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    18:41, May 21, 2016

    Since it has been almost five years since TLA was released, and that the movie was so bad for so many reasons, and because there is not much talk of a sequel, I think there should be a remake series: One for B1, 1 for B2, and a two-parter for B3. There should also be some movies for Korra. Who else agrees, and has some ideas for these new films?

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    • I agree!! TLA2 & TLA3 will never happened!! the movie needs a reboot or a remake.

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    • book 1 can be made into one movie due filler, but book 2 and three will need two movies due to the vastness of the plot, if one chooses to make one movie , then the appa getting stolen plot would have to removed if atla would be one movie, and book 3 would also be made into a two movies again due to a vastness of plot. but again that is me. now for the legend of korra book 1, the plot can be expanded and would be easy to adapt into one movie and expand into one plot, the only thinng i would do for the book 1 air movie if any, is to take out the love triangle, that is what got the fans annyoed about season 1 along with it being rushed, so the book 1 movie, the plot would stay the same but can be expanded so it is not so rushed. now for book 2 and 3, i would not know about it.

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    • So much interest in film on this wiki lately! Is it because Korra is ending? I find the idea interesting, although I do think any beginning to a new ATLA trilogy would have to be low budget... since very little money would be made from it. Mexico has some diverse landscape, with a few "movie making tricks", it could look pretty good. The obvious problem would be the bending, unless everyone's ok with it being drawn, a la BBC's old The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe series. Actually, mix that up with some elegant ink paintings...make it look like the viewer is reading the Legend of Aang...

      That could work.

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote:
      book 1 can be made into one movie due filler, but book 2 and three will need two movies due to the vastness of the plot, if one chooses to make one movie , then the appa getting stolen plot would have to removed if atla would be one movie, and book 3 would also be made into a two movies again due to a vastness of plot. but again that is me. now for the legend of korra book 1, the plot can be expanded and would be easy to adapt into one movie and expand into one plot, the only thinng i would do for the book 1 air movie if any, is to take out the love triangle, that is what got the fans annyoed about season 1 along with it being rushed, so the book 1 movie, the plot would stay the same but can be expanded so it is not so rushed. now for book 2 and 3, i would not know about it.

      Siince the Appa plot and the Conspiracy things are basically the plot of Season 2, I think it would make a great plot for the film. As for Book 1, DERP. And as for Book Three, I think it should be a Two-parter, like SO MANY other film series. 

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    • TLA2 & TLA3 is unknown for now. we don't know when the sequels are coming out.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:
      TLA2 & TLA3 is unknown for now. we don't know when the sequels are coming out.

      They shouldn't come out. Not until TLA gets remade, and has a ifferent and better director, script, and cast.

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    • No just just take the episodes titled beginnings and make it into a 40 minute movie no changes just in theaters not on tv.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:

      Teddybearlover wrote:
      TLA2 & TLA3 is unknown for now. we don't know when the sequels are coming out.

      They shouldn't come out. Not until TLA gets remade, and has a ifferent and better director, script, and cast.

      true. it needs a better director, script, and cast. if they made TLA2 & TLA3 both movies would probably be out on dvd by now.

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      No just just take the episodes titled beginnings and make it into a 40 minute movie no changes just in theaters not on tv.

      That's not even the length of 2 ATLA episodes. A regular movie like this should at least be over 2 hrs long IMO. TLA was 1 hr and 43 min, and it left so much out.

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    • well we can asume that the tla sequals are either on hold or not greelit, again we had not herd anything from paramount so we cant be sure the fate of the movies at this point,i think that if paramount does deside to redo avatar again, they would either do a korra movie or reboot the last airbender under a different director and cast since the majority of the cast has already outgrown the roles, a sequal is more then likley impossible since that the actors who played aang and katara would have to be recasted as the current ones have already outgrown their  roles, i have herd other  websites roumoring that the sequal got cancled due to buget concerns, but we have not goten an offical announcement from paramount. so untill then it might as well be on hold or to be announced kind of thing, i dont think that a sequal will be made at least not right now, again we might as well be left in the dark about the sequal. i think manny have given up hope for a sequal and i would think that they may do korra insted or completly reboot the last airbender with new casting and directors. but then again i dont think that they are thinking about avatar right now, i meane by the way the legend of korra was being treated in book 3 and moving to digital, i dont think that a movie for korra is possible at this point.

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    • Yeah, well, what the heck, I meant that what would we want to add, cut, and change in the film(s).

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    • Hmm... all this because of an old rumor that if TLA sequels are cancelled, a reboot is a sure thing. Sad really. Icon_yawn.gif 
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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:

      Thebridge14 wrote:
      No just just take the episodes titled beginnings and make it into a 40 minute movie no changes just in theaters not on tv.

      You're joking, right?! That's not even the length of 2 ATLA episodes! A regular movie like this should at least be over 2 hrs long! I mean, TLA was 1 hr and 43 min, and it left so much out!

      No I'm not these episodes alone are 30 times better than anything shamalyan can make, plus just make it a short film there's nothing about length that makes a movie good or bad it's the story telling and wans 40 minute story was captivating despite being short

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    • they should make TLA sequels then reboot the film series. like they did with the spider-man movies and the Robocop movies.

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:

      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:

      Thebridge14 wrote:
      No just just take the episodes titled beginnings and make it into a 40 minute movie no changes just in theaters not on tv.
      You're joking, right?! That's not even the length of 2 ATLA episodes! A regular movie like this should at least be over 2 hrs long! I mean, TLA was 1 hr and 43 min, and it left so much out!
      No I'm not these episodes alone are 30 times better than anything shamalyan can make, plus just make it a short film there's nothing about length that makes a movie good or bad it's the story telling and wans 40 minute story was captivating despite being short

      I'm not talking about Shamalamadingdong, I'm talking about a good director!

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    • oh right, from book 1 some episodes that dont even go with the plot can be cut out of the first movie to make the plot flow but some filler can be added to help build charater development, however these episodes from book 1 can be cut compleatly while some elemtnts can be added but the episodes i would cut is

      1.King of  omushu.

      Just filler and not needed,  King bumi can be intoduced in the book 2 movies.

      2.The Fourten teller.

      Sorry if i misspell, just plain filler and just added in there to build on kattang, but this can be done in many other ways that katara cares about aang, for an example, her calmng aang down at the southern air temple and in the si wong desert when appa gets stolen.

      3.Jet

      Just filler and i would take out jet all together,

      4.Bato of the water Tribe.

      Unless you include katara's neclas, just filler and bato can be intoduced during the day of black sun, along with hakoda. just filler.

      However there are episdes that can be refrenced for the zuko and iroh stroyline which nothing could be really modified exept for an early reval for his mother being hinted in the movie. senes can be merged or shortend such as the kyoshi worriors. i think you know how the rest will go right?

      Book 2 has a really vast plot to where episodes cannot be cut but there are a filler that can be cut out such as. 

      1.Avatar day.

      Just filler and not needed.

      2.The swamp

      I think you might put it in but this one is sort of an iffy would be better off shortend the cut.

      3. The cave of two lovers

      Just filler and a kataang episode.

      other episodes can be shifted around, merged or shortend such as appa's last days can be merged with another epispde and zuko alone could also be shortend and merged with another episode.

      Book 3 i would recomend splitting into two movies due to the the book having a dubble plot,

      for book 3 i would cut out,

      1. The head band.

      However you can keep the zuko story line and the gaang going to disqize, but otherwise it is just filler.

      2.The puppet master.

      Just filler and not needed, i would take out huma all together.

      3. The beach.

      Just plain filler.

      4. The embler island players.

      Again, not part of the plot and just plain filler.

      5. The runaway.

      6.The southern raiders.

      there are other eposodes can be shortend or merged with other episodes, there are a few more that can be cut out but i think you get the point, of what can be changed, cut merged ect ect.

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    • I wonder why ppl hate TLA? does anyone like the movie? I think 100% of ppl hate the movie and 50% of ppl like the movie. lol

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    • Bad acting, bad camera direction, bad editing, racist implications. Shall I keep going? I got more.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: Bad acting, bad camera direction, bad editing, racist implications. Shall I keep going? I got more.

      You left out bad effects for fire and earth (air and water looked okay), lazily-written script, slow fight scenes, and along with bad camera direction you might as well add pretentious cinematography. Seriously, so many pointless long takes that sucked.

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    • The cinematographer is Andrew Lesnie, who worked on LOTR and the Hobbit trilogies. Peter Jackson "loaned" him to M.Night through their mutual connection with Kennedy/Marshall. You can forget about Peter Jackson directing a reboot, if that's how you guys feel about his friend and frequent collaborator.

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    • I know that he was the cinematographer for LOTR and Hobbit, and he does a good job with both trilogies so far, but that doesn't mean everything he does is good. And just because he does a few long takes doesn't make them good, because in my opinion, they just felt slow and pointless.

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    • In that case, it's also pointless to ask Lesnie to come back, which rules out Peter Jackson because he is not likely to work with another cinematographer. What we need is a director who won't give a crap what haters think of his execution, much less from the creators of the source material. Lucky for us, Michael Bay is one of those directors...

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    • Don't forget, there's a director behind him telling him he's doing good. Peter Jackson directed an entire trilogy of fantasy epics that were EPIC. M. Night Shyamalan directed three good movies in my opinion (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, Signs) and the rest (Village, Lady in the Water, The Happening, The Last Airbender and After Earth) suck. And in case it wasn't obvious, The Last Airbender is the worst of them all.

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    • YMMV. I consider TLA his best work so far. It just need to be bigger, longer and uncut.

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    • like said before: I wonder why ppl hate TLA? does anyone like the movie? I think 100% of ppl hate the movie and 50% of ppl like the movie.

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    • Hasdi wrote: YMMV. I consider TLA his best work so far. It just need to be bigger, longer and uncut.

      It needs people who can act with emotion, someone who can write dialogue that's not exposition, and someone who can film action

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    • @tman

      The Village was just okay, you're right about the rest.

      @Hasdi

      http://th05.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2010/186/2/2/Last_Airbender_Spoilers_02_by_rufftoon.jpg

      So he's worked on some good movies and done well on them, That doesn't mean he's always at the top of his A-Game. it's his job to bring the Directors vision to be. Now if that director happens to be a control freak who won't listen to advice like M. Night, there is bound likely to be a disconnect between the two on how the job should be done.

      I imagine the On Set Conversation went something like this:

      Scene: Fire Nation Prison Set.

      M. Night: We'll fix any awkwardness in this scene in post.

      Andrew Lesnie: Uh, Mr. Night? Don't you think we're overusing the tracking shots just a bit? I mean, without shooting from multiple angles, the Editor isn't gonna have much to work or be able to edit out the more awkward moments. It'll end up looking like a huge mess.

      M. Night: Who is the director here? You or me? When I say I want another tracking shot, give me another tracking shot!

      Andrew: Ugh. Fine. No Skin off my nose. You'll get the blame not me.

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    • That's hilarious because in the featurettes, there is a good segment on how M.Night heavily relied on Lesnie's cinematography experience on what shots to take. Perhaps you are confusing the conversation M.Night had with Bryan. Disagreements during production are fine I guess, even heated ones. However, if Bryan knew the ship is sinking, he should have left before the ship sank, not insist later that he was never on board. Eusa_snooty.gif

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    • Okay so Lesnie relied too much on tracking shots, but M. Night still approved of it even though he could've said no overly long tracking shots of people standing around doing fight scenes that were too slow and looked too rehearsed. BTW, just because Mike and Bryan were named executive producers on this piece of s$&t of a movie doesn't mean they had any input.

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    • That's hilarious because in the featurettes, there is a good segment on how M.Night heavily relied on Lesnie's cinematography experience on what shots to take.

      If thats the case then what happened? Why did a man who gave us the excellent cinematography in some of the best movies ever made, who likely brought his A-game to every project other than this, had his usually great cinematography reduced to complete and utter crap? I understand every person has bad days, but a whole movie ruined because of his cinematography? It's just not possible, unless he was told to do it by M. Night!

      Personally, I suspect M. Night had greater control than we suspected.

      M. Night is best when directing smaller, more intimate films like Sixth Sense, and Unbreakable. Conversation oriented as opposed to action oriented, and his own material as opposed to adapting someone elses.

      Big budget spectacle, just isn't his forte. He didn't know how to make a big scene work because he hadn't really done anything like it before. You'd think he'd have improved since last Airbender, but After Earth's cinematographery had many of the same problems Airbender did. Take the opening scene with Will Smith in the battle with the Aliens. A long tracking shot, looks as awkward as the scene in the Fire Nation prison.

      Peter Suschitzky was the Cinematographer on AE. No other cast and crew connected to the Shyamalan Airbender was connected to AE aside from Shyamalan. Yet it had a lot of the same issues, why is that do you think?

      Its evidence that Shyamalan is overtly controlling of his Cinematographers, instead of letting them breathe, or doing his own cinematography.

      Disagreements during production are fine I guess, even heated ones. However, if Bryan knew the ship is sinking, he should have left before the ship sank, not insist later that he was never on board

      Bryan had disagreements with M. Night from the get go, but couldnt say much because the show was still in production at the time. They didn't want to upset the wrong people and have the plug pulled prematurely. They said they wanted to be involved but were repeatedly shut out by the executives. Of course now that everything is all but wrapped up for the Airbender-verse for the forseeable future, they can talk more freely without fear of studio reprisal.

      ON EDITING:

      I give you one of Bryan and Mikes heroes, the late, the great, Satoshi Kon.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE&index=3&list=UUjFqcJQXGZ6T6sxyFB-5i6A

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    • Does watching the Satoshi Kon video have any spoilers of his movies or shows?

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    • I heard Bryan & mike hate the movie. in a interview they said that.

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    • Do u have a link to that interview cuz I can't find it

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: Personally, I suspect M. Night had greater control than we suspected.

      Really? And here I thought haters already set their mind that M.Night dictated every pixel projected on the silver screen. -___-

      Let me explain this in way that even you could understand. Would you trust $250 million for an ATLA movie trilogy with someone who look like this?

      http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4870/fkx9.jpg

      Neither did Paramount Pictures. That's why Kennedy and Marshall were brought in, with Marshall as the lead producer. Paramount only needed M.Night because Nick sold the movie rights to him. Even then, they worked out a deal so that they can do the sequels with another director.

      Bryan had disagreements with M. Night from the get go, but couldnt say much because the show was still in production at the time. They didn't want to upset the wrong people and have the plug pulled prematurely.

      You are right that they didn't want to upset the wrong people, but not so much on the rest. I suggest you listen to the Nerdist interview very carefully and in full.

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    • Hasdi wrote

      Let me explain this in way that even you could not understand.

      You son of a b*tch. There is a reason no one on this wiki supports you. If you're going to make a valid argument, have some dignity and try to respect other people's opinions. By the way, really intelligent to use the video someone used against you as your own proof. Real intelligent there.

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    • Plus, they hated this movie, do you have any problem admitting that? Dante Basco said on reddit that he had lunch with them and they told Basco to never watch it, and he never has.

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    • TMan12 wrote:
      By the way, really intelligent to use the video someone used against you as your own proof.

      It's an audio interview, and there is more revelation in there than you might realize. For example, Mike and Bryan do not own ATLA/Korra so Paramount and M.Night didn't really need Mike and Bryan to executive produce the movie. Why were they not hired as merely "consultants" like Michael Bay did with TMNT co-creator Kevin Eastman? Figured it out yet?

      Plus, they hated this movie, do you have any problem admitting that?

      Yes. I admit they hate the movie. That I like. Very very much. You should check out what Alan Moore said about Zach Snyder's adaptation of his Watchmen comics. Perhaps there is a little Vaatu in all of us...

