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  • Okay, I sincerely hope this thread doesn't turn into a flame war but here's mine.

    1. I dislike Sokka and Toph. I don't hate them but sometimes they were so obnoxious,  annoying, and acted like jerks. Toph was like this especially but everyone loves her a lot, like more than any Avatar character ever. It's scary.

    2. I also dislike Mako. He may have just been confused during his horrid love life but he was still a jerk at times to Korra and Bolin. And when he wasn't being a jerk, his nice moments were well, boring. I put him in this category because his fans are pretty numerous, even when hate for him was fresh.

    3. Wan. I can't honestly say I hate or even dislike him really, but I don't understand why his character is such a universally beloved. He didn't do anything {at least IMO} that makes him that much more impressive than Aang or Korra. I always found his story had some holes in it as well. Is it just his "First Avatar" status? 

    4. I really like Katara. I put her down here because a shocking amount of people find her annoying and bash her a lot. I get that she had her not so great moments {her jab at Toph's blindness during "the chase" stands out} and she could be moody but she was still a really cool character.

    5. Aang: same as Katara

    6. Wan Shi Tong: I sympathize with this guy so much. Nobody steals my books! I'm not saying he should kill but Sokka didn't exactly prove him wrong.

    7. Korra: Man, did people ever react negatively to an awesome character sometimes like they did her? Poor girl rocked and she got way too muck flak, just like Katara. 

    That's all I got. No flames please.

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    • 1. Kai. And the fact that he was a child was on the street it does not justify. My good friend, too, in childhood, was on the street but he did not become a thief. He was able to create for themselves an honest life. Become a thief is a Kai's personal choice. Next Kai robbed family who agreed to shelter his. It's just disgusting. He stayed with the Air Nomads only because he was allowed to play the role of a superhero. And of course because of Jinora. I really did not like this character.

      2. Kuvira. She just rallied the country, is it fascism? She did not declare war Fire Nation or Water Tribe. And who were the protagonists of the Earth Kingdom? Toph's family, who reacted with indifference to the whole situation in the country, sitting under their domes? Pathetic clown who a relative of the Queen and has no idea what it means to manage a fragmented country? Avatar spit on everything and go "to find myself." Republicans were preparing laws which should live the population of the Earth Kingdom, when they put his protege, while doing nothing to stabilize the country. Well, the villain of course Kuvira, because she gave the people the technology of metal and does not give power to this kid, bravo, great story, 10/10, applause!

      3. Katara. I do not understand why she can someone not like it. She is kind, gentle, brave and cheerful girl. Yes, she has a feelings she can afford to show them but she's a girl. It is normal that the female character is feminine. She is 100% girl and that's fine. 

      4. Mako. The useful of this character for the story ended as early as the Book One. In the Book Two, he could easily be replaced by Iroh. In the Book Three and Book Four, he was simply not needed. Besides his attempts to seduce the two girls at the same time looked ugly. 

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    • Well, I'd like to voice my personal opinion as well.


      Characters I like, but are hated from seemingly everyone else:

      1. Mako: Honestly, I didn't like him at the beginning because of his character and because of all the love triangles, but eventually, I came to the conclusion that not everything is his fault like everyone (including me) tends to say. It was obvious that he was confused and regretted his own action. Heck, he only has a hard time. I think we should give him a chance. I am sure, he wouldn't be the person who he is now if his parents didn't die. His past with the hard and wrong guys formed him and he's just trying to set everything right. I mean, the phrase from Viper "You bustle or you get bustled" is similar to "You eat or you get eaten". And I think that he is a great contrast to his brother; although complete opposites, they act brotherly together.

      2. Korra: Of course the Avatar. When the series started, everyone seemed not very fond of her. The fans, some producers of Avatar and Nickelodeon. And why? Because "ugh, it's a girl!", "it is unusual for such a series to have a heroine instead of a male protagonist", "look! She must be gay or why is she behaving like a guy and has so many muscles?", "Nah, don't like her. Aang was better and didn't get unconscious all the time.", "Korra is the worst Avatar ever! Always cries and can't beat someone alone but only with the help of her friends." or "Nooo, what’s THIS?! I am very disappointed. I hate her and the new "Team Avatar". The old gaang was better! Where's Toph? With her, we don't need a new Team Avatar and instead, the villain is beaten within ten seconds!"

      This really annoys me every time I read something like this. Even now, people don't understand and are complaining. Please, just because TLOK is a sequel of TLA it doesn't mean it is the same series! Stop with comparing those two because it will lead you to nothing. What I'd really like to know would be why exactly you all think/thought this way? Did you dislike her character, her look or was it an excuse because you miss the old gaang and let out your anger to this series and its characters? Now that the series has found its end, some should have understood why everything was treated the way it was. Throughout the seasons, one could see Korra struggle - and just not her. And finally, she became the Avatar everyone wanted to see. You just have to be more patient.

      3. Bolin: Well, to me it seems like the most just view him as "comic relief." Again, I stumbled about lots of comparisons between him and Sokka. Same thing like above: stop with comparing two different things and try to understand what you see. Recently, I posted a comment about Bolin’s development many think of as "non-existent". I don't know if you say so because you hate the character and don't care about him or because you don't see more than a comic relief, but he has a development and important role. Just view again the series.

      4. Meelo&Ikki: Surprise. Bet no one has seen this coming. Truth to be told, I don't read much opinions of these two. Something I dislike. The two deserve more attention since they’re also important. Idk if Jinora has put them into her shadow since Book 2 or if people really hate them. Ofc there are some who like them, but I got to read more hate than liking. I don't know; the opinions really seem to change every time or season. (Season 1:"Wow, haha. Meelo the fartbender, go!"/Season 4:"Man, this kid should stop with this nonsense. It isn't funny yet only disgusting.", "Ha! He is so a leader. Great, let us attack a giant robot with balloons! He is the worst "leader" of all time." Season 1&2:"This girl has to have some illness or she's just unnormal. She should stop talking. Seriously, someone should tape her mouth! I can't stand her anymore. She is so annoying and only wants to be important."/Season 3&4:"Hey, wait. Where's Ikki? What did they to her? Meelo and Jinora steal her show!", "Poor girl. They should respect more.")

      The two have different personalities and only because everyone of their family is "more special" than them doesn't mean they’re useless puppets. They also got their development and one could see it.


      Characters everyone favors, but not me:


      Well, I'm sure I'd get a lot of hate now, but just ignore everything I wrote.

      1. Toph&Zuko: First of all, sorry. Toph and Zuko are two of the most beloved characters ever. But I am not the kind of person who likes the tough and aggressive guys.

      2. Azula: Indeed, a great and dangerous villain. She has her own charme, but as I said, I don't like characters like her and actually hold to the 'good guys'. Usually, I hate villains. It's standard for me.

      3. Amon/Noatak: As I said, I don't like villains. Honestly, I don't know why people prefer this villain so much. While I can look more into him and his arc, I think there's maybe nothing more.

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    • People like wan so much because hes the happy medium between Aang and Korra,  Plus he did everything on his own.

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    • I dont really hate anyone in this story, ALL ha their good and bad points, this is what makes character "3D", or do you know a human (except for prophets/legends /etc) that was not flawed? lets take gandhi, i dont know but im pretty sure he also had stuff others wouldnt like ^_^

      This IS why i like the chars in all avatar-series's so much, instead of going this overly used and boring "he belongs to this, she belong to that"-archetype BS we get chars who simply act on their own, have flaws, are scared, make mistakes, feel sorry, and again, MAKE MISTAKES!!

      If i should name MY favorite char i think i would chose Bolin!, he was a comedy-char but he had lots of cool moments, and his lavabending isnt OP but still really powerful ^_^ i also liked sokka, he was the brain of the missions, good stuff...

      The char i dislike would be korras girlfriend (forgot her name) and #2 would be Mako, simply because of the lack of screentime, i still like their personalitys etc but i cant like them more because of the lacking screentime and not enough "involvement" :D

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    • Only central character I don't actively like is Mako (my view of him has moved from dislike to indifference), but all of the characters really felt kind of inchoate compared to the characters in A:TLA.  And it seems like Bolin kind of went downhill as a character after Book 1 (well, okay, I'll be gentler about it than that; he started going downhill in The Sting).

      Kai seemed like he was initially just there to create a lead-in to what the Earth Queen was pulling and give Jinora a 'shiptease.  As for the role he played in later events, it seems like much of it would have been better assigned to Jinora or (if it had to be one of the n00bs) Opal.

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    • I love all these comments!

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    • Oh, I forget to say I don't like Opal that much either. In book 3, she was boring and clearly just there to give Bolin a final love intterest. Book 4, she was a little too bitchy towards Bolin IMO and still not  that great a character. 

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    • For me it's Kyoshi. She's probably the worst avatar we have seen, i don't understand why people like her so much.

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    • Although I don't hate her, I kinda dislike Katara a bit.

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    • Kuvira:  Everyone says that she's there least favorite of the LoK villains because she just doesn't seem to have much reason for doing what she does.  I was in the same boat until the finale, and then it became obvious from the way she was dealt with that that was the point.  The fact that she doesn't really fit as a villain makes it possible for her to be talked down, and the fact that Korra recognizes that as well and acts on it allows for a much more mature resolution to the conflict.

      Iroh II:  Lots of people seem to like him because he's a badass and took down the entire Equalist air force by himself.  But to me, he was a band-aid to slap on a plot hole--basically the writers needed Mako to be in two places at once, so they brought in a new character with the exact same skill set (and even looks similar) and had him deal with one threat while Mako dealt with the other.

      Meelo:  Lots of people think he's the one of the funniest characters on the show.  Yes, in the first season he had some pretty great moments, but the fartbending was just too ridiculous for me.  After that he pretty much became a gateway for fart jokes and he got pretty annoying by the end.

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    • Underrated Characters

      Hue from the swamp seriously he's just awesome plus he gives Aang great advice
      

      Tonraq- doesn't get much attention but he is just a great father The scene where he and korra split up at laghimas peak always gets me choked up.

      Hakoda same as Tonraq

      Characters I dislike that people like

      Mai she is just predictably boring, I kind of wish they paired Tylee and Zuko instead would be a more interesting couple

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    • I don't really like Korra, I have listed a number of reasons, but it mostly comes down to her personality, she is way too forceful when she is ignorant and later she is too much of an apologist that still defaults to aggression or self pity. She doesn't appreciate or understand the power she has and doesn't listen to good advice until way late or abides by terrible advice. She doesn't seem to think for herself and decisions she makes she was handheld to and/or puts little thought into. I don't like Korra, and I have reasons, so do others, and it is kind of annoying to have them strawmanned and dismissed.

      Kuvira. I wouldn't say I really like her, but I do not hate her like seems to be popular. She may have had weak development and done some crappy things, but she made alot of sense, particularly prior to her invasion of Republic City (which even then is debatable in legitimacy).

      I feel like Tenzin gets some hate, but I like him. He tries his best, he has his faults, made more difficult by the weight on his shoulders as representative to a nearly extinct race and culture, but he devotes himself heart and soul to the cause and is generally very thoughtful even though his personal life and relationships may suffer.

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    • Don't get me wrong, I love the Gaang. But the older Gaang just seems to have, well, lost it. Poor Sokka's dead, Zuko and Katara are severely underpowered, Aang was apparently a bit neglectful of his two older kids, and Toph? What the flameo did they do to Toph Beifong, that Earthbender who managed to learn so much about family and balance from her time as the teacher of the Avatar? She couldn't even be bothered to bring up who their dads were, for crying out loud! Seriously, although she actually still does the most of any remaining folk, Toph Beifong's character was just trashed.

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    • I wouldn't say Zuko was under powered we only saw him fight once and he did lose to ghazan but we must remember the fight took place at the North Pole at night not favorable conditions for a firebender as for katara we haven't seen her fight once so we really don't know how powerful she is. Aang wasn't neglectful they kind of explained that they were a happy family in the end

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    • Kinda sounded like Aang spent way more time with Tenzin and some animosity arose due to that between the children. It is understandable why Aang could end up being neglectful, he had alot on his plate.

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    • Not that people do not like her, but I don't think Ty Lee gets enough respect as a fighter. Some of the acrobatic things she does are just south of Airbender mobility, and she has taken down Everyone from Sokka and Katara to Earth Bender Special forces. Shes a tank.

      A character I never really understood/liked was Zhao. How the hell did this Amateur Fire Bender get to be an Admiral? What did he ever really accomplish? He happened to find Wan Shi Tang's Library, okay pure luck. But dude just gets promoted out of nowhere. Loses an Agni Kai to Zuko. Loses a small fleet of ships fighting Aang. Really enjoyed watching him run away like a coward in season 1 finale.

      Finally, really despise Kya. I am not sure why. But I do. Get over yourself. 

