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  • I know they are used in non combat functions such as communications and manning mecha tanks/suits, but what else do non benders do in the militaries of the Avatar world during Korra's time? 

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    • Control machinery, learn martial arts that don't involve Bending, use...modernized older versions of weapons? I dunno...and even, if they work hard enough, become officers. After all, you ain't in the Fire Nation anymore; you don't have to be a Bender to rank highly.

      In fact, I'd reckon if Noatak was looking for a place of Bender/Nonbender equality, he might just find it in the army. Certainly more than the city, but that was until Raiko.

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    • There are a lot of them fighting. Sometime you can see the Gaang taking out soldier using weapons instead of bending.

      Also, Yuyan Archers.

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    • Plenty of things. Using weapons, operating machinery, piloting vehicles (such as airships), giving commands if in a leadership position. We saw Bataar Jr. doing stuff. Also, all of the men from the Southern Water Tribe who left to help in the war were non-benders.

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    • I imagine they aren't any different than what normal people in the military do. Also, advances in technology have more-or-less leveled the playing field, so to speak. 

      I know guns will (probably) never be invented, but why haven't we seen any hand-held crossbows? I know they have those giant ballistas, since we saw the in the original show - it's the same concept, just on a smaller scale. I mean, we know archery exists...

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    • Probably the traditional Firebenders thought it wouldn't give 'em an advantage (equalizing the playing field among your own troops, potentially provoking civil war in the midst of conquest, doesn't seem very wise), and the Earth Kingdom seems to emphasize short-range attacks for the most part.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Probably the traditional Firebenders thought it wouldn't give 'em an advantage (equalizing the playing field among your own troops, potentially provoking civil war in the midst of conquest, doesn't seem very wise), and the Earth Kingdom seems to emphasize short-range attacks for the most part.

      Well, at the very least, why wouldn't they be used for the modern militaries? That shouldn't be much of a problem for the more egalitarian societies. 

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    • ...because it's way too easy to take down a Bender with a well-aimed bolt? And because electrocution does more damage and looks cooler but also helps this world's inbuilt tendency to go for close combat?

      I got nothing here.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      ...because it's way too easy to take down a Bender with a well-aimed bolt? And because electrocution does more damage and looks cooler but also helps this world's inbuilt tendency to go for close combat?

      I got nothing here.

      I'm disregarding the fact that this is a kid's show; while bending is nice and all, with the modern era, I'd be surprised to see nations turning down advanced weapons that would give them an edge in a war - Kuvira's spirit cannon/nuke is a good example. 

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    • To be honest, it's not even that; perhaps they simply didn't think about it. If there was no reason to believe archery was good for anything except as a very basic artillery... okay, it's highly unlikely that they didn't invent them, there are some examples going back to the 6th Century BCE in our world. But a) it is a kid's show, and those things can make some very deep impressions on people, and b) nobody really thought about it for five seconds. The motions of the armies are all very slow, taking time to deliver massive blows; I mean, even Kuvira sacrificed maneuverability for cool-looking mecha-tanks, actual tanks, and a giant colossus with a spirit cannon on its arm. The emphasis is not on swift, fast charges, even in the modern world. The place I might think would develop them now is the Fire Nation, but (thanks a lot, Bryke) we didn't really get to see them in action this time around.

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    • I'd be willing to argue that those tanks and other vehicles gave Kuvira - and the Fire Nation that pioneered them - the ability to operate a quick, and deadly mechanized form of war; a good example being how tanks broke through the German lines during WWI, and the early successes of the German Blitzkrieg during WWII. 

      Point about the Colossus, though; I still think it was a horrible idea, and a waste of resources. 

      I don't know. I know they wouldn't expand on anything really serious since it was a kid's show, but still...

      Damn, I really wish Legend of Korra had been made for an older audience, like Fullmetal Alchemist. ;_;

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    • Or even a UC-era Gundam (not counting the most recent Unicorn). A War in the Pocket, Stardust Memory, or 8th MS Team level of detail would work well, combined with the focus on the human elements at play.

      The most obvious route for nonbenders from what we saw was leadership or the operation of equipment? We can only really count Bumi as the only direct nonbender in the military for leadership and the EK soldiers that transported Asami and Korra for operation.