      Dante Basco said on reddit that he had lunch with them and they told Basco to never watch it, and he never has.

      Yeah, said he that before. Did you know Dante Basco also said that he still wanted to do a movie with M.Night? After calling for a boycott earlier? See, TLA2 needs East Asian actors for the Earth Kingdom characters, and it would be great to reunite with Frank Marshall since he played Rufio in his Hook movie. Lixa.gif

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    • Whoop de doo they were consultants, that just automatically means somebody was gonna listen to them. I'm sure Michael Bay actually listened to Eastman while jerking off to an explosion.

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    • IKR? Mike and Bryan might as well be hired as consultants so they can at least expect their their input CAN and WILL be flushed down the gutter. Why risk giving them executive-level access to the movie production if they are not even entitled to one? 

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    • Look, just because they were supposedly given input (whether or not they really had any, I've never seen anything that has confirmed it), and since you know they hated it, why do you honestly think their input would make a difference when the studios are already spending a crap load of money. Do you seriously think they would change anything in the middle of a three-to-six month filming schedule and go over budget because they cared? IDTS. Of course they would give Bryke a nice sounding title, it's to convince fans they were being remotely faithful to the source material.

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    • Peter Suschitzky was the Cinematographer on AE. No other cast and crew connected to the Shyamalan Airbender was connected to AE aside from Shyamalan. Yet it had a lot of the same issues, why is that do you think?

      Don't you know that nothing in this movie is the fault of anyone involved in the actual movie, especially not M. Night? Little known Last Airbender fact: It was the greatest movie of all time before Sarda got a hold of it.

      Let me explain this in way that even you could understand. Would you trust $250 million for an ATLA movie trilogy with someone who look like this? Neither did Paramount Pictures. That's why Kennedy and Marshall were brought in, with Marshall as the lead producer. Paramount only needed M.Night because Nick sold the movie rights to him. Even then, they worked out a deal so that they can do the sequels with another director.

      Supposing all of this is true, it's still wishful thinking to believe that a cinematographer can have any sway against the combined writer, director, & producer.

      Yes. I admit they hate the movie. That I like. Very very much. You should check out what Alan Moore said about Zach Snyder's adaptation of his Watchmen comics. Perhaps there is a little Vaatu in all of us...

      Has nothing to do with anything. Alan Moore has some good reasons for hating the franchise, but he's also a bit of a weirdo who clings to the Animation Ghetto ideology despite having had so much influence on the adult tone of comics--he would say that there is something wrong with us based on the fact that we still watch cartoons. But, again, his opinion has nothing to do with anything.

      Yeah, said he that before. Did you know Dante Basco also said that he still wanted to do a movie with M.Night? After calling for a boycott earlier?

      He doesn't call for a boycott anywhere in this link. I can understand why you feel the need to malign Mike & Bryan to give yourself a sense of legitimacy, but it makes no sense to take shots at someone else who apparently shares your...unusual taste in movies.

      You son of a b*tch. There is a reason no one on this wiki supports you. If you're going to make a valid argument, have some dignity and try to respect other people's opinions. By the way, really intelligent to use the video someone used against you as your own proof. Real intelligent there.

      Strictly speaking, nobody supports him because his arguments range from speculative to nonsensical, reek of bias, & the movie is frankly indefensible. His tendency towards passive aggression is just icing on the cake.

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote: book 1 can be made into one movie due filler, but book 2 and three will need two movies due to the vastness of the plot, if one chooses to make one movie 


      I'm not sure. A two hour movie "cover" more or less six episodes of the series. As you pointed out, every book has four to six episodes that are actually filler, so only about 15 "relevant" episodes remain. But even in the more important episodes, a good part of them is not actually relevant for the development of the main plot, but only for the story of the single episode (IE, in "the storm", the only relevant things are the flashbacks, not Sokka fishing). To me, every book could be reduced in a two-hour movie, even if some characters had to be left out that way (Jet, Bato, June, Piandao, maybe Bumi himself...)

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    • @NeoBahamut

      The "Boycott' that Hasdi says Dante called for was to not go see the movie because of the casting. Except it wasn't him calling for a boycott, it was him politely asking people to not go see it in a simple unbiased blog post. The same thing as Gene Yangs Comic strip commenting on the issue.

      So… to boycott or not? I still feel a loyalty to the whole project, I helped to make it popular and I hope the film does justice to a near perfect animated series. Boycott is a strong word, but I do know that I won’t go see it opening weekend. I’m sure I will see it sooner or later, but my money won’t be apart of the opening weekend tally. In this day and age, in America 2010… I just don’t think it is at all viable for white actors to play ethnic roles… at least until they let us play white roles.

      -Dante Basco on the Casting controversy (July 1st, 2010)

      The Full Blog Can Be Read HERE.

      @Tman

      No spoilers for the Satoshi Kon vid, its more of a discussion of his filmmaking technique than the plots of his films.

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    • He's really just saying that he isn't going to see it & kind of thinks that nobody else should, but isn't really committing.

      If I tell you that Prometheus sucks & you shouldn't waste money on it, that's not the same as a boycott.

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    • Back on Topic, its been almost FIVE YEARS! If they were going to make a sequel or reboot they would have by now.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: Back on Topic, its been almost FIVE YEARS! If they were going to make a sequel or reboot they would have by now.

      thank you!!! also if they made TLA2 & 3 both movies would probably be out on dvd by now or they would be filming the movies.

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    • maybe they put the sequels on hiatus.

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    • TMan12 wrote:
      Look, just because they were supposedly given input (whether or not they really had any, I've never seen anything that has confirmed it), and since you know they hated it, why do you honestly think their input would make a difference when the studios are already spending a crap load of money.

      What makes you think I honestly thought it would? The bigger the budget, the less risk the studio is willing to take. Artistic integrity be dammed. Bryan's intricate tattoo on Aang and others did get through, but if we are keeping score, he lost more arguments with other producers than he liked.

      Do you seriously think they would change anything in the middle of a three-to-six month filming schedule and go over budget because they cared?

      How do you think the bending/martial arts got screwed-up? M.Night initially agreed to give Sifu Kisu at least one year to properly train the actors. But when Ben Cooke, who previously worked with Frank Marshall on the stunts in Indiana Jones 4 and Bourne 3, was hired as the fight choreographer, he also took over the training from Kisu. Why? Because he said it would only take him six months. Kisu was right of course, but Cooke told Marshall what he wanted to hear, and that fits his filming schedule. Should M.Night fought harder? Maybe. But it would be naive to think that "this will never happen" with another director.

      http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/lokhopkuen/DSC07814_1-1.jpg

      Of course they would give Bryke a nice sounding title, it's to convince fans they were being remotely faithful to the source material.

      Assuming that Paramount actually cared about "being remotely faithful to the source material", that "nice sounding title" comes with executive powers. How effective they are in exercising those powers (or whether they choose not to exercise them) is another story.

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      it's still wishful thinking to believe that a cinematographer can have any sway against the combined writer, director, & producer.

      A "combined writer, director & producer" means he is responsible for the writing, directing and producing, not necessarily the cinematography. With that much stacked on his plate, you think he has time to worry about cinematography? Why take the trouble getting Lesnie on board when it is cheaper to get a DP graduate from film school that he can just b-slap around?

      Has nothing to do with anything. Alan Moore has some good reasons for hating the franchise, but he's also a bit of a weirdo who clings to the Animation Ghetto ideology despite having had so much influence on the adult tone of comics--he would say that there is something wrong with us based on the fact that we still watch cartoons. But, again, his opinion has nothing to do with anything.

      Are you familiar with special pleading? Of course you do. -___-

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      RaidenRadio wrote:
      The "Boycott' that Hasdi says Dante called for was to not go see the movie because of the casting. Except it wasn't him calling for a boycott, it was him politely asking people to not go see it in a simple unbiased blog post. The same thing as Gene Yangs Comic strip commenting on the issue.
      He's really just saying that he isn't going to see it & kind of thinks that nobody else should, but isn't really committing.

      Hmm... I took it as he is going to boycott the opening week at the very least, and insinuates that anyone who is not boycotting with him is a racially-insensitive jerk. Whatever. Dante had to be careful with his words because he auditioned for movie Zuko (but lost to McCartney) and still eyeing for a role for TLA sequels. I wish him the best. On the other hand, Gene Yang did outright call for a boycott of the movie.

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    • A "combined writer, director & producer" means he is responsible for the writing, directing and producing, not necessarily the cinematography. With that much stacked on his plate, you think he has time to worry about cinematography?

      No, clearly, Sarda took care of that. Everyone who says that the cinematography shows hallmarks of his direction is just an idiot. Sarda probably gave them brain tumors that pressed on the areas that blame M. Night for things.

      Why take the trouble getting Lesnie on board when it is cheaper to get a DP graduate from film school that he can just b-slap around?

      You said that Paramount got him because they didn't trust Shyamalan. Thus, this question makes no sense, unless you're telling us that what you said earlier was inaccurate.

      Are you familiar with special pleading? Of course you do. -___-

      ...What? Your namedrop is irrelevant, Alan Moore has nothing to do with this movie. Special pleading is when you establish a rule & then say that X is an exception to that rule, based only on the fact that the argument does not work without it. You might as well be accusing me of antisemitism, it would make about as much sense.

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    • @Hasdi You know who else has executive powers? Frank Marshall and Sam Mercer, who are actually in the film industry, who obviously had more power than Bryke and therefore more control. Don't forget, executive producers do have bosses they have to report to. Bosses who have more control and can say 'NO!' to executive producers.

      So, the fight choreographer from Indy 4 and Bourne 3. Indy 4 was directed by Steven Spielberg, who has experience filming great action scenes. Bourne 3 was directed by the king of shakycam, Paul Greengrass, so his talents are already wasted. Night had no previous experience filming action scenes, let alone action scenes that require CGI. So whose fault is it for slow action scenes: the choreographer who's used to audiences not seeing his fights, the director with no experience with action films, or the admittedly talented cinematographer who has filmed great action scenes with CGI?

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    • A Korra movie? Raava and Vaatu would be hard to adapt to the movie screen

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    • Boomubbles wrote:
      A Korra movie? Raava and Vaatu would be hard to adapt to the movie screen


      Who knows? CGI has gotten pretty cool recently. 

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    • Motion capture for Raava and Vaatu would work excellently.

      To be perfectly honest. If the whole film was done Mocap CGI animated (like TINTIN, or Christmas Carol) I wouldn't really mind who they cast.

      Case in point I really enjoyed Troy Baker's role as Delsin Rowe, a Native American character in Infamous Second Son, and suprisingly, I actually didn't have an issue that the actor was not Native American.

      http://gamerhavennews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Infamous-Second-Son.jpg

      Mocap blurs the line between animation and Real life so much that you can get all the star power that brings people into the theatre, without having to whitewash the characters ethnic appearances, or bring up the unfortunate implications of Yellowface with prosthetics or Whitewashing with live action filming. Even the more extreme members of Racebending.com say they're willing to give animation a freer pass when it comes to casting actors of color.

      Best of both worlds, Hollywood types can cast the stars they want, and we can have characters that look different from us! Everyone wins? right? right?

      (crickets)

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    • The casting is honestly the part I don't get. Who cares if they're hiring unknowns, a lot of child actors don't even become famous until after they've done roles in fantasy series (Harry Potter being the best example) so I don't get why they even hired white actors due to bankability. Plus, if they're unknown, you can pay them less and put extra money towards effects, i dont get how studio execs never think of that.

      And when it comes to casting top level Asian or Inuit actors. Chow-yun Fat, Jet Li, Michelle Yeoh, Zhang Ziyi, Jackie Chan, George Takei, Yayan Ruhian, Iko Uwais, Joe Taslim, Julie Estelle, Lucy Liu, Tony Jaa, Graham Greene. That schoolgirl from Kill Bill could've been a great Azula. Heck, any of the kids from Battle Royale could probably still pass as teenagers. These people could've been in an Airbender movie for two seconds and I'd be happy. Even if they're not well known in America, why not get actors who are popular in Asian countries and can rake in extra cash? How do studios never think of this?

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    • Even if they're not well known in America, why not get actors who are popular in Asian countries and can rake in extra cash? How do studios never think of this?

      1. Most of those actors can't speak english.

      Personally I think this can be solved if its done like lord of the rings. have English as a 'Common Tongue". but have the Fire Nation, Water Tribe, Earth Kingdom etc. Speak their native languages based on the cultures they were inspired by.

      Fire Nation= Japanese Or Thai.

      Earth Kingdom = Mandarin Chinese

      Water Tribes= Yupik, Navajo, some variant of a RL native american language?

      Air Nomad=?

      2. Most of those people you mentioned are too old. Takei and Lucy Liu are awesome. But they are also not getting any older, not to mention Lucy Liu hasn't been in a lead role in a profitable film in over a decade. Furthermore there hasn't really been a new generation of Asian Actors that have risen up to replace them.

      It's a 'Chicken or Egg' Situation. Are Asian Americans not becoming actors out of discouragement because of Hollywood's racism and Whitewashing? Or are executives not recruiting them because there aren't any and whitewashing roles out of necessity? Again, its a vicious cycle that needs to be broken. A big budget American blockbuster movie like the Airbender, starring an Asian in the lead role, would've been a huge step in breaking that 'Chicken or The Egg' cycle.

      All it would really take is one big hit to make other studios follow suit. If one big summer blockbuster with an heroic Asian lead was a big enough critical and box office success. It may encourage other studios to start casting Asian actors, and encourage Would-be Asian Actors to enter acting, and discouraged Asian actors to keep acting. Breaking the cycle of stereotyping and whitewashing, and create true 'equal opportunity'.

      But it won't happen. . . not in my lifetime at least.

      In a perfect world, the roles would go to the best actor. But as of now, Hollywood writes roles favoring white actors, even in movies based upon REAL LIFE Asian people who contributed to society! (like 21, Extraordinary Measures, 47 Ronin) Not only is it inaccurate, it perpetuates the false notion in Pop culture and Media that only white people contribute to society!

      Hollywood Assumes White Americans can relate to Blue Aliens (AVATAR) Giant Transforming Robots (Transformers), CGI Toys (Toy Story) and Kung Fu Pandas (self explanatory). But not human beings who look different from them. I say, you won't know that for sure until you try!

      I'll use another example, the Coffee Industry. When conducting surveys If you asked the Average American what kind of Coffee he wanted he'd say, 'A Dark Roast'. When in blind taste tests, people actually say they like Blonde Roast better. It's the same with movies.

      You don't know for sure that a blockbuster with an Asian lead wouldn't sell to a white audience unless you 'conduct a test' (EG. Make a movie) to prove it! Of course every movie is different so the comparison fails somewhat. . . But I still stand by it.

      Event A)

      Complex and heroic Roles for Asian Characters are whitewashed. - Leads to: \/ Event B) Asian Americans who want to become actors don't because they figure they will never get to play interesting complex non-stereotyped roles. - Leads to: \/ Event C) Hollywood Doesn't Cast Asian Actors, because there are none to cast. - Leads to: \/ Event A): Complex and heroic Roles for Asian Actors are Whitewashed[/b]

      3. The Issues With the Communist Chinese Market

      More on that HERE.

      Sample:

      the sheer lack of artistic integrity on the part of Major Studios (Paramount is not alone in this). Is what is going to KILL the American Movie Industry, at least creatively . Gone will be the days of movies that celebrate Chinese Culture and history, like Seven Years In Tibet , The Last Emperor , or Even a potential Full Length animated remake of  Last Airbender will likely no longer be produced since they wouldn't turn a profit in Communist China.