        

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    • I dislike: Really it's just Mako. I felt like Mako was a huge disrespect to his namesake and they should've gave the name to someone who doesn't cheat on people and generally just pull the "I'm so cool" thing. He gets a little better after breaking up with Korra, though, but I'm still disappointed overall in him. Everyone who says they love him, loves him because "he's like Zuko #2" but he's really not. Zuko's character was much more well written.

      I like: I'm not sure where people stand with Asami anymore post-series finale, but I've always loved her. I think people took it the wrong way when she was introduced as the "other woman", when she was meant to be a subversion of that stereotype. She wasn't catty at all; she's sweet, intelligent, sensible, and knows how to run a freaking world class business. I'm so glad that the love triangle ended and she got to shine as a friend rather than a rival (and then a girlfriend, to many's surprise, lol).

      Also, I agree with all of the people that love Wan. I don't see how anyone could dislike him, I was honestly super suprised to see him on OP's list. He's selfless, compassionate, gentle and bright hardworking, and loving of all spirits. He's what I always wanted out of the first Avatar and I hope we get to see more of him, tbh.

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    • Hate

      Zuko: I'm sorry, but this guy get's treated like a prince, acts like a spoilt brat when he doesn't get his way (like entering that meeting which scarred him for life), and just going on and on about his mother. I don't feel one ounce of pity for Zuko. Iroh tries to help him, he denies him. Aang tries to help him, he denies him. Katara tries to help him, he denies her. When things don't go his way, he starts to blame everybody. I honestly can't believe that they accepted him into Team Avatar. Again, we're all supposed to feel sorry for this guy because apparently he had a 'bad childhood' by being pampered and his mother's favourite aswell as the boy who always got his way. One of the main reasons I hate him in addition to all of this is, his character isn't really that interesting. I mean seriously, how many emo anti-hero handsome brooding guy cliches have we seen? Atleast some of them are amusing, while I just want to punch Zuko in the face.

      Mako: Honestly, no amount of sentences will try to explain how much I hate this guy. He thinks he's god's gift to women, splits up with Korra temporarily (which wasn't even agreed on by both of them) and cheats on her with her BEST FRIEND, doesn't care if she's in a hellhole because he's too busy playing tonsil hockey with Asami and treats Bolin like crap. He treats Prince Wu better than the Krew. 


      Dislike

      Kya and Bumi: I don't really hate these two, but they got on my nerves when they act like Aang is the worst father ever. I mean seriously, just be glad that your father wasn't Yakone or Ozai.

      Kai: This guy was supposed to be a thief and a liar but as soon as he meets Jinora (which got alot of attention from the fandom), they give him a full 180 personality turn into this noble, respectful guy who would never harm anything? What happened to the boy who got the Krew into trouble like 2 times? 


      Meh:

      Aang: I like Aang, but the thing that annoys me the most is he wasn't really a main character which he was supposed to be. I'm not asking for them to fill the entire series with Aang, but atleast give him more storylines and more likeable traits which make him realistic instead of being the perfect Gary Stu. The guy's race goes extinct and he's ready to go ride on ride llamas. Jeez.


      Bolin: I would've definitely loved Bolin, but they never treat him like a real character. Same thing with Aang. They're supposed to be important but they're not because half of the attention goes the pointless characters.

      Love:

      Azula: Half of the fandom hate Azula because she was mean to pwoor Zwuko (surprise, surprise). I can feel a small hint of pity towards Azula, because at the end of the day, she worked for her strength and no normal person is just born with power (excluding the Avatar). Ozai used her like a tool and her mother never liked her, favoured Zuko over her and apparently thought she was a monster. Mother of the year award to Ursa for making your daughter mentally unstable.


      Mai: I think most of the hate towards Mai is from the Zutara fandom (no surprise there). But lots of people find her boring which I find the exact opposite. For someone who was spoilt her entire life and didn't have to even lift a finger, she seemed pretty cool and her knife skills really made me like her cause half of the non benders on the show aren't really that strong, but Mai can put up a great fight. Also, she's pretty unpredictable and has one of the strongest lines in the show: "I love Zuko more than I fear you." gave me goosebumps. Such a shame they never treated her like an actual character, hopefully Smoke and Shadow will give her a bit of justice and not focus it all on Zuko.


      Korra: Lots of people hate Korra's personality, but tbh, she's literally the most realistic character on the show and she's not all talk. She can actually kick ass. One of the main reasons I like her is because she's actually a girl. We usually just see guy heroes who are independent but Korra is one of the only characters who can be independent but not annoying and whiny (my opinion ofc). Definitely one of my favourite characters ever. 

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    • While I kinda disagree with your hate zuko thing a litte, I like your opinions, especially the ones for Korra and Mako. Mako might be tolerable for the last half of LOK but he's still unlikable for many reasons. I honestly never got what Korra saw in him.

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    • As a probender he's not seen as an ordinary person. He's among the best at what he does and that makes him interesting. Also, she just went through a big life change and that relationship may have helped the transition. It all cooled down and he became human. I could see alot of the draw to him, with him not being so great for a long term partner to people that like exciting, spontaneous personalities. In his personal life, he's very down to earth and methodical, very structured. In those ways, he seemed to frustrate her, not really offering her what she wanted. Not really his fault, just they weren't very compatable. I could certainly see why she'd be initially interested though.

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    • Frankly, though, there are ways around that. A huge part of a successful relationship is in seeing the other person for who they are, and Korra had time for that. Really, she did; she spent a fair amount of time with him before they started going out, and they had six months together, and while I don't favour the jump-cut method, it says something that they remained together for six months in what seemed to be relative happiness. And reworked Korra, the calmer, more peaceful Korra at the end of Book 1 actually seemed to be a good match for policeman Mako just as firey-headed Korra matched Probender Mako. But then she had a personality reboot... and all her emotional development went downhill, which is pretty hard in a relationship. And then somehow she matures enough to like those aspects in Asami. Seriously, that girl's personality hasn't matured, it's been jumbled and tossed about like a plate of spaghetti. Hardly character development.

      And, no, I really don't get the Mako hate. I think he shouldn't have been so temperamental at times, but hey, he's a Firebender, and nobody blames Korra for it; the whole love triangle wasn't just his fault, and I can understand how it happened. I just think cops in the Avatar world have bad romance lives: Mako, Lin, Toph (ish), and how many of you have met Long Feng's wife? That needs to change.

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    • I'm not talking about them having a "successful relationship," I'm merely stating a likely reasoning as to why she'd be interested in him in the first place. They didn't really make a good couple and we saw that.

      Well, haven't you ever dated someone that you were really interested in for awhile before you dated them, but once you did date, it wasn't everything you dreamed it would be?

      What are you talking about "relative happiness?" they had frequent problems evident of fundamental differences, which ultimately destroyed the relationship. It wasn't just external circumstances, it was their basic personalities too.

      "Calmer Korra" wasn't really who she was though, she was brash and impulsive, looking for adventure. It may have been what she wanted to be, but it wasn't in her nature, at least at that point. Whenever we see her as "calmer Korra" she always reverts (at least prior to book 4, which, if we were given more time, we might see her revert again).

      Asami has some similarities with Mako, but she is different. Both will throw down, but Asami seems more adventurous even in play, whereas, outside of fighting, Mako seems much more reserved. Asami knows how to communicate with Korra on a more emotional level, Mako is usually awkward and not knowing how to act...Asami acts naturally.

      Another element here could be that Asami is a girl, whereas Mako is a boy...and Korra's actual sexual orientation may be such as to prefer females, which is a huge advantage for Asami, while killing Mako's chances. Korra's self discovery could very well have been one of, if not the biggest, problem(s) with her relationship with Mako. It might have just been a "it's not you, it's me" sort of situation.

      As for the "Mako hate" section, oh, I don't let Korra off the hook.

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    • I don't hate any of the characters except Unalaq and Ozai; they're pretty much complete monsters

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    • QueenCeline wrote:
      I don't hate any of the characters except Unalaq and Ozai; they're pretty much complete monsters

      Amen. Hope both burn in Hell. 

      I like Kuvira before she goes nuts - and well, kinda' a little afterward (more-or-less because she's a badass). Something tells me that if her character had been expanded upon in Book 3, that she would have been quite likeable. Early Book 4 it's somewhat ambiguous, but it goes down-hill from there. I like Darth Vader from Star Wars, and they're similar in many respects.

      I like Mai, actually - intelligent, kick-ass with her weapons, and I like her dry/morbid sense of humor. Don't understand why people hate her. Other than the Zutara horde - which I don't understand at all, and I actually like the idea of Kagome/Sesshomaru from Inuyasha... are those two things comparable?

      Honestly, I don't understand the overwhelming majority of the character-bashing I've seen in regards to most fanon (ex: I could totally understand hating Sasuke from Naruto, for a time); all characters have positive and negative traits. 

      I like most characters, but a few just end up somewhere along the lines of "meh". Like Mako; I don't hate him at all, but I can't say I love his character. Bolin is a great and all, but the sheer amount of comic-relief that he was used as (at his own expense) really began to grate on my nerves. Like, it made him seem pathetic to me when I know he isn't; we've clearly seen his proficiency with bending, and he has shown plenty of wisdom from time-to-time. 

      Never hated Korra, but she got better. I like her and Asami. 

      Suyin... I like her, I really do, but I feel like a part of her never quite learned to take responsibility for her actions; varying from her initial exile from RC, to her unwillingness to assist in the stabilization of the Earth Nation (she has her reasons, good ones - but I still don't understand why she sat back and did nothing), and I get the feeling that she might have some control issues (ex: Bataar going nuts).

      Wu. Hated him at the beginning; an idiot, and a damn annoying character. He had some funny moments, but I didn't like him. He got better, to where he was tolerable. Still don't quite like him. 

      Love all the characters from the Gaang; Aang, Zuko, Katara, Toph, Sokka, Suki, etc. Disappointed by their showings in Legend of Korra, but I was glad to see them nonetheless. I also grinned when Iroh showed up in the Spirit World. Made me so happy. 

      Azula's insane, but she's awesome too. Pitied her after she went down the slippery slope to crazy town; hope she gets better. 

      I'm actually okay with what they did to Ursa; they made her human - I'm sure her actions played a part in the disentigration of her family, but I'm glad they took her off that holy pedestal of sorts. That kind of thing is boring, in my opinion. 

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    • I like Mai, actually - intelligent, kick-ass with her weapons, and I like her dry/morbid sense of humor. Don't understand why people hate her. Other than the Zutara horde - which I don't understand at all, and I actually like the idea of Kagome/Sesshomaru from Inuyasha... are those two things comparable?

      I don't know. I didn't understand what you were comparing there.

      I kinda have to agree on Bolin, the humor seemed too forced some times. But he was a nice character, just not as well written as he could have been. I was actually more interested in his relationship with Korra than the love triangle, but when confrontation about her between him and Mako begin, it ended in the same episode.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      I like Mai, actually - intelligent, kick-ass with her weapons, and I like her dry/morbid sense of humor. Don't understand why people hate her. Other than the Zutara horde - which I don't understand at all, and I actually like the idea of Kagome/Sesshomaru from Inuyasha... are those two things comparable?
      I don't know. I didn't understand what you were comparing there.

      I kinda have to agree on Bolin, the humor seemed too forced some times. But he was a nice character, just not as well written as he could have been. I was actually more interested in his relationship with Korra than the love triangle, but when confrontation about her between him and Mako begin, it ended in the same episode.

      Yeah, that was really abrupt. Pissed me off on behalf of Bolin; man doesn't get a break. 

      I was comparing the idea of paring Katara and Zuko with Kagome and Sesshomaru, characters from the show Inuyasha. As I understand it, it's that fandom's equivalent to Zutara. If you don't recognize the characters or the show, then never mind, lol. 

      In which case, I feel it is my duty to recommend looking into Inuyasha. :D

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    • I know them, but i actually thought you were comparing Mai with a fusion of the two, and it was confusing. Nevermind that.

      And anything that is not Sesshoumaru/Rin is blasphemy. And c'mon, she's a human and she can grow old, so don't lecture me.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      I know them, but i actually thought you were comparing Mai with a fusion of the two, and it was confusing. Nevermind that.

      And anything that is not Sesshoumaru/Rin is blasphemy. And c'mon, she's a human and she can grow old, so don't lecture me.

      ... I am... disturbed. I mean, yeah, I get where you're coming from. But... I'm really straining to not use profanity. XD

      I prefer a father-daughter kind of relationship between them. Let's leave it at that, eh? Agree to disagree?

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    • Maybe while she is a child. She will grow older and have a woman's body, then he will stop using all the other females characters as his playthings and fall deeply in love with her. That's almost canon.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      Maybe while she is a child. She will grow older and have a woman's body, then he will stop using all the other females characters as his playthings and fall deeply in love with her. That's almost canon.

      ... Do we have to keep talking about this? D: 

      I do however wish to say that the age difference (as in, physical appearance) isn't quite what kills it; after all, Han Solo is ten years older than Leia, and most people have no problems with them being a couple. 

