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  • So Kuvira isn't targeting Republic City but the Swamp for her resources. I think Toph, even with all her greatness, can't stop the the great uniter and her army doing the thing.  We might see a Toph vs Kuvira (and maybe her whole army) fight, and I'm afraid to see Toph loosing to that empress ozai. I have a feeling that Kuvira will be able to make another spirit vine 'thingy' and will succeed in getting what she needs.


    What are your thoughts about this episode and speculations on the next?

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      I have the same feeling :( if she does take down Toph - Lin will be the only remaining Bei Fong standing! ... Maybe Korra to the rescue...?

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    • I think Toph will get captured while she tries to defend the swamp and Kuvira will put her where she keeps Suyin and the rest of her family so that will when the whole Beifong family will reunite!

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    • AvatarJPT wrote:
      So Kuvira isn't targeting Republic City but the Swamp for her resources. I think Toph, even with all her greatness, can't stop the the great uniter and her army doing the thing.  We might see a Toph vs Kuvira (and maybe her whole army) fight, and I'm afraid to see Toph loosing to that empress ozai. I have a feeling that Kuvira will be able to make another spirit vine 'thingy' and will succeed in getting what she needs.


      What are your thoughts about this episode and speculations on the next?


      Darn you beat me to making this thread...... lol Toph in this season is NOT DONE that is for sure... she is about to kick some earth empire butt..... Metalbending originator and she can beat Kuvira....... lol but honestly.... her getting captured and being reunited with her family would be great to see. And it seems like next week's episode, Bolin will reunite with the group.... and can I say his lavabending is AWESOME.... granted I would be esctatic if he learned metalbending and even furthered his already improved earthbending but his lavabending is AWESOME.

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    • Remember it was Toph who SINGLE-HANDEDLY took down 8 of the 9 airships during the Sozin's Comet episodes

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    • I see Toph vs Kuvira as Metalbending version of Tenzin vs Zaheer. Toph will school her in higher forms of Earth and Metalbending but the numbers game will play a role and Toph will be captured.

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    • Tenzin lost because Zaheer was just as proficient in Airbending

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    • Boomubbles wrote:
      Tenzin lost because Zaheer was just as proficient in Airbending

      Watch it again. Tenzin was getting the upperhand but Ghazan, Minghua and P'li joined in the fray. One-on-one, he'll defeat Zaheer (before Flight).

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    • Bolinistheman wrote:
      AvatarJPT wrote:
      So Kuvira isn't targeting Republic City but the Swamp for her resources. I think Toph, even with all her greatness, can't stop the the great uniter and her army doing the thing.  We might see a Toph vs Kuvira (and maybe her whole army) fight, and I'm afraid to see Toph loosing to that empress ozai. I have a feeling that Kuvira will be able to make another spirit vine 'thingy' and will succeed in getting what she needs.


      What are your thoughts about this episode and speculations on the next?


      Darn you beat me to making this thread...... lol Toph in this season is NOT DONE that is for sure... she is about to kick some earth empire butt..... Metalbending originator and she can beat Kuvira....... lol but honestly.... her getting captured and being reunited with her family would be great to see. And it seems like next week's episode, Bolin will reunite with the group.... and can I say his lavabending is AWESOME.... granted I would be esctatic if he learned metalbending and even furthered his already improved earthbending but his lavabending is AWESOME.

      hahah sorry. Just got excited after seeing this episode. 

      I love your optimism though. If it's one on one then for sure, Toph will kick Kuvira's ass but I don't think Kuvira will let the same 1v1 just like what she had with Korra. She could fight some but not all cause she isn't in her prime anymore. I don't want her to get captured cause I think she needed to train Korra on using seismic sense for a redemption fight with Kuvira. But if she has to be captured and placed in reeducation camps with Suyin, there I think would be a great time to discuss her past relationships. HAHAHA 

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    • If Toph is captured, Suyin will be furious that she never stepped in to help Zaofu

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    • AvatarJPT wrote:
      Bolinistheman wrote:
      AvatarJPT wrote:
      So Kuvira isn't targeting Republic City but the Swamp for her resources. I think Toph, even with all her greatness, can't stop the the great uniter and her army doing the thing.  We might see a Toph vs Kuvira (and maybe her whole army) fight, and I'm afraid to see Toph loosing to that empress ozai. I have a feeling that Kuvira will be able to make another spirit vine 'thingy' and will succeed in getting what she needs.


      What are your thoughts about this episode and speculations on the next?


      Darn you beat me to making this thread...... lol Toph in this season is NOT DONE that is for sure... she is about to kick some earth empire butt..... Metalbending originator and she can beat Kuvira....... lol but honestly.... her getting captured and being reunited with her family would be great to see. And it seems like next week's episode, Bolin will reunite with the group.... and can I say his lavabending is AWESOME.... granted I would be esctatic if he learned metalbending and even furthered his already improved earthbending but his lavabending is AWESOME.
      hahah sorry. Just got excited after seeing this episode. 

      I love your optimism though. If it's one on one then for sure, Toph will kick Kuvira's ass but I don't think Kuvira will let the same 1v1 just like what she had with Korra. She could fight some but not all cause she isn't in her prime anymore. I don't want her to get captured cause I think she needed to train Korra on using seismic sense for a redemption fight with Kuvira. But if she has to be captured and placed in reeducation camps with Suyin, there I think would be a great time to discuss her past relationships. HAHAHA 


      Haha I totally understand because I am more than excited for the next episode too. And I mean I still feel Toph would beat Kuvira, which I see you agree with me, but I mean it could go both ways if you ask me.... imagine if she did escape and went to republic city and she does reunite with Korra, and finally sees Lin. I could imagine Toph teaching Korra seismic sense, but imagine if BOLIN sees Toph, the guy would start fangirling lol. But yea tbh, if tehre is one person who can make a metalbender out of you its toph, so maybe she could teach bolin that or even seismic sense? Who knows but it would be quite good both ways if she was able to escape or get captured and reunited with Su and her grandkids, and then plot an escape there too. I mean those fire and waterbenders got out... And they could easily go under those metal walls and gates or right through them having the best metalbenders on a team..... I am just TOO excited for next week.