      Kuvira would have had numerous nonbenders because of the percentage of benders to nonbenders, so we had the leadership position from Bataar Jr as well as the operational example with him in the mechasuit. There's even the expanded idea of nonbenders being the primary means of new technology, with Bataar Jr being a primary example along side Varrick and Asami's dad.

      With Amon, the army wouldn't have worked well because of the apparent lack of nonbenders in their ranks. The most obvious route, and the one taken, was the general populace.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Or even a UC-era Gundam (not counting the most recent Unicorn). A War in the Pocket, Stardust Memory, or 8th MS Team level of detail would work well, combined with the focus on the human elements at play.

      The most obvious route for nonbenders from what we saw was leadership or the operation of equipment? We can only really count Bumi as the only direct nonbender in the military and the EK soldiers that transported Asami and Korra.

      With Amon, the army wouldn't have worked well because of the apparent lack of nonbenders in their ranks. The most obvious route, and the one taken, was the general populace.

      ... Another Gundam fan? Thank God.

      I imagine non-benders largely filled support roles, or less dangerous combat situations. Still think that if they had something - a crossbow, if nothing else - they would be able to fight just as well as benders. 

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    • Isn't the FN the nation with the less benders? Do you think this influenced the technological advacement they had, or was it only due to the war? They seemed to have a lot of non benders as foot soldiers.

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    • According to statistics, they actually had the most Benders of any population. The Air Nomads were next, but even though their entire population could bend, they had fewer people. The the Water Tribes, and then the Earth Kingdom.

      According to the old show, a lot of it was attitude. The FN had a constant driving force from their element, causing them to push more and more into advancement.

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    • Communications comes to mind.

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    • I think the AN were the one with most benders(all of them were benders) and the FN was the one with least benders for spiritual reasons.

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    • Actually, because HYW Firebending was based around anger, not spirituality per se, they would probably have had more.

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    • And that's why they have less benders. I think it was confirmed by the authors.

      And the Air Nation is the one with most benders because of spirituality, bending is pretty much spiritual. This is confirmed.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      And that's why they have less benders. I think it was confirmed by the authors.

      And the Air Nation is the one with most benders because of spirituality, bending is pretty much spiritual. This is confirmed.

      I've never heard anything about this argument, but by this reasoning, bending as a whole was probably on the decline until Korra reopened the spirit portals. Can't exactly deny any form of spirituality when those vines were tearing up the city...

      Also operating on that assumption, considering how Zuko... "re-learned" firebending from the Sun Warriors, I imagine the number of firebenders in the Fire Nation would have increased for a time, before possibly leveling out with the other benders of the world. 

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    • The AN were all benders because of spirituality. So i assume that spirituality = number of benders.

      Now i don't know if the FN is the one with least benders or the EK. They are the two less spiritual nations in the Avatarverse.

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    • Bending is pretty much spiritual, but at the same time, the FN was known to have used a debased form under the Fire Lords from Sozin to Ozai. Jeong Jeong himself, a master Firebender, couldn't see any good in it at all, because all they knew was Firebending tainted by anger and savagery. That's hardly spiritual, it's your own pent-up emotions given form and destructive capability. At the same time, the fact that they could non-spiritually Bend (but to a lesser degree than, say, a street fighter, because they still had some purpose behind it) would allow their numbers to increase exponentially. Probably, however, the numbers died down a bit after the War (think of Baby Boom generations, folks, but with Firebenders).

      That does not, however, condone the styles that LoK has been using, with sloppy form, lack of purpose, and the loss of the movement so critical in the arts. And it certainly doesn't excuse the lack of personalities that could come with the Bending.

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    • I'm talking about the spirituality of the nation, not the people itself. If it were like that only highly spiritual people would be able to bend, and that's not the case. I'm saying the spirituality of the whole nation affects the number of benders born.

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    • It could be useful to have more bodies for your military.

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    • They still use swords and bows in legend of korra as firing arms have not been invented yet. Cannons may be cannon though, see what I did their.

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    • You did their what?

      See what i did there? :D

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      You did their what?

      See what i did there? :D

      Haha, wait no I don't get it.

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    • Uh... it's like, the right way to say it is "see what i did there" because their is to talk about a thing that belongs to more than one person.