      Subect change, por favor?

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    • Since you aked in latin.

      Look, i was gonna talk about why i disliked Korra before it was cool but as there are a lot of people that don't like her i should say that i hope Azula either dies or at least doesn't get totally redeemed. I wouldn't like her asking for forgiviness or forgiving her mother.

      Also, adding Ursa to the characters i don't like. Mostly because she decided to forget about her kids and went to live a happy life while Zuko was being burned and Azula was in serious need of love.

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    • Going back on topic, I'd like to add Old Toph to my dislike list. I know it's technically the same character but while her atla incarnation had some funny moments, Old Toph was annoying and a bit unlikable nearly every scene. Really wanted Korra to knock her on her butt.

      Oh, and Jeong jeong, even though I'm not sure he's popular or not. He just came off an angry guy filled with self loathing.

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    • The way she raised her kids with too much freedom because she didn't have any was kind of stupid. You'd think that after talking with her father in the comics and going in an adventure she wouldn't be so focused on that, but it's the opposite.

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    • The comics suck IMO. the stories are stupid and the characters are treated terribly. I dislike Koh's mom most of all because she turned a very cool character into a total non-threat. 

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    • I liked the Search because it showed a little more of Azula as a kid and the way she feels about her mother.

      But the Mother of Faces i didn't like. But they showed some interesting interaction between Azula and her mother, so...

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    • Herein we disagree entirely, Avatar Beta. The comics did a much better job than Korra ever did after Book 1, in terms of story, worldbuilding, character interaction, and personality. Feel free to start a debate; just not here. Maybe on another forum post.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      Herein we disagree entirely, Avatar Beta. The comics did a much better job than Korra ever did after Book 1, in terms of story, worldbuilding, character interaction, and personality. Feel free to start a debate; just not here. Maybe on another forum post.

      Haha, you're hilarious.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      The comics suck IMO. the stories are stupid and the characters are treated terribly. I dislike Koh's mom most of all because she turned a very cool character into a total non-threat. 

      I don't understand who the Mother existing turns Koh into a "total non-threat". Just because she can reverse the process doesn't mean Koh isn't dangerous; someone would still have to find her and as we've seen, that's not an easy task

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    • It's not that. It's the idea that Koh does what he does based on a falling out with his mom.

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    • Motherhood is subjective among spirits. See "Cranefish and Dark Spirits" for more, but Koh and the Mother of Faces actually match pretty well. They're a bit like Tui and La, push and pull, give and take, only with faces. They certainly preserve more of the "spirits are amoral" idea than Raava and Vaatu.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      It's not that. It's the idea that Koh does what he does based on a falling out with his mom.

      I still don't see why that's so bad. A lot of people do the things they do based on past experiences. Falling out between spirits and gods happens often in mythology and causes said gods to change their behavior, like Shinto myth of Izanami or the Polynesian one of Hine, so Koh and the Mother's fallout could be viewed like those stories.

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    • Avatar Vyakara wrote:
      They're a bit like Tui and La, push and pull, give and take, only with faces. They certainly preserve more of the "spirits are amoral" idea than Raava and Vaatu.

      That's what I was thinking as well

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    • I really dislike Su Yin. She was very much a hypocrite at almost every point she showed up in. She made Lin look like the idiot she wasn't, and then rubbed defeat in Kuvira's face after she gave up fighting.

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    • BankaiBilly wrote:
      I really dislike Su Yin. She was very much a hypocrite at almost every point she showed up in. She made Lin look like the idiot she wasn't, and then rubbed defeat in Kuvira's face after she gave up fighting.

      Amen. I still like her, but no where as much as I like Lin. 

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    • One new additition to my dislike list:yue. I never really knew why but she just annoyed me, crying all the time and being whiny. People talk her up for her sacrifice and going through with her arranged marriage "for her  people" however that works but stiill, meh. 

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    • For me, I never really understood why people hate Katara, I was rather surprised when I first heard that. I think she's actually a strong character; yeah, feminine, but an awesome fighter, a sort of mother-figure as well who tends to pick up everyone when they're at their lowest and has a really good heart and believes in a better world. To me that's something I adore in a person, even though I guess I can understand that some people would find her naive for that.

      I also really like Aang, maybe even more than Korra. Yeah, sure, he acted pretty childish, especially in the beginning, but that's because he was a child. And he had to have responsibilities and go through things no adult should have, let alone a 12-year-old boy. So, to me, his character development from the silly boy to the respected avatar was astonishing. He has his flaws, but for some reason I felt like he was much more relatable (I guess because of my own personality) than Korra, who seemed to only use her muscles to fight her way out of everything with brute force, like some thug. But then again, that changed pretty much during Book 3 and 4, and I started to actually like her; she had her moments and became a person I could relate to way more than during Book 1 and 2.

      About Zuko, I absolutely adore him. He's one of the best villains/heroes/anti-heroes I've ever seen, not even in just a cartoon, but in anything. I don't know why people don't like him, I love that his character is so layered and not so black-and-white, really complex. I love Iroh too, and it was a delight when he made a few appearances in TLOK too. He's just amazing. And Leaves from the Vine.

      I'm a bit disappointed though, how they portrayed some of the old members of the Gaang - like Aang as the neglective parent who only focused on his airbender son and put too much pressure on him, or Toph who maybe had good intentions by giving her children too much freedom but messed them up emotionally. Katara was fine I guess, we didn't really see her development in TLOK, and Zuko didn't have much of a role either, not to mention Sokka, who just died, sometime, somewhere. I feel like that was a bit unfair, after all he was a lovable character and I felt like he would've deserved people to at least mention once what happened to him.

      Though that's more of my disappointment, I'm not blaming the writers of the show - I'm just disappointed the heroes of my childhood didn't turn out the way I thought they would, but that makes TLOK that much more realistic, showing that everybody has his flaws and isn't perfect, even the ones we look up to. And it's not like they turned out to be horrible - just not perfect, like everyone.

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    • I have to start with the caveat that if I don't really like the character, it has more to do with the writing and some of the odd decisions the creators went with. 

      Mako (dislike): I'm not a fan of Mako after about halfway through book 2. I don't even know why he's still featured so often. Give this guy something else to do. He didn't even want to be in book 3. The only real reason for his apperance is the whole Team Avatar thing.

      Meelo (dislike): I'm mostly refering to book 4 Meelo. He's featured far too many times compared to someone like Jinora. He's not even a good character at that and is just there for kid jokes. Most of his screen time really should have been for Jinora who ended up being a third tier character for book 4 despite so much importance throughout book 3.

      Ikki (like): Most would place a neutral emphasis on her but I always liked the middle child. She really came into her own in book 4 and, despite a lack of screen time, I love her for it.

      Iroh II (dislike): After book 1, he's just there as Dante Bosco's paycheck and I find that pretty offensive.

      Bolin (neutral): I really really really want to like Bolin but he just feels so one note. His humor wasn't to my taste either. Add in a lack of real character development too.

      Pema (like): DIdn't get as much attention as she could have but she played the mom part very well. Far better than Korra's mother ever did. It was always a joy to see her on screen doing something.

      Aang (neutral): I'm mixed on Aang. He's not a terrible character but I never really loved him as much as the other Avatars. He's more competent than Korra and has the better overall arc, but I'll always pick the lass from the SWT any day.

      I'll add that I like certain character's underlying ideas that the show is trying to portray. These include Unalaq and Kuvira. There's some nice stuff going on with each of them but the show fails with each in different ways. Unalaq is pretty incompetent and becomes relegated to a joke. Kuvira just becomes a fascist with little to no emphasis on good qualities for herself or her rule, but also that lack of character transition between book 3 and 4. Again, I have to put the blame on the writing.

      Is there an actual poll or something that tells us who is particularly popular or unpopular? If I knew, I could probably give more characters and an opinion that might be opposite than the collective community.

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    • I agree with you on Pema. I've heard she gets quite a bit of hate for "stealing Tenzin from Lin", but I think she's actually pretty great, even though she doesn't appear that often. My opinion of her is that she's not just a patient and good mother, but also someone Tenzin can always rely on. She often gives him advice and I feel like there's an awesome balance with the two, Tenzin being spiritual and serious all the time, while Pema being softer and the one that always supports him when he has a hard time. Even though she's not a bender, she gave up her own life, moved to an airbender temple and lived kind of like a monk. I can respect that.

      I also agree with you on Bolin, he started off as a cool guy who's funny but confident... then I feel like they kind of went too far with the jokes and made himself a joke too. I was always a bit disapointed, how they took away almost any depth and seriousness from him. Though he still had his moments I guess.

      About Iroh II... oh my god, why couldn't they hire another voice actor? I just can't understand what was the purpose of having Zuko's voice for him. Though it made for a few pretty funny memes, I didn't like it. Did they really not have the money, or did they think it was a good idea, for some reason? (Okay, I'm just exaggerating right now.) I don't know why, but it pissed me off quite a bit when I heard him talk for the first time.. or it just caught me off guard, possibly. I get that they wanted to be nostalgic or something, but I was more like, c'mon people, why?

      Meelo, on the other hand, was okay for me. Yeah, the fartbending might have gone a little overboard, but he was okay in my book, I enjoyed seeing his silliness. For me it was a different case than Bolin, because Meelo was actually a kid, so I didn't find his childish behaviour and kid jokes that annoying. Jinora and Ikki should've had more time though, especially the latter, since we hardly found out anything about her, despite that she talks fast, basically.

      About the villains, I think Amon was really cool. His end was even cooler. Dark, yeah, but it gave me the chills. Well written. Also, he had some really good points, which in my opinion weren't used to their full potential. For example, as soon as Book 1 ended, the Equalist movement was just gone as soon as it arrived... I think that was a mistake and pretty unrealistic, but I guess it's their show. Still, I would've liked to see the aftermath of that. As I said, he made a few really good points.

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    • Pema's great, she's like a walking, talking reaction meme.

      I was indifferent to Bolin at first, but I grew to like him a lot in the latter part of the series.

      It's not unreasonable that Iroh II would sound like his grandfather, & it's nostalgic, I don't see what the issue is as far as his voice is concerned.

      I don't like Meelo, but after Book 1, his screen time was reduced to levels that I could tolerate easily.

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    • I actually liked Earth Queen Hou-Ting. It was a shame she only appeared in 3 episodes then died, I wanted to know more about her

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    • Yeah, it's not unreasonable, and it was indeed nostalgic and heartwarming to hear that old emo-voice of Zuko that we all loved. :D

      But at the same time, it was really strange for me. Maybe just because I missed the original series and it reminded me of that, because even Zuko's voice wasn't his anymore.

      And I guess it's just personal preference.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      It's not unreasonable that Iroh II would sound like his grandfather, & it's nostalgic, I don't see what the issue is as far as his voice is concerned.

      For me, he was under utilized. Why bring in Dante Basco for just a line or two (post book 1)? Let him do a background voice, some minor new airbender, an additional line, or something!

      Well, the writers pretty much under utilized the entire FN royal family though. Would have liked to hear more of older Zuko or Izumi. : /

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    • That's why I specified "as far as his voice is concerned."

      For screentime, I feel like he more-or-less showed up as often as was apropos to the plot. Some might argue that he could have fought in the final battle or something like that, which is true, but there were already so many characters being juggled there. Sometimes, you really want to work a character in, but it's not in the cards.

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    • Not gonna point fingers—and not even talking about anyone in this discussion—but I think that for all Korra exasperated me at first (I could never bring myself to dislike her, because it always seemed like she meant well even when she wasn't quite getting it; she exasperated me nonetheless), I think I give far more of an honest damn about her than a hell of a lot of people who claim to just adore her.  Because...not to be too brutally candid, but there seems to be a distressing trend of people claiming to adore Korra, while seeming to only give an actual damn about her the way that I (and I'm willing to admit to this) give an actual damn about Zaheer.  Which is to say, only within the context of a specific pairing

      Oh; and I'm really not fond of Varrick or Wu.

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    • I was always neutral about Zaheer. On the one hand, I really wanted to know more about him and the gang, but we really only got a few minor tidbits. On the other hand, I felt like they didn't do enough with his plan and tieing it with Korra. Would have been perfectly fine if they tuned the plan up a bit and Korra was almost conviced to help him for a short period of time instead of the "gotta kill the Avatar" thing.

      I don't hate Varrick, but he was about the best thing we got in book 2. That and Wan.

      Wu was about as annoying as book 4 Meelo: too many lines and forced at times. At the very least, he and Mako would have been a good couple.

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    • I've been struggling to find where to begin on this topic, since I don't know where most people stand on most characters.

      But I friggin' love Wu.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I've been struggling to find where to begin on this topic, since I don't know where most people stand on most characters.

      But I friggin' love Wu.

      Just go by the thread? I wouldn't mind some chart or an eqivalent to also show where the community stands on the characters.

