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  • Wich society has more followers The Order of the White Lotus or The order of the Red Lotus? If the two ever fought again and each side had ALL of their members with them who would have the number advantage.

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    • The roots of that pernicious crimson blossom could very well run deep.  Unfortunately, we have no real way of knowing how deep unless more of them resurface to raise hell.

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    • I think white is most likely significantly larger.

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    • Avatar Page Admins wrote:
      I think white is most likely significantly larger.

      I agree, as the Red Lotus was a splinter group, and while it could grow by itself, it lacks the resources, social position or publication capacity of the White Lotus.

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    • Agreed the white lotus is larger in numbers. However, with all members present for a large scale fight? A good chance that the red lotus could take them. Zaheer, Gazan, Ming Hua and Pli took many many white lotus guards on and beat them handily on multiple occasions. In the LOK era, not sure if the White Lotus has anyone besides their basic guards who could compete with the specialty benders of the RL.

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    • I think the white lotus could provide enough numbers and experts that might be less of a problem.

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    • Jaxusblackrose wrote:
      I think the white lotus could provide enough numbers and experts that might be less of a problem.

      I think the implication was that the White Lotus doesn't seem to have any specialists of the "oh, shit, not that!" variety.

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    • I agree the LoK White Lotus probably wouldn't have specialists, but I'm still confident it could take the Red Lotus simply by overpowering them with numbers (at least if the battle was head on). The white lotus members we see appear at least to be fairly proficient benders. The trick would be getting the Red Lotus onto an open battle field which they probably would never fall for.

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    • Good to see you again my friend. I do not think we see enough of the White Lotus in Korra to say for certain, but that it's likely they are the larger group. Your theory is definitely possible, but I think it would take a ratio of 7 or 8 White Lotus members to every one Red Lotus one.

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    • White is larger; Red is more powerful, devoted, and capable.

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    • The White Lotus is easily larger. The White Lotus had been around for centuries compared to the Red Lotus being created and established, what, maybe a few decades prior to the events of TLoK at most? 

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      White is larger; Red is more powerful, devoted, and capable.

      I don't know about the Red being more powerful, devoted and capable. Their main advantage is one very powerful team and lots of agents scattered seemingly randomly across society - allowing them to utilize hit and run tactics all over the place while the White Lotus would have to mobalize it's scattered focuses, that mostly specialize in defence, just to counter one attack. By time the White Lotus can strike, the Red Lotus has vanished. It's very hard to fight an organisation like the Red Lotus directly, and a highly mobile group - like Team Avatar - would be better at countering such an organisation.

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    • Master Earthbender8 wrote: Good to see you again my friend.

      Ah, it's good to be back :)

      Jaxusblackrose wrote:

      NervousShipper wrote:
      White is larger; Red is more powerful, devoted, and capable.

      Their main advantage is one very powerful team and lots of agents scattered seemingly randomly across society - allowing them to utilize hit and run tactics all over the place while the White Lotus would have to mobalize it's scattered focuses, that mostly specialize in defence, just to counter one attack. By time the White Lotus can strike, the Red Lotus has vanished. It's very hard to fight an organisation like the Red Lotus directly, and a highly mobile group - like Team Avatar - would be better at countering such an organisation.

      Yep, sounds about right. And just in general it seems organizations which mostly focus on defense fail to organize strong offensives when necessary. I don't know how one could accurately compare each organization's devotion though since we don't see much of the White Lotus in Korra. That said, I personally believe the Red Lotus were more dedicated because they had to survive in the shadows (as opposed to presumably being public heroes) and faced a much higher risk of death or imprisonment. Heck, 13 years of wasted life didn't stop Zaheer and his guild from continuing their quest for a second, it was mutually understood they'd risk it all once again for their cause. That's a pretty impressive level of devotion. Now if Iroh and the old masters were still around it might be different but...

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