      Their house, their car, etc.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      Uh... it's like, the right way to say it is "see what i did there" because their is to talk about a thing that belongs to more than one person.

      Their house, their car, etc.

      Oh I get it. There's are not my speciallity. If I was Grammar themed supper hero they would be my weekness, that, or, commas, I never know, quite, where, to put them,.

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    • chi blocking, electric hand thingambobs, dua swords, those weapons Mai used, etc

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    • SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      chi blocking, electric hand thingambobs, dua swords, those weapons Mai used, etc

      Those take lots of training.

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote:
      SaitamaBro wrote:
      Uh... it's like, the right way to say it is "see what i did there" because their is to talk about a thing that belongs to more than one person.

      Their house, their car, etc.

      Oh I get it. There's are not my speciallity. If I was Grammar themed supper hero they would be my weekness, that, or, commas, I never know, quite, where, to put them,.

      Whenever i feel like using them, i just put them in the middle of a sentence.

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    • Exactly, they are skills that might take as much time as learning to bend does! Which, to me, makes them a equally helpful war tool. (:

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    • Sometimes i fell inclined towards the belief that all non-benders are weak, but then there's Ty Lee, Mai, Suki, etc. So i guess all the adult non-benders are weak. But since we have June, it's all adult males non-benders.

      The FN soldiers didn't seem to have any kind of training, even the benders were weak. That must be why they never won in the 99 years of war.

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    • SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      Exactly, they are skills that might take as much time as learning to bend does! Which, to me, makes them a equally helpful war tool. (:

      I feel like some would just be foot soilders.

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote:
      SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      Exactly, they are skills that might take as much time as learning to bend does! Which, to me, makes them a equally helpful war tool. (:
      I feel like some would just be foot soilders.

      Perhaps. That would be a good and quite reasonable idea.*nods*

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    • That, or they attended the melee and hand-to-hand equivalent of the Imperial Marksmanship Academy...

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    • I'm sure after the antibending revolution, chi blocking citizens would have become part of the infantry 

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    • I always figured they would come up with some type of rapid fire cross-bow or other infantry equipment dealing with electricity like that of the Equalists. Yet after the first story arc theres a sudden lack of development on non-bender technologies and more focus on benders again. Sure we saw advancements on the mechs but thats about it and opted to never expand upon the airships or biplanes. 

      Considering the use of non-benders in combat functions in the more modern militaries of LOK, its easy to look back at how non bender combatants fought during the Hundred year war. Jet and his gang, the yuyan archers, kyoshi warriors, Ty lee, and even zuko in his other personas are good examples of this. 

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    • I find it hard to believe that there are more benders in the world than non-benders. Maybe I'm just used to the idea of a gifted minority (ex: Force-senstives in Star Wars), I don't know. I can't help but feel like the majority of the people fighting in the war - both wars - were probably non-benders. We largely see bending combat because of the... less graphic nature (I thought I read somewhere that it was designed that way to avoid using too many lethal weapons in the show, or something), as well as the fact that it's just awesome to watch. 

      That being said, the lack of development in airplanes was a real disappointment. I mean, we saw how effective those fighters were against the URN's Navy, so what if Varrick had given an aircraft carrier and some fighters to the Southern Water Tribe during the Civil War? The NWT would have gotten their asses kicked. 

      Of course, that in of itself may have been the reason - air superiority really is a game-breaker. 

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    • CommanderZeta wrote: I find it hard to believe that there are more benders in the world than non-benders. Maybe I'm just used to the idea of a gifted minority (ex: Force-senstives in Star Wars), I don't know. I can't help but feel like the majority of the people fighting in the war - both wars - were probably non-benders. We largely see bending combat because of the... less graphic nature (I thought I read somewhere that it was designed that way to avoid using too many lethal weapons in the show, or something), as well as the fact that it's just awesome to watch. 

      That being said, the lack of development in airplanes was a real disappointment. I mean, we saw how effective those fighters were against the URN's Navy, so what if Varrick had given an aircraft carrier and some fighters to the Southern Water Tribe during the Civil War? The NWT would have gotten their asses kicked. 

      Of course, that in of itself may have been the reason - air superiority really is a game-breaker. 