      Maybe even movies set in Japan or that celebrate Japanese culture like Empire Of The Sun   Letters From Iwo Jima and Memoirs Of A Geisha  will no longer be made due to the Studio wanting to appease the Communist Chinese censors who HATE the Japanese. If a Japanese man (or Asian American Man) is portrayed as anything less than an Irredeemable monster, it will be edited out and altered to appease the Chinese Censors, or never shown in China at all.

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    • making a life action film from a popular cartoon/anime should be illegal.

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    • Well, first off Keanu may have been the star of 47 Ronin, but his character was looked down upon by almost everyone and he always had to kiss everyone's *ss for being white. The movie still sucked but it's a bit of a stretch to call that racism.

      The whole they can't speak English thing? I would solve that by seeing if they can speak fluent English first. Actors can't afford to be lazy, if they want a part and have to work for it, they'll most likely do it. Julie Estelle had to work hard for Raid 2 and she speaks very fluent English, better than Iko. The age thing is admittedly kind of a factor and there aren't as many roles for the older women I mentioned, but you could gender reverse a couple characters. Imagine Long Feng being Michelle Yeoh who is a 'close advisor' to the Earth King.

      I don't even like Lucy Liu so I'm not sure why I mentioned her? But I ran out of ideas. At that point I would've suggested Brenda Song as a casting choice. At least she knows martial arts, and I guess she could've gotten away with being Ty Lee.

      Or they could've taken the other suggestion: hire kids who are worth less and spend the rest of the money on good effects and actual locations.

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    • What would you people like to see in the new series? I think that the Northern Air Temple trap was a good idea, but the Mechanist could be the one who draws Aang into the trap, and this is the Mechanist's introduction. Also, June should have introduced, as well as Bumi. Haru should not be Asian, but the Kyoshi Warriors/Imprisoned/ Waterbending Scroll merging was a good idea. The Storm should be omitted, but not the flashbacks. The Dragon Spirit thing was stupid, and Roku didn't even make an appearance. I dont know about Jet, though. The Great Divide should be omitted. Jeong Jeong and Bato might appear, but I don't know. Thew blue spirit should lose the crazy hair, cuz it was just stupid.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      What would you people like to see in the new series? I think that the Northern Air Temple trap was a good idea, but the Mechanist could be the one who draws Aang into the trap, and this is the Mechanist's introduction. Also, June should have introduced, as well as Bumi. Haru should not be Asian, but the Kyoshi Warriors/Imprisoned/ Waterbending Scroll merging was a good idea. The Storm should be omitted, but not the flashbacks. The Dragon Spirit thing was stupid, and Roku didn't even make an appearance. I dont know about Jet, though. The Great Divide should be omitted. Jeong Jeong and Bato might appear, but I don't know. Thew blue spirit should lose the crazy hair, cuz it was just stupid.

      1. haru was in the movie but was unamed.

      2.how would june be intoduced in the first movie? it would work in the book 3 movies though.

      3. i would just take out jet all together.

      4.Bumi's role would work better in the book 2 movies.

      5. Jeong Jeong would of automaticly been movied to the book 3 movie or movies.

      well that is all the rest would be a good idea, just my nitpiks, and for the movie series itself. 

      Book 1 would be one movie due to filler while the other two books would be two movies each making a total of 5 faithful movies.

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    • The race of characters shouldn't matter. Bryke never said their characters were Asian only Asian influenced . It doesn't bother me that the actors were white. It did bother me how poorly they acted and how pathetic the script was.

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    • Well, I don't 100% agree with your opinion of the casting. But I also agree that the script and acting would be the biggest factor to the success or failure of the film.

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    • Another big issue, The child actors growing up over the course of the production? Thats a moot point in Animation, but a real issue for a live action film. You'd either have to age up the majority of the cast (which would take away the kid POV idea that made the original story resonate so well), alter the story to take place over several years instead of a single year like the show (which could work I suppose showing the young characters grow into adults), This could work if they are willing to shoot the movies back to back like the HP movies.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: Another big issue, The child actors growing up over the course of the production? Thats a moot point in Animation, but a real issue for a live action film. You'd either have to age up the majority of the cast (which would take away the kid POV idea that made the original story resonate so well), alter the story to take place over several years instead of a single year like the show (which could work I suppose showing the young characters grow into adults), This could work if they are willing to shoot the movies back to back like the HP movies.

      Also if Shyamalan thought ahead instead of saying that Sozin's Comet would arrive in 3 years.

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    • so they are never going to make the sequels or make a reboot?

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    • Sequels are surely dead in the water. Any hypothetical reboot would be a decade or more into the future.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote: Sequels are surely dead in the water. Any hypothetical reboot would be a decade or more into the future.

      dead in the water? what?

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    • Dead.

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    • TMan12 wrote:
      You know who else has executive powers? Frank Marshall and Sam Mercer, who are actually in the film industry, who obviously had more power than Bryke and therefore more control. Don't forget, executive producers do have bosses they have to report to. Bosses who have more control and can say 'NO!' to executive producers.

      I pretty much cover that in my blog. All producers jointly make highest-level decisions on the movie production (though their real end-customer or "boss" is the studio). As far who has more power comes down to who brings more to the table. Mike and Bryan were rookies with limited connection, so they could have left and production would still go on. They were as useless as Tenzin on the United Republic Council. Why stay? Apparently, MTV Networks dragged them in to spy represent Nick's interests. Just when they were up to their eyeballs and about to walk out, Nick dangled them a carrot: 12 episodes on ANYTHING related to ATLA.

      "Tarrlok, I don't know what you did to get Chief Saikhan in your pocket but I highly doubt it was legal."
      Tenzin in When Extremes Meet

      No, I don't fault them on taking the offer. In the Nerdist interview, Mike and Bryan talked being out of work for years after ATLA due to the Great Recession. Then, they were given a opportunity to make a show the way they want to make... BEFORE they even pitched a show or even conceived Korra. All they had to do is stay on the movie production and suck it up.

      So, the fight choreographer from Indy 4 and Bourne 3. Indy 4 was directed by Steven Spielberg, who has experience filming great action scenes. Bourne 3 was directed by the king of shakycam, Paul Greengrass, so his talents are already wasted. Night had no previous experience filming action scenes, let alone action scenes that require CGI. So whose fault is it for slow action scenes: the choreographer who's used to audiences not seeing his fights, the director with no experience with action films, or the admittedly talented cinematographer who has filmed great action scenes with CGI?

      Hmm... this is a complex question so I will give you a partial answer. Everyone knew that Night is not the right guy to do action scenes, so Sam Mercer and Frank Marshall had to step in with 2nd unit(?) directors. In the Blu-Ray featurettes, Mercer was proud of the "slow action scene" of Aang doing several waterbending moves in one long take, in which Jade Quon substituted for Noah Ringer. Mercer and Marshall were shown on the set but I didn't see M.Night. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing M.Night when the good action scenes were being shot.

      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      You said that Paramount got him because they didn't trust Shyamalan. Thus, this question makes no sense, unless you're telling us that what you said earlier was inaccurate.

      I said they got Kennedy/Marshall because Paramount didn't trust Shyamalan with $250 million to do a movie trilogy. With Kennedy/Marshall's connection, Shyamalan met up with Peter Jackson and then persuaded Andrew Lesnie to work on The Last Airbender. As a bonus, Shyamalan had lunch/dinner with Jackson where he drone on and on about how seven years of his life was sucked out of him rebooting The Lord of Rings. xP

      Alan Moore has nothing to do with this movie. Special pleading is when you establish a rule & then say that X is an exception to that rule, based only on the fact that the argument does not work without it.

      Ah, perhaps I didn't make the connection clear. Alan Moore is the co-creator of Watchmen comics. Zack Snyder adapted his comics into the Watchmen movie, to which Alan Moore said "I will be spitting venom all over it" and a host of other obscenities. Even though Alan Moore is purist prick and considers that a compliment, does not mean I should shun his books for hating Snyder's movie that I enjoy. Likewise with Bryan. He may hate the movie that love, but I don't hold that against him or his work. As he said in the Nerdist interview, he and I just "don't have that much overlap" but "that's ok". To each his own.

      Sequels are surely dead in the water. Any hypothetical reboot would be a decade or more into the future.

      The Last Airbender is BACK.... August 2 Icon_surprised.gif

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    • that link said August 2st 2014. that was last mouth.

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    • also a lot of ppl want/think Sequels will happened. I think the Sequels idea is over.

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    • agreed, i dont think they will be making one for many years to come or mabey on hold permantly.

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    • @Hasdi ahhh, that poster it isn't a TLA2 poster, but a lot of people were talking about that on facebook asking to see TLA2. It's interesting at least

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    • on the Wikipedia is said: it is possible the Sequels were adandoned due to Shyamalan's commitments to other project and the film's poor reception from citics and viewers alike. does anyone know what all that means?

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    • Rather than a sequel or live action reboot, I'd greatly prefer a full length animated theatrical spin-off movie. Like 'Knocking On Heavens Door" AKA The Cowboy Bebop Movie.

      Basically a big budget theatrical length episode. Can you imagine seeing Korra and company in a Full Movie budget level production value?

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    • @Hasdi 1. so producers make joint decisions even though Bryke said "it had someone else's name on it?" and you also said "that many producers heading up a movie, visions will get compromised, moreso than the animated series with only Mike and Bryan producing. The producers must also sell the movie to the studios, their real end-customer. While most of us like to believe otherwise, the studios ARE entitled to "improve" these visions, because they are ultimately the ones financing the movie and distributing it to the movie-going public. While the movie did not turn out the way Bryan had envisioned". How does that make sense to you? Besides, just because they didn't take their names off of it doesn't mean they had control. It could just mean that since it was based on their show they felt obligated to keep their names in. It's speculative for me to say that, but compared to the speculation you claim as facts, this is nothing.

      2. What good action scenes? Just because he dodges fire in Slo-mo in one take that makes it good? This isn't 300, no one cares about Slo-mo/speed up shots anymore? The only fight scenes that are even remotely entertaining are ones that involve hand-to-hand fighting. At least they look real and are in real time.

      3. All of your "strongest" arguments are just speculation and they don't have links. Bryke spying on Nick? That's the best you've got? Give links for your strongest points.

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    • I think that nick should really make new films for each book, 

      they could call it the legened of the avatar.

      Book One : Water

      Book Two : Earth

      Book Three : Fire

      Book Four : Air 

      Book Five : Spirits

      Book Six : Change

      Book Seven : Balance

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    • Not a bad idea, but books 2, 3, 5 and 6 need to be two movies each. Who knows book 7 may need 2 movies to do it justice

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    • TMan12 wrote:
      Not a bad idea, but books 2, 3, 5 and 6 need to be two movies each.

      I don't think so. As said, a two hour movie "cover" the lenght of six episodes. Every book has five or six episodes that are plain filler, and of the rest, many scenes are useful for the story of the single episode, not for the developement of the main story.

      To me, giving up some non-essential character, every book can be reduced to a 2 hour movie. And, in any case, it's a necessity. To prevent the actors outgrow their characters, the movies should be shot at the same time, which is already difficult for three movies, let alone for five.

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    • Dogwalker wrote:
      TMan12 wrote:
      Not a bad idea, but books 2, 3, 5 and 6 need to be two movies each.
      I don't think so. As said, a two hour movie "cover" the lenght of six episodes. Every book has five or six episodes that are plain filler, and of the rest, many scenes are useful for the story of the single episode, not for the developement of the main story.

      To me, giving up some non-essential character, every book can be reduced to a 2 hour movie. And, in any case, it's a necessity. To prevent the actors outgrow their characters, the movies should be shot at the same time, which is already difficult for three movies, let alone for five.

      There should be 1 movie for Book 1, 1 movies for Book 2, and a 2-part movie thing for Book 3, like Harry Potter and God knows how many other film series. Book 3 Part 1 should end with ther failed Invasion thing, and Team Avatar and the others fleeing to the WTA, with Zuko following in his War Balloon. Part 2 could open up with Team Avatar at the WTA, etc etc etc, and end with Zuko's coronation and the Jasmine Dragon ending, with the exact same ending as Part 4:Avatar Aang (including the camera going up and the "the end" calligraphy thing appearing, followed shortly by the translation underneath it.)

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    • There should be 1 movie for Book 1, 1 movies for Book 2, and a 2-part movie thing for Book 3, like Harry Potter and God knows how many other film series.

      I've only heard of this with Harry Potter & Twilight, & Twilight probably took the idea from Harry Potter. Anyway, I don't like this trend. If you HAVE to split a movie, fine, but considering they more-or-less successfully adapted the 1st 6 books into individual movies--& the 5th Book is the longest by a significant amount--this seems more like a money grabbing scheme, rather than something that was done for the integrity of the story. And in the case of Deathly Hallows, Part 1 ends on the most awkward cliffhanger, leaving Part 2 to open up on to the aftermath of this big action scene.

      Now, splitting the 3rd season after the Day of Black Sun, that could actually work, because it's 2 different story arcs. In fact, that's probably the way to go, because if you adapt all of the essential episodes, you're pushing 3 hours of material. If you split it into 2 movies, you can include some of the plotlines that aren't essential but still develop the characters--IE the "life changing field trips with Zuko."

      I shudder to think how Shyamalan would try to cram everything from Book 3 into 90 minutes.

      But Book 2 doesn't need it.

      As for Korra?

      Air: Just cut out the love triangle & some of the Pro-Bending & expand on the Equalists wherever you have room. 1 movie cuts it, easily.

      Book 2: You could do it, but you'd have to cut a plotline or 2 somewhere, so it really makes more sense to have a Book 2 movie & a Beginnings movie.

      Book 3: The conundrum here is that I don't see a lot that you could cut, but I don't see a spot that would be good to split the Book into 2 parts either.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      SS21 wrote: There should be 1 movie for Book 1, 1 movies for Book 2, and a 2-part movie thing for Book 3, like Harry Potter and God knows how many other film series.

      I've only heard of this with Harry Potter & Twilight, & Twilight probably took the idea from Harry Potter. Anyway, I don't like this trend. If you HAVE to split a movie, fine, but considering they more-or-less successfully adapted the 1st 6 books into individual movies--& the 5th Book is the longest by a significant amount--this seems more like a money grabbing scheme, rather than something that was done for the integrity of the story. And in the case of Deathly Hallows, Part 1 ends on the most awkward cliffhanger, leaving Part 2 to open up on to the aftermath of this big action scene.

      Now, splitting the 3rd season after the Day of Black Sun, that could actually work, because it's 2 different story arcs. In fact, that's probably the way to go, because if you adapt all of the essential episodes, you're pushing 3 hours of material. If you split it into 2 movies, you can include some of the plotlines that aren't essential but still develop the characters--IE the "life changing field trips with Zuko."

      I shudder to think how Shyamalan would try to cram everything from Book 3 into 90 minutes.

      But Book 2 doesn't need it.

      As for Korra?

      Air: Just cut out the love triangle & some of the Pro-Bending & expand on the Equalists wherever you have room. 1 movie cuts it, easily.

      Book 2: You could do it, but you'd have to cut a plotline or 2 somewhere, so it really makes more sense to have a Book 2 movie & a Beginnings movie.

      Book 3: The conundrum here is that I don't see a lot that you could cut, but I don't see a spot that would be good to split the Book into 2 parts either.











      My quote: You have some good ideas!

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    • For book 1, this may piss people off, but wouldn't be interesting if instead of pro-bending you saw Mako and Bolin working in the triads, kinda like republic city hustle. Having Mako go from a shady crook to a cop can actually work. Plus if gives a natural reason for Korra to meet them (they could be the guys she had arrested in the first episode and, I dunno, they stay at the air temple island to avoid being taken out for knowing too much). It's a wierd idea, I know, but it gives the triads a good enough reason to actually exist, plus that could lead to some cool turf war fights.