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    • Kubernes wrote:

      Just go by the thread? I wouldn't mind some chart or an eqivalent to also show where the community stands on the characters.

      I agree, a poll or something like that would be nice (though I have to admit, I have no idea how to do that), to know where people stand - like I said, I've never had any idea about people hating for example Katara, until I read a few comments about it here and there.

      It's always interesting to see different opinions and different interpretations of characters and their possible motives. I love these discussions when they don't turn into flame wars, which I have been able to avoid so far, fortunately.

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    • Wu: I was actually really surprised to figure out this guy was one of the most disliked characters in LoK. I love his vainty and humor. Sure, he's spoiled rotten and would've made a weaker and more naive king than Kuei, but he's such an relaxed and amusing character compared to others like Mako. I love his awful singing, his awful flirting skills, and his character in general. Wu down.

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    • Yeah. The one time I thought Wu really crossed the line from being amusing to unpleasant was exactly when his character development started to kick in. Which is a good thing, it means he was supposed to cross a line & realize he couldn't keep behaving as he was.

      I thought his singing was okay. Not anything you'd buy tickets for, but basically competent.

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    • TheGreatMystery wrote:
      Kubernes wrote:

      Just go by the thread? I wouldn't mind some chart or an eqivalent to also show where the community stands on the characters.

      I agree, a poll or something like that would be nice (though I have to admit, I have no idea how to do that), to know where people stand - like I said, I've never had any idea about people hating for example Katara, until I read a few comments about it here and there.

      It's always interesting to see different opinions and different interpretations of characters and their possible motives. I love these discussions when they don't turn into flame wars, which I have been able to avoid so far, fortunately.

      Yeah, I never really thought Katara would be dislike as much as I've seen her. Sort of thought she might have leaned towards a more neutral side than dislike overall. Suppose I felt neutral about her younger self but I didn't mind the older Katara at all. Might have been the fact that she was one of the few links to the older show until Zuko and Toph appeared.

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    • I don't hate her as much as some seem to, but I don't like her as much as a lot of people. I don't know what that counts as.

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    • Neutral I guess? Feels like a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10.

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    • I always liked her, not saying she's my favourite character ever, but I could see where she was coming from most of the time, even when she was a little annoying.

      Also, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who has never seriously shipped "Zutara". I mean, I did think that was the way they were headed at one point, but for me, it was fine that instead, Aang and Katara were the ones that ended up together. Not a mind-blowing plot twist or anything, you could see it coming from a mile away, but for me, it was satisfying enough. A few people seemed to be really upset about it though.

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    • TheGreatMystery wrote:
      I always liked her, not saying she's my favourite character ever, but I could see where she was coming from most of the time, even when she was a little annoying.

      Also, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who has never seriously shipped "Zutara". I mean, I did think that was the way they were headed at one point, but for me, it was fine that instead, Aang and Katara were the ones that ended up together. Not a mind-blowing plot twist or anything, you could see it coming from a mile away, but for me, it was satisfying enough. A few people seemed to be really upset about it though.

      Maybe it's because I'm a canon shipper, but honestly, I can never recall ever shipping them together. Hell, I never even saw anything remotely romantic between them.

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    • Zutara never even entered my thoughts until I came here. Which was after the original show ended.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Zutara never even entered my thoughts until I came here. Which was after the original show ended.

      Same.

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    • TheGreatMystery wrote:
      I always liked her, not saying she's my favourite character ever, but I could see where she was coming from most of the time, even when she was a little annoying.

      Also, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who has never seriously shipped "Zutara". I mean, I did think that was the way they were headed at one point, but for me, it was fine that instead, Aang and Katara were the ones that ended up together. Not a mind-blowing plot twist or anything, you could see it coming from a mile away, but for me, it was satisfying enough. A few people seemed to be really upset about it though.

      I've never shipped Zutara; like the two comments above, I didn't even know it existed unitl long after the show ended and once I found out about, I actualy hated it it, like a lot, I even wrote a whole thing on DevArt about why I hate it. Of course, later on, I realized it wasn't Zutara I hated so much as Zutarian fangirls

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    • I don't know why, but as soon as I found out about the existence of Zutara, I directly hated it. It took me a long time to not hate it, but I managed to be neutral about all the pairings. I even like Zutara a bit now.

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    • Korra2000 wrote:
      I don't know why, but as soon as I found out about the existence of Zutara, I directly hated it. It took me a long time to not hate it, but I managed to be neutral about all the pairings. I even like Zutara a bit now.

      the moment i heard about it i wondered how fans can come to such pairings XD

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    • Okay, then it seems like I'm not so alone with my opinion, after all. :D

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    • I think there's no one who's really alone with his/her opinion(s) here. :D

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    • That's good, I'm glad I've found this site then. :)

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    • But seriously why the hell is the Zutara fandom so freaking big? Is it the "good girl and bad boy" cliche? At least 50% of fanfictions are Zutara fanfics.

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    • I know what you mean. I've seen tons of Zutara fics and fanart and it swallows up Kataang every time. It seems fans saw/still see something in both "the waterbending scroll" and their interactions in the Crystal Catacombs. The weird thing is that Makorra was created basicly to appease the Zutara shippers. 

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    • There was way too much shipping in both of these series. The recent Ba Sing Se Times, for instance, even has an article about the Ty Lee/Sokka ship. Looking back at some of the relationships, the creators sort of legitimized shipping.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      There was way too much shipping in both of these series. The recent Ba Sing Se Times, for instance, even has an article about the Ty Lee/Sokka ship. Looking back at some of the relationships, the creators sort of legitimized shipping.

      Man, I haven't even heard about that one. Sokka and Ty Lee? Where did that come from? Though I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, it seems like people really do ship just about anyone with anyone.

      But yes, I agree, there was way too much shipping in both shows - especially in TLOK, for my taste, that love-triangle was just annoying. I'm glad they decided to end it eventually, I didn't want that to turn into another Twilight or something.

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    • Ty Lee had stated that she found Sokka "cute" and it was very obvious that she had a crush on him.

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    • Korra2000 wrote:
      Ty Lee had stated that she found Sokka "cute" and it was very obvious that she had a crush on him.

      Oh yeah, you're right. I think I might have just completely forgotten about it because in my eyes, it was decided that Sokka is with Suki, and that's it. :)

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    • That's it, basically.

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    • TheGreatMystery wrote:
      Kubernes wrote:
      There was way too much shipping in both of these series. The recent Ba Sing Se Times, for instance, even has an article about the Ty Lee/Sokka ship. Looking back at some of the relationships, the creators sort of legitimized shipping.
      Man, I haven't even heard about that one. Sokka and Ty Lee? Where did that come from? Though I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, it seems like people really do ship just about anyone with anyone.

      But yes, I agree, there was way too much shipping in both shows - especially in TLOK, for my taste, that love-triangle was just annoying. I'm glad they decided to end it eventually, I didn't want that to turn into another Twilight or something.

      I never gave the Ty Lee and Sokka situation any serious thought. Yeah, there was the cute comment, but it felt like that was based more on Ty Lee's personality rather than anything else. 

      Love triangles are fine if done well. For example, Macross usually has a pretty good triangle in most of its series. The book 1 triangle was ok because it ended somewhat appropriately. Sure, alittle rushed at the end, but the entire post Amon portion of book 1 was very rushed. It was just that second "attempt" that was just awful.

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    • Yeah, I guess love triangles can be fine if they're done well.. but from what I've seen so far, more often than not, they aren't.

      I agree, it did seem pretty rushed though... maybe because originally they intended for it to be the end of the whole series? Perhaps they tried to just wrap it up so it could be satisfying as an end but could also have the potential of continuation.

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    • TheGreatMystery wrote:
      Yeah, I guess love triangles can be fine if they're done well.. but from what I've seen so far, more often than not, they aren't.

      I agree, it did seem pretty rushed though... maybe because originally they intended for it to be the end of the whole series? Perhaps they tried to just wrap it up so it could be satisfying as an end but could also have the potential of continuation.

      What do you consider a good love triangle?

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    • I haven't really seen one yet, or I can't recall, that's why I said I guess they can be fine. I don't really know about them, since usually they just annoy me in general, so I think I'm not the right person to discuss that aspect of anything, really.

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    • I hate mako because mako can light bend and he only do that once in a season if he use it he can defete anyone Azula's plans also work because of her lighting.

      I also hate Bolin because he is not funny his jokes is even worst than meelo.

      I aslo hate Korra, she is the worst avatar ever who rely upon her emotions than logic and past avatar wisdom

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    • Full list of characters I hate and Love (Exclusively to ATLA, I haven't watched alot of LOK):

      Hate:

      Sozin - I very very simply just hated his way of life and his "morals".

      Ozai - Again, I hated his way of life, and the way he taught his own children

      Azulon - Again again, I really just did not enjoy his presence, however I'm probably biased because I hated all/most of the Firelords, and he could be being misjudged due to the fact that we know very little about him.

      Zhao - I'll put it simply so I don't go on a hundred year rant; He was extremely rude/selfish

      Dislike:

      Katara - She's kind of moody and hypocritical at some points in the story

      Yue - She's kind of overdramatic.. That's pretty much it, just imagine; you're talking to your friend (in this hypothetical situation, Yue), and then you give them a present, and she's just all like: "*dramatic sighing* Thank you, but I cannot accept it", kind of like how Sokka gave Yue the bea- fish, I get she already had an arranged marrige, but she didn't really have to be like "*dramatic sigh* I am sorry, but... I just can't!!!!" Other than that, I'm pretty cool with her, though.

      Jet - I'm kind of wishy washy with him, I hated him at first because, y'know, he kinda tried to kill a bunch of innocent people, but then after the moments at Ba Sing Se, I just really don't know how to feel about him. I guess I also didn't like him because, while he never said it in text, his face always just told me, "I can get ANY girl I want, I can move on from them in 5 minutes anway", and I, also being a girl, just made that feel even worse to me. But I started to look up to him more in Ba Sing Se, I just don't really like him that much.

      Indifferent/OK/acceptable:

      Momo - It's not that I don't like him, but I just don't feel a strong connection with him

      Appa - Same for Appa, I just don't feel very connected to them

      Like:

      Ty Lee - She's enthusiastic and fun, I'd definately be her best friend if I could! Though a bit girly for me.

      Mai - I ADORE her character design, and she's a bit funny at time, however, she just doesn't connect to me that much, she feels to plain, or boring.

      Azula - I just love how insane and corrupted she is. While I really don't like her relationship with Zuko, I just really adore how she's so corrupted. You see evil little girl, I see corrupted child who was just taught horrible things.

      Aang - I adore his philosophy and sympathy for all, he kind of reminds me of myself. I'm probably the only person who was actually happy he had spared Ozai, even if he was one of the worst people of the Firenation (IMO).

      Suki - She's caring, loyal, and courageous, I love it. Her reappearance during Sozin's Comet to save Toph and Sokka almost made me cry. I'm also very fond of her design, it looks really nice.

      Love:

      Sokka - I love his sarcasm, it's hilarious, and yet, while also being a joke to the group sometimes, he's also loyal, caring, and is just trying to defend his family and friends. 

      Toph - I L-O-V-E Toph's personality, I just love how she's like the tomboy, manlyman of the group, and her special abilities. I adore how she both has the ability of Seismic Sense, and Metalbending, it makes her super powerful, and a very good opponent. 

      Iroh - I love his wisdom and character development throughout the story, he is very wise, and he actually inspired me. I loved the other characters, but Iroh's wise mind has helped, and inspired me to gain my own wisdom, in result of actually helping me through a lot of my problems at said time. He's also just simply hilarious at times when he's not being serious, and top it all off, he's really supportive of Zuko, and fond of making new friends.

      ZUKO - MY FANGIRLING CAN'T RESIST HIS SEASON 3 HAIR EEEEEEEEEEEHEE!!!! In all seriousness, he had gone through a lot of character development, and he was actually alot nicer than everyone thought he was. I honestly thought he was going to be the overly cliche antagonist of the show, but he wasn't, he also learned from his mistakes, he figured out his own path, and forged it for himself, I love that character development right there. Top it all off, Zuko, from my memory, was the reason why I started watching the show. 

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    • I absolute detest Mako. He acts so high and mighty, even though he's really petty, and thinks that everything should be done to his whim, even though he makes huge mistakes. He expected Korra to accept that he put his police job ahead of the fate of the world, even though he sold out their plan. 

      I don't hate Asami, I just don't see her point. She didn't develop at all, and really just served to cause problems that the main characters have to overcome. Hell, half of Season 2 is just her problems and Mako's, and they don't really get resolved, aside from some blurry shenanigans between Season 1 and 2. 

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    • I really like the ATLA and LOK girls.If Korra and 14 yr old Katara teamed up to take over the universe,we'd all die.

      My personal favorites are Katara,Zuko,Suki and Korra.

      Appa,Momo,Naga and Pabu need more screen time.

      I despise Aang,Toph,Sokka and Mako.Kill them all and dye my clothes red with their blood.

