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  • Kuvira was direct with Suyin that she was going to invaded the city-state of Zaofu, yet Baatar Sr didn't bother to mention that they should call at lease the United Forces until Kuvira's army was already within the city limits?! That makes no sense unless Su keep it a secret for some reason.

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    • Kuvira doesn't want to take the city by force. She gave Suyin time to think about signing the treaty and will attack if Suyin refuses. The fact that Zaofu has to join the Earth Kingdom is no secret, How can the United Forces intervene when there is the possibility of a peaceful handover? However, I agree with you on one aspect, but it's not Zaofu's fault of not calling Republic City. Raiko doesn't seem to care or at least it was never shown, which is quite strange. Although everyone was shocked by Kuvira not stepping down, the world leaders didn't react as though Kuvira's reign was illegitimate. Wu just said it was the worst coronation ever, but he didn't have the will to take the Kingdom back nor did anyone else.

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    • -Darjeeling- wrote: Although everyone was shocked by Kuvira not stepping down, the world leaders didn't react as though Kuvira's reign was illegitimate. Wu just said it was the worst coronation ever, but he didn't have the will to take the Kingdom back nor did anyone else.

      Actually, the world leaders did think that Kuvira's reign was illegitimate. That's why they sent Su to try to convince her to step down. And Raiko hopes to solve the problem diplomatically. They just didn't have the authority to react immediately and oppose her openly at the coronation. Remember that there were a bunch of Kuvira's supporters present. Any act of open disapproval would have sparked war.

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    • There's certainly been alot of Tenzin + Raiko moments so far this book and you could say they speak similarly for each other politically. But they, and the rest of the world leaders, just seem to want the situation to resolve itself. There's the diplomatic angle, but who's talk to who? What sort of agreement could they even have? Or is it just an expository type of device which we never see because Kuvira isn't in the mood to negotiate or resolve things diplomatically?

      Going back to Suyin, it does seem like she's letting her emotions drive her decisions so far. She questions to Bataar why they should even bother contacting the URN, when the other world leaders should probably know that Kuvira is actually pooling her army there. Maybe even call the URN and stall Kuvira? Did that even cross her mind?

      Even the preview of Suyin going ninja-style to kidnap Kuvira just feels like she's being desperate without thinking things through.

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    • Kubernes wrote: There's certainly been alot of Tenzin + Raiko moments so far this book and you could say they speak similarly for each other politically. But they, and the rest of the world leaders, just seem to want the situation to resolve itself. There's the diplomatic angle, but who's talk to who? What sort of agreement could they even have? Or is it just an expository type of device which we never see because Kuvira isn't in the mood to negotiate or resolve things diplomatically?

      Going back to Suyin, it does seem like she's letting her emotions drive her decisions so far. She questions to Bataar why they should even bother contacting the URN, when the other world leaders should probably know that Kuvira is actually pooling her army there. Maybe even call the URN and stall Kuvira? Did that even cross her mind?

      Even the preview of Suyin going ninja-style to kidnap Kuvira just feels like she's being desperate without thinking things through.

      Yeah, could Su maybe doing it out of motherly love towards Kuvira? I mean that is Suyin's thing nurturing. I am wondering of Tenzin's relationship with President Raiko and maybe how long have they known each other, could Raiko have served a political office before being elected president of the URN?

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    • Suyin did mention that she was like a daughter to her, but we'll see what she really has in store for Kuvira on Friday. I'm guessing that the working relationship of Tenzin/Raiko developed more closely during the last three years rather than the time when he took office up till the explusion of Korra at the beginning of book 3.

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    • Kubernes wrote: Suyin did mention that she was like a daughter to her, but we'll see what she really has in store for Kuvira on Friday. I'm guessing that the working relationship of Tenzin/Raiko developed more closely during the last three years rather than the time when he took office up till the explusion of Korra at the beginning of book 3.

      Yeah I think you're right about Raiko and Tenzin. Although I am wondering about what was Raiko's political life before he became president.