      For book 2 I would just have Mako's storyline be him spying on Varrick. It saves time. This will also piss people off but I say get rid of Boleska. I know a lot of people like the twins (why do people like them anyways?) but they're just henchmen to me. Besides removing the whole love stories thing makes half the movie shorter.

      For book 3 change you could end part 1 with the red lotus vs the metal clan, and you can split parts of original Airbenders into both parts, you know just so we can see Opal actually doing something.

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    • For book 3 change you could end part 1 with the red lotus vs the metal clan,

      See, I wouldn't like this, for the same reason that I didn't like the split in Deathly Hallows. There is no true rest period or return to exposition there, just a small lull in the action before they go hunting down the Red Lotus. With Book 3 of the original series, like I said, the Invasion of the Fire Nation & the Zuko's Redemption thing are basically 2 separate story arcs. There are several episodes that are just integrating Zuko into the group before we go back into climax.

      I don't mind your other ideas, but they are more of a reboot/reinterpretation than a strict adaptation.

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    • if they made a korra movie I hope m.night is not involved.

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    • "See, I wouldn't like this, for the same reason that I didn't like the split in Deathly Hallows. There is no true rest period or return to exposition there, just a small lull in the action before they go hunting down the Red Lotus. With Book 3 of the original series, like I said, the Invasion of the Fire Nation & the Zuko's Redemption thing are basically 2 separate story arcs. There are several episodes that are just integrating Zuko into the group before we go back into climax".

      Just out of curiosity, if you had to split book 3 into 2 movies (because let's face it, this season was written really tightly) where would you split it. The reason I chose the metal clan battle was because: 1st half/building up red lotus, 2nd half/going after red lotus

      "Your ideas are more of a reboot/reinterpretation than a strict adaptation".

      I'll give you that, but to be fair, when you're making an adaptation, some things should be removed, and that's more of a subjective opinion. I only chose the triad part because it was more relevant to Mako and Bolin's character as opposed to pro-bending. The pro-bending is good but it's as forgotten as quickly as it's introduced in my opinion.

      And like I said, it gives the triads a reason to exist, as opposed to them walking on-and-off screen going "We're in the show!"

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    • Teddybearlover wrote: if they made a korra movie I hope m.night is not involved.

      I think the studios learned that people would rather watch people try to kill Bella Swan as opposed to people trying to kill Shyamalan

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    • TMan12 wrote:

      Teddybearlover wrote: if they made a korra movie I hope m.night is not involved.

      I think the studios learned that people would rather watch people try to kill Bella Swan as opposed to people trying to kill Shyamalan

      Either way, Shamalamadingdong is a giant ding-dong.

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    • I tentatively think that I would try to make Book 3 into 1 long movie. Part of me wants to say, "Split it & give the Red Lotus more backstory," but I can't think of any good point to do that at.

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    • Make brief flashbacks of when Zaheer met each of them. Put them in before their prison breaks. Or you could show them trying to kidnap Korra when she was a kid at the beginning of the first movie. Plus I said if you HAD to instead of if you wanted to.

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    • if they made a TLA reboot one of the movies will be a 2 part movie. i bet they won't make a reboot or a korra movie Paramount pictures and nickelodeon movies know how bad M.night's TLA was. they will realize if they made a reboot or a korra movie it might be worst then TLA.

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    • Movie 1: Airbender: Legend Of Aang

      From Boy In The Iceberg thru The Blue Spirit with all unecessary filler like Jet and The Great Divide cut out.

      Movie 2: Airbender: Siege Of The North

      Basically, the entire North Pole Storyline in a movie.

      Movie 3: Airbender: The Blind Bandit

      Here we introduce Toph and carry the Story Line through To Aang Losing Appa in the Desert/The Drill At Ba-Sing-Se.

      Movie 4: Airbender: Crossroads Of Destiny

      The Story Line In Ba-Sing-Se from the Drill to the Titular episode, Aang is reunited with Appa

      Movie 5: Airbender: The Day Of Black Sun

      The from the beginning of the Season to The Invasion of The Fire Nation.

      Movie 6: Airbender: Sozin's Comet

      From The Firebending Masters to Sozins Comet.

      each one would have to be at least three hours long each.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      Movie 1: Airbender: Legend Of Aang

      From Boy In The Iceberg thru The Blue Spirit with all unecessary filler like Jet and The Great Divide cut out.

      Movie 2: Airbender: Siege Of The North

      Basically, the entire North Pole Storyline in a movie.

      Movie 3: Airbender: The Blind Bandit

      Here we introduce Toph and carry the Story Line through To Aang Losing Appa in the Desert/The Drill At Ba-Sing-Se.

      Movie 4: Airbender: Crossroads Of Destiny

      The Story Line In Ba-Sing-Se from the Drill to the Titular episode, Aang is reunited with Appa

      Movie 5: Airbender: The Day Of Black Sun

      The from the beginning of the Season to The Invasion of The Fire Nation.

      Movie 6: Airbender: Sozin's Comet

      From The Firebending Masters to Sozins Comet.

      each one would have to be at least three hours long each.

      I personally think that book 1 should only be one movie, in three hours if would cover the plot and season 1 has way to much filler and would not work as two movies. now for the other movies,pretty spot on but as far as book 1 goes, it cannot work as 2 movies, it would work better with it being three hours long or a little bit more. and book 2 should end with aangs death and katara reviving aang at the end then cut to when azula tells zuko that he did not betray uncle, that he betraded the nation or whatever she said,

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    • I would like to point out that I'm working on a treatment for a second draftof my version, and that whole series will probably go like this-

      The Legend of Aang-

      This will have a both shortened and lengthened version (i'll explain later) of the first three episodes, heavily modified versions of the episodes Imprisoned, The Warriors of Kyoshi and The Spirit World, and a version of the North different and somewhat more simple than the one portrayed in the series. This will also have a modified and expanded role for June (spelled Jun in this version), a brief establishment cameo for Toph, and a role for the Kyoshi Warriors more akin to their role as originally filmed for the 2010 film.

      The Blind Bandit-

      While much of Zuko's storyline would remain the same, it would probably consolidate some events or have it work better to the story's duality.

      The main team's journey, however, would be markedly different. Their journey would begin with Return to Omashu, a version of the Blind Bandit modified to accustom the above changes, carry on through HEAVILY modified (and expanded) versions of The Chase and Bitter Work, and end with their excursion to the Library and the theft of Appa. Suki would rejoin the team at some point along the way.

      The City of Ba Sing Se-

      The Desert would be shortened to a VERY short amount of time, but the rest of the series of events would be similar (no Tales, though)

      The Day of Black Sun-

      The differences in this one are too many to mention. For one, Jeong Jeong is now the main focus.

      Sozin's Comet-

      Not much, except it's extended (except for Boiling Rock, which would be shortened), and the epilogue is much longer.

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    • i currently as well making my own scipt rewrite of the whole last airbender tillagy, sorry if i misspell and how i have things set up for movies.

      Book 1 water: The legend of Aang: Journey to the north.

      Book 2 Earth: Crosoads of Destiney. MAY BE SPLIT INTO TWO MOVIES DUE TO VASTNESS OF THE PLOT

      Book 3:The day of black sun.

      Book 3: Sozins comet.

      Note: book 3 was split due to vastness of plot, book 2 i really want to split but have not figured out how to due so. 

      With the first half of book 3, due to lots of filler on team avatar's part of the story, i would foucus more on zuko story while the gaang tries to find aang a fire bending teacher, this is where jeong jeong would play a big role as one of aangs first firebending teachers, some filler scenes to support the development of katara and aang and to develop the rest of team avatar in gernal, it ends with the gaangs defeat at the invasion and fleeing to the western air temple.

      For the second film of book 3, pretty much the same, zuko would join team avatar and would start teaching aang firebending but is unable to and cannot figure out why, the boiling rock would be put together into mupiple scenes with extentens as needed and the rest of sozins comet would go on, i might include a reuon scene if time permits with the ending to be extended to suppot and tie up any loose ends made by any of the other films.

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote:

      With the first half of book 3, due to lots of filler on team avatar's part of the story, i would foucus more on zuko story while the gaang tries to find aang a fire bending teacher, this is where jeong jeong would play a big role as one of aangs first firebending teachers, some filler scenes to support the development of katara and aang and to develop the rest of team avatar in gernal, it ends with the gaangs defeat at the invasion and fleeing to the western air temple.

      For the second film of book 3, pretty much the same, zuko would join team avatar and would start teaching aang firebending but is unable to and cannot figure out why, the boiling rock would be put together into mupiple scenes with extentens as needed and the rest of sozins comet would go on, i might include a reuon scene if time permits with the ending to be extended to suppot and tie up any loose ends made by any of the other films.

      That's a good plot for Part 1. Nightmares and Daydreams should be omitted, but Aang should still have a lot of stress cuz of the upcoming invasion. Sokka's Master is a definite yes, cuz that is a major part of Sokka. The Headband should just be Team Avatar blending into the crowd, but without the school scenes. The Painted Lady is an "i dont know" thing, as is the Runaway, but the Puppetmaster is more likely to be featured, to introduce Bloodbending.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Gsmith1030 wrote:

      With the first half of book 3, due to lots of filler on team avatar's part of the story, i would foucus more on zuko story while the gaang tries to find aang a fire bending teacher, this is where jeong jeong would play a big role as one of aangs first firebending teachers, some filler scenes to support the development of katara and aang and to develop the rest of team avatar in gernal, it ends with the gaangs defeat at the invasion and fleeing to the western air temple.

      For the second film of book 3, pretty much the same, zuko would join team avatar and would start teaching aang firebending but is unable to and cannot figure out why, the boiling rock would be put together into mupiple scenes with extentens as needed and the rest of sozins comet would go on, i might include a reuon scene if time permits with the ending to be extended to suppot and tie up any loose ends made by any of the other films.

      That's a good plot for Part 1. Nightmares and Daydreams should be omitted, but Aang should still have a lot of stress cuz of the upcoming invasion. Sokka's Master is a definite yes, cuz that is a major part of Sokka. The Headband should just be Team Avatar blending into the crowd, but without the school scenes. The Painted Lady is an "i dont know" thing, as is the Runaway, but the Puppetmaster is more likely to be featured, to introduce Bloodbending.

      i would take out the painted lady and the runaway as it really dose not contriute to the plot, i think some scenes might help but not very much, just my guess, i would have katara and aang have a talk about the invasion and her resureing him, but other the that, nightmare and daydreames would be omitted in my opion.

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    • painted lady and southern raiders should be taken out. due to it not contrucute the plot that much.

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote: painted lady and southern raiders should be taken out. due to it not contrucute the plot that much.

      what about the Ember island players? should that be cut out?

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote:
      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Gsmith1030 wrote:

      With the first half of book 3, due to lots of filler on team avatar's part of the story, i would foucus more on zuko story while the gaang tries to find aang a fire bending teacher, this is where jeong jeong would play a big role as one of aangs first firebending teachers, some filler scenes to support the development of katara and aang and to develop the rest of team avatar in gernal, it ends with the gaangs defeat at the invasion and fleeing to the western air temple.

      For the second film of book 3, pretty much the same, zuko would join team avatar and would start teaching aang firebending but is unable to and cannot figure out why, the boiling rock would be put together into mupiple scenes with extentens as needed and the rest of sozins comet would go on, i might include a reuon scene if time permits with the ending to be extended to suppot and tie up any loose ends made by any of the other films.

      That's a good plot for Part 1. Nightmares and Daydreams should be omitted, but Aang should still have a lot of stress cuz of the upcoming invasion. Sokka's Master is a definite yes, cuz that is a major part of Sokka. The Headband should just be Team Avatar blending into the crowd, but without the school scenes. The Painted Lady is an "i dont know" thing, as is the Runaway, but the Puppetmaster is more likely to be featured, to introduce Bloodbending.
      i would take out the painted lady and the runaway as it really dose not contriute to the plot, i think some scenes might help but not very much, just my guess, i would have katara and aang have a talk about the invasion and her resureing him, but other the that, nightmare and daydreames would be omitted in my opion.

      Actually, the Runaway should be a sub-sub-plot of Toph's parents hiring a gang of bouinty hunters or somewhat to tack down Top when Yu and Xin Fu failed.

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote:
      painted lady and southern raiders should be taken out. due to it not contrucute the plot that much.

      Painted Lady, probably yes. Southern Raiders, no, because that is the part when where we find out about Katara's mom's real fate, and confronts her mom's killer.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:

      Gsmith1030 wrote: painted lady and southern raiders should be taken out. due to it not contrucute the plot that much.

      what about the Ember island players? should that be cut out?

      Yes, because who can fit an entire play into a 2 1/2 hour movie?! Plus, it just draws away from the main plot.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:

      Gsmith1030 wrote: painted lady and southern raiders should be taken out. due to it not contrucute the plot that much.

      what about the Ember island players? should that be cut out?

      yes you are correct, that is completly taken out of the movie as it dose not contrubute to the plot at all, just filler you are correct.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Teddybearlover wrote:

      Gsmith1030 wrote: painted lady and southern raiders should be taken out. due to it not contrucute the plot that much.

      what about the Ember island players? should that be cut out?
      Yes, because who can fit an entire play into a 2 1/2 hour movie?! Plus, it just draws away from the main plot.

      You miss the other problem- how many films do you know that recap themselves halfway through? It would seem bizarre, and also detract from the tension of events before and those to come. Imagine if, right before the march to the Morannon, that there was a play that put the events of Aragorn and the others in a humorous context.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Gsmith1030 wrote:
      painted lady and southern raiders should be taken out. due to it not contrucute the plot that much.
      Painted Lady, probably yes. Southern Raiders, no, because that is the part when where we find out about Katara's mom's real fate, and confronts her mom's killer.

      i rethought it and sorry about that thanks for bringing it up, yes i do want to tell the story of katara's moms fate and confontation of her killer might be shortend, but i dont know how it would work, but when it comes to a flashback, yes that in fact should be included. painted lady for sure be taken out dose not contibute to the plot and just plain filler.

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    • How about the Lion Tutle and Aangs disapperance? I mean, we've got from the WAT to Sozin's Comet to include, and this seems like an important part. Just include expanded sessions with each Avatar, etc etc etc, and BLEH.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      How about the Lion Tutle and Aangs disapperance? I mean, we've got from the WAT to Sozin's Comet to include, and this seems like an important part. Just include expanded sessions with each Avatar, etc etc etc, and BLEH.

      like  i  said, i dont have the whole thing planned out and when i get done with book 1, and i am not making a movie, i am just writing a script for the fandom to enjoy. and that is a important part of the plot, but i dont know, i do have aang run away and the fight between katara, zuko vs azula and the battle with suki, sokka and toph vs fire nation fleat and aang vs ozai battle will still be included in the end. along with a planned reuion i dont know where it would be, zuko's cornation  and ba sing se ect. that is how  i have it planned so far again might change, i dont know.

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    • I was referring to the actual remake, not your remake.

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    • i dont know how it would be done, for a acual  remake, they would do that, but then again,it really depends on who dose the remake, each directors have there own vision, the above is what i would do. whoever would do the remake if any might do it differntly.

      Disscussion 2, i dont think a korra movie is possible with the way nick treated korra now that it went digital.

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    • TMan12 wrote:
      just because they didn't take their names off of it doesn't mean they had control. It could just mean that since it was based on their show they felt obligated to keep their names in. It's speculative for me to say that, but compared to the speculation you claim as facts, this is nothing.