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    • i think toph will overwhelm kuvira and most of her mecha tanks but then be taken down by what she cant see (the airships). she will put up a huge fight but in the end will fall perhaps later she learns it's possible to bend platinum.

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    • maybe she wait's and listens and allows herself to be captured to wait for the right time to strike. imagine kuvira taunting her saying she used to be the greatest earthbender there was but now look at you

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    • I'm not being so optimistic about this. Sure Toph is the greatest earthbender and metalbender but I doubt that she'll be able to handle an army of that magnitude, and there are air forces involved too. She has a high probability to defeat Kuvira in an one-on-one fight but Kuvira will certainly not going to play a fair game as she is crazy about the spirit vine technology thing.

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    • I would love a bolin and toph moment, where they team , backs to each other and do a combo of lava and metal assault on kuvira's army. 

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    • Like with Korra, Kuvira will offer to go 1 on 1 with Toph because she simply can't resist beating the greatest earth bender of all time, who she thinks is easy pickings because she is just an old woman. When Toph kicks her butt, Kuvira shows her true colors and breaks her word by having her army ambush Toph. With Toph taken captive, it is up to Korra to save the world. Toph is sent to a reeducation camp and is reunited with her family, which we learn was Toph's plan all along. While Toph is rescuing the people at the camp, Korra goes on the offensive. Bolin and Varrick make their way to Republic City and tell everyone about the super weapon. Bolin, Mako, Asami and Varrick are sent on a covert mission to destroy the weapon. The air benders with Lin are sent on a mission to rescue the people in the reeducation camps, thus reuniting the entire Be Fong family, except evil Junior. They discover that Toph did not need to be rescued (remember King Bumi), but they join forces to liberate the other camps. Korra meanwhile leads a combined Fire, Water and Republic City Army against Kuvira which initially is victorious. The Covert mission however, does not reach the secret weapon in time and the weapon turns the tide of the war. Zhu Li, however, shows that she was not really a traitor and sabotages the weapon and rescues Varrick and company, showing that she is really smarter than Varrick. Varrick then proclaims his undying love for Zhu Li which is all she ever wanted. With the combined army decimated and Kuvira's Army still intact, only Korra can save the world. Initally, Kuvira's Army appears to be to much for Korra who is only relying on force to beat Kuvira. Korra then goes into the Avatar State and summons a Spirit Army, which shows that Korra has mastered her spiritual side which has always been her weakest point. The Spirit Army does not hurt anyone but uses its spirit power to stop the fighting. Korra then learns once and for all, like Ang, that force is not the way to restore balance. Once this is learned, she is able to reconnect with her past lives with the help of her new spirit powers. With the combined power of all her past lives, Korra is able to regenerate the Banyan Tree, which Kuvira killed when making the super weapon. Korra makes it her life work to unite all of the Kingdoms, not by force, but by peaceful democracy so that there are no longer any Kings. In the end, Toph is shown to be the wisest of them all. Toph tried to explain to Korra that her adversaries had noble goals of equality, spirituality, freedom and unity, but they were using the wrong methods - force. She told Korra that as chief of police she learned that force did nothing to change the world, but being connected to the world is what really changes the world. Toph does not get out unscathed, however, as Korra assigns Toph to teach Prince Wu to become connected with the world, which is a small price to pay for having her Banyan Tree regenerated. Toph begrudgingly agrees because Wu is a distant relative, she feels guilty for not being a great mother, and so she will have someone she can teach to take a punch. She really does miss having someone to toss around.

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    • greatest earth bender of all time

      Sorry don't quite agree with that, Bumi should hold that place, not until we've seen more from Toph

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    • I wonder if the Foggy Swamp hillbillies will join the fight. I really want to see them. 

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    • Most likely cause even Toph references them when she is done beating Korra

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    • Yeah! They know the swamp better than Kuvira.  They can use it to their advantage, picking off her army one by one

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    • Bolindude- wasent there a comic that showed that they where pretty much equal during the 100 years war. im sure that by now she would have passed him after all she did discover metal bending.

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    • Yeah but i have to say that comic was just them testing each other out, friendly fun, but Bumi all raged out would destroy toph

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    • doubt it, just though do you think we'll see any of the swamp benders?

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    • Metal bending can't do much when you have a guy who can fling houses at you with ease and in rapid fire succession

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    • Can't do much earth bending when you got a metal helmet wrapped around your head so you can't see and metal bracelets on your wrists and ankles holding you up in the air. If Toph really wanted to finish you off, she'd just pull all of the iron out of your blood. How long would King Bumi last then?

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    • Toph can not see projectiles coming in the air my friend, TOPH IS GOOD  i am not saying otherwise, but Bumi is a genius in earthbending and tactical analysis, he would fly in the air and bring a house sized boulder on to toph, he has shown the ability to remote earthbend. So i ain't criticising your view, but Bumi would win, toph may have greater versatility but Bumi would still win. If you don't believe me look at their respective fights against Aang, Toph got one shotted when she was trying to seriously hurt a passive Aang, Bumi stalemated Aang who was desperate to save his friends, and whilst Bumi was just testing him. Bumi is the winner, experience is the key, and also Toph's blindness

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    • Granted, Bumi may have barely beat Toph in the original series, but Experienced Toph and and Experienced Bumi, Toph wins hands down. Toph expressly tells Korra she can see better than Korra, and I'll bet better than anyone because she is connected to the world. She would know every move bumi would make before he made it. And again, she could just pull the iron out of his blood and that would be the end of bumi. When Korra asked her if she could pull the metal out of Korra's blood, she said of course I can. The only reason she didn't do it was because she realized Korra had to do it herself as part of her healing which would restore the avatar state.