      Yes, I was thinking the same thing about airplanes. They should have developed them and integrated them into militaries. I can imagine that when the Colossus appeared near Republic City, a squadron of planes flies out and begins bombing it. And what they should have done is had a part of it (like an engine or something) where if you hit it the entire thing would be destroyed, like the Death Star. And Team Avatar would be the ones piloting the planes, along with some other pilots. That's what they should have done.

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    • Well, they did try to get air superiority over it, but I can't help but feel like those insect-suits were a little too convoIuted, when they could have just designed fighters to soar overhead and bomb it. I know the surface of the Colossus was designed to be bending-proof, but was it designed to withstand a concentrated bombardment? I imagine it would have been, otherwise that would have made it quite the "paper tiger", so to speak. They'd need dive-bombers to take it out, since machine guns and cannons don't exist, and strategic bombers would end up leveling the city too. 

      At the very least, they would have been a good distraction to take it out. I personally would have liked to have seen the battleships firing on the Colossus, before they were taken out. Shame they never put real cannons in the show. 

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    • Aw, come on, why see airplanes that clearly only held an advantage against a massive fleet of vehicles containing Benders when you can use two tiny hummingbirds to fight off a humongous mecha-suit controlled by one Bender? Besides, it would detract from the surrealist aspect they were going for with the spirits...who never really got any major role again either? Seriously, LoK needs some development besides one controversial scene right at the end.

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    • ... Because several airplanes swarming above the Colossus, dropping bombs on its head would have been very effective? Or, they could have had several multi-engined bombers carpet-bombing the shit out of her army? At the very least some fighters would have been a great distraction for the hummingbird-mechs. Don't particularly care about the spirits (they chose to sit back and do nothing, so whatever); you've got a point that they dropped the ball, but I just don't see why they would neglect an air force - it's absolutely ridiculous. Air power is arguably one of the most dominant factors in fighting a war. 

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    • For guns they could use long pipes on the planes, and have firebenders shoot flames into the pipes, which would straighten out the flame and send it forward as a concentrated beam. They could have dogfights that way.

      And when they attack the Colossus in planes they could have used call signs like "Red Leader" and "Red Five". It would have been kind of like in The Empire Strikes Back when Luke and the other pilots try to take down the AT-ATs.

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    • Alexander of Volzhsky wrote:
      For guns they could use long pipes on the planes, and have firebenders shoot flames into the pipes, which would straighten out the flame and send it forward as a concentrated beam. They could have dogfights that way.

      And when they attack the Colossus in planes they could have used call signs like "Red Leader" and "Red Five". It would have been kind of like in The Empire Strikes Back when Luke and the other pilots try to take down the AT-ATs.

      I like the idea of the fire cannons, honestly. But I'd rather stay away from too many Star Wars references. I'd prefer they go all Tora! Tora! Tora! on the Colossus, myself. 

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    • Colossus Trench Run. Use the spirits Korra, use the spirits!

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    • Here's another idea: why not use some of those torpedoes the Equalists had? Wan Shi Tong's feathered elbows, if you've got the means use it! Why was Raiko so insistent on Spirit Cannons when his nation was the first to perfect powered (non-Bending) flight, and actually proved that it had greater combat abilities than even airships? Honestly!

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    • I had always thought when Team Avatar 2.0 was discussing kuvira's plan on getting the spirit cannon to Republic City with out using the rail road, I was hoping for a large airship with the gun attached on its underbelly or top. Speaking of Airships, they could have went with an airship aircraft carrier that launched bi planes. Another thing I always wondered about there was never anymore mention of another technology that was used by the FN. The battlements during the day of black sun housed large ballista that shot explosive bolts, and were quite effective against the earthbender tanks. Whenever i see the Republic battleships I always wondered if these ballista or some smaller rapid fire version of them would have been more effective and feasable as armaments on the ships than the bending powered weaponry. The ships were co produced by the Fire nation who had access to such tchnology so its a wonder why this never appeared on the ships.

      As for the non benders themselves, its understandable that training and outfitting of combat ready nonbending troops would be impractical in a reltive time of peace after the hundred year war, due to lack of nescessity and the ease of just using benders for combat roles. However, with the Equalist uprising showing the capacity of non benders in direct confrontations, and thier ability to take out a battlefleet easily, one would imagine the UR would increase its military spending and arm more non benders or conscript former equalists forcibly in the mists of the water tribe civil war and after Kuvira's betrayal. 