      Their ONLY obligation is keep the "created by" credit. This is textbook not speculation. Disputes among producers happen all the time, but Mike and Bryan just had the nerve to show up the NYC premiere and then 3 weeks later claim they didn't "head up the film" in The Wall Street Journal interview. If Mike and Bryan feel strongly against the movie, to remain as executive producers (yet claim zero creative control) is considered unprofessional by the film community to put it mildly. If they ever want anyone in the film business to work with them (for their Korra movie or whatnot), they better have a damn good reason for pulling that crap. Scapegoating M.Night is not helping their case but praising other TLA producers and crew (including ILM) in the Nerdist interview is a start.

      What good action scenes? ... The only fight scenes that are even remotely entertaining are ones that involve hand-to-hand fighting.

      Yeah, those ones including "Zuko practicing vs four Firebenders", "the Blue Spirit and Aang vs Fire Nation soldiers", "Zuko vs Aang", and "Master Pakku versus Fire Nation soldiers". When I say good, I don't mean as faithful to the show as this.

      Bryke spying on Nick? That's the best you've got? Give links for your strongest points.

      Not Bryke spying on Nick but MTV Networks "spying" on its sister company, Paramount Pictures. One of these days I have to put all these links in a blog because I am so tired of repeating myself. Icon_yawn.gif For now, I'll give you the highlights.

      Back then, MTV Networks (headed by Judy McGrath) managed Nickelodeon, MTV and Comedy Central. When Brad Grey headed up Paramount in 2005, he wanted to take over from her the management of Nickelodeon Movies and MTV Films, which was then headed up by Scott Aversano but this effort was stalled due to "corporate squabbling, management upheaval and more immediate needs".[1] But then, Nick sold ATLA movie rights to M.Night[2] (who bombed his own fantasy film The Lady in Water a few months prior) just to bury an ATLA movie in development hell for 10-20 years.

      Fortunately, when M.Night had lunch with Brad Grey to pitch an ATLA movie trilogy to him, Grey saw it as a "backdoor" to take control of Nick Movies/MTV Films from McGrath. Aversano no longer reported to McGrath but to Grey[3] so Mike and Bryan became McGrath's proxy on the movie production. When Viacom bought TMNT franchise[4] to develop both TMNT movie AND TMNT series, Viacom execs agreed around that time that TLA movie needs a new Avatar-related show for a cross-promotion that is similar to TMNT.[5] Viacom then launched Korra to build upon the financial success of TLA movie.[6]

      I know it's a lot to take in, but if you understand this historical executive war, you'll understand why Korra is in such a s***hole. Judy McGrath was the highest-ranking Viacom executive who strongly supported Korra AND she saw Korra as a potential replacement for Spongebob.[7] After Book 2 was greenlit,[8] she was "retired"[9] with MTV Networks dissolved, a few days after Stephen Colbert joked on Osama Bin Laden's death[10] under her watch.

      "Suck my giant American balls, Al Qaeda. ... Osama, no 3D movies for you in hell. Which I’m pretty sure would be The Last Airbender. ... I am just so happy. And I hope I am never again this happy over someone’s death."

      Paramount will never reboot The Last Airbender, as long as Brad Grey is in charge. To do so would be an admission of failure for Grey and a vindication for McGrath.

      SorcererSupreme21 wrote: Either way, Shamalamadingdong is a giant ding-dong.

      I am sure Bryan is out there giggling with approval then bursting into hysterical laughter every time a hater said "Shamalamadingdong" instead of Shyamalan. What a great role model he is. Why don't you ask Bryan to hack and slash a cardboard cut-out of M.Night with a spacesword from Man At Arms and post that video on his tumblr. The ratings will hit the roof. Eusa_snooty.gif

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    • Paramount will never reboot The Last Airbender, as long as Brad Grey is in charge. To do so would be an admission of failure for Grey and a vindication for McGrath

      Good! If isn't remade, or sequeled, or adapted again at least not for another decade or so, then it can exist as its own thing without anyone whitewashing the cast, or butchering the themes, and ruining it with poor directing and cinematography.

      Yeah the Colbert thing was blatant pandering to the studio executives. He's a total jerk.

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    • Who, Colbert?

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    • This isn't the first time someone got credit for something hey hated and had no control over whatsoever.

      the Wachowskis tried to have their names removed from their first script Assasins, and despite the fact that the finished script wasn't theirs they weren't allowed to take their names out.

      David Fincher's film career started on something he had no control over. Two words: Alien 3. No control, no freedom at all, had to comply, and doesn't even think the assembly cut is his own movie.

      Besides, do you see any behind-the-scenes footage of Bryke on set having any sign of control or approval of anything, if they were even on set at all? The interview between them and Night even implies that they had no idea what was going on. So yeah, in this case, I don't think being named executive producer meant anything to Nickelodeon

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      If isn't remade, or sequeled, or adapted again at least not for another decade or so...

      Probably not remade. Sequeled on the other hand...

      Yeah the Colbert thing was blatant pandering to the studio executives.

      Colbert wasn't the only one pandering to McGrath's camp. How did you think ATLA cast and crew (Sifu Kisu, Dante Basco, Gene Yang, Johane Matte, Prof. Siu-Leung Lee, etc, etc) got away berating the movie for so long without so much of a disciplinary action? It's not because Mike and Bryan were bigshots in Nickelodeon but because McGrath defended their right to "express their grievances". The Colbert thing was the last straw. McGrath was retired and all her direct reports (Nickeloden, MTV and Comedy Central) were reassigned under Viacom CEO himself, Philippe Dauman. Her "pet project" Korra was reviewed and then its production quietly placed on hold, which we only found out months later.[1][2]

      TMan12 wrote:
      Besides, do you see any behind-the-scenes footage of Bryke on set having any sign of control or approval of anything, if they were even on set at all?

      [...Dramatic pause...] Yes. It shouldn't be a surprise. Everyone was in good terms during the principal photography (March-June 2008). Even Kisu defended M.Night and the casting with Dev Patel as Zuko,[3] despite the stunt-coordinator-turned-fight-chereographer Ben Cooke took over the training from him. It went downhill from then on.[4][5]

      I found four youtube videos [6][7][8][9] (out of nine parts) of the featurette "Discovering The Last Airbender" from the movie Blu-Ray. You can check out the rest from your local library. M.Night, Frank Marshall and Sam Mercer are on the set daily but Mike and Bryan about once a week. As for the other producers, Kathleen Kennedy was busy with the Tintin movie while Scott Aversano was busy with the Killers movie. The interviews on the featurette were done AFTER the NYC premiere. If it makes you feel better, Bryan was just being polite in the interviews, not giving out an all-out endorsement of the movie.

      http://imageshack.us/a/img827/1970/bryketla.png

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    • If it makes you feel better? Is that you being polite and dignified or you still being a pretentious prick?

      So, once a week. Where we don't know if they were watching action scenes that probably looked better live than they did on camera or watching scenes that had the best acting (if that was even possible). Has Bryke even criticized the acting in the movie?

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      If it makes you feel better? Is that you being polite and dignified or you still being a pretentious prick?

      I was being considerate. If I was being a pretentious prick, I assure you that I would have ended that sentence with this emotion. http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd378/ketekbau/Emoticon/kedip.gif

      Look, I posted these videos before, as far back as in my blog almost four years back. From past experience, I am not hopeful it's going convince anyone that Mike and Bryan were more involved and had more influence in the movie that they are willing to admit, including Mike and Bryan themselves. -___-

      we don't know if they were watching action scenes that probably looked better live than they did on camera or watching scenes that had the best acting.

      I can confirm they were on set for the Southern Air Temple scene in Philly where Aang discovered skeletal remains of Monk Gyatso and his friends (no action scenes just practical FX). They were also on set for the Blue Spirit action scenes where Aang used the Airbending gates and wooden poles against the Fire Nation soldiers. I have to check if they were present for the intensive action scenes where Aang (substituted with Jade Quon) fought alongside the Blue Spirit.

      Has Bryke even criticized the acting in the movie

      Not that I know of but I won't be surprised if they have a problem with it as well. I note that complaints on the acting is due to a) M.Night's peculiar directing style (scenes without dialogue and the "Shyamalan stare") and b) character changes from the animated version.

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    • I was being considerate. If I was being a pretentious prick, I assure you that I would have ended that sentence with this emotion. ⟹ I am not hopeful it's going convince anyone that Mike and Bryan were more involved and had more influence in the movie that they are willing to admit, including Mike and Bryan themselves.

      Hasdi, crap like this is exactly what people talk about, You want to be a pretentious jerk about things and act holier than thou for liking a movie that has been banned by 94% of critics and the creators of the original product itself. Fine. Don't expect to agree with you, coddle you, or treat like you aren't acting like a pretentious jerk. Even if bryan and mike did have some influence, they hated the final product, and have confirmed they do multiple times, of their own free will and not because they were pressured by anyone, be it the studio, or the fanbase.

      I mean seriously Hasdi, you're to the Last Airbender Fanbase what Anita Sarkeesian is to the Gaming industry. Accusations of Bias can only get you so far before people begin to realize you're full of Bull.

      We don't want a Last Airbender Sequel or Reboot. We don't NEED a Last Airbender Sequel of Reboot.

      I have to check if they were present for the intensive action scenes where Aang (substituted with Jade Quon) fought alongside the Blue Spirit.

      Well. . .that has some unfortunate implications for the charges Racebending. Seriously, of you can recruit an Asian kid to do the bad actors Kung Fu, why not one who can actually act?

      Not to mention the fight scenes were shot and edited horribly. No question about that, regardless of who was involved in making them, the Final product was unobjective crap!

      Not that I know of but I won't be surprised if they have a problem with it as well. I note that complaints on the acting is due to a) M.Night's peculiar directing style (scenes without dialogue)

      More like awkward silences between moments of exposition upon expostion!

      Rufftoon Talks About  This Better than I ever could

      b) character changes from the animated version.

      Changes are to be expected, because its an adaptation. That is completely understandable! What isn't understandable is making what should be a character we should connect with and empathize with, into emotionless exposition spouting bores!

      If movie Aang, Sokka, and Katara were completely different from their toon counterparts in every way but still been compelling, and still expressed emotion I would have accepted them on their own terms even if their story arcs and characters divorced entirely from the original source.

      Could have a mopey angsty Aang, Serious Warrior Sokka, and Crybaby Nicola Peltz Katara worked? Yes. But we never got to see them emote or have real emotional conflict, or bond on an emotional level with each other. Not even on the bare minimum of levels expected in an average movie!

      Did you not see NC's Commentary on why the movie failed? Did you even bother to watch it?

      Here Watch it if you haven't and get back to us.

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      Heres an Excerpt:

      NC :You have a great setup for an emotional moment. Aang is seeing all his past lives. The power and weight of who he is should hit him at this very point. But instead, what do they do? Try to explain more exposition.

      (Scene plays)

      MOVIE!Aang: There's a ceremony when everyone bows to me. That's when I accept my role as the Avatar. But when everyone bowed... I didn't bow back.

      NC(continued): And that is the problem. Whether you're aware of the show or not aware of the show, the movie is all explanation with no humanity. Why do you think they (eg.Movie!Sokka and Movie!Katara)  waited twenty minutes of the film to ask him his name? Because that's not what was most important to Shyamalan. The identity? Who gives a sh*t? It can't be nearly as important as explaining......and explaining......and explaining......and explaining

      I DON'T F**KING CARE! And you know why? Because I never once heard anyone in this movie say "I 'feel' this" or "I 'like' this" or "I 'wonder' this". There are no emotions being addressed. Traditional storytelling is setting up a character  sending them on their journey , and learning more about them through their journey.

      The Last Airbender is just chess piece storytelling: Character goes here, character goes there, character says this, pawn to king four. So in this scene that should've been the emotional pinnacle of our main star, it's just more explaining about what happened rather than why it happened.

      So you pardon me if, rather than be concerned when the villager betrays him to the Fire Nation, I ask that you remind me what was revealed about him (in aforementioned Scene) that's worth giving any investment whatsoever? This isn't me being angry that it's different from the show, this is me being angry that it's missing the most essential element of telling any story: if the character can never express any emotion, why should the audience ever express any emotion?

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    • He's been given the NC monologue about emotion, and he just danced around the question.

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    • I wish they made the last airbender movie with CGI live action (like they did with the smurfs, and the chipmunks)

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    • I mean seriously Hasdi, you're to the Last Airbender Fanbase what Anita Sarkeesian is to the Gaming industry. Accusations of Bias can only get you so far before people begin to realize you're full of Bull.

      What? No. The industry actually awarded Anita Sarkeesian. The 2014 Game Developers Choice Ambassador Award. Look it up.

      Even before she started speaking, several game developers came out to complain about how they were pressured to perpetuate sexist stereotypes by their publishers.

      The criticism of her comes largely from people being very uninformed about both her argument & feminist theory in general. I can confirm that she is not just making crap up when she talks about "systemic sexism," that's something that's come up a few times in my psychology courses.

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    • Anyways yeah, I used to be a supporter of hers and still I agree with some of her points, but I've recently become disenchanted with her and the emotionally manipulative tactics she uses. Similar to the emotionally manipulative language Hasdi uses.

      Checkthis video out, and well discuss this elsewhere. I don't feel like clogging up the page with my disenchantment with Anita and Hasdi.

      Since were on the Topic of Feminism. What the hell did Shyamalan and Paramount do to Katara?

      A relelvant repost:

      Every female character in the show was portrayed with a variety of personality traits, from caring and motherly, to violent and angry, to romantic and hopeful. Especially Katara. Regrettably, none of the feminist themes so clearly shown and portrayed in the series, even reared their head in the film. [1] In the series, the first scene we see Katara in, she’s yelling at Sokka for being sexist, In the movie, the first scene we see Katara, she’s nervously apologizing to him like a battered wife. Shyamalan and Paramount removed all the Female empowerment sentiment in the original series, and in doing so, reduced the girls to little better than the sexist stereotypes the series was trying to avert.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:

      Checkthis video out, and we'll discuss this elsewhere. I don't feel like clogging up the page with my disenchantment with Anita and Hasdi.

      YES. PLEASE.

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    • I don't want to clutter the thread either, but I certainly hope that critics will look, because I have a lot to say on that video.

      Spoiler Alert: It's pretty much all wrong.

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    • Personally, I'd prefer if they did an animates spinoff film Ala the Cowboy Bebop Movie

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    • Oh my god, please stop cluttering my thread. Just continue your conversation in a different place.

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    • "I don't want my thread cluttered with arguments, so I'll post nothing but complaints about arguments that were already moved."

      Also, aside from our argument, this thread has been dead for over a week, so I'm just going to abandon it.

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    • Back on Topic: what are we going to with TLA2 page? deleted it? it been almost 5 years. we know TLA sequels won't happened and never will happened. so what are we going to do with that page?

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    • I edited it a while back to make it clear it was not really a possibility anymore.

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    • You can do whatever you want with TLA2 page. I stopped editing the film namespace a long time ago. If you want to say TLA2 is no longer a possibility, go right ahead. If you want to say Paramount wants to remake the ATLA movie series into 7 parts, budgeted $200 million each, with Mike and Bryan in full creative control, and an authentic all-Asian cast, you can do that too. I have my own thoughts on this, based on my observations with other movie projects in development hell over the years, but I don't have the time to convince anyone and engage in edit-whoring with haters. In the end, Paramount will do what Paramount wants to do.