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    • I'll just out with it. I hate Unaloq for what he did to the Avatar Cycle! I will never forgive him for crippling it.

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    • Except almost no one loves Unalaq. I'm arguably his biggest supporter on this website & my stance is, "He's not great, but at least he's not Kuvira."

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Except almost no one loves Unalaq. I'm arguably his biggest supporter on this website & my stance is, "He's not great, but at least he's not Kuvira."

      I kind of understand why people hate him, but his character was really okay. It wasn't a fantastic way to bring up spirits, but bringing a siblin rivalry into the midst of all the action, as well as tying him to Zaheer in Book 3 worked decently. Again, at least he's not Kuvira. 

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    • I haven't seen LoK, so I'm only talking about AtLA characters.

      The only characters I really hate are Ozai and Azulon. Ozai because he was so horrible to the world and his family, and Azulon...same reason. I do think that maybe we should've gotten more backstory on Ozai, maybe then he I might've felt bad for him. As for Sozin, yes, I dislike him, but I can't hate him because we were shown that he was a better person as a young man.

      I don't get why people dislike Katara (who I love), I suppose it has to do with the sexism against female characters in general. I also like Mai, and I hate the Zutara/Maiko wars. For that reason I decided Katara and Mai were BFFs.

      I do like Azula. I think Ozai conditioned her to feel threatened by everyone, even the people she cared about (because I think she did care about Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee), so that she would only feel worthwhile if he accepted her.

      I also adore Zuko, but I don't think that's an unpopular opinion by any means.

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    • Oh: and I'm sure it's no secret by now that I want to smack Zaheer into the next franchise over with a sledgehammer (despite being a shameless P'heer-monger).

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    • I can't believe I haven't said this yet: I megaloathe Kuvira.

      It's not just that she's a terrible person. Or that she's utterly boring. The #1 thing that drives me crazy about a villain is when they have big apologist fanbases.

      To be perfectly clear, I don't have a problem with people liking villains for being stylish, intimidating, interesting, or just overall effective villains. Even if they're absolutely wrong, because Kuvira is none of those things.

      No, my problem is that we have a violent, narcissistic fascist dictator who is revered as a hero by a disturbingly large amount of fans. Kuvira was not the good guy. Gal. Whatever, the point is that the show was not exactly subtle about that.

      Yet I still see the most convoluted justifications for the things she does. No, see, it's a good thing she put all of those ethnic minorities in camps, they're obviously ticking time bombs. Of course she's justified in attacking Republic City, because before that loosely affiliated parties independently decided to resist her invasion of Zaofu. Of course she should make it against the law to disagree with her, we wouldn't want public opinion to change, then we could no longer justify her on the basis that she has popular support!

      How much do you want to bet these are the same people who say that the Avatar has too much power, & shouldn't be able to just go around doing whatever she wants?

      Anyway, the point is this is just 1 of those things about the fanbase that makes me shake my head in embarrassment, along with monarchist fetishism, Korrasami denialism, & really bad fan fiction ideas.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I can't believe I haven't said this yet: I megaloathe Kuvira.

      It's not just that she's a terrible person. Or that she's utterly boring. The #1 thing that drives me crazy about a villain is when they have big apologist fanbases.

      To be perfectly clear, I don't have a problem with people liking villains for being stylish, intimidating, interesting, or just overall effective villains. Even if they're absolutely wrong, because Kuvira is none of those things.

      No, my problem is that we have a violent, narcissistic fascist dictator who is revered as a hero by a disturbingly large amount of fans. Kuvira was not the good guy. Gal. Whatever, the point is that the show was not exactly subtle about that.

      Yet I still see the most convoluted justifications for the things she does. No, see, it's a good thing she put all of those ethnic minorities in camps, they're obviously ticking time bombs. Of course she's justified in attacking Republic City, because before that loosely affiliated parties independently decided to resist her invasion of Zaofu. Of course she should make it against the law to disagree with her, we wouldn't want public opinion to change, then we could no longer justify her on the basis that she has popular support!

      How much do you want to bet these are the same people who say that the Avatar has too much power, & shouldn't be able to just go around doing whatever she wants?

      Anyway, the point is this is just 1 of those things about the fanbase that makes me shake my head in embarrassment, along with monarchist fetishism, Korrasami denialism, & really bad fan fiction ideas.

      I really never got why people supported her at any point in history. You could make the claim that they were just submissive, but that doesn't explain away the cheering when she took over or the fact that mecha - robots were willing to save her when in the clutches of the most powerful benders in the world. 

      I feel like Season 4 is really the opposite of Season 1. Season 1 was mostly lackluster, except for a fantastic villain in Amon. Season 4 was very well - developed, with a sucky villain. Now, I'm not saying she wasn't a threat, but she didn't have any character. 

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    • I really disliked Suyin because not only was she hypocritical, but she never showed any real character growth. While characters should have flaws, they should eventually come to recognize and overcome them. Suyin did whatever she pleased without regards towards the consequences, and by the end of the story everything was still going her way.

      While I was somewhat neutral about Jinora at first, I later came to dislike her character. She seemed to constantly go back and forth from being either nonessential or captured to doing a deus ex machina and saving the day. 

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    • I really never got why people supported her at any point in history. You could make the claim that they were just submissive, but that doesn't explain away the cheering when she took over or the fact that mecha - robots were willing to save her when in the clutches of the most powerful benders in the world.

      Propaganda & making dissent illegal can go a long way.

      Also, credit where it's due, she did bring the bandit problem under control & bring supplies to villages that had none (even if that was as a hard sell technique).

      She would also get credit for the Earth Empire's industrial advances, even though those were 110% the brainchildren of her husband, Varrick, & Zhu Li.

      As far as I can tell, Kuvira is only really good at threatening people & beating them up. She's not good at large scale strategy, she wastes resources on overly grandoise plots like a giant robot. She's sure not a diplomat.

      Point is, I can kind of excuse the characters, but the audience has a bird's eye view, we should know better.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      She would also get credit for the Earth Empire's industrial advances, even though those were 110% the brainchildren of her husband, Varrick, & Zhu Li.

      I agreed with everything you said, but this kinda stuck out to me: Kuvira and Varrick are married?

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    • No, her husband is Bataar Jr, but I forgot his name for a minute because he's really known mostly as "Kuvira's husband with the inferiority complex towards his parents."

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    • I mainly don't see why Kuvira has such a fan following, and suspect that it's mainly because she's pretty.  I do think that she made an effective antagonist—in the sense that, even as you're wondering who the hell thought it was a good idea to give this woman a responsibility more important than crossing guard, you've got an idea of what drives her (and she's pretty, and clearly meant to be charismatic in-universe)—and she did put an "oh, shit" expression on Zaheer's face; but she's really not all that evocative.  And going all "no way of determining their loyalty" on immigrants puts a big dent in any antivillain cred that she might otherwise have had.

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    • I never saw her alleged attractiveness. Though I guess it's possible the fact that people apparently perceive her as pretty is a factor (as it is a major contributor to the Draco In Leather Pants phenomenon in general), really I think fascism is just more popular than people would like to think. See: The rise of the alt right. I'm honestly less surprised that the fanbase has that type than I am that it has people who actually want to bring back kings & queens, which I literally never heard of before I joined this Wiki.

      As for Kuvira's effectiveness as an antagonist, that was about half me being a smartass. I'm not sure if there's really even a definition for "effective antagonist." That said, I can't think of a lot of dimensions along which I'd say she's really effective as a villain. If it's someone who's a real threat to the protagonist, she's not really that, because Korra almost kills her early on before the timely invention of the plot & during their 2nd battle she doesn't even feel the need to use the Avatar State. If it's someone with a relatable goal, I don't think she is, because that "I'm doing all of this because I'm an orphan" thing comes right the fuck out of left field & doesn't really justify anything. She does give insight on how a fascist dictator can rise to power, but that's the 1st couple episodes & after that she devolves into the kind of cartoon villain who starts a war with a giant robot because of reasons. She's supposedly a representation of what Korra could have been, but that's really hard to see, because Korra never exactly had fascist ultra-nationalist leanings. If it's someone who leads a really powerful force & does a lot of damage, I guess she has that in spades.

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    • ...dammit.  I typed out a whole explanation of "Kuvira as shadow archetype of Korra and why it works," complete with how I think her "no way of determining their loyalty" bisonshit made no sense (and a few more obligatory jabs at Zaheer).  But the wiki ate the damn thing. 

      Suffice to say that it was about: Korra's fundamentally compassionate nature even at her worst; the position that she's ended up in relative to the establishment in more than one arc; the implications of framing anti-establishment groups as the greater threat; and Kuvira—who is similarly determined and impetuous, but nowhere near as compassionate—having become both the establishment and the unequivocal greater threat (in fact, essentially the sole real threat).

      And Kuvira's character design is deliberately evocative of Korra's.  Korra is intended to be pretty in a fresh-faced, no-frills sort of way.  Between that and Wu outright saying as much (both when half-assedly attempting to flirt with her and after), it seems clear enough that Kuvira is similarly supposed to be attractive.

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    • Never really got how she was supposed to be attractive, just to put that out there. Seems pretty weird, to try and have a thought - provoking and semi - dangerous villain, and then pull out all the cliches, and then pray to God that the audience thought that the villain was pretty. 

      Not to say she wasn't attractive, I'd strap her dow - I mean, I would enjoy dating her, provided she weren't crazed. But then again, she did try to kill Bataar Jr. when he was captured, and I don't want to think of what could happen to me if Kuvira "accidentally" blows up my house. I'll pass. Next up: Azula!

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    • You see, that's why I copy everything I write before I send it through. Paranoia is my greatest asset. Anyway, that's the thing, a continuing problem I have with Kuvira is that much of what's "supposed to be" the case with her is Informed Attributes.

      Take her physical similarity to Korra. I suppose they do have visually similar body shapes...but so does Zhu Li. She's close enough to Kuvira to fool the seismic sense, & I actually found an image of her replacing Korra on the title card, & there's not really that much difference. Also, Opal could stand in for Korra. There's really not that many different "young adult woman" body types in this show. They're differentiated mainly by their facial features, & in that regard Kuvira & Korra look nothing alike, so we only know this superficial similarity is supposed to be significant because the writers said so.

      Same thing with her similarity to Korra in terms of personality. Of course Korra is absolutely correct to say that they're both headstrong & quick to rush into things & whatever else she said. But that's horoscope logic. That's a really general description of a personality, so it will be easy to match, & when you take into account little things like Korra has never really been able to watch people suffer & be all blaise about it, unlike Kuvira, well then they just go in wildly different directions.

      Actually, something similar is brought up in the webcomic Order of the Stick. For anyone who doesn't read it, a recurring group of antagonists is the Linear Guild, the leader of which explicitly chooses to assemble it out of people he views could count as "evil opposites" to his enemies. Eventually, the leader of the hero party points out that of course he can always find people to staff the Linear Guild, he just has to focus on superficial traits. If he needs an opposite of a male dwarf cleric who fears trees, he could just find a dwarf druid, or a female dwarf barbarian, or a zombie halfling, or whatever.

      Not that I'm against foils, but...the more similar the writer insists the characters are, the more similar they should actually be. If there's huge discrepancies in the way they act, then I start to think they're overselling a really small point of common ground.

      As the saying goes, Satan is in the specifications.

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    • Korra is taller and visibly larger-framed even after having lost some weight during her convalescence; she has a darker complexion, her hair is ash-brown and less unruly, and her eyes are aqua.  Opal is actually quite petite and dainty; her skin is a bit more bronze and less umber, her hair is black and perpetually slightly tousled, and her eyes are olive-green.

      Zhu Li...barely registered as a character until Book 4.  IIRC, she's closer to Korra's height but Opal's build, and has fairly long ash-brown hair and gray eyes.  And she's pale-skinned; both Korra and Opal are brown.

      Kuvira is almost exactly Korra's height and build.  But she's got completely different coloring (pale skin, green eyes, black hair), longer hair than Korra had even before she hacked it off, and sharper facial features.  (Also of note: there was wild fan speculation regarding how she was totally probably related to Zaheer somehow, on account of eyebrows alone.)

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    • They're like twins.

      I don't know what point you're making with Zhu Li, what I said was that the narrative must consider her to have a similar body type to Kuvira if she could be a convincing body double when Suyin tried to assassinate her.

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    • She's close enough to the same overall size to flummox seismic sense.  (Or at least flummox Suyin's; I doubt the trick would have worked on her mom.)

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    • I did not think that such a similar body type would result in a inability for Toph to use her seismic sense. But then again, I might be wrong, since it's been a while since I watched Book 4.

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    • Toph is never put in a situation where she has to distinguish between 2 similarly-built people, so there's no telling how that would work out.

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    • AvatarAero wrote:
      I did not think that such a similar body type would result in a inability for Toph to use her seismic sense. But then again, I might be wrong, since it's been a while since I watched Book 4.