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    • Most likely we will never truly know. Because becoming president of a nation is no easy task, I suspect that he must have had some position that would have allowed him to have connections (i.e. for money). That could quite a lot of things and, because the URN isn't really explored aside from Republic City, the different possibilities are rather large.

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    • Kubernes wrote: Most likely we will never truly know. Because becoming president of a nation is no easy task, I suspect that he must have had some position that would have allowed him to have connections (i.e. for money). That could quite a lot of things and, because the URN isn't really explored aside from Republic City, the different possibilities are rather large.

      I mean he could have been Mayor of Republic City for all we know.

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    • Jey8000 wrote:
      Kuvira was direct with Suyin that she was going to invaded the city-state of Zaofu, yet Baatar Sr didn't bother to mention that they should call at lease the United Forces until Kuvira's army was already within the city limits?! That makes no sense unless Su keep it a secret for some reason.

      Sending the United Forces to Zaofu means not having them to protect Repubblic City, that's on previous Earth Kingdom territory as well. It would not have been a smart move to dispatch them away only on the basis of Kuvira's statements.

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    • Raiko is still looking for a diplomatic way to solve this problem with Kuvira. Sending the United Forces would cause an instant worldwar and after the 100 Year War with the firenation I guess another worldwar is the last thing they want.

      Look at Russia invading Ukraine, Europe and the United States are trying to force Russia to stop with diplomatic ways because if the US would send their army to Russia it would cause WW III.

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    • @Dogwalker, Republic City is a small part of the United Republic! It would be like if the U.S. would not send a battalion away just to protect New York City. The URN is bigger than its capital and by calling the United Forces it would not be the whole military just a legion with some auxiliary aid.

      @Lavabending, I'm not sure how powerful Kuvira's Army is compare to just the United Forces. But I'm sure the URN could hold it's own.

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    • We are talking about an army that has seen service for the last three years compared to RC's which was decimated several times now.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      We are talking about an army that has seen service for the last three years compared to RC's which was decimated several times now.

      But that was against NWT and dark spirits. I think fighting another army with similar technology (e.g. mecha-tanks) would result in a stalemate, depending on how large the forces are. I guess we can assume that the Earth Empire's army was not all at Zaofu, and we haven't seen all of the URN's armed forces, so we can't really tell who has the numerical advantage (though I would guess the Empire). I suppose it comes down to whether or not the Water Tribes and Fire Nation intervene, or if Kuvire develops the 'spirit nuke' and holds the world to ransom.

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    • Jey8000 wrote:
      @Dogwalker, Republic City is a small part of the United Republic! It would be like if the U.S. would not send a battalion away just to protect New York City.


      And this change in any manner the sense of what I said? No. If the United forces are out to protect Zaofu, they can't protect Republic city, or any other part of the United Republic.


      Jey8000 wrote:
      and by calling the United Forces it would not be the whole military just a legion with some auxiliary aid.


      So just a legion with some auxiliary aid would have been wiped out in case Kuvira decided to really attack Zaofu, and so would have not been able to protect Republic City, or any other part of the United Republic. Nor if Zaofu was really the first target, nor if Kuvira was simply lying and the United Republic was. It doesn't seems a great military strategy to me.

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    • Well unlike any of the other nations, the URN's forces have access to nearly all the bending forms so that helps them a lot in battle. I don't remember the N. Water Tribe ever battling the URN in the show just the Equalist and Unalaq as the Dark Avatar; and I think only when the Dark Avatar was attacking the United Republic did they actually use a substantial amount of units of the United Forces while defending Republic City.

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    • There wasn't really that many soldiers from the NWT in book 2: just a bunker complex that needed dark spirits to assist. They have a navy, but Kuvira doesn't need to engage the URN from the sea.

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    • President Raiko probably didn't want to involve the URN in internal Earth Kingdom affairs unless it was absolutely necessary similar to how he didn't intervene in the Water Tribe Civil War.

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    • Gilgamesh777 wrote: President Raiko probably didn't want to involve the URN in internal Earth Kingdom affairs unless it was absolutely necessary similar to how he didn't intervene in the Water Tribe Civil War.