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    • Seeing better than Korra does not equate to oh i can see air borne attacks, it just meant she was more in tune with the earth, BUmi knows this. pulling the iron out of one's blood is fine but you have to know where the person is in the air and Toph doesn't. I am sorry but Bumi wins

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    • We'll Just have to agree to disagree.

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    • Fair Enough, i just want to say i respect your opinion, sorry if i came out a bit over-zealous

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    • Not overzealous at all, it was fun.

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    • Cool

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    • if Toph lost the fight and Kuvira captured her. we might see a beifong family reunion. Su get to see her mom again and her kids get to see there grandma again. but it won't be the same without Lin.

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    • I think it's pretty much clear at this point that Toph is going to lose against Kuvira. She's not going to sit by watching Kuvira destroy her new "home" and it's impossible for Toph to beat the main final villain of the series. Besides Kuvira is very strong and Toph is old. If she was in her prime I would call it bullshit but now it makes perfect sense for her to lose.

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    • Toph is going to loose only because Kuvira's army is going to get involved. Like King Bumi, Toph has only gotten stronger with age. As I said above, even though Toph looses which is a certainty (only the avatar can bring balance to the world), it will be spinned as part of her plan to be sent to the reeducation camp so she can rescue her family.

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    • Although it's true that Bumi that was very powerful despite being old(I don't really remember, was he older that Toph is right now?) I can't really see Toph beating Kuvira right now, even in a 1 on 1. Both, for plot reasons and let's face it, Toph admited she doesn't move the way she used to. 

      Besides, I doubt Toph would lose on purpose to be sent to the reeducation camp and help her family. She didn't seem to care until now and even if she could, it would be easier to just beat Kuvira and rescue them(if she wanted to that is).

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    • I agree with what others have been saying; If their was a "Toph vs Kuvira" fight, then I think Toph would easily win. But with Kuvira having the numbers, she would probably capture her. Toph however does have the advantage, because she is connected with the spirit vines in the swamp.

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    • I think we'll definitely see a Toph vs. Kuvira fight. I just hope Toph won't get captured

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    • Boomubbles wrote:
      Remember it was Toph who SINGLE-HANDEDLY took down 8 of the 9 airships during the Sozin's Comet episodes

      Seriously? There's a reason we're having this conversation: It's been 70 years.......


      Moreover, Sukka were there. And it's not like she brought them all individually down. She just redirected them and they crashed together. Moreover, they ships aren't nearly a threat compared to Kuvira and her forces.


      Anyways, I'm not sure how things will turn out, but I imagine we'l see some pretty great bending and finally found out the identities of the fathers.

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    • I think a Toph vs Kuvira fight is inevitable. After all, you don't cut down a little old lady's garden without receiving some backlash ;)

      Since she's no longer in her prime, Toph might force Kuvira on the ropes but be unable to deliver a knockout. Toph will be most likely wind up captured, forcing a final showdown between Korra and Kuvira. I just hope that Kuvira manages to show us something we haven't seen before.

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    • When I saw the last scene of this episode, I wasn't like "Oh, no! The swamp's in trouble!" I was like "Ooh, Kuvira, Bataar Jr, and the army are gonna get a beating from Grandma Toph!" I wouldn't worry about her getting captured. Kuvira may have an army there, but Toph is still one of the most, if not the most, powerful earthbender alive. She would still be able to overwhelm them, probably mostly because they're terrified the sight of her. As for the air projectiles, remember that she was able to sense Korra's airbending and waterbending attacks and overwhelm her. It's not like the writers to have Toph go from tossing the Avatar around like a ragdoll to being overwhelmed by Kuvira and her army. Even if she can't kick them out of the Swamp, it can still play out like with Jeong Jeong in "The Deserter". She can still escape and head to Republic City to warn the world about Kuvira's plans. Bolin would be fangirling like crazy and we would get a nice, heartwarming reunion between her and Lin. And I hope that Zuko's still in the city too. A reunion between him and Toph would be too cool.

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    • Am I the only one who thinks Toph can single handedly destroy Kuvira and her army? I mean, come on! You're talking about Toph, the greatest Earthbender who ever lived, the inventor of metalbending, and can seee everything...AND SHE'S BLIND! XD

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    • LacedUp wrote:

      Am I the only one who thinks Toph can single handedly destroy Kuvira and her army? I mean, come on! You're talking about Toph, the greatest Earthbender who ever lived, the inventor of metalbending, and can seee everything...AND SHE'S BLIND! XD

      No, you're not. I just posted a comment stating as such. However, we're still 7 episodes into the season, so Kuvira can't be defeated just yet. So we'll have to wait and see how this fight turns out.

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    • considering she lost in the first episode she starred into (unless you count the swamp) to Aang Im pretty sure there is something in Kuvira's army that could do the same light fighting.

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    • Fireshadowz wrote:
      considering she lost in the first episode she starred into (unless you count the swamp) to Aang Im pretty sure there is something in Kuvira's army that could do the same light fighting.


      Lost to something she couldn't see, and that was when she first met/encountered Aang, not to mention not having 73+ years of experience since then. I definitely don't think that Toph will win, but I very highly doubt that she is going to lose either. Realistically I woul see it turning out the same way that the episode "The Deserter" in AtLA did, Toph probably going on the run, but only after having done a good deal of stomping all over Kuvira and her cronies.

