budget overruns, thin film slate and, of course, obvious favoritism of the TMNT franchise.[14][15] >_> Marc Evans took over[16] and was tasked to double the film slate,[17] which may include this "reboot" that Dev mentioned. Although, it is possible that the development has transferred to another studio.[18]
      Kubernes wrote:
      That's going awfully far with the emphasis on the hatred/boycott side of the comic rather the interviews as a whole.

      There's not much wiggle room in those interviews: Gene Yang admitted that Samantha Robertson hired him[19] in part because of his anti-movie webcomic[20] after her conversations with Mike and Bryan[21]. Don't worry about them. If there was any wrongdoing, Viacom had McGrath take the fall instead of them and Stephen Colbert.

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I'll ask you why you keep bitching about Bryan's "attack on M. Night" if his opinion is so "irrelevant"? Or, you know, how you complain when ANYONE dislikes the movie, bitching about how they're "ruining the franchise."

      Bashing the movie is actually "good" for the franchise but only when McGrath was in charge. After she was retired, the equation changed. As long Bryan stay within the "guidelines", it doesn't hurt Paramount (that much) to bash a movie that they were not keen to make sequels of anyway. OTOH, it makes it difficult for Nickelodeon to market Korra to the movie fans... unless one of them is willing to argue it is Ok to support a show made by the same people who disappointed them. Lixa.gif

      But you are right. It IS true that M.Night is the second coming of our Lord and Savior. Let us pray... Eusa_pray.gif

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    • Jesus Christ Hasdi, I've seen conspiracy theories about Atlantis and The moon landing less convoluted than most of what you have to say.

      Also, yeah broke my vow just to say that.

      Bye now.

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    • ^ May the LORD forgive you for breaking your vow. Amen.

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    • Do we know what these "conversations" with the creators and Robertson were? Any clue might be from the conversation between the creators and the writer for the LoK game. That turned out for the best?

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    • Kubernes wrote:

      Do we know what these "conversations" with the creators and Robertson were?

      We only know as much as what Gene Yang revealed to us.

      • Gene Yang: Samantha Robertson, an editor at Dark Horse Comics, first contacted me late last year. ...  After having some conversations with her and Mike and Bryan,  they decided to give me the job."


      Any clue might be from the conversation between the creators and the writer for the LoK game. That turned out for the best?

      Do you mean Tim Hedrick? He's a good guy, having co-written my favorite The Ember Island Players episode. Icon_biggrin.gif PlatinumGames asked Mike and Bryan for recommendations on the game story and Tim's name was likely offered. Bryke also recommended Titmouse to animate the cut scenes, but IMHO, s a step down from Studio Mir's quality. :(

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    • The writing for the game frankly is not up to Tim's usual standard, I have no idea what's up with that.

      It's not even that I dislike the story, it's an intriguing idea, just not told very well.

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    • The Titmouse animations were made for budget scale aka on the cheap. You cannot expect the same quality without the same budget. 

      I think it was the first behind the scenes video mentioned that Tim Hedrick had a powwow with the creators over the story early in the production. That's it. Would have been nice to show them the later scripts or final product to get some more insight or possible revisions. That alone might have helped the story.

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