      I will tell you that Viacom treats ATLA, Korra and the movie as part of the same franchise. Judy McGrath is gone. Brad Grey won, and Grey has been streamrolling his own "pet project" TMNT over McGrath's "pet project" Korra, while we are all bitching and whining on M.Night for "destroying" the franchise. Now that TMNT franchise is secured with TMNT 2 movie and TMNT S4 greenlit in the last several weeks, Viacom shareholders are demanding TMNT to have a "wingman" as a contingency for franchise fatigue, just like they don't want Viacom to rely too much on Spongebob. And what better wingman than the Airbender franchise, which is the very franchise that motivated Viacom to purchase TMNT from Peter Laird for $60 million in the first place?

      Viacom is willing to throw M.Night under the bus for their own business agenda. Don't think for a second they won't do the same to Mike and Bryan if their needs warrant it. 

      @RaidenRadio: We had this conversation before about the Nostalgia Critic. The reason why movie fans enjoyed TLA movie is because they can pick up the subtle emoting cues in M.Night's peculiar directing style. As far as the movie fans are concerned, it is an emotionally and spiritually engaging movie. If the Nostalgia Critic doesn't enjoy the movie because of the "emotionless acting", I can understand why he has a problem with this movie. However, if he has a problem with the movie fans for enjoying the movie, then f*** him and the haters riding on him. >.<

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    • Do you live in the real world?

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:
      Back on Topic: what are we going to with TLA2 page? deleted it? it been almost 5 years. we know TLA sequels won't happened and never will happened. so what are we going to do with that page?

      We should probably keep it, because, well, ya never know, there could be a TLA2, though, if M Night Shyamalamadingdong makes another one, I'd rather have my head explode like Combustion Man.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:

      Teddybearlover wrote:
      Back on Topic: what are we going to with TLA2 page? deleted it? it been almost 5 years. we know TLA sequels won't happened and never will happened. so what are we going to do with that page?

      We should probably keep it, because, well, ya never know, there could be a TLA2, though, if M Night Shyamalamadingdong makes another one, I'd rather have my head explode like Combustion Man.

      I don't think there will be a TLA2.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:

      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:

      Teddybearlover wrote:
      Back on Topic: what are we going to with TLA2 page? deleted it? it been almost 5 years. we know TLA sequels won't happened and never will happened. so what are we going to do with that page?
      We should probably keep it, because, well, ya never know, there could be a TLA2, though, if M Night Shyamalamadingdong makes another one, I'd rather have my head explode like Combustion Man.
      I don't think there will be a TLA2.

      But, still, let's keep the page. It's necessary, and, even though it's not likely, TLA2 is possible.









      But I never said I want it to happen.

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    • I think it's more likely that Nickelodeon will release a few Direct-to-DVD animated movies first in order to gage public interest. That being said, I'd love to see a live action Korra movie and a remake of the godawful TLA. 

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    • I wonder if anyone still want the sequels to happen? if they did make TLA2 they might mass up Toph's earthbending and Azula's firebending. also TLA2 could be better or worse then TLA. I don't know about TLA3.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:
      I wonder if anyone still want the sequels to happen? if they did make TLA2 they might mass up Toph's earthbending and Azula's firebending. also TLA2 could be better or worse then TLA. I don't know about TLA3.

      M Night Sequels? noooo


      But, for the remake series, TLA3 will (and should) probably be a Part 1 and Part 2 kind of thing, with Part 1 ending the Invasion, and Part 2 ending with Sozin's Comet.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Teddybearlover wrote:
      I wonder if anyone still want the sequels to happen? if they did make TLA2 they might mass up Toph's earthbending and Azula's firebending. also TLA2 could be better or worse then TLA. I don't know about TLA3.
      M Night Sequels? noooo


      But, for the remake series, TLA3 will (and should) probably be a Part 1 and Part 2 kind of thing, with Part 1 ending the Invasion, and Part 2 ending with Sozin's Comet.

      That is what i was thinking, finaly someone who agrees with me.

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote:
      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Teddybearlover wrote:
      I wonder if anyone still want the sequels to happen? if they did make TLA2 they might mass up Toph's earthbending and Azula's firebending. also TLA2 could be better or worse then TLA. I don't know about TLA3.
      M Night Sequels? noooo


      But, for the remake series, TLA3 will (and should) probably be a Part 1 and Part 2 kind of thing, with Part 1 ending the Invasion, and Part 2 ending with Sozin's Comet.

      That is what i was thinking, finaly someone who agrees with me.

      So what do you guys thinks about some Korra movies/films? I think its title should just simply be "Korra." Any ideas?

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:

      Gsmith1030 wrote:
      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Teddybearlover wrote:
      I wonder if anyone still want the sequels to happen? if they did make TLA2 they might mass up Toph's earthbending and Azula's firebending. also TLA2 could be better or worse then TLA. I don't know about TLA3.
      M Night Sequels? noooo


      But, for the remake series, TLA3 will (and should) probably be a Part 1 and Part 2 kind of thing, with Part 1 ending the Invasion, and Part 2 ending with Sozin's Comet.

      That is what i was thinking, finaly someone who agrees with me.

      So what do you guys thinks about some Korra movies/films? I think its title should just simply be "Korra." Any ideas?

      I don't think if it is a good idea to make some Korra movies/films. Paramount pictures and nickelodeon movies might want M.night involved.

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    • I edited the TLA2 page last night saying: the sequels are cancelled. but someone took it down.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:

      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:

      Gsmith1030 wrote:
      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Teddybearlover wrote:
      I wonder if anyone still want the sequels to happen? if they did make TLA2 they might mass up Toph's earthbending and Azula's firebending. also TLA2 could be better or worse then TLA. I don't know about TLA3.
      M Night Sequels? noooo


      But, for the remake series, TLA3 will (and should) probably be a Part 1 and Part 2 kind of thing, with Part 1 ending the Invasion, and Part 2 ending with Sozin's Comet.

      That is what i was thinking, finaly someone who agrees with me.
      So what do you guys thinks about some Korra movies/films? I think its title should just simply be "Korra." Any ideas?
      I don't think if it is a good idea to make some Korra movies/films. Paramount pictures and nickelodeon movies might want M.night involved.

      I highly doubt they're the only ones who don't want m night on the projsct.

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    • Heres my criteria: Keep it animated..

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      Heres my criteria: Keep it animated..

      Nah, live-action is better. Just not M Night Shamalamadingdong.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:
      I edited the TLA2 page last night saying: the sequels are cancelled. but someone took it down.

      Acording to the edit history, it was deleted by psu avatar or somthing like that becuase  you did not have a source to back it up, and the capitalization is not needed, we can assume it is cancled, but it has not been confirmed by offical sources, it is like in a movie freazer or somthing i dont know. but there could be a chance it is cancled, if you find a source that is cancled, then add it along with a ligit source, but untill we find a source that is cancled, then your edit was not needed, besides paramount has been pretty sighent about the fate of the tla movie triliagy for years now, so it can be assumed that they abandoned the project, but they have not announce it that i know of. if you do, then feel free to post a link about its cancelation but untill then, it might as well be in the dark,oh well, it might as well have been abandond i dont know.

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    • Gsmith1030 wrote:

      Teddybearlover wrote:
      I edited the TLA2 page last night saying: the sequels are cancelled. but someone took it down.

      Acording to the edit history, it was deleted by psu avatar or somthing like that becuase  you did not have a source to back it up, and the capitalization is not needed, we can assume it is cancled, but it has not been confirmed by offical sources, it is like in a movie freazer or somthing i dont know. but there could be a chance it is cancled, if you find a source that is cancled, then add it along with a ligit source, but untill we find a source that is cancled, then your edit was not needed, besides paramount has been pretty sighent about the fate of the tla movie triliagy for years now, so it can be assumed that they abandoned the project, but they have not announce it that i know of. if you do, then feel free to post a link about its cancelation but untill then, it might as well be in the dark,oh well, it might as well have been abandond i dont know.

      I think the sequels are adandoned. because on the Wikipedia it said: it is possible the Sequels were adandoned due to Shyamalan's commitments to other project and the film's poor reception from citics and viewers alike. I still don't know what all that means.

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:

      Gsmith1030 wrote:

      Teddybearlover wrote:
      I edited the TLA2 page last night saying: the sequels are cancelled. but someone took it down.
      Acording to the edit history, it was deleted by psu avatar or somthing like that becuase  you did not have a source to back it up, and the capitalization is not needed, we can assume it is cancled, but it has not been confirmed by offical sources, it is like in a movie freazer or somthing i dont know. but there could be a chance it is cancled, if you find a source that is cancled, then add it along with a ligit source, but untill we find a source that is cancled, then your edit was not needed, besides paramount has been pretty sighent about the fate of the tla movie triliagy for years now, so it can be assumed that they abandoned the project, but they have not announce it that i know of. if you do, then feel free to post a link about its cancelation but untill then, it might as well be in the dark,oh well, it might as well have been abandond i dont know.
      I think the sequels are adandoned. because on the Wikipedia it said: it is possible the Sequels were adandoned due to Shyamalan's commitments to other project and the film's poor reception from citics and viewers alike. I still don't know what all that means.

      Abandoned meanes that it was just left alone and with no plans to touch or make the sequal for as long as i know, and i do belive that the sequals are somehow not going to be made, a reboot under a new director may be possible in the near futre. but not for a long time i can belive.

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    • You know, for an abandoned project, Noah Ringer seems to be flying between Texas and Philly quite a bit.

      http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/JadenSmith__NoahRinger__MateoArias_zpsbc13df57.jpg

      Then again, maybe he just like to hang out with Jaden Smith and Mateo Arias. Kids these days. Lixa.gif

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    • I like Jaden Smith. after TLA it looks like everybody move on to other projects. I think.

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    • Considering Noah and Jadens two upcoming projects are Peppercorn Chronicles, and Karate Kid 2 respectively. It seems highly unlikely.

      Move on Hasdi. Find another franchise that has a better chance of getting live action movie sequel/reboot, The Last Airbender Sequels/Remakes are NEVER happening, not for decades at least. and by then Noah and the rest of the cast will be too old.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote: Considering Noah and Jadens two upcoming projects are Peppercorn Chronicles, and Karate Kid 2 respectively. It seems highly unlikely.

      Move on Hasdi. Find another franchise that has a better chance of getting live action movie sequel/reboot, The Last Airbender Sequels/Remakes are NEVER happening, not for decades at least. and by then Noah and the rest of the cast will be too old.

      I agreed. also we don't know if the sequels are cancelled. it hasn't been confirmed yet.

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    • ^^this is a wiki, half the stuff on here is hypothetical, and furthermore this is the internet :D mixing personal fantasy and reality is pretty much the point of being online nowadays. not here though, this is supposed to be a thread about a remake, not MNS TLA. Doesn't seem like anyone really wants to talk about this imaginary reboot though... :/

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    • i think it is too late to make The Last Airbender Sequels. i don't know about the reboot.

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    • no.

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    • Shinnypichu88 wrote: no.

      no to what?

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    • Teddybearlover wrote:

      Shinnypichu88 wrote: no.

      no to what?

      I think he meant no to TLA remakes. Which, in that case, is his opinion.

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    • I wish they did make The Last Airbender Sequels. I want to see how are they gonna messed Toph and Azula's bending and Lightning bending.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Teddybearlover wrote:

      Shinnypichu88 wrote: no.

      no to what?
      I think he meant no to TLA remakes. Which, in that case, is his opinion.

      more so to the films, because they fail.

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    • Shinnypichu88 wrote:

      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Teddybearlover wrote:

      Shinnypichu88 wrote: no.

      no to what?
      I think he meant no to TLA remakes. Which, in that case, is his opinion.

      more so to the films, because they fail.

      if they did make TLA remakes might be better then TLA.

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    • ^ any idea who would be likely to work on that?

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    • That would be M.Night, since the movie rights revert back to him if Paramount opt not to do the sequels. When that happens, he can pitch a reboot to other studios or sell off the rights. Yeah.

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    • Hasdi wrote: That would be M.Night, since the movie rights revert back to him if Paramount opt not to do the sequels. When that happens, he can pitch a reboot to other studios or sell off the rights. Yeah.

      m.night working on the Reboot??? NO!!! no way!!!

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    • Way. Paramount was in talks with more suitable directors (e.g., Gore Verbinski) so the old Nick "poisoned the well" by selling the movie rights to the last person Paramount had in mind. What are you going to do? Idontknow.gif

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    • After he directed two flops in a row? Both Airbender and After Earth? Isn't he the directorial equivalent of a Leper at this point?

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    • Those weren't flops. He flopped The Lady in Water so Nick sold him the movie rights a few months after that.

      Airbender and After Earth are financially successful (though the latter under-performed domestically) so Fox studios hired M.Night to team-up with Bruce Willis for another movie.[1]

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    • The Latter underpreformed because it was both a bad movie, and his previous movie emotionally alienated his audience.

      Also, still working on that "Why there will never be a good Airbender Movie" Blog. It'll come out soon.

      What would have to happen for the movie rights to revert back to NIck?

      If he is involved, I'd put him on the backburner as a 'producer' and 'consultant' but let someone else hold the camera, and direct the actors.

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    • Who thinks Liam Neeson should play Fire Lord Ozai if this becomes a thing?

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    • I'd prefer an all asian cast, but we all know thats more than likely gonna happen.

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    • I'd prefer that the movie be ethnicity accurate as well, though having at least a few western actors perform certain roles for the sake of their talent might nt be such a bad idea. I was also thinking of Michael Shannon as Admiral Zhao (he played General Zod in Man of Steel). Other than that, I agree, Avatar should have a mostly Asian cast.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      What would have to happen for the movie rights to revert back to NIck?


      Movie rights eventually expire... typically 10-20 years, since that's how long it usually takes to get a movie greenlit (see development hell). TLA movie is a strange case because it was greenlit several weeks after M.Night bought it. Of course, Nick can always buy it back ahead of time, but they probably figure it is not worth it, especially when they still own the movie rights on Korra and ATLA spin-offs. Lixa.gif

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    • I've read that M. Night has been hitting financial trouble lately. The reason he directed AE was because he needed money to put his kids through to a university. Who knows? Maybe if he sinks lower he will have to sell the movie rights to someone else.

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    • for now. I THINK it is hard to make TLA2 and TLA3 the character of TLA 1 who plays aang is probably in older age . for me  i suggest for the remake of THe last air bender.. just like the amazing spiderman.

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    • but still hopping for TLA BOOK 2, :-( how i wish to see that in 2015

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    • Jade.ybanez.96 I don't see TLA2 happening. it been 5 years and the actor are too old to repeat there roles.

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    • thats why it is really good for the remake of TLA1 :-(

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    • yes. good Idea. remake TLA. with a new cast and no M.Night.

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    • Again, "actors getting too old" is a minor detail to studios. Actors who can look young enough with make-up will be kept (e.g., Back to the Future sequels, Sin City 2, The Hobbit series, Star Wars, etc, etc). Otherwise, they can recast almost everyone (The NeverEnding Story sequels, Mortal Kombat 2, Superman Returns). ATLA isn't considered Harry Potter material, even with another director. Not to the studios anyway. Be careful what you wish for.

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    • Most people hate Mortal Kombat 2 (even those that liked the original film), and Superman 2 bored the audience despite the critical praise. Don't get me started on the Neverending story sequels.

      So. . .yeah not too optimistic for a Last Airbender sequel, if they even bother to make one being good. At least it can't be as bad as the original . . .right?

      Also, Hasdi you keep going to the Facebook likes as evidence that people actually support the movie.

      But I don't think those people are liking it because they genuinely like it. I mean, I like the Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter movies, but not because I actually enjoy them as films. I 'like' Breakfast At Tiffany's too, that doesn't mean i think its not an irredeemably racist piece of trash.

      So those. . . four million people who 'liked' the movie on facebook? They're more than likely fansof the original series who 'like' it IRONICALLY!