      Well, didn't he from the beginning supported Kuvira and it wasn't until she didn't give-up control that he decided to stop the URN's support of her unification process? If so I'm sure he gave out money among other aid to help solve an internal former Earth Kingdom matter! Also the fact that they sent Su in order to see if they could get Kuvira to change her mind says a lot about how much the URN cared for Zaofu and/or it's leader at least, add to that the fact that Raiko actually wanted Su to take on the unification process of the former Earth Kingdom in the first place and I think the URN would have sent some form of defense against the illegal Earth Empire's ambition to take over Zaofu.

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    • That's absolutely true that Raiko (and Tenzin to a degree) supported Su and Kuvira at different points.

      I'd have to ask this: how exactly could the URN actually get there and/or would it actually be feasible? I can only see the URN sending troops via the train system (which would have largely been in Kuvira's power in the EK). The URN has airships but those are Police usage.

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    • Kubernes wrote: That's absolutely true that Raiko (and Tenzin to a degree) supported Su and Kuvira at different points.

      I'd have to ask this: how exactly could the URN actually get there and/or would it actually be feasible? I can only see the URN sending troops via the train system (which would have largely been in Kuvira's power in the EK). The URN has airships but those are Police usage.

      I'm sure they have military airships aside from the onces used by the RCPD. Using the train system would mean engaging Earth Imperial forces and that may have procupided a few of Kuvira's forces and of course letting Kuvira know that they were coming, this would have stopped her from even invading at leasest for a time.

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    • Maybe she thought she could handle it herself

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    • QueenCeline wrote: Maybe she thought she could handle it herself

      Unfortunetly that is the most likely answer and now the former Earth Kingdom can no longer be.

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    • That is pretty likely - Su must've thought she could handle Kuvira's Earth Empire all by her lonesome, or at least find a way to prevent her from taking Zaofu. 

      I do think that sneak into the camp to assassinate Kuvira in the dead of night was both predictable and stupid, but that's an unrelated discussion.

      Also, it probably would have taken time for the UFN to mobilize against the EE, assuming they mobilized at all, which would have further jeopardized Zaofu, as there was no guarantee the UFN would be able to reach Zaofu before the EE attacked.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote: That is pretty likely - Su must've thought she could handle Kuvira's Earth Empire all by her lonesome, or at least find a way to prevent her from taking Zaofu. 

      I do think that sneak into the camp to assassinate Kuvira in the dead of night was both predictable and stupid, but that's an unrelated discussion.

      Also, it probably would have taken time for the UFN to mobilize against the EE, assuming they mobilized at all, which would have further jeopardized Zaofu, as there was no guarantee the UFN would be able to reach Zaofu before the EE attacked.

      The thing is as I said earlier, Kuvira had already warn her that she was going to invade; Su and the URN could have made plans incase of any aggretion towards Zaofu. Raiko trusthed her a lot to the point I feel that he would have actually done something unlike with any other event presented to him in the series where he tried to be distant and keep the URN away, I thinm by that point he felt an eventual attack from the ilegitamate Earth Empire towards the United Republic was more than a possible and if he would have shown strenght agaist Kuvira she may have delayed any invasion attepts in my opinion.

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    • I actually find it hard to believe Raiko, Iroh, or any other nation really had contingencies for Kuvira. I say that looking at the reaction of Raiko and other other leaders to Kuvira's seizure of power, the build up period before Kuvira attacks the URN, but also the reaction of the invasion itself.

      It does feel like Suyin might have felt like she had to deal with Kuvira herself, independant of anyone else. Either it was going to be through dialog or through action. The latter ended up being chosen and also fell right into the hands of Kuvira. Maybe that was for the better too because I doubt Suyin would have wanted to see the city destroyed by combat.

      Should the URN, the new air nation, and Suyin have had plans to do something about Kuvira? Absolutely. I bring up the air nation because of the close relationship of Raiko and Tenzin but also because the new nation could continue to serve as it had during the period between books 3 and 4.

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