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    • AvatarSeer wrote: Like with Korra, Kuvira will offer to go 1 on 1 with Toph because she simply can't resist beating the greatest earth bender of all time, who she thinks is easy pickings because she is just an old woman. When Toph kicks her butt, Kuvira shows her true colors and breaks her word by having her army ambush Toph. With Toph taken captive, it is up to Korra to save the world. Toph is sent to a reeducation camp and is reunited with her family, which we learn was Toph's plan all along. While Toph is rescuing the people at the camp, Korra goes on the offensive. Bolin and Varrick make their way to Republic City and tell everyone about the super weapon. Bolin, Mako, Asami and Varrick are sent on a covert mission to destroy the weapon. The air benders with Lin are sent on a mission to rescue the people in the reeducation camps, thus reuniting the entire Be Fong family, except evil Junior. They discover that Toph did not need to be rescued (remember King Bumi), but they join forces to liberate the other camps. Korra meanwhile leads a combined Fire, Water and Republic City Army against Kuvira which initially is victorious. The Covert mission however, does not reach the secret weapon in time and the weapon turns the tide of the war. Zhu Li, however, shows that she was not really a traitor and sabotages the weapon and rescues Varrick and company, showing that she is really smarter than Varrick. Varrick then proclaims his undying love for Zhu Li which is all she ever wanted. With the combined army decimated and Kuvira's Army still intact, only Korra can save the world. Initally, Kuvira's Army appears to be to much for Korra who is only relying on force to beat Kuvira. Korra then goes into the Avatar State and summons a Spirit Army, which shows that Korra has mastered her spiritual side which has always been her weakest point. The Spirit Army does not hurt anyone but uses its spirit power to stop the fighting. Korra then learns once and for all, like Ang, that force is not the way to restore balance. Once this is learned, she is able to reconnect with her past lives with the help of her new spirit powers. With the combined power of all her past lives, Korra is able to regenerate the Banyan Tree, which Kuvira killed when making the super weapon. Korra makes it her life work to unite all of the Kingdoms, not by force, but by peaceful democracy so that there are no longer any Kings. In the end, Toph is shown to be the wisest of them all. Toph tried to explain to Korra that her adversaries had noble goals of equality, spirituality, freedom and unity, but they were using the wrong methods - force. She told Korra that as chief of police she learned that force did nothing to change the world, but being connected to the world is what really changes the world. Toph does not get out unscathed, however, as Korra assigns Toph to teach Prince Wu to become connected with the world, which is a small price to pay for having her Banyan Tree regenerated. Toph begrudgingly agrees because Wu is a distant relative, she feels guilty for not being a great mother, and so she will have someone she can teach to take a punch. She really does miss having someone to toss around.

      THAT would be REALLY GREAT. You're a great story writer, you know that?

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    • Cari1994 wrote:

      LacedUp wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Toph can single handedly destroy Kuvira and her army? I mean, come on! You're talking about Toph, the greatest Earthbender who ever lived, the inventor of metalbending, and can seee everything...AND SHE'S BLIND! XD

      No, you're not. I just posted a comment stating as such. However, we're still 7 episodes into the season, so Kuvira can't be defeated just yet. So we'll have to wait and see how this fight turns out.

      I guess Toph could singlehandedly defeat Kuvira's army, but from a narrative standpoint that would leave very little for Korra and company to do. I can't imagine Kuvira retreating, giving up the spirit vines, then never trying to get her hands on them again.

      I think Kuvira will most likely resort to trickery to win this one, but I hope she doesn't. I hope she goes toe-to-toe with Toph and actually wins, thus cementing her status as a combatant to be feared. 

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    • OrderedComa wrote:

      Fireshadowz wrote:
      considering she lost in the first episode she starred into (unless you count the swamp) to Aang Im pretty sure there is something in Kuvira's army that could do the same light fighting.


      Lost to something she couldn't see, and that was when she first met/encountered Aang, not to mention not having 73+ years of experience since then. I definitely don't think that Toph will win, but I very highly doubt that she is going to lose either. Realistically I woul see it turning out the same way that the episode "The Deserter" in AtLA did, Toph probably going on the run, but only after having done a good deal of stomping all over Kuvira and her cronies.

      Yeah, that "Deserter" part is what I said too.

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    • I think sooner or later, Toph will return to action and remember what it felt like to be a hero.  

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    • OMG! OMG!.. i really hope Kuvira and Toph would fight each other.. hahaha.. have you seen the latest episode??!! can't wait!

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    • LacedUp wrote:
      Am I the only one who thinks Toph can single handedly destroy Kuvira and her army? I mean, come on! You're talking about Toph, the greatest Earthbender who ever lived, the inventor of metalbending, and can seee everything...AND SHE'S BLIND! XD

      She is the greatest Earthbender indeed!! 

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    • OrderedComa wrote:
      Fireshadowz wrote:
      considering she lost in the first episode she starred into (unless you count the swamp) to Aang Im pretty sure there is something in Kuvira's army that could do the same light fighting.

      Lost to something she couldn't see, and that was when she first met/encountered Aang, not to mention not having 73+ years of experience since then. I definitely don't think that Toph will win, but I very highly doubt that she is going to lose either. Realistically I woul see it turning out the same way that the episode "The Deserter" in AtLA did, Toph probably going on the run, but only after having done a good deal of stomping all over Kuvira and her cronies.

      That "thing" she vouldn't see was an airbender avatar who could avoid the earth. Kuvira is an earthbender, who rely on forceful techniques, most of which toph created as a result of her being the first metalbender. Kuvira has no chance one on one against toph. My idea of the end confrontation is - Toph appears, beats the army single handed, but the army takes enough of the spirit vines to continue their work anyhow, possibly taking out the tree, and running off. This results in a devastated toph that may join in the final fight against kuvira and her army in an attempt to liberate the earth kingdom.

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    • Amihan wrote:

      LacedUp wrote:
      Am I the only one who thinks Toph can single handedly destroy Kuvira and her army? I mean, come on! You're talking about Toph, the greatest Earthbender who ever lived, the inventor of metalbending, and can seee everything...AND SHE'S BLIND! XD

      She is the greatest Earthbender indeed!! 

      I second that.

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    • I feel like Kuvira is SCREWED...BIG TIME! This is TOPH we're talking about. The greatest earthbender alive. The inventor of metalbending. I feel like this is gonna be like Tenzin vs. Zaheer and we're gonna see Toph completely outclass Kuvira. I'm sure though that the plot will not allow for Toph to be victorious and we'll see Bataar Jr and maybe the rest of the army step in to save Kuvira. They're probably gonna capture Toph and get away with cutting down the banyan grove tree.