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    • Count Kibbles N Bits wrote:
      I had always thought when Team Avatar 2.0 was discussing kuvira's plan on getting the spirit cannon to Republic City with out using the rail road, I was hoping for a large airship with the gun attached on its underbelly or top. Speaking of Airships, they could have went with an airship aircraft carrier that launched bi planes. Another thing I always wondered about there was never anymore mention of another technology that was used by the FN. The battlements during the day of black sun housed large ballista that shot explosive bolts, and were quite effective against the earthbender tanks. Whenever i see the Republic battleships I always wondered if these ballista or some smaller rapid fire version of them would have been more effective and feasable as armaments on the ships than the bending powered weaponry. The ships were co produced by the Fire nation who had access to such tchnology so its a wonder why this never appeared on the ships.

      As for the non benders themselves, its understandable that training and outfitting of combat ready nonbending troops would be impractical in a reltive time of peace after the hundred year war, due to lack of nescessity and the ease of just using benders for combat roles. However, with the Equalist uprising showing the capacity of non benders in direct confrontations, and thier ability to take out a battlefleet easily, one would imagine the UR would increase its military spending and arm more non benders or conscript former equalists forcibly in the mists of the water tribe civil war and after Kuvira's betrayal. 

      Exactly! Why didn't they have cannons or ballistas to fire explosive bolts or something? I mean, they had bombs (or at the very least torpedoes, which operate on a similar principle) - we clearly saw them when they attacked the UR's Navy. Would it be that farfetched to translate that over into cannons that fired explosive shells, like on the battleships? Imagine seeing a dozen or so dreadnoughts hammering away at the Colossus, before being annihilated. That would have been a sight to see. 

      I love the idea of a giant airship that serves as a flying aircraft carrier - absolutely love it. Sounds like something the Fire Nation would have, honestly. 

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      I'm sure after the antibending revolution, chi blocking citizens would have become part of the infantry 

      I think swordsmen would.

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote:
      Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      I'm sure after the antibending revolution, chi blocking citizens would have become part of the infantry 
      I think swordsmen would.

      Swordsmen yes, but thier training would become a factor in the ability for the UR to field them in large numbers, becuase they would need equipment to train such soldiers, weaponry, and professional swordesmen to train the troops. Realistically it would take a large amount of time to train a man to wield a sword effectively in combat, there are simplier techniques though that are much easier to learn. Spearmen would probably be the easiest option, maybe even make the spears electrified for extra use as stun weaponry/short ranged attacks on metal armor wearing targets. 

      Another thing, during the first season of LOK its implied that Equalist Airships were able to shoot down opposing Police Airships, if this is true then it implies that nonbender ship to ship (air to air) weaponry had already been developed and deployed on airships at least for the equalists. The idea that some sort of cannon (spirit cannon) could be mounted on a large airship is not entirely impossible. The problem being you need a big enough ship that can handle the wieght of large guns and the recoil/heat thats comes from them being fired safely. Heat coming into affect do to the various types of gases probably used the airships. 

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    • I believe that even benders should learn chi blocking. That aside, the training for both benders and non-benders should be way more intensive. Really, anyone that doesn't have a name is a shitty bender/fighter.

      I can hardly see spers working in the avatar world, while swords are better at fighting benders. They need to be made of platinum(for obvious reasons), what i don't know is if platinum is a good metal for sword manufacturing. If i was the leader of a nation in the Avatar world i would make every school have a combat class so every citizen would be a potential soldier in a war.

      I think it would be better in a tank, but that take the advantage of being able to shoot more places for being in higher heights. If they could make Bill, they could probably make a plane capable of carrying(and shooting) the weapon.

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    • It doesn't take as much training with spears as it does with swords; if you think about it, "spears" were - in a sense - being used in World War I (and to a lesser extent, WWII), since a rifle with a fixed bayonet was the progression from pikemen and halberdiers, when the tercio formation (pikemen in a square surrounding musketmen in the center) became outdated by volleys by line infantry. I know it's not exactly the same, but that is how it evolved.