      I didn't say that she wouldn't be able to use it; I said that I'd wager that her skill at it is refined enough (via long practice) that she'd be less readily flummoxed than Suyin.

      Neo Bahamut wrote: Toph is never put in a situation where she has to distinguish between 2 similarly-built people, so there's no telling how that would work out.

      All that it would take would be the ability to determine height (or rather, length, as we're dealing with a prone, ostensibly sleeping figure) and weight (Zhu Li is slimmer than Kuvira, and would thus be lighter).

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    • I completely forgot it was Suyin who messed up her seismic sense and not Toph. I completely apologize; my argument was unfounded.

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    • I want to add a new addition: I dislike Book 4 Korra. I'm not saying I'm  not sympathetic to her PTSD but I dislike the way she basicly changed into a more Aang-like personality and kept acting like the "Old" her  was so terrible. Korra had flaws, sure, but she was a genuinely good person and got a lot more flak than she probably deserved. Watching fans consider this "Positive" character development annoys me almost as much as watching fans rip into Aang for not wanting to kill Ozai. The way she sympathized with Kuvira was outright ridiculous! I also just don't like her hair.

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    • You say that you're not unsympathetic to what she went through; but yet, it seems incomprehensible to you that she wouldn't still be an impetuous teenager when she's a twentysomething trauma survivor.  That's...kinda self-contradictory. 

      And while she has indeed always been an essentially good person?  She was painfully naïve and had shit for judgment (although, in her defense, the narrative wasn't really letting her judgment be any good) at seventeen.  Even if we discount her trauma (which, for the record, we shouldn't), those not only really aren't viable for someone to whom people are inevitably going to be looking for guidance, but are flaws that people tend to grow out of.  Whether or not it was inherently positive, it was realistic character development.  (And I say this as someone who was bugged by her saying that she needed to suffer to learn compassion; she could have just said that she'd found meaning in it.)

      And how, exactly, was it "ridiculous" for her to talk down a beaten foe by pointing out that they do have things in common?

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      I want to add a new addition: I dislike Book 4 Korra. I'm not saying I'm  not sympathetic to her PTSD but I dislike the way she basicly changed into a more Aang-like personality and kept acting like the "Old" her  was so terrible. Korra had flaws, sure, but she was a genuinely good person and got a lot more flak than she probably deserved. Watching fans consider this "Positive" character development annoys me almost as much as watching fans rip into Aang for not wanting to kill Ozai. The way she sympathized with Kuvira was outright ridiculous! I also just don't like her hair.

      She tried to make Kuvira see the light of day, and hopefully realize that they are similar and that Kuvira can work for a positive reason, but let sovereignties remain sovereignties. Sure, it never works, but it was worth a try. 

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: I want to add a new addition: I dislike Book 4 Korra. I'm not saying I'm  not sympathetic to her PTSD but I dislike the way she basicly changed into a more Aang-like personality and kept acting like the "Old" her  was so terrible. Korra had flaws, sure, but she was a genuinely good person and got a lot more flak than she probably deserved. Watching fans consider this "Positive" character development annoys me almost as much as watching fans rip into Aang for not wanting to kill Ozai. The way she sympathized with Kuvira was outright ridiculous! I also just don't like her hair.

      People with PTSD try to cope with it in different ways. Part of the reason for her change is that she didn't think everything thoroughly.

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    • Of course, cranky Toph did help a lot, but I guess it's inevitable when you live in the swamp. 

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    • Not just any swamp, but a spiritually-enhanced swamp!

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      Not just any swamp, but a spiritually-enhanced swamp!

      That Toph knows shit about! Even though she wasn't with the Gaang when they crash land in the swamp.

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    • And yet she did what the lead Swampbender did: Achieve enlightenment.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      And yet she did what the lead Swampbender did: Achieve enlightenment.

      Kind of like a monk, staying alone for decades and finding yourself. I've heard about Buddhist monks who've have tried to follow in Buddha's steps.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      I want to add a new addition: I dislike Book 4 Korra. I'm not saying I'm  not sympathetic to her PTSD but I dislike the way she basicly changed into a more Aang-like personality and kept acting like the "Old" her  was so terrible. Korra had flaws, sure, but she was a genuinely good person and got a lot more flak than she probably deserved. Watching fans consider this "Positive" character development annoys me almost as much as watching fans rip into Aang for not wanting to kill Ozai. The way she sympathized with Kuvira was outright ridiculous! I also just don't like her hair.

      I actually liked that they spent some time on Korra by herself. This low point Korra was so much better than the depressed Korra at the end of book 1. On the other hand, much of her in book 4 was pretty forced or otherwise not terribly effective. The Kuvira scenes were a good example of that.

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    • Most gave Toph a hard time on account of her blindness every time they forgot about it. That was funny and irritating.

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    • Katara is possibly my favorite character from avatar, I don't know why people don't like her (it is either her or zuko) I did not like bolin that much I did not hate him but I don't understand why everyone likes him do much. hated him in season 2 because he had nothing to do with the main plot. I hated korra in season one.

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    • I (don't kill me plz) actually like Wu. I didn't find him that annoying and I like his development during the series.

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    • I actually like Jinora across all books. I think she's funny in Book 1, gets some good development in 2 and 3, and she's definitely the least annoying and most useful of the airbending kids in Book 4. Winner by default maybe, but still. Heck, when held against Wu or Meelo in Book 4, she was great. Sure, she could have done with a little bit more sass, but I think what we got was pretty good.

      Also, I really want to like Su. I loved her in Book 3, and I don't think a lot of people will disagree with me on that. Just a no-nonsense type of character who can kick your ass if you cross her the wrong way. Anne Heche's voicework has a lot to do with that, but hey, thi is good casting if I've ever heard it. But even I have to admit that she went downhill in Book 4, even if she did get one of the best fight scenes across both series. Why didn't she want to march on Ba Sing Se? Because it would cause war, but Kuvira then does exactly that, and is hugely succesful. That does bother me, and it's definitley a mark against her, but dammit, I still like her.

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    • I like Jinora too! :)

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    • We should've had more scenes with Gyatso from Aang's past (or even Roku's past). He was an interesting monk.

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    • Korra - I loved her from the beginning, i like strong woman, one of the best characters.

      Kuvira - Strong leader, i like her a lot and she did the right thing. People can deny it, but you cant unite a country only with love and kisses, also Wu was a puppet of Republica. If we refer to our own history, every country was build on corpses of innocent people.

      Actually i like most characters in ATLA and TLOK.

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    • I liked this fandom a lot better when it wasn't full of people going, "Actually, the Nazi allegory was the hero the whole time!" Also:

      also Wu was a puppet of Republica.

      So? According to your own logic, it doesn't matter if a country uses underhanded methods to consolidate power. Nor, apparently, does it count against your leadership strength if you lose the only war you ever fought.

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    • Nothing nazi here, you leftists see nazis everywhere these days.

      I only supported Kuviras ambition to unite the Earth Kingdom and since Wu was a weak leader and the Republic would control the Kingdom, she had the right to overthrow him.

      I dont excuse her reeducation camps.

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    • That's quite the back pedal from "she did the right thing...every country was built on the corpses of innocent people." Protip, the concentration camps were an essential part of how she achieved that. You're basically saying, "Kuvira is a good leader, as long as you don't count the bad stuff, even if it's inseparable from the rest."

      I swear, you could make a drinking game or a Bingo card out of the reductive pro-Kuvira arguments. Such as the denial of obvious parallels or the absurdity of ascribing pure & virtuous motives to the ruthless autocrat, but spinning the United Republic into this shadow government that was going to oppress the Earth Kingdom based only on the line "we'll be sending advisors to help with day to day affairs." To say nothing of the absurd non sequitur that the monarchy is bad, therefore anything that replaces it is good.

      And by the way, people brushed off warnings about the original Nazis too. The reason "we leftists see Nazis everywhere these days" may have something to do with the movement this guy started & the prominence it's gained.

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    • Dragonbrood wrote:
      Korra - I loved her from the beginning, i like strong woman, one of the best characters.

      Kuvira - Strong leader, i like her a lot and she did the right thing. People can deny it, but you cant unite a country only with love and kisses, also Wu was a puppet of Republica. If we refer to our own history, every country was build on corpses of innocent people.

      Actually i like most characters in ATLA and TLOK.

      The problem with Kuvira is that the writers didn't really balance her actions. There where far too many negative actions compared to positive ones portrayed in the show. You can take the fact that the spirit weapon she used was clearly depicted as "evil" (essentially Vaatu in nature) from it's sound effect, the look, and the result of the third portal.

      Oh, and that whole water tribe/fire nation camp thing.

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    • @Neo Bahamut

      So the prisoncamps are now concentrationcamps...also the prisoncamps were not the reason why she won, she had a large army, some states surrendered peaceful because of this and some wanted to be reunited.

      The United Republic would have controlled Wu, and wanted to replace the monarchy which is silly since their faulty democracy isnt any better. They had a good system before, the Council, that was more democracy.

      Well its kind of amusing, how rightwing partys and this guy you mentioned (never heard of him, but im not american so...) are feared these days, they are just the product of false politics of leftists/liberals, instead of understanding the problems of people who vote for these partys, you insult them, in the end you deserved it if they rise to power. People want strong leaders and not some weaklings, which dont care for their people. Also this is the false thread to discuss these things.

      @Kubernes

      Even if she did more negative things, comparing her to hitler like some people do is just stupid. Her war reminded me more of the unification of China or Mao Zedongs rise to power.

      The spirit weapon can be depicted as evil, but its just a weapon in the end.

      Even if their prisoncamps where a bit extreme, she was conquering the Earth Kingdom, what should she do with people who could start a revolt?

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    • So the prisoncamps are now concentrationcamps...

      They ALWAYS were.

      noun 1. a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc.

      also the prisoncamps were not the reason why she won,

      That's not what I said, I said "an essential part," something which you appear to recognize, because you defend them as "necessary to prevent revolt" later on.

      instead of understanding the problems of people who vote for these partys, you insult them

      Yes, how dare I insult people following someone who "has repeatedly quoted from Nazi propaganda and denounced Jews,[10][11] and has on several occasions refused to denounce Adolf Hitler[12]," by referring to them as sympathizing with Nazis? Truly, I am history's greatest monster.

      Also this is the false thread to discuss these things.

      Then maybe keep your ignorant opinions about my politics to yourself next time.

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    • 1. Well i find they are in normal Prisoncamps. Concentrationcamps are for me the ones where the Nazis killed the jews.

      2. I dont meant you especially, with you i meant the leftists in general and everything which goes against leftist propaganda is Nazi nowadays. They almost do the same things the Nazis did and yes insulting them only for following one ideology while the leftists glorify their own makes them not better and will only cause more problems but mankind will never learn, thats the interesting thing i enjoy about politics. Also if we follow your logic many more nations are with Nazis in charge, because the definition of "Nazi" is so retarded nowadays because its used against everything which is opposing leftists, also thats why nobody cares anymore if they are called a Nazi.

      3. Sure my opinion is ignorant...if thats the case, youre not better. You can go on an feel morally superior, but you are not.

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    • Then go argue with the dictionary, it's a Hell of a lot more likely to value about your opinions than I am.

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    • If youre not ready for discussion, you shouldnt post at all. When i see your posts above i should have known its impossible to argue with someone like you. I could have avoid this pointless waste of time.

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    • Great advice. If someone's going to ignore what I said to go on some rehearsed rant, or try to argue with a dictionary because it says something they don't want to hear, I don't think they should post either.

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    • Dragonbrood wrote: I dont meant you especially, with you i meant the leftists in general and everything which goes against leftist propaganda is Nazi nowadays. They almost do the same things the Nazis did and yes insulting them only for following one ideology while the leftists glorify their own makes them not better and will only cause more problems but mankind will never learn, thats the interesting thing i enjoy about politics. Also if we follow your logic many more nations are with Nazis in charge, because the definition of "Nazi" is so retarded nowadays because its used against everything which is opposing leftists, also thats why nobody cares anymore if they are called a Nazi.

      Conservatives also glorify their ideology and insult liberals for believing in an opposite ideology; neither side is pure.

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      Conservatives also glorify their ideology and insult liberals for believing in an opposite ideology; neither side is pure.

      True, but since liberals/leftists are the cause of most problems nowadays and spread lies or play the nazicard everytime someone opposes them to suppress other opinions , i can understand why people would even vote for a naziparty again.

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    • This really isn't the place to discuss politics, especially not with narrow points of view that blame one side for the undesirable, egocentric, xenophobic, homophobic, and Islamophobic reactions the other side decided to take. So if anyone wishes to continue to debate that, please find another site to do that on.