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    • If it's a one on one fight Toph will stomp Kuvira plain and simple... Yes Toph is old but she's also very profecient in Earthbending as well as Metalbending. She also could dectect metal in Korra which obviously Lin, Suyin, and Possible Kuvira couldn't detect. Also you would have to block her Seismic Sense in order to beat her. 

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    • Is it just me or is firebending really nerfed in Legend of Korra, it seems so weak. the mechatanks are able to produce bigger fire blasts than normal firebenders, they need to fix this and bring it back to the glory days of firebending, like when azula and zuko were unleashing torrents of fire.

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    • I don't think it's nurfed. Mechatanks are not run by firebenders and they use flamethrowers which creates unnatural torrents of fire. Firebenders may lack the power they once did since firebending is probably not fueled by "anger" anymore. However, we see that lightningbending has become more common place since Iroh's invention of it. So, in the end I don't think it's nurfed, and we can see how far mecha tanks have advanced since Hiroshi created them.

      Also I don't think the flamethrowers will help Kuvira against Toph... At least not initially since she will likely evade attacks before she gets tired. 

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    • I mean that's true but firebending is not as impressive as atla, its probably cause they don't want it to be intimidationg as they are focussing on other elemental villains. But Korra's use of firebedning against Kuvira was extremely poor, and even Mako a potential firebending master, was shown to be completely useless on top of the train in Ep 7. It just doesn't do justice to the amazing firebending in Atla

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    • Bolindude wrote:
      Is it just me or is firebending really nerfed in Legend of Korra, it seems so weak. the mechatanks are able to produce bigger fire blasts than normal firebenders, they need to fix this and bring it back to the glory days of firebending, like when azula and zuko were unleashing torrents of fire.

      I think not. There's simply less emphasis on firebending since the series focuses on earthbending and metalbending more than other skills.

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    • And also Jeong jeong was able to generate the largest amount of flames without sozin comet and his bending was not fuelled by anger, so i think the anger thing is kinda redundant, it helps but it is in no way a limiting factor. Also Jeong Jeong never learnt from the dragons, so it adds wight to the fact that powerful firebending can be achieved without anger or learnign from the dragons. Then again Jeong Jeong is a firebending genius. 

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    • He was an exceptional firebender like Iroh was in his time. It's hard to say why Firebending has declined over the decades but it could be a combination of many different factors. Also the Sun Warriors were probably allowed to come out of hiding during Zuko's reign. So, their teachings are probably used in Korra's time to teach Firebending. 

      Just comes to show that no bending style is more dominant than the other. 

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    • So true

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    • But Zuko's fight against Ghazan was so dissapointing, my heart sank when he got knocked over, i was like we were here to see Zuko unleash his firebending prowess and he gets knocked out, mind you it was cold, but still he should have done better

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    • Zuko is also getting old and probably hasn't used his bending like he use to... So, that could of also accounted for him loosing to Ghazan in their fight. Also we have to remember Zuko was present when they beat Zaheer's gang the first time. Granted it was probably cold out to since it was in the South Pole.  

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    • I'm imagining a team up between Toph and the Foggy Swamp Tribe.

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    • Yeah, Firebending is kinda sucky now in TLOK. In ATLA, we saw huge streams of fire, blue flames (hotter than normal flames), flame walls (concussive damage) and large fireballs. The only good display of firebending in TLOK is when they introduced P'li and her curved combustion bending attack. Aside from that, Firebending got the short end of the stick.

      New Additions in bending arts from TLOK:

      Airbending: A more offensive version of Airbending, Flight, Astral Projection, Suffocation

      Earthbending: More refined Metalbending, Lavabending

      Waterbending: Psychic Waterbending, Bloodbending without the Full Moon, Psychic Bloodbending

      Firebending: Curved combustion bending

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    • Bolindude wrote:
      But Zuko's fight against Ghazan was so dissapointing, my heart sank when he got knocked over, i was like we were here to see Zuko unleash his firebending prowess and he gets knocked out, mind you it was cold, but still he should have done better

      It's been a while since his last fight.  What did you expect?

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    • I expected him to not lose in like two moves, I can understand why he lost, because Ghazan is a master Earthbender in his prime, but Zuko needed a better showing, not 2 hits. it was quite dissapointing to see him so easily beaten.This is after he confidently declared he would stop them in Season 3 Episode 2 to a white lotus sentry. Needed to be a better duel

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    • Secnar wrote:
      Yeah, Firebending is kinda sucky now in TLOK. In ATLA, we saw huge streams of fire, blue flames (hotter than normal flames), flame walls (concussive damage) and large fireballs. The only good display of firebending in TLOK is when they introduced P'li and her curved combustion bending attack. Aside from that, Firebending got the short end of the stick.

      New Additions in bending arts from TLOK:

      Airbending: A more offensive version of Airbending, Flight, Astral Projection, Suffocation

      Earthbending: More refined Metalbending, Lavabending

      Waterbending: Psychic Waterbending, Bloodbending without the Full Moon, Psychic Bloodbending

      Firebending: Curved combustion bending

      Firebending definitely lost it's edge over the decades. But, than again we haven't really seen very impressive firebenders other than P'li. Zuko is just getting older and doesn't have the firebending he once had. Iroh his grandson seemed more impressive with his fight against the bi-planes. Korra just gunned firebending at Kuvira, and she was more impressive in earleir seasons.

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    • Bolindude wrote: I expected him to not lose in like two moves, I can understand why he lost, because Ghazan is a master Earthbender in his prime, but Zuko needed a better showing, not 2 hits. it was quite dissapointing to see him so easily beaten.This is after he confidently declared he would stop them in Season 3 Episode 2 to a white lotus sentry. Needed to be a better duel

      He didn't lose in two hits. You didn't see the whole fight. And in addition to Zuko being old and the climate being cold, it was nighttime, when firebending is limited due to the sun not showing itself. Zuko was not in a good place or time to be at his best.