      Swordsmanship is an intensive study, and more of an artform than the use of a pike or a spear. That's why the nobility and knights (both mounted and dismounted) tended to use swords in close combat; your standard peasant was given a spear/pike. Even Japan, which is famed for its use of samurai wielding the legendary katana, largely relied on levies of ashigaru (peasants) armed with spears, bows/arrows, and eventually muskets (following the introduction of the matchlock to Japan by the Europeans). 

      So no, I doubt they'd train a whole army of men to use swords. Maybe a few special brigades to act as shocktroops, but that'd be it. Especially not when you have troops that can bend; it becomes a waste of resources. 

      Either way, spears are outdated weapons. An army trained entirely to use swords is a hefty task - and with the advent of mechanized cavalry, the use of the spear as a counter is also pointless (after all, what good is a spear wall when you have a tank rushing at you?), so there's that.

      Maybe I'm just too used to modern/semi-modern warfare to be objective, lol. 

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    • Even the rifles were as big as a sword. A sword is more efficient in a combat, and an amateur with a sword would probably win against an amateur with a spear, the spear is too hard to change the path of an attack(because of its size) and it doesn't take a lot of effort to deflect it with a sword. Not mentioning that they were shown to be better to deal with other warriors than spears in Avatar. It's better for them to train archers and swordsmen untill they have guns.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      Even the rifles were as big as a sword. A sword is more efficient in a combat, and an amateur with a sword would probably win against an amateur with a spear, the spear is too hard to change the path of an attack(because of its size) and it doesn't take a lot of effort to deflect it with a sword. Not mentioning that they were shown to be better to deal with other warriors than spears in Avatar. It's better for them to train archers and swordsmen untill they have guns.

      Actually, the spearman is most likely to win against a swordsman, you can look at many videos  and forums on why this is.

      For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2YgGY_OBx8

      Against armored cavalry the spear or sword would hardly be sufficient, but many diffrent characters throughout TLA showed off various forms of hand held explosives that could work against armored units, such as the mecha tanks and suits. Another thing is the electric weaponry did have an affect on the mecha tanks when used against them, but that would be limited to the strength of the electric current the weapon is able to generate and put out. One way to deal with mecha tanks and suits is to limit thier mobility, for the older models attack the treads, for the suits aim for the legs or use defensive traps to slow them down. Such as a large mud pit in front of your position. The mud could bog down the mecha suits enough to where they become immobile. 

      I would think that the United Republic Military would forcibly conscript chi blockers who were apart of the equalists for use in the military and for trianing purposes. Bumie did say the military kidnapped him with a potatoe sack and forced him into the military, but with Bumie this could be a tall tale. The military could offer freedom and military service in exchange for prison time to captured equalists. 

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    • Bumi was joking, I'm sure.

      It all depends on experience, skill, and luck. The best spearman can beat the best swordsman, but it isn't a guarantee. However, in direct hand-to-hand combat, a soldier armed and trained with a sword generally has an advantage - especially when those spears are replaced with heavier and more cumbersome pikes and halberds. 

      That's the problem - there are tanks, airplanes, battleships, mechanized suits, ariships, etc - however, there are no weapons designed specifically to take them out. A portable ballista that can shoot armor-piercing/explosive bolts at tanks and mecha suits would be practical, as would an attempt to miniaturize the fire-cannon (that the battleships had) for air-to-air combat between fighters. 

      Hell, imagine if they could mount those spirit cannons on battleships; that would be badass. 

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    • Aside from maybe curiosity or for non lethal applications (like a police force), I don't really see why a bender would care all that much about conventional chi blocking. If a firebender, for instance, could hit someone as many times as we see chi blockers to get the effect, the firebender could have already exploded the target.

      Also, I second the notion that swords are more prone to lose to spears. Polearms are exceptional weapons both useful in infantry with little training or in the hands of a master, the weapon class is very potent and versatile. How either would actually fair against benders would seem kind of like these weapons dealing with firearms.

      I agree that it really comes down to circumstances, relative skill between the opponents and where the fight is taking place (are we inside a typical house? Are we in the middle of an open field?) are very important factors, but if comparably skilled and in the open, spearperson has a definite advantage, the range and speed differences are significant (largely stemming from the length of the weapon). Even with heavier polearms, the weight distribution is very manageable for an experienced spearperson that is comfortable with the weapon, particularly given the way polearms are gripped vs swords.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Aside from maybe curiosity or for non lethal applications (like a police force), I don't really see why a bender would care all that much about conventional chi blocking. If a firebender, for instance, could hit someone as many times as we see chi blockers to get the effect, the firebender could have already exploded the target.