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    • Avoiding the argumentative thread posted above me, I would like to say I have a strong dislike for Zuko. I dunno, I just don't like his moody, emo attitude that appears all the time. He reminds me a bit of Kylo Ren from Star Wars, or Draco Malfoy from Harry Potter. Rather bratty, and prone to violent temper tantrums that endanger the people around him. I love a good villan sometimes, but for some reason Tom Hiddleson and the like never appeal to me. The same with Toph. Cool character, well put together and etc., just not a personality I never have and never will enjoy. And that everybody else seems to, for some reason.

      But talking of favorites, I would have to say Aang. He's a cute kid, and I like the innocent boyish personality that the show gave him. Despite all the pressure  put on him at times, and the loops he is forced to jump through, Aang still manages a sunny smile. I don't see anything much wrong with him, except for the fact that he can be a bit bullheaded, naive, and the like. Alright, that's a lot of flaws, but I love him for it.

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    • Quillpen wrote:
      Avoiding the argumentative thread posted above me, I would like to say I have a strong dislike for Zuko. I dunno, I just don't like his moody, emo attitude that appears all the time.[...] Rather bratty, and prone to violent temper tantrums that endanger the people around him. I love a good villan sometimes, but for some reason Tom Hiddleson and the like never appeal to me. The same with Toph. Cool character, well put together and etc., just not a personality I never have and never will enjoy. And that everybody else seems to, for some reason [...]

      Wow, I thought was the only one who dislikes those two. Well, maybe 'dislike' is a bit exaggerated, but I'm pretty much indifferent towards them. It's relieving to know that I'm not the only one who thinks so after all, and it appears that we share the same opinion.

      However, I do symphasize with them (sometimes) because, like them or not, they are strong characters with a particular past and background and you feel like you should take them as an example and admire them for their strength etc., which I do. But as you said, not really my 'type', so there's that. Even so if you consider that Zuko was originally not planned to exist, with Azula instead being an only child and a boy named Azule, and Toph being a boy called Sud who is not disabled.

      So, yeah, strong, well-written characters, no doubt on that. Just not people I'm not interested in due to the reasons you pointed out.

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    • I'm so glad someone besides me doesn't get the immense love for Toph. Some fans have even made it sound like she is the Avatarverse Chuck Norris.

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    • Kind of would be, if Chuck Norris wasn't lame.

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    • Like; I've always liked Yangchen a lot, and after the Rift, I think she may be my favourite Avatar after Wan. Old Zuko-I found him both wise and funny, and liked his advice to Korra. Piandao-I think, after Iroh, he was have been the best teacher out of the original White Lotus, and he beat a hundred soldiers at once! Tarrlok-I really liked his subtle fall into desperation, and was shell shocked at his final actions. Like less than usual:I still like her, but I've always thought Toph isn't quite as great, either as a character or bender, as most of the fandom do. Indifferent:Azula. Ursa really wasn't the only factor leading to her downfall-She was born suited for Sozin's style of firebending. I'm not saying she can't change, but people afford her too much mercy, in my opinion.

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    • Everyone is writing why they like Korra. I don't like Korra

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    • She was supposed to carry Aang's legacy. I mean she is his reincarnation! Also she is gay.

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    • Think of the manchildren!

      Also, can somebody explain what the Hell this thing is? I found it looking for an insulting reaction image. It apparently had an equally insane sequel.

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    • Catsrthebest wrote:
      She was supposed to carry Aang's legacy. I mean she is his reincarnation! Also she is gay.

      She wasn't supposed to "carry on Aang's legacy!" Honestly, I don't care too much for Korra -I thought her story to be too fast paced in book 1, and too stretched out in Books 3 and 4. I would have preferred if the creators had kept their initial idea of just having LoK as one Book/season. 


      But Korra was supposed to keep the Nations and Republic City safe, not carry on Aang's legacy. Yes, she was supposed to keep the AVATAR legacy, but in doing so she had to create her own legacy.

      Reincarnation doesn't mean anything- Korra is still her own. Korra is bisexual, yes, but I don't know how this affects her personality or anything. So what if she likes girls? How does it really affect you? I'm not trying to "fight" you over your opinion. Im just trying to make sense out of it... And this is my way of doing so- you have no obligation to reply.

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    • I'm not trying to "fight" you over your opinion.

      That's good, shitposting is my job.

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    • I also like to defend the Noatak and Tarrlok reveal thing, and think it mostly worked.

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    • My problem is there was no setup to bloodbending having the power to permanently remove bending, or for that matter to Tarrlok having a brother. We just got this huge infodump at the end that was supposed to justify everything. And even then, the mechanics aren't very clear.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      I'm not trying to "fight" you over your opinion.

      That's good, shitposting is my job.

      Well, it ain't mine.

      You've also convinced me a bit on Kuvira;like Azula, if she really is going to be redeemed, it should be after a bit of suffering and penance first (Although I actually hate Azula more).

      And yeah, Mako is fine; but he is no Zuko. If anything, he reminds me a bit more of what a young Pakku was like.

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    • I think Mako gets too much stick. He is willing to do anything to save his family/friends and is one of the most powerful firebenders in the world. Some people believe he cheated on Korra/Asami but if you actually look there are no malicious intentions. He's just confused and afraid to disappoint.

      I actually don't dislike Zaheer as much as other people. He is very wise and spiritually enlightened as well as being powerful. He was not dehumanised like the other villains and actually helped Korra in the end. 

      Toph and Zuko are also amazing characters.

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    • I mean, I like Mako, he was fine and I did feel emotions about him, just not to the same extent as others,y'know? Same for Toph. Although, perhaps I would feel better if we had seen him in that relationship with the Fire Princess.

      'One of the most powerful firebenders in the world'. No. Probably in just lightning, yes, but in regular fire, no.

      I agree about the love triangle.

      I too love Zaheer, but I think that's a pretty popular one.

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    • The argument against Mako isn't that he's some kind of evil sadist, it's that he really screwed up with Korra & Asami--this is true regardless of intent, that said I don't think you can really spin "couldn't choose between 2 girls" to be entirely selfless--that he can be a real jerk, that the writers will often try to make him look good at the expense of other characters, & he's often just kind of boring.

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    • Pro time wrote:
      I actually don't dislike Zaheer as much as other people. He is very wise and spiritually enlightened as well as being powerful. He was not dehumanised like the other villains and actually helped Korra in the end.

      I don't necessarily disagree with parts of that—and am probably the supreme P'heermonger of the Series of Tubes—but I still both want to smack the dude into the next franchise over, and consider him (however ironically, in the face of his being both the ringleader and the first antagonistic airbender in the franchise) the least evocative of the Red Lotus.  Also, I think his much-vaunted wisdom is overrated—as evidenced by his being a straw-anarchist with a missing-steps plan—and just generally resent the bastard for surviving.

      Mako improved after Korra was done with him romantically; I'll give him that.  But he's not that sympathetic; he's not that interesting; and the fact that the narrative was—at one point—bound and determined to shove him and Korra at each other despite them bringing out each other's nasty sides and generally being incompatible didn't exactly help endear him, either.

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    • You've also convinced me a bit on Kuvira;like Azula, if she really is going to be redeemed, it should be after a bit of suffering and penance first (Although I actually hate Azula more).

      Came looking for this because I remembered someone saying it & had the feeling I forgot to address it. Honestly, I don't really really know what your opinion on Kuvira is, so I'm not sure how I've affected it. Though, given it's me, I can't imagine it would change it to be more positive.

      Also, while I'm here, for the record my comment on Mako should not be construed as representative of my opinion on him. As I said, it is the general argument against him, & I have varying levels of agreement on the points.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      You've also convinced me a bit on Kuvira;like Azula, if she really is going to be redeemed, it should be after a bit of suffering and penance first (Although I actually hate Azula more).

      Came looking for this because I remembered someone saying it & had the feeling I forgot to address it. Honestly, I don't really really know what your opinion on Kuvira is, so I'm not sure how I've affected it. Though, given it's me, I can't imagine it would change it to be more positive.

      Also, while I'm here, for the record my comment on Mako should not be construed as representative of my opinion on him. As I said, it is the general argument against him, & I have varying levels of agreement on the points.

      It was fairly sympathetic before, and to a lesser extent it still is now-but yeah, Zuko committed significantly lesser crimes (he never killed anyone, certainly not casually) and he still had to suffer a great deal-which Kuvira needs to too, to be fair.

      What did you think on my Lord Zuko/Yangchen/Tarrlok/Piandao thing?

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    • I don't really disagree with any of it. Well, Yangchen isn't my favorite Avatar, but she's likable enough. For Piandao being the 2nd best teacher, I neither agree nor disagree. I'm not sure if I'd give that spot to him or Bumi or both. Pakku I'm exempting, because we don't really see his methods, & I think I'm gonna have to mark Jeong Jeong down, because while he knows his stuff, he's absolutely terrible at reading his students. I think he should have seen that Aang needed a controlled environment where he could learn from his own mistakes, which basically every one of his other teachers gave him.

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    • Jeong-jeon was another of my least favorites.

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    • I like Jeong Jeong as a character, but not as a person.

      I like Ursa, more or less, and really think she gets too much flak. And the mayor of Chin village deserves to be thrown into boiling oil himself.

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    • Korra2000 wrote:
      Well, I'd like to voice my personal opinion as well.


      Characters I like, but are hated from seemingly everyone else:

      1. Mako: Honestly, I didn't like him at the beginning because of his character and because of all the love triangles, but eventually, I came to the conclusion that not everything is his fault like everyone (including me) tends to say. It was obvious that he was confused and regretted his own action. Heck, he only has a hard time. I think we should give him a chance. I am sure, he wouldn't be the person who he is now if his parents didn't die. His past with the hard and wrong guys formed him and he's just trying to set everything right. I mean, the phrase from Viper "You bustle or you get bustled" is similar to "You eat or you get eaten". And I think that he is a great contrast to his brother; although complete opposites, they act brotherly together.

      2. Korra: Of course the Avatar. When the series started, everyone seemed not very fond of her. The fans, some producers of Avatar and Nickelodeon. And why? Because "ugh, it's a girl!", "it is unusual for such a series to have a heroine instead of a male protagonist", "look! She must be gay or why is she behaving like a guy and has so many muscles?", "Nah, don't like her. Aang was better and didn't get unconscious all the time.", "Korra is the worst Avatar ever! Always cries and can't beat someone alone but only with the help of her friends." or "Nooo, what’s THIS?! I am very disappointed. I hate her and the new "Team Avatar". The old gaang was better! Where's Toph? With her, we don't need a new Team Avatar and instead, the villain is beaten within ten seconds!"

      This really annoys me every time I read something like this. Even now, people don't understand and are complaining. Please, just because TLOK is a sequel of TLA it doesn't mean it is the same series! Stop with comparing those two because it will lead you to nothing. What I'd really like to know would be why exactly you all think/thought this way? Did you dislike her character, her look or was it an excuse because you miss the old gaang and let out your anger to this series and its characters? Now that the series has found its end, some should have understood why everything was treated the way it was. Throughout the seasons, one could see Korra struggle - and just not her. And finally, she became the Avatar everyone wanted to see. You just have to be more patient.

      3. Bolin: Well, to me it seems like the most just view him as "comic relief." Again, I stumbled about lots of comparisons between him and Sokka. Same thing like above: stop with comparing two different things and try to understand what you see. Recently, I posted a comment about Bolin’s development many think of as "non-existent". I don't know if you say so because you hate the character and don't care about him or because you don't see more than a comic relief, but he has a development and important role. Just view again the series.

      4. Meelo&Ikki: Surprise. Bet no one has seen this coming. Truth to be told, I don't read much opinions of these two. Something I dislike. The two deserve more attention since they’re also important. Idk if Jinora has put them into her shadow since Book 2 or if people really hate them. Ofc there are some who like them, but I got to read more hate than liking. I don't know; the opinions really seem to change every time or season. (Season 1:"Wow, haha. Meelo the fartbender, go!"/Season 4:"Man, this kid should stop with this nonsense. It isn't funny yet only disgusting.", "Ha! He is so a leader. Great, let us attack a giant robot with balloons! He is the worst "leader" of all time." Season 1&2:"This girl has to have some illness or she's just unnormal. She should stop talking. Seriously, someone should tape her mouth! I can't stand her anymore. She is so annoying and only wants to be important."/Season 3&4:"Hey, wait. Where's Ikki? What did they to her? Meelo and Jinora steal her show!", "Poor girl. They should respect more.")

      The two have different personalities and only because everyone of their family is "more special" than them doesn't mean they’re useless puppets. They also got their development and one could see it.


      Characters everyone favors, but not me:


      Well, I'm sure I'd get a lot of hate now, but just ignore everything I wrote.

      1. Toph&Zuko: First of all, sorry. Toph and Zuko are two of the most beloved characters ever. But I am not the kind of person who likes the tough and aggressive guys.

      2. Azula: Indeed, a great and dangerous villain. She has her own charme, but as I said, I don't like characters like her and actually hold to the 'good guys'. Usually, I hate villains. It's standard for me.