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    • I was just using 2 hits because it added more emphasis to the fact that it was a lack-lustre fight.

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    • And please don't say i didn't see the whole fight, i don;t talk about things i didn't see. 

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    • Kuvira just pissed off the first metalbender and the most powerful earthebender in the world and Toph is gonna massacre her and the entirre army!

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    • Bolindude wrote: And please don't say i didn't see the whole fight, i don;t talk about things i didn't see. 

      Well, you're talking about something you didn't see right now. If you did, you would have seen the beginning of the fight, which they obviously didn't show. Zuko obviously started fighting Ghazan right when Tonraq started fighting Zaheer, but they didn't show us most of it in order to show us the important stuff, Ming-Hua freeing P'li. Zuko's fight with Ghazan lasted longer than you think and considering that, as well as the factors that inhibited his bending, you should give him credit for lasting as long as he did against Ghazan.

      And BTW, you're getting us off topic here. This is supposed to be about the inevitable fight between Toph and Kuvira, not about how firebending has supposedly gotten mediocre in LOK.

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    • sorry for going off topic, but your inferring something which is not shown, so technically your talking about something you didn;t see, i'm not the one whose talking about it, they showed it in fragmented form, just because they show it later doesn;t mean it happened after tonraq vs zaheer, they just use that technique because they can;t show everybody fighting at once but the battles are simulatneous, don't accuse me of talking about something i didn't see when your the one whose doing it. Once again sorry for taking it off-topic, but u were accusing me of talking about something i didn;t see, the battles occured simulatneously. they just show it at different times. Ghazan had just gotten outside of the truck, im'm pretty sure he wasn;t fighting Zuko from within, as your theory pertains 

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    • Warmachine375 wrote:
      Kuvira just pissed off the first metalbender and the most powerful earthebender in the world and Toph is gonna massacre her and the entirre army!

      I would love to see Toph finally being able to bend platinum. However, the only problem Toph will have is going up against those platinum mecha tanks. But, if she some how can limitly bend platinum it'd be awesome to see, and yes she's still quite powerful as a bender despite her advanced age. Kuvira would definitely loose to her in a 1 vs 1 matchup. But, I have a feeling that the writing will make Toph loose in some form or fashion. Hopefully not as quickly as Suyin and her boys getting taken.  

      Also yea sorry for getting off topic with firebending... Actually when I look back I don't know why we started talking about it. Than again it was late last night and wasn't really paying attention like I should of been. But, yea Zuko's showing of firebending in that fight was definitely limited due to the cold and it being night time. Zuko in that fight was actually good and firebending we have to remember has limited defense. 

      But, enough about the firebending; you should start a topic about it to further your discussion about it. 

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    • I'm willing to bet Toph saw their attack coming (like how she could theortically see everything), and just left.

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    • I think the Foggy Swamp Tribe will also give a fight, with their vines pulling down the airships from the sky. However I don't think Toph will be able to stop Kuvira's army from taking the banyan grove tree and will be forced to leave when Team Avatar comes. Kuvira will then successfully take over the swamp and harvest enough spiritual energy to create her bomb. 

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    • Centaur1um wrote: I'm willing to bet Toph saw their attack coming (like how she could theortically see everything), and just left.

      "Just left"?! Are you kidding me?! ROTFL Did you even see the original series? If you did, then you should know that Toph's not one to back away from a fight.

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    • Toph will give Baatar and Kuvira a whooping. But, in the end the army and the mecha tanks will probably beat her. 

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    • LOL imagine Toph just mocking her unworthy grandson Bataar Jr.

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    • I don't think Toph is going to defend the swamp in any form.

      Don't get angry on m but Toph is not a person that cares for something if it doesn't affect her in anyway. 

      In this case, she ill only fight to protect her turd and peaceful way of life.

      Proof: Toph is well aware of whats happening in the world thanks to the vines... so... Why she didnt help Suyin to protect Zaofu or the metal clan? :0

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    • Hikarol-chan wrote:
      I don't think Toph is going to defend the swamp in any form.

      Don't get angry on m but Toph is not a person that cares for something if it doesn't affect her in anyway. 

      In this case, she ill only fight to protect her turd and peaceful way of life.

      Proof: Toph is well aware of whats happening in the world thanks to the vines... so... Why she didnt help Suyin to protect Zaofu or the metal clan? :0

      It's hard to say why she did not intervene when the Metal Clan was in danger, and why she didn't help save Suyin and her boys after they were captured by Kuvira. But, anyone interfering with her will get their butts kicked. Kuvira is cutting vines that Toph uses for seeing what's going on in the world. Also as others stated she'll likely get captured so we can see the beifong family getting reunited in some form or fashion. 

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    • About the reunion is very possible but Toph getting captured? I doubt that, maybe she will manage to escape and advise Korra and Tenzin what is happening. Like when she was captured and decided to find Aang to help him back then.

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    • I could see that playing out. But, will Toph make a journey back to Republic City? Sure, she's hailed a hero there; but she strikes me as someone who wants to be left alone. She may change over the course of the next few episodes. But, she's in the swamp for a reason, and hasn't been in the public eye for some time. I believe Toph wil amaze the world again with the advent of bending platinum. You never know since harmonic convergence could of enchanced her abilities. That would definitely help her in the fight against Kuvira's army. But, I doubt that will happen since platinum doesn't have much impurities like other metals. 

      To be honest I don't really know how she'll beat those mecha tanks... They seem to be more advanced than the ones used by Amon and his forces in season 1. 

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    • I guess. The Beifong's will all be in one PLATINUM CAGE . And then Korra will Rescue them All. Then, when they got out there will be a great EARTHBENDING FIGHT between Kuvira's Army and The Beifong's ..