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      So. . .yeah not too optimistic for a Last Airbender sequel, if they even bother to make one being good. At least it can't be as bad as the original . . .right?

      Had Paramount released the sequels sooner with the same cast and crew, at least we know what we're getting. You think the original is bad? You think "anyone but M.Night" can do a better job? Wait till the sequels get the Mortal Kombat 2 scenario. It will uppercut you in the balls.

      You keep going to the Facebook likes as evidence that people actually support the movie. But I don't think those people are liking it because they genuinely like it.

      Any hater who likes TLA movie facebook page is by definition a troll, waiting for any movie-related post just to bitch on it. If you don't like the movie, don't look for the sequels. Move on. Go like ATLA facebook page and hump on it instead. >_>

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    • I find it weird that ppl still support the movie and believe that the sequels are going to happened. lol!! I bet the actors don't want to do the sequels and repeat there roles. they have others things to do.

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    • If the actors are still under contract, they won't have a choice. Otherwise, the studios negotiate and/or recast.

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    • "uppecut to the-'

      Okay, Ew. Thats just gross Hasdi.

      Yeah, anyone else would've been better than M Night Shamhammer. Even if this theoretical TLA2 had been bad, it would have at least been ENTERTAININGLY BAD. M. Nights movie was just plain bad, dull, boring, and aggravating. There weren't any real moments where I either a) laughed at something in the movie I found unintentionally funny or B) enjoyed the bits of the film I found to be actually good.

      Enjoyable bad movies have these entertaining moments in them, (despite the quality of the rest of the movie) that at least make it watchable, or get an emotional rise out of the viewer. Case in point, Mortal Kombat, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are not good movies by any stretch of the imagination. The stories are paper thin and full of plotholes, the acting is bad, The characters underdeveloped, the sets and effects are fake-looking and dated. But they have these enjoyable moments in them that made them both fun to watch. Be it the Choreography in the fight scenes, or the awkwardly funny moments resulting from the actors melodrama.

      Last Airbender didn't have anything enjoyable in it. Not even unintentionally enjoyable.

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    • one of my favorit movie is TLA so its not bad for the remake of the movie . anyways the Humor of TLA is not good.  the sokka character in the movie is not like sokka in avatar animated series. the HUMOR or the movie is not effective at all. but it is a good movie. the remake of TLA is better because probably it will be much good than the older one.
      File:Katara and Sokka cartoon versus film versions.jpg
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    • And its good also that after the remake of TLA? in the next year, TLA 2 will be the next. just like the "Divergent" the book 2 of it wich is"Insurgent" is coming soon .. im hopping that if the after TLA1 remake , the TLA 2 will be next and no more remake just like Superman

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    • Jade.ybanez.96 wrote:
      And its good also that after the remake of TLA? in the next year, TLA 2 will be the next. just like the "Divergent" the book 2 of it wich is"Insurgent" is coming soon .. im hopping that if the after TLA1 remake , the TLA 2 will be next and no more remake just like Superman

      Umm sorce, please, dont want to sound demanding.

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    • If they happen to make a reboot live action film of Avatar, leave it to the Koreans or Japanese. 

      I just saw the live action version of the classic anime Rurouni Kenshin. It was brilliant! The studio that made that production put out a really good show that I feel I can go back and watch a few more times. 

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    • I'm back after an absence of over a year (not counting one or two edits a month ago of course), and it's nice to see some of the old faces are still being themselves. Teddy is still agreeing with everyone who posts, even if that means he changes his opinion several times in the same day, Hasdi is being his condescending self, and that seems about it. Everyone else seems new.

      As for the topic at hand: Please God, no, no more live action Avatar movies (the good Avatar OR James Cameron's Avatar). Since Nick seems content to let their greatest show ever die, I doubt Viacom will finance any new movies. All we can really hope is that the series finale does SO well that Nick will want a new series, which is extremely unlikely. The only thing that is actually likely to happen for the next few years at least is some graphic novels like with A:TLA.

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    • How to Do Funny Action Scenes

      When they inevitably remake this movie ten twenty fifty years down the line, they need to take a note from Jackie Chans Notebook. M Night Shyamalan said he was a fan of Kung-Fu movies, so why not take a page from those Kung Fu movies and learn how make a good and dynamic fight scene?

      Edit: Thats the beauty of animation though, I love how Bryan and mike use a lot of the same things in their animated fight scenes that Jackie Chan uses in his live action ones.

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    • Why M Nights Movies Started To Suck

      From The Comments:

      I think the problem with directors like M. Night, Spielberg, Lucas and others is this: When they first go into the business they worked their tails off, they also had lots of supervision from others to axe any crap they might include in their movies. Watch the terrible deleted scenes with director commentary in "Unbreakable". The movie was pretty good but had the deleted scenes been in there it would have been as horrendous as many of his later works. Yet hearing him talk about these scenes they were utter genius to him. They were long pointless dialogues. He just couldn't understand why people didn't want those scenes.

      The problem with producers is that after they've worked their tails off, made it big, and then enjoyed a measured period of success, the industry becomes more allowing. More or less, they are like a dog on a leash. The dog is really well behaved, does what it's asked, and causes no problems while tethered. As soon as you let it off the leash it craps in your front yard and tears up the neighbor's flower beds because it simply has too much freedom. Especially someone like George Lucas who is practically surrounded by "yes" men. These guys are talented, visionary, and have done much to progress the film industry. What they really need, and what we as fans really need, is someone to tell them "no".

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    • RaidenRadio wrote on another thread:
      assuming you aren't outright lying about [Shyamalan] even owning the film rights.

      Yes. Viacom sold him the movie rights. Sifu Kisu also confirmed it. The specific terms and expiration are not clear, but I believe it's limited to live-action adaptation not animated works. If want more detail, we can continue that discussion on this thread. For now, let's just move on. Icon_yawn.gif

      The more M. Night flops the more desperate he's going to become, and the more willing he'll be to sell the rights to someone for less to get funding for his next project.

      Well, he's not THAT desperate but he IS willing the get the movie rights off his books. Other major studios don't want them. Syfy has a history in making direct-to-TV adaptations out of movies that failed to produce sequels, such as Dungeons & Dragons TV movie sequels and Waterworld TV series. So, if there is an opportunity for Syfy to buy/license ATLA movie rights "for less", shouldn't he make it happen (e.g, "to get funding for his next project")? I don't see the problem here.

      [racebending.com is] a NON PROFIT Social Justic organization, not connected in anyway but name to the franchise. Why should the entire franchise suffer just because of one group of people they don't have to listen to?

      Because the racebending backlash is manufactured controversy that started from The Last Airbender movie. Unfortunately for other major studios, their own movie projects suffered blowbacks from the successful defamation campaign. WB's AKIRA was the first unintended casualty of the backlash. Box office returns were also impacted with 47 Ronin, Edge of Tomorrow, Exodus: Gods and Kings, etc., etc.. The studios will go on offensive with Pan, Gods of Egypt and other "whitewashed" projects. You think what Nick did to Korra when we still had the white Shredder was horrible? I'm not the one racebending.com should be concerned about.

      See, studios changing races of the characters into whites to cater their target audience and other logistics is not new. They did with movie adaptations of Speed Racer (2008) and Prince of Persia (2010). The mainstream media and critics never took issue with that until The Last Airbender (2010), just to hurt the competition and to make a whipping boy out of an Indian-American filmmaker. To flare-up the fanbase, they shone a big-ass spotlight on fringe "social justice" organizations, and criticize the "whitewashing" as if they give a shit about equal opportunity.

      It's [Will Smith] fault for recruiting that hack Shamhammer instead of a real director who didn't ruin the potential of the greatest animated series since NGE.

      Exactly my point. M.Night is not a box office poison. His haters are. In their unholy quest for vengeance, they are punishing Will Smith with nepotism and Scientology allegations for "ruining" a movie unrelated to AFTER EARTH, even if TLA sequels are not affected by its failure or success. Who cares about other people getting hurt as long they get their man. And they call me a troll. Eusa_snooty.gif

      Again, SYFY has a reputation for bad CGI. Bad acting. Bad movies.

      Yeah, but how else can you do a 6-hour movie in 3 parts for each book? I am sure they can put together a decent production in collaboration with The Asylum studio.

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    • So, if there is an opportunity for Syfy to buy/license ATLA movie rights "for less", shouldn't he make it happen (e.g, "to get funding for his next project")?

      I don't know, but probably not.

      I'm perfectly fine with Last Airbender fading into obscurity like Gargoyles, W.I.T.C.H., The DCAU etc. Because it means it'll still have a semblence of purity to it. It wont become oversaturated and ruined by the minds of lesser filmmakers. I don't want another live action Airbender, nobody but you wants another live action airbender.

      M.Night is not a box office poison. His haters are. their unholy quest for vengeance, they are punishing Will Smith with nepotism and Scientology allegations for "ruining" a movie unrelated to AFTER EARTH, even if TLA sequels are not affected by its failure or success.

      What the hell are uyou smoking What kind of illuminati conspiracy BS are you on about? THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY! We aren't punishing anyone, we aren't crusaders punishing heretics, were fans who were disappointed by a bad movie! Do I need to remind you I actually paid money to go see AE? I went in with an open mind. It sucked, and Shamhammer was the director.

      Michael Bay has just as many haters, but Studios don't take his name off of the movie because they're afraid of alienating their audience. Could it be that M. Night doesn't make bad movies people dont want to see? While Bay does make bad movies people WANT to see?

      Maybe if M. Night actually made good movies he wouldn't be where he is right now. If he had just produced the Airbender film and let someone else direc THe film would have at least been watchable, even with the casting.

      You can't ruin something that doesn't exist, and the TLA sequels are never happening bub. Get over it.

      Yeah, but how else can you do a 6-hour movie in 3 parts for each book?

      How about a Tv Show? Oh wait! We already have that! It's the original series!

      We don't want a live action airbender movie! We DO NOT NEED another live action movie!

      RE: Racebending

      Okay. First of all there was backlash against Speedracer and Prince of Persia. It's just that those films weren't connected to a franchise that was as popular as ATLA so the backlash didn';t get as much news coverage. ATLA happened to have a huge fanbase behind it that got the ball rolling.

      Secondly. Most people in the general audience don't put diversity on the top of the totem pole in terms of priorities. They want good stories first, and diversity for lead roles is icing on the cake. 47 Ronin and Exodus failed more due to being bad movies than the whitewashing. On top of them being bad movies. The majority of the Christian and Jewish Audience didn't like the Atheist stamp Ridley scott put on the Bible with Exodus (Everyone from Glenn Beck to Focus On The Family tore the movie a new one), and the Japanese Audience didn't go see 47 Ronin because they didn't like the liberties Hollywood took with one of their most beloved folk tales.

      Edge of Tomorrow got great reviews, but underperformed because it was marketed as an original product.The whitewashing certainly didn't help, but it was low on the set of priorities for the average viewer.

      Having said that studies show that things are changing for the better. Audiences do want diversity. . . and over 40% of film audiences are non-whites.

      The mainstream media and critics never took issue with that until The Last Airbender (2010), just to hurt the competition and to make a whipping boy out of an Indian-American filmmaker. To flare-up the fanbase, they shone a big-ass spotlight on fringe "social justice" organizations, and criticize the "whitewashing" as if they give a shit about equal opportunity. . . The studios will go on offensive with Pan, Gods of Egypt and other "whitewashed" projects.

      I repeat, people did take issue with the casting. It's just last airbender with its huge fanbase that got the ball rolling.

      Airbender and Exodus got the ball rolling, people are starting to become more aware of things like this. A good amount of people aren't going to go see these movies, and if they underperform, Hollywood will have no choice but to start being more inclusive, if only to mee their bottom line.

      If Hollywood wants our money they're going to have to start being more inclusive and give more lead roles to non whites.

      If it hadn't been Last Airbender, something else would have come along to raise the controversy and get the ball rolling for things to change.

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    • Why do I not watch more Jackie Chan movies?

      Uh...yeah, "conspiracy" is the best word for this. Either you are legitimately trolling--something I consider more & more every time you inflame this argument out of nowhere & complain about all of the strife "we" are causing--or you have completely lost your goddamn mind. Nobody complained about racism in movies before Last Airbender? Are you stoned? Did you pass the 2nd grade?

      Not to mention, even if that absurd nonsense were true, Argument from Hypocrisy fallacy. You might as well say that, because some people have gotten away with theft, we should never prosecute thieves.

      And the notion that a "vocal minority" got together & drove M. Night to ruin M. Night despite the "huge amount of support" for him? Why are we not running Hollywood ourselves if we're that good? That persecution complex is a thing of beauty.

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    • Hasdi wrote:

      Well, he's not THAT desperate but he IS willing the get the movie rights off his books. Other major studios don't want them. Syfy has a history in making direct-to-TV adaptations out of movies that failed to produce sequels, such as Dungeons & Dragons TV movie sequels and Waterworld TV series. So, if there is an opportunity for Syfy to buy/license ATLA movie rights "for less", shouldn't he make it happen (e.g, "to get funding for his next project")? I don't see the problem here. ... Yeah, but how else can you do a 6-hour movie in 3 parts for each book? I am sure they can put together a decent production in collaboration with The Asylum studio.

      actually at this point I would be satisfied with a syfy continuation of the trilogy, or a mini series (bbc Sherlock setup?). I can't kill the curiosity... what I would really like is a copy of M Nights' 2nd script. Just to read it

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    • I'd rather they continued the franchise in animation rather than reboot it in live action.

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    • ^ You mean ATLA do-over in animation ala Rebuild of Evangelion? Nick is not interested. Nick would have done it already. Nick still has the rights for animated movies of ATLA, just like Gainax still has the rights for animated movies of Evangelion. The live action rights for Evangelion is so tied-up in legal mess that all the work developing it ended up in Pacific Rim but I digress...

      If you want animation, you can re-watch the DVDs from the comfort of your basement.

      Winterfirstsnow* wrote:
      I would be satisfied with a syfy continuation of the trilogy, or a mini series

      For this franchise to thrive, our hope lies in a live-action remake of TLA, which is what this thread is all about. Syfy has done decent 6-hour live-action TV shows before like The Triangle, The Lost Room and Ascension, so they can do one 6-hour show for each ATLA book. The characters have to be aged-up to cater to Syfy's older audiences, so we're looking at twenty-somethings Aang, Katara, Sokka, Zuko, Azula, etc., etc.. With a lower budget, they can take risks with unproven talents of all races and ethnicities. Syfy still won't exclude whites from the cast as that would be culturally racist. Mike and Bryan might help out. The director is likely somebody new but experienced in making martial arts and SFX movies, but we can take comfort that it is at least artistically done under the care and guidance of M. Night Shyamalan. http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/8.gif

      RaidenRadio wrote:
      What kind of illuminati conspiracy BS are you on about? THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY!< We aren't punishing anyone, we aren't crusaders punishing heretics, were fans who were disappointed by a bad movie!

      AFTER EARTH opening week was swiftboated by the Scientology and nepotism allegations. The mainstream news and critics all jumped over that, including our friend at Republic City Dispatch. The allegations were quickly discredited[1][2] but by then, the damage to the US box office was done. Fortunately, the international box office shook it off. Nowadays, whenever the media talk about the "failure" of AFTER EARTH, they avoid talking about the allegations because they know it's all bullshit and have been called out for it. Ironically, M.Night ended as a martyr out of all this. That's how he is still making movies.[3]

      If Hollywood wants our money they're going to have to start being more inclusive and give more lead roles to non whites.