      3. Amon/Noatak: As I said, I don't like villains. Honestly, I don't know why people prefer this villain so much. While I can look more into him and his arc, I think there's maybe nothing more.

      Kind of agree.

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    • Let's see, I've defended Bolin, Iroh II, Prince Wu, & Pema, noted how much I hate Kuvira...I had some fun with Unalaq & feel I give him a lot more credit than most people. I think the mistake a lot of people make is judging his actions from the perspective that dark spirits are bad & human welfare is good, but from the things he says, it doesn't seem as if he actually believes that. Dark Spirits are still spirits & thus just as much a part of the spiritual realm as anything--similar to how the hedgehog tells Korra that "vines & spirits are all the same"--so there's no particular reason why Unalaq shouldn't be willing to ally with them just because we consider them to be evil. Hell, I'd say that the Avatar has arguably allied with Dark Spirits before, if we consider a Spirit who transforms into a monster & starts raging to have "gone Dark."

      There's a relatively large contingent of people who argue that Asami is effectively a useless accessory for Korra, which I don't think could be further from the truth.

      Then there's Katara, who has a lot of fans which I think overlook her more annoying, preachy, antagonistic side, as well as a fairly large hate following, which I think oversimplifies her into this she-devil caricature. I'm not sure whether that means she's a character I like that a lot of people dislike or dislike that a lot of people like.

      When it comes to Avatar Classic, I don't think a lot of my opinions differ much from the norm. Kind of the same reason I don't list Mako, I seem to be more-or-less where most people are on him: He's gotten more tolerable, but he's just not all that interesting. Though I have defended his detective arc in Book 2, which I think was some of his finest moments.

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    • Katara is certainly no worse in any of said regards than Mako; and—as ironically pointed out by people defending Mako against all criticism—has a similar excuse.  (Also, she was fourteen when she was pulling that.  Mako was eighteen.) 

      And unlike Mako, she didn't expect anyone to keep proving themselves worthy of her respect over and over again (trust, maybe, but not respect); and what flaws she did have were acknowledged by the narrative (which didn't really happen with Mako until later in the show, to the extent that it did at all).

      This isn't to say that Katara is perfect and flawless.  It's to say that the fanbase got ultra-defensive over any criticism of Mako on the grounds that Katara had gotten more leeway from fans for iffy behavior, even when that explicily wasn't true.

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    • A lot of the parts I object to with Katara are in the comics, where I would say those haven't always been the case.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Okay, I sincerely hope this thread doesn't turn into a flame war but here's mine.

      1. I dislike Sokka and Toph. I don't hate them but sometimes they were so obnoxious,  annoying, and acted like jerks. Toph was like this especially but everyone loves her a lot, like more than any Avatar character ever. It's scary.

      2. I also dislike Mako. He may have just been confused during his horrid love life but he was still a jerk at times to Korra and Bolin. And when he wasn't being a jerk, his nice moments were well, boring. I put him in this category because his fans are pretty numerous, even when hate for him was fresh.

      3. Wan. I can't honestly say I hate or even dislike him really, but I don't understand why his character is such a universally beloved. He didn't do anything {at least IMO} that makes him that much more impressive than Aang or Korra. I always found his story had some holes in it as well. Is it just his "First Avatar" status? 

      4. I really like Katara. I put her down here because a shocking amount of people find her annoying and bash her a lot. I get that she had her not so great moments {her jab at Toph's blindness during "the chase" stands out} and she could be moody but she was still a really cool character.

      5. Aang: same as Katara

      6. Wan Shi Tong: I sympathize with this guy so much. Nobody steals my books! I'm not saying he should kill but Sokka didn't exactly prove him wrong.

      7. Korra: Man, did people ever react negatively to an awesome character sometimes like they did her? Poor girl rocked and she got way too muck flak, just like Katara. 

      That's all I got. No flames please.

      You're mad that Toph wasn't all  "omg rainbows".

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    • I'm just saying, rainbowbending could've been a thing. Think about it.

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    • I mean sometimes Sokka can be annoying, but that's just his personality and personally he's funny XD

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I'm just saying, rainbowbending could've been a thing. Think about it.

      Waterbending fine mist at just the right angle.  Not much practical application, but a fun parlor trick to know.

      Also: why the actual hell would Toph give half a damn about rainbows?  It's not as if she can appreciate them, after all.  (If you want a more appropriate happy-happy-joy-joy association, songbirds would probably fit.)

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    • I'm not even sure where the rainbows entered into the conversation, I'm just shitposting. Also, there are a surprising amount of relevant images about "rainbowbending:"

      http://orig07.deviantart.net/6625/f/2009/161/4/3/rainbowbending_powers_activate_by_munchie57.png

      https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2016/12-17/QpkXNsw1Qk-8.png

      http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp8c9dasUx1qj9falo1_1280.jpg

      ...The shittiest of which was apparently uploaded previously, for some unknowable reason.

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    • I don't like Asami. Like, at all. She's horrible in my eyes. Also, Jinora's annoying and got way too much attention. Then there's Kuvira, who I really dislike and don't understand how so many people love her.

      Characters I like that pretty much no one else does: 1. Ikki and 3/5 of Suyin's family (being Huan, Wei, and Wing). I love Ikki to death, she's so adorable. Huan. Wei, and Wing are just underrated in my opinion. 2. Katara. Why she gets bashed all the time, I'll never know. 3. Suki. Incredibly underrated, and for some reason not included much as part of Team Avatar when she was? 4. Mai. Like Suki, she's pretty underrated and overshadowed by characters like Ty Lee and Azula. 5. JUNE. Seriously, she was badass, I'm surprised she's hardly ever talked about. 6. Izumi and her kids. I really wish they would've included more of the Fire Nation in LOK. 7. Kya...kind of? 8. Bumi II. Poor guy; even after he develops airbending no one cares about him. 9. Mako and Bolin. I like Mako a lot but, like Katara, he's bashed for whatever reason. Bolin is not really hated on, he's just ignored most of the time and I don't like that. 10. Rohan. Can we at least know if he's an airbender? 11. Ming-Hua, P'li, and Ghazan. Zaheer is cool, but when do the other Red Lotus members get any attention? 12. Eska and Desna. I just like these two waterbenders a lot. 13. Noatak and Tarrlok. Really awesome villains, a true shame they were killed off. 14. Jet. You either love him or ya hate him; I personally love him.

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    • Then there's Kuvira, who I really dislike and don't understand how so many people love her.

      People forgot that fascism is bad.

      2. I think you have a skewed view here, there's a very vocal crowd that likes to bash Katara, but for the most part she's well-liked.

      3. But she really wasn't. She's part of the group for a couple of episodes & joins as a permanent member in the latter half of Book 3. Then is back to recurring character status in the comics. I don't think this is a matter of disliking Suki, it's just, would you call Ikki a main member of Korra's team because there are several episodes where the airkids help out?

      5. There's not really much to say. She has cool traits, but not much screentime.

      8. Pretty sure Bumi is also pretty well liked. Kya even more so, but you said "kinda" for her, & I don't know what that means.

      9. That reason would be the first half of the show. Mako is a huge asshole for most of it, & Bolin doesn't do much.

      10. He's not even 4.

      11. Y'know, I think for a lot of these you're mixing up "didn't get much screen time" & "people hate them."

      13. Well, I liked them, but their death scene is really important to the tragedy of it all.

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    • I also don't get where the hell all of the Asami hate comes from.

      No, that's actually not true:  Most of it started at her introduction, on the grounds that she was crotchblocking Makorra.  There was so much absolute conviction that she was an Equalist honeytrap.  And her turning out not to be only served to drive that crowd into even more of a frenzy. 

      Seriously: I remember a brief interval in which there was at least a certain degree of absolute conviction that she was a Red Lotus initiate, and that Mako was going to have to "rescue" Korra from her.

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    • They didn't explain why they don't like Asami & I didn't really want to argue about it.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      They didn't explain why they don't like Asami & I didn't really want to argue about it.

      Of course they didn't.  No one ever really does—it's invariably a "just because" like the above, something with little to no relation to canon, or something petty like 'shipping—to be honest. 

      But I was talking about Asami hate in more of a general sense.  Because, really: when the rationale always ultimately adds up to "she's a vain, shallow priss" or "she got in the way of Makorra, the floozy" or "she just sucks," people should probably consider stepping away from the computer and thinking about their lives and their choices.

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    • Some Makorra fans hated on Asami purely for existing, as stated above.

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    • Certainly, but as far as it relates to that post, I'm staying out of it, at least until the writer actually says something I find inaccurate.

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    • Agreed, Asami is very annoying

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Some Makorra fans hated on Asami purely for existing, as stated above.

      It's one thing for some people to hate a character for petty 'shipping-related reasons.  When the entire reason anyone hates a character always seems to add up to "because she exists," that's where it gets kind of ridiculous.

      It's like Suki hate all over again.  Or, to step outside of the Avatarverse: I understand Orihime from Bleach also got treated similarly by the fanbase; and I've seen a certain percentage of Star Wars fans giving Finn the same sort of guff.

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    • Die For Our Ship seems pretty much ubiquitous, but yeah, a lot of people hated Orihime for that, especially after the finale. There were other nasty memes that contributed as well, such as being labeled "useless" for being a non-combatant.

      Who the Hell is Finn perceived as getting in the way of shipping? It's fucking Kylo Ren, isn't it?

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Who the Hell is Finn perceived as getting in the way of shipping? It's fucking Kylo Ren, isn't it?

      It is indeed fucking Kylo Ren.
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    • Deist Zealot wrote: It is indeed fucking Kylo Ren.

      Gross.

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    • McJediProbie wrote:

      Deist Zealot wrote: It is indeed fucking Kylo Ren.

      Gross.

      https://youtu.be/k70IWHiXl18?t=38

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      McJediProbie wrote:

      Deist Zealot wrote: It is indeed fucking Kylo Ren.

      Gross.

      https://youtu.be/k70IWHiXl18?t=38

      My sentiments exactly.
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    • I'm so upset there's not a gif or isolated clip of that line, it makes a great reaction.

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    • Hated: Iroh, Katara, Sokka, Ursa, Ozai, and Zuko

      Loved: Azula, Ty Lee, Korra, Asami and Zaheer

      Meh: Mako, Tenzin, Aang, Mai, Suki and Toph

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    • Issy Evergreen wrote:
      Avatar Beta wrote:
      Okay, I sincerely hope this thread doesn't turn into a flame war but here's mine.

      1. I dislike Sokka and Toph. I don't hate them but sometimes they were so obnoxious,  annoying, and acted like jerks. Toph was like this especially but everyone loves her a lot, like more than any Avatar character ever. It's scary.

      2. I also dislike Mako. He may have just been confused during his horrid love life but he was still a jerk at times to Korra and Bolin. And when he wasn't being a jerk, his nice moments were well, boring. I put him in this category because his fans are pretty numerous, even when hate for him was fresh.

      3. Wan. I can't honestly say I hate or even dislike him really, but I don't understand why his character is such a universally beloved. He didn't do anything {at least IMO} that makes him that much more impressive than Aang or Korra. I always found his story had some holes in it as well. Is it just his "First Avatar" status? 

      4. I really like Katara. I put her down here because a shocking amount of people find her annoying and bash her a lot. I get that she had her not so great moments {her jab at Toph's blindness during "the chase" stands out} and she could be moody but she was still a really cool character.

      5. Aang: same as Katara

      6. Wan Shi Tong: I sympathize with this guy so much. Nobody steals my books! I'm not saying he should kill but Sokka didn't exactly prove him wrong.

      7. Korra: Man, did people ever react negatively to an awesome character sometimes like they did her? Poor girl rocked and she got way too muck flak, just like Katara. 

      That's all I got. No flames please.

      You're mad that Toph wasn't all  "omg rainbows".

      No. Some of us are mad because Toph seems to be more well-liked than Katara, even though Toph is the meanest and brattiest out of the kids.

      Heck, even Zuko ends up nicer than her.

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    • So, exactly what she said.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      So, exactly what she said.

      Being nice isn't the same as being "OMG rainbows".

      Has the value of being a nice character by default really dropped these days?

      There are genuine reasons why Toph isn't as great a character as everyone says, and why Katara is a better character than her.

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    • Yes. I mean In "the Chase", Toph wWAS acting rude and bratty for reasons that didn't make sense, yet the Gaang are the ones made out to be in the wrong and I think the writers made Katara take a nasty jab at her blindness just to drive home that point.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Yes. I mean In "the Chase", Toph wWAS acting rude and bratty for reasons that didn't make sense, yet the Gaang are the ones made out to be in the wrong and I think the writers made Katara take a nasty jab at her blindness just to drive home that point.

      Yeah, and the lesson that Toph learned from Iroh (of all people) was that she should let her friends help her?

      That's what they're already doing as a team!

      It's Toph who is the one that is not helping out with any team chores, and the lesson she should've learned was that she should be helping others in return.

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