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    • I don't think Toph will go down as easily as Suyin and her boys did... To me that would be kind of PIS writing since Toph is the inventor of metalbending as well as a grandmaster in earthbending. Unless Kuvira has the perfect trap set up for Toph she'd stomp them for a little while. 

      That being said, they will have Toph get caught since that opens a door to a reunion with the Beifongs and the only one left is Lin who's still in Republic City. But, than again Toph might not get caught since she's that awesome lol. Either way I think Toph is done with this season just yet, and I have the same feeling about the Fire Nation and Zuko's daughter. 

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    • That may sound crazy but I think Toph is able to platinum bend or something

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    • It would be damn lame if Toph actually beat Kuvira with ease but got beaten by her army. She either loses against Kuvira or against both, it's clear that she will lose, the question is how. Because I can't really see Toph losing against an earthbender and Kuvira didn't bring that many troops. My bet is that she's going to lose due to age, not being able to dodge Kuvira's attacks and claiming "she can't move like she used to" or something like that.

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    • Why does everyone assume that either side has to win or lose? Why can't it just be a draw? Or how about this? Bolin and Varrick get to Republic City before the battle ends and warns everybody about the spirit vine super-weapon project and then Korra realizes that the best place to go to get spirit vines other than Republic City is the Swamp and tells everybody that Toph is living in the Swamp and then a group of people (including Lin, Bolin, Opal, and possibly Zuko) head over there to help Toph drive Kuvira and her army out of the Swamp. That would make for a really cool reunion and Toph wouldn't have to get captured or head to Republic City. Plus, I doubt that Kuvira is gonna kill Toph. If she's as smart as she's been portrayed, she'd know that if word of that got out, it would ruin her publicity, not to mention that it would turn some of the soldiers against her.

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    • I would love to see a cut scene of Kuvira running away from the swamp looking like she was trashed saying "Let's...never...go there...again".

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    • Cari1994 wrote:
      Why does everyone assume that either side has to win or lose? Why can't it just be a draw? Or how about this? Bolin and Varrick get to Republic City before the battle ends and warns everybody about the spirit vine super-weapon project and then Korra realizes that the best place to go to get spirit vines other than Republic City is the Swamp and tells everybody that Toph is living in the Swamp and then a group of people (including Lin, Bolin, Opal, and possibly Zuko) head over there to help Toph drive Kuvira and her army out of the Swamp. That would make for a really cool reunion and Toph wouldn't have to get captured or head to Republic City. Plus, I doubt that Kuvira is gonna kill Toph. If she's as smart as she's been portrayed, she'd know that if word of that got out, it would ruin her publicity, not to mention that it would turn some of the soldiers against her.

      One reason I don't seeing it as a draw is because Kuvira nor Toph will back down unless they are both physically stopped. Also yeah Kuvira isn't stupid and wouldn't even dare come close to killing Toph. Hell maybe even Toph will give her respect for her metalbending or earthbending who knows. But, perhaps she will make a reunion back in Republic Ciy, and eventually abandons the swamp. 

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    • I'd like to recall what Bumi told Aang once:

      "You need to find someone who waits and listens before striking"

      King Bumi didn't fight back when Omashu fall against the Fire Nation. He waited for the right moment to attack. 

      As Toph is a powerfull Neutral Jing master she may choose between letting herself be captured or fight.

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    • Hikarol-chan wrote:
      I'd like to recall what Bumi told Aang once:

      "You need to find someone who waits and listens before striking"

      King Bumi didn't fight back when Omashu fall against the Fire Nation. He waited for the right moment to attack. 

      As Toph is a powerfull Neutral Jing master she may choose between letting herself be captured or fight.

      I think you bring up a very good point. But, I have a feeling the story wll demand Toph being captured in some shape or form by Kuvira and her army. Or she leaves and returns back to Republic City where Korra is. 

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    • I think Kuvira's going to get a few facefulls of Toph before Toph has to high-tail like Jeong-Jeong did.  But the writers could have something up their sleeves.  

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    • Hikarol-chan wrote:
      I'd like to recall what Bumi told Aang once:

      "You need to find someone who waits and listens before striking"

      King Bumi didn't fight back when Omashu fall against the Fire Nation. He waited for the right moment to attack. 

      As Toph is a powerfull Neutral Jing master she may choose between letting herself be captured or fight.

      But what's the point to that. Unless her plan is to save her daughters and doesn't care about the tree or the swamp at all. When Bumi decided to do nothing it was because the fire nation was attacking Omashu and he saw he was in front of a battle he couldn't win. He didn't sacrifice time, effort or the lives of his soldiers for nothing and surrendered in order to wait for the time to strike back. Which was, the day of the eclipse, taking out the fire nation on his own without much effort.

      However Toph has no reason to do that unless, again, it is in order to be locked with her daughters and somehow saves them. If she wants to save the swamp and the tree, neutral jing is useless in this case because the swamp will be destroyed if she does nothing.

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    • When the title includes "Episode 7", do you mean "Reunion" or "Rememberances"?

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    • MerlinTheFairyFox wrote:
      When the title includes "Episode 7", do you mean "Reunion" or "Rememberances"?

      I meant the 'Reunion' since I have posted this immediately after that episode and Nick doesn't release the next episode preview yet. The title is only a speculation since it looked like the last seconds of the Episode 7 was heading for that fight. Now that the next episode's preview is shown with the title 'Remembrances', and Nick's statement of the key players of this week's episode, I don't think will see a fight until Episode 9.

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    • Urano23 wrote: Although it's true that Bumi that was very powerful despite being old(I don't really remember, was he older that Toph is right now?) I can't really see Toph beating Kuvira right now, even in a 1 on 1. Both, for plot reasons and let's face it, Toph admited she doesn't move the way she used to. 

      Besides, I doubt Toph would lose on purpose to be sent to the reeducation camp and help her family. She didn't seem to care until now and even if she could, it would be easier to just beat Kuvira and rescue them(if she wanted to that is).