      I agree with the police force idea. I always wondered what the normal non bender police did if they encountered a group of bender criminals. Did they just call it in and wait for the metal bending police to arrive? 

      Well benders could learn how to effectively counter chi blocking used against them if they were taught about it or use it themselves when needed. On a similar note it seems as though most benders have a problem with close quarters combat; it always seems most bending fights happen anywhere from a fewhundred to a few feet away. There are notable exceptions to this though one being Ang and Zuko's duel on top of a well. Preferably benders seem to want to stay a much more than arms distance away from eachother depending on element. 

      Hakota's warriors, the Pirate captain, Ty lee, Sokka, Zuko, the equalists are good examples of how close quarters combat is affective at taking on benders. That is if you can close in on one. If you can swords, daggers, and chi blocking all come into play. 

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    • Nonbenders have close range, Benders have mid-range, and machines have long-range effects. It's a relatively neat hierarchy that the gun would only destroy completely.

      By the way, how is it that Wan thought Bending would be an easy way to stop what appear to be nonbenders fighting?

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    • Meh; I still like guns. Hell, I'd be fine with it if the non-benders had crossbows. But whatever.

      ... Wait, what? 

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    • Count Kibbles N Bits wrote:

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      Aside from maybe curiosity or for non lethal applications (like a police force), I don't really see why a bender would care all that much about conventional chi blocking. If a firebender, for instance, could hit someone as many times as we see chi blockers to get the effect, the firebender could have already exploded the target.

      I agree with the police force idea. I always wondered what the normal non bender police did if they encountered a group of bender criminals. Did they just call it in and wait for the metal bending police to arrive? 

      Well benders could learn how to effectively counter chi blocking used against them if they were taught about it or use it themselves when needed. On a similar note it seems as though most benders have a problem with close quarters combat; it always seems most bending fights happen anywhere from a fewhundred to a few feet away. There are notable exceptions to this though one being Ang and Zuko's duel on top of a well. Preferably benders seem to want to stay a much more than arms distance away from eachother depending on element. 

      Part of the problem with adding adding nonbenders or non-metal benders to the police force is that it "dilutes" the original image of the police from the design perspective of the series. It's like giving a firebender the color green as a primary color scheme or an non-metal bending earthbender blue as their primary color. Yeah, it's sort of a old hang up from the original series.

      The other problem is what is brought up: benders versus non-benders and the problem of the creation of scenes involving both of them. We did get a number of them in book 1 but there were all non-benders with advantages to offset the benders because of the differences in combat.

      You'd almost have to give more advantages to non-benders akin to the Equalists to even the playing field. The most likely way is simply through equipment like the lightning gauntlets or similar things. Sure, you could always design a special ops like non-bender force that has enough potential to where they don't need so much assistance too.

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    • I really think there might be a problem if the force was limited to Metalbenders. Predominantly Metalbenders, maybe, but not entirely. I'd say most city Benders are hampered by their environment a bit, and maybe close-range weapons would be used by nonbenders (like that truncheon the cop in Avatar Park had).

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    • Non-benders have great impacts in military forces just as much as benders do.

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    • Bring coffee, become ammo when the caonon's run out.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      I really think there might be a problem if the force was limited to Metalbenders. Predominantly Metalbenders, maybe, but not entirely. I'd say most city Benders are hampered by their environment a bit, and maybe close-range weapons would be used by nonbenders (like that truncheon the cop in Avatar Park had).

      Yeah but that truncheon cop was also more of a comic relief than anything serious or effective. Aside from him and maybe a few others, the majority just seems to be based on that one bending type.

      Investigator-wise we might have the two corrupt cops in book 2 so maybe outside of the main police force there might be the non-benders and other non-metal benders. It would account for some of the others like Mako and soon to be Bolin.

      If we go by the way non-benders are treated in books 2-4 of LoK, they might be useable as mechanics, engineers, or other jobs that don't require bending. A big plus if there's glasses involved.

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