      Toph is certainly younger than Bumi was. Bumi was a boyhood friend of Ang, so that would make him at least 112 years old (Ang was lost for 100 years remember). Toph is supposedly 86 years old when she meets Korra, still in her prime when compared to Bumi. While Toph says she can't move like she used to, she just wanted Korra to think that she was more powerful than she is now. Just like Bumi, she just wants everyone to think she is a helpless senior citizen, and only shows something different when she has to.

      It wouldn't be easier to beat Kuvira and her entire army, than to be captured so that Toph could rescue her family. Just because it will be revealed that Toph will let herself be captured so that she can rescue her family, that does not mean that she could have beat Kuvira's entire army. What's easier fighting through the army and the guarded reeducation camp defenses to rescue the family, or being taken captive so that you can rescue them from the inside.

      By the way, Toph already knows how to bend platinum, and she will show that she can when she is put in platinum cuffs and bends her family out of platinum jail.

      Also, just because Toph can't beat Kuvira's entire army, does not mean that she can be taken captive by Kuvira's army, unless she wants to be captured. Her earth bending skills are so great that she could escape at any time, just like Bumi, unless someone got a lucky shot and knocked her unconscious, which is unlikely because she can see everything.

      Finally, even if Toph could beat Kuvira and her entire army, Toph would not do it. She knows that the is not her destiny. She knows it is the Avatar's destiny to bring balance to the world, despite anything she may say to the contrary to motivate Korra. Korra needs the challenge of beating Kuvira's army so that she can master her spiritual side and then reconnect with Raava (can't really kill a spirit) and therefore reconnect with her past lives. Toph knows that beating Kuvira will make Korra a complete Avatar (like beating the Fire Lord did for Ang) and allow her to bring equality, unity, spirituality and freedom to the whole world, without force, but through the voice of the people.

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    • S25 wrote:
      I have the same feeling :( if she does take down Toph - Lin will be the only remaining Bei Fong standing! ... Maybe Korra to the rescue...?

      Doesn't Opal count as an Beifong? Shes done more against Kuvira than Lin so far

      At this point however she probably told Lin and is considering taking action. Depends on how bad the spirit vine problem is getting though (see E9 teaser). Lin maybe trying to deal with that first, unless of course Kuvira's negative actions on the Spirit vines are causing it

      Lin and Opal talk

      "I wish Mom was here"

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    • S25
      Thinklogic wrote:
      S25 wrote:
      I have the same feeling :( if she does take down Toph - Lin will be the only remaining Bei Fong standing! ... Maybe Korra to the rescue...?
      Doesn't Opal count as an Beifong? Shes done more against Kuvira than Lin so far

      At this point however she probably told Lin and is considering taking action. Depends on how bad the spirit vine problem is getting though (see E9 teaser). Lin maybe trying to deal with that first, unless of course Kuvira's negative actions on the Spirit vines are causing it

      Lin and Opal talk

      "I wish Mom was here"

      I meant out of toph lin and Su! otherwise i would have counted Bataar Jr too! ;)

      But i do wonder why the vines are behaving like this after three years - your is the best explanation :)

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    • S25 wrote:
      Thinklogic wrote:
      S25 wrote:
      I have the same feeling :( if she does take down Toph - Lin will be the only remaining Bei Fong standing! ... Maybe Korra to the rescue...?
      Doesn't Opal count as an Beifong? Shes done more against Kuvira than Lin so far

      At this point however she probably told Lin and is considering taking action. Depends on how bad the spirit vine problem is getting though (see E9 teaser). Lin maybe trying to deal with that first, unless of course Kuvira's negative actions on the Spirit vines are causing it

      Lin and Opal talk

      "I wish Mom was here"

      I meant out of toph lin and Su! otherwise i would have counted Bataar Jr too! ;)

      Im pretty sure Su + Baatar disowned him at this point

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    • Am I the only one who wants Toph to prove that she is still the Gretest Earth Bender? If she can see the happenings around the world through the use of the vines, then it means that she knows that there are people who can lavabend. There is this small chance that she's gonna study this form of art, and later discovers that she can lavabend. :D

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      S25 wrote:
      I have the same feeling :( if she does take down Toph - Lin will be the only remaining Bei Fong standing! ... Maybe Korra to the rescue...?
      Doesn't Opal count as an Beifong? Shes done more against Kuvira than Lin so far




      While we're on the topic, are Suyin's kids Beifongs? Like, is that their last name? They've never bene called it, but Baatar's last name, if he has one, has never been mentioned

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    • Cari1994 wrote:

      Centaur1um wrote: I'm willing to bet Toph saw their attack coming (like how she could theortically see everything), and just left.

      "Just left"?! Are you kidding me?! ROTFL Did you even see the original series? If you did, then you should know that Toph's not one to back away from a fight.


      Yeah, I doubt an 80-something woman, with years of experience, would take on an army head-on.

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    • As much of a walking tank Toph is, even at her old age, something in my gut tells me that she's going to end up dying by the end of Book 4. I don't know, Kovira seems ruthless and power hungry enough that she go as far as murdering an old woman to keep everything as it is, but it might ALSO be what finally opens her eyes to just how much of a monster she let herself become.

      Here's my prediction: the Beifongs and Bolin engage Kovira and her army in a grand assault, but Kovira manages to grip Lin or Suyin in a metal based confinement. She's about to finish her off, but Toph races towards them to push her daughter out of the way and take the blow meant to kill her.

      With the elder Beifong mortally wounded, the family rushes to her aid while Kovira stands wide-eyed at what she had just inadvertently caused.

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    • Boomubbles wrote:
      Remember it was Toph who SINGLE-HANDEDLY took down 8 of the 9 airships during the Sozin's Comet episodes

      If by Single-handedly you mean Sokka came up with the plan, got rid of most of the crew, told her exactly what to do, and helped her around the flying death traps because she can't see.

      I love Toph but that's just a ridiculous wank statement.

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    • lol Toph would wipe the floor with Kuvira

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