      Oh, don't you worry about that. Didn't you notice that WB racebent Aquaman with Jason Momoa and Deadshot with Will Smith? WB showed that races shouldn't matter in casting a lead character, so how can you fault WB for racebending Tiger Lily with Rooney Mara? WB also timed the Tiger Lily casting just when the fans were bitching on FOX for racebending the Human Torch with Michael B. Jordan. Don't be surprised if WB discredits you and racebending.com for being a hate group that uses equal opportunity and diversity as a pretext to attack white actors. These uptown funks gonna give it to you. Don't believe me just watch.

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      Do I need to remind you I actually paid money to go see AE?

      I wouldn't know. Don't blame M.Night for not taking your own advice on your own blog. Didn't you "humbly" request the anon not to see AFTER EARTH to protect it from a repeat of the First Airbender film in a sequel? "Regretting it yet?" Of course you did. Eusa_boohoo.gif

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Argument from Hypocrisy fallacy. You might as well say that, because some people have gotten away with theft, we should never prosecute thieves.

      Oh please. An appeal to hypocrisy does not mean a position (that is applied inconsistently) is wrong in the first place. Will Smith didn't do anything wrong for casting his own son in AFTER EARTH, so why do these self-righteous "racists" accuse him of nepotism when whites find no issues doing the same thing?

      [EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE]


      EDIT: I have hidden image on the Holly Fisher case per admin request to stay on-topic. Please continue the discussion racially-biased hipocrisy to this thread on my wall. Carry on, netizens.

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    • Jason Momoa is white with Hispanic heritage . . . There was actually some controversy about the Game of Thrones casting him as Khal because they Dothrahki were described in the books as 'dark-skinned.'

      From my experience a lot more people were tolerant of Michael B Jordan as Johnny Storm than The Girl With The Dragon Tatoo as Tiger Lily.

      Don't be surprised if WB discredits you and racebending.com for being a hate group that uses equal opportunity and diversity as a pretext to attack white actors.

      You forget that I'm white. I do not hate white actors. I DO hate it when a role for a character that is obviously intended to be a Person Of Color is always given to a white actor first, while stripping actors of color of opportunities to be seen as Human beings. Every single time

      It won't convince you. . . but. . .

      http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3183-Skin-Deep

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDeRe4K9vBw

      As for the Nepotism thing. We did call out the Nepotism when it came to the girl they cast for Katara. Nicola Peltz was recruited, DESPITE her subpar audition. Were just calling it as we see it. In the case of Nepotism, Race has nothing to do with it.

      As for the 'only difference thing"

      Neo is 100% right. Can someone report this jackass for putting something as offensive this on the page? The blackfaced Nicola Peltz was bad enough, But this is just crossing so many uncomfortable boundaries. There is a world of difference between those two. . .

      I give up. "Do not answer a fool according to his folly. Or he will see himself as the wiseman,'

      EDIT:

      and for the record. Anno bought back the rights to Evangelion, it's his studio Khara, NOT Gainax that owns the rights to the franchise and characters. Furthermore, Gainax is currently up to it's neck in debts. With the majority of it's talent jumping ship and moving to other studios, or founding their own (Studio Trigger is composed almost entirely of Ex-Gainax animators).

      And Guillermo Del Toro himself said in an Interview that he had never heard of or seen Evangelion before he began production on Pacific Rim. (Although his daughter did). He also went on to say that th 'Impact gel' that was injected into the suit was there by pure coincidence. 

      I have never seen Evangelion, I love the designs and am very familiar with the designs of the EVA robots and Angels, but I have never actually sat down to see the series. Some people pointed out - I don't know if Travis who wrote Pacific Rim saw Evangelion - they saw the gel that connects the people to the robots, I came up with that myself, without seeing Evangelion. I however fully acknowledge the influence of Patlabor, Ghost in the Shell, Tetsujin 28-go, Space Giants, Mazinger Z, and many many other anime that I have watched and enjoy.

      -Guillermo Del Toro

      Check out his Reddit AMA for further details.

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    • RaidenRadio wrote:
      Jason Momoa is white with Hispanic heritage

      Jason Momoa is Native American, moreso than Noah Ringer. His father is Native Hawaiian[1] and his mother is Native-American, Irish and German/[2]. He identifies himself as a minority who gets to play a blond-haired white superhero character.[3]

      "Aquaman is especially cool because being a Kanaka Maoli—being Hawaiian—our Gods are Kanaloa and Maui, and the Earth is 71 percent water, so I get to represent that. And I’m someone who gets to represent all the islanders, not some blond-haired superhero. It’s cool that there’s a brown-skinned superhero"
      Jason Momoa on playing Aquaman
      From my experience a lot more people were tolerant of Michael B Jordan as Johnny Storm than The Girl With The Dragon Tatoo as Tiger Lily.

      Right...

      You forget that I'm white. I do not hate white actors. I DO hate it when a role for a character that is obviously intended to be a Person Of Color is always given to a white actor first, while stripping actors of color of opportunities to be seen as Human beings.

      Unless, of course, the characters are animated. Wouldn't it be nice if we had more PoC voice actors on stage to represent their ATLA/TLoK characters at Comic-cons? Why don't you just come out and say this is about "cultural appropriation" rather than equal opportunity? In other words, Asian culture is for Asians only. White people should stick to white people s**t. >.<

      We did call out the Nepotism when it came to the girl they cast for Katara. Nicola Peltz was recruited, DESPITE her subpar audition.

      Did you guys call out nepotism when Jaden Smith was cast in Karate Kid? Of course you did.

      "Yes, Jaden Smith got the gig because of his parents - Will and Jada Smith are the top two producers. Yes, this smacks of nepotism. Yes, it sucks that the only way a black child actor can headline a film is to be descended from the #1 box office star in America. On the other hand: Jaden proves that he is an incredibly talented actor, who can carry a film just as well as the white child actors Hollywood is more inclined to hire. (Actually, he's far better than the vast majority of Hollywood child actors.) I think that's a step forward, if only a small one."
      — racebending.com, livejournal

      BTW, how do you know Nicola's audition was subpar? Oh yeah, because someone claimed to have seen a video of her auditioning last year. Funny thing is, it is Noah who had a videotape audition. Nicola had a live audition. There were other inconsistencies in her post that I suspect it is part of a smear campaign against Paramount, covertly disguised as a defense for M.Night. Even Paramount had to get Mike and Bryan counter some of her claims in the Nerdist interview.

      The blackfaced Nicola Peltz was bad enough, But this is just crossing so many uncomfortable boundaries. There is a world of difference between those two. . .

      Neo called me on appealing to hipocrisy, I countered with the Holly Fisher case. But I suppose you rather hear the spin from Faux News. Eusa_snooty.gif

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    • Neo called me on appealing to hipocrisy, I countered with the Holly Fisher case. But I suppose you rather hear the spin from Faux News.

      You're still appealing to Hypocrisy. You're just appealing to someone elses hypocrisy. To take attention away from the fact you're anything but right.

      Jason Momoa is Native American, moreso than Noah Ringer. 

      Okay, fair point. Admittedly I made a mistake there. Unlike you I'm willing to admit so.

      and yes, POC have been cast in traditionally white roles. But rarely if ever at the expense ofstripping white characters of their humanity.

      Did you guys call out nepotism when Jaden Smith was cast in Karate Kid?

      Proving my point. Racism has nothing to do with people pointing out Nepotism. There was also another key difference, Karate Kid was actually a good movie. AE and Last Airbender? Not so much.

      Checkthis out. It's pretty much a movie-length Plinkett-style breakdown of M Night's After Earth. Discussing how the movie failed, and how the Nepotism may have contributed to it, but it was the bad direction that killed the movie.

      Unless, of course, the characters are animated.

      Because Animation and Live Action film are completely seperate artistic mediums. Yet you refuse to acknowledge the difference

      Like I said before, (and which you fail to get through your head Hasdi), live action film and animation are different. The fact is, the film was live action where the appearance (and by extension the race and skintone of the character) matter, since they are being captured on camera as the action happens. NOT mocaped or CGI/ hand drawn animated where everything is created from scratch in the computer or on a pad of paper.

      I have to disagree. . . there will always be a way to differentiate a live action film from a CGI animated one one.  Even then, the voice for a character isn't necessarily the character him or herself. If there is anyone hateful here, it's not us. we don't consistently shove the film in non-film fans faces and claim it's a good film, and condemn anyone who doesn't see it as such for being a "M Night Hater' or an "Asian Supremacist".

      and for the record, Bryan and Mike made a concerted effort to cast more Asian actors after Mako came to them concerned about the lack of Asian actors on the show. In response to his request they recruited. . . James Hong, Keone Young, Daniel Dae Kim, Kristy Wu, Brian Tochi, Steven Yuen, among others. It's not perfect, but you've got to make baby steps before you can walk and run.

      But you've heard all that before and if it didn't convinve you once likely wont convince you if i repeated it a hundred more.

      Wouldn't it be nice if we had more PoC voice actors on stage to represent their ATLA/TLoK characters at Comic-cons? 

      It'd also be nice for Asian characters like Motoko Kusanagi, to be played by an actual Asian Actress, instead of Scarlett Johanson. But life ain't fair now is it? Maybe if you were as passionate about defending M Night Shyamalan's Last Airbender (and trashing Bryan and Mike who DO care about diversity) as you were about getting Asian Actors good strong, complex lead roles (LEAD SPEAKING Roles, Not the glorified Scenery you point to every time someone says there are no Asian roles In last Airbender) we wouldn't be here arguing now would we?

      Why don't you just come out and say this is about "cultural appropriation" rather than equal opportunity? In other words, Asian culture is for Asians only. White people should stick to white people s**t. 

      Okay, now you're just being nasty for the sake of being nasty. I don't really buy into everything, Racebending says. I agree with a few of their ideals, but at the end of the day one of the biggest gripes I have with them is their opinion on  Cultural Appropriation.

      Now about the whole, 'equal opportunity works both ways thing'. . . thats also a load of bullshit. Equal opportunity as applied to acting doesn't exist in Hollywood. Unlike other jobs where a persons race doesn't matter as long as they can get the job done. In Hollywood, where you have to work with an actors physical appearance, which is recorded as it appears IRL onto the camera. So you kind've have no choice but to discriminate based on appearance. 

      Furthermore, if Scarlett Johaanson, or Nicola Peltz didn't get the role, do you honestly think they would have trouble finding work elsewhere in other movies? Can you really say the same about actors like Diana Bang or Maggie Q?  

      When a studio gives a traditionally white role to an Asian, Black Person, Hispanic etc. they are opening opportunuties actors of color have never had before, and are very very hard to come by. When you give a role for a person of color to a white actor, you are taking away one of the few roles People of Color have.

      A good example would be a fat person taking a starving persons food, it's not right. . . it's selfish. It won't kill a fat person if he doesn't eat food that isn't his, so it won't kill a white actor if he decides to let an Asian actor play an Asian character instead of taking it away.

      My take on the whole thing? If you choose to put a culture that is not your own in a work of fiction or art. Do your research, hire consultants if you can afford it, and try to be as accurate to the real world as you possibly can, including casting people who have heritage in those cultures. That way. If people do point our inaccuracies, you can claim you tried to be as accurate as you possibly could. In a global society where information and opinion is instant Culture belongs to everyone, but it should be handled with a healthy amount of respect and courtesy. 

      Now a creator doesn't have to make a fantasy world accurate to the cultures they were inspired by. I I admit that. But to that I say . . .how does that add to the setting? How does that make it different, unique, believable and it's own product ? How does it make the setting it's own, and not just like dozens of other fantasy 'mixed' settings we've seen in dozens of other Novels, Films, and TV shows ?

      Bryan and Mike hired FIVE Cultural consultants for ATLA and LOK to get the culture as right as they could. M. Night Shamhammer and Frank Marshall didn't consult ONE.

       Funny thing is, it is Noah who had a videotape audition. Nicola had a live audition. 

      Again, big difference. Karate Kid was actually good!

      An audition is an audition, if she didn't think she could act in front of everyone, then she should have sent in an audition tape like Noah did. You honestly can't say she was so good in the part despite her skintone. You can't! 

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    • Per admin request, we can take this discussion of racially-biased hypocrisy (including alleged nepotism of Jaden and Nicola) to this thread on my wall. RaidenRadio, I'm going to address some of your points in other threads later if I have time and if I can.

      Getting back to the topic of 'TLA remake', Syfy is one of the few studios out there crazy enough to produce a reboot and put with the hate. When I gave the reasons why whites were not excluded in the movie and other valid casting concerns, I wasn't making excuses for M.Night. Any other director would have faced the same casting issues. Other major studios don't want to waste their money perpetuating the racebending backlash, especially after they were burned with 47 RONIN, EDGE OF TOMORROW, STAR TREK 2, EXODUS: GODS AND KINGS, etc., etc. AND when they have upcoming "whitewashed" movies like PAN and GODS OF EGYPT. If they can't put the genie back into the bottle, the logical thing to do is to "cut off the air supply" by shutting down this franchise, which Viacom can't do completely because ATLA movie rights are still floating out there, and ATLA comic book rights are still with Dark Horse Comics. If you think that's unfair, explain it to them, not me.

      As for the impending Syfy reboot with aged-up Team Avatar, I think Joseph Kahn would be an excellent director. He is not an A-lister but he has a good eye in making martial arts and SFX movies, as evidenced with the POWER/RANGERS deboot. I also like him because he also defended AFTER EARTH while haters bullied M.Night and Will Smith. Be forewarned, the POWER/RANGERS deboot is rated "Mature" for martial arts/gun violence, blood gore, drug-use and sex scenes. The version on youtube shows two females making out in their undies, while the version on vimeo has them showing off their boobies. -__- Yeah, I think can we can tone down the "darkness" and grittiness" for ATLA deboot.

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    • Hey, jumping in here... First I want to say that I think your points were very reasonable, Raiden, and I agree with most of it, there just this one piece I'm going to challenge a bit

      RaidenRadio wrote: Now about the whole, 'equal opportunity works both ways thing'. . . thats also a load of bullshit. Equal opportunity as applied to acting doesn't exist in Hollywood. Unlike other jobs where a persons race doesn't matter as long as they can get the job done. In Hollywood, where you have to work with an actors physical appearance, which is recorded as it appears IRL onto the camera. So you kind've have no choice but to discriminate based on appearance. 

      Furthermore, if Scarlett Johaanson, or Nicola Peltz didn't get the role, do you honestly think they would have trouble finding work elsewhere in other movies? Can you really say the same about actors like Diana Bang or Maggie Q?  

      white actors have to fight for jobs just as hard as anyone else. True, there may be more auditions for them to go on, but there's also a huge number of "look alikes" (or close enough to) waiting in the wings to take their spot. An agent has he luxury of only sending his favorite blonds to a casting director, but if he only has one Asian actor in the 18-27 age range, he will send only her over and over. It's a big fish-little pond vs little fish-giant ocean scenario. And I definitely think that Asian actors need a chance to make in big in Hollywood, but being white isn't exactly a huge advantage because so are the other 60-70% of American actors.


      side note: If the concern is for Asian/Asian American actors to have jobs, then it is important whether they are hired to voice characters, even though their appearance/heritage doesn't affect their work (well I suppose some actor's pronunciation could affect it but that goes for everybody)

      Edit: Sorry Hasdi, we were typing at the same time and I didn't see your post

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    •  If they can't put the genie back into the bottle, the logical thing to do is to "cut off the air supply" by shutting down this franchise, which Viacom can't do completely because ATLA movie rights are still floating out there, and ATLA comic book rights are still with Dark Horse Comics. If you think that's unfair, explain it to them, not me.

      The controversy existed before Airbender it will continue long after. I also see you failed to mention the upcoming Ghost InThe Shell and Akira Remakes.

      Syfy is one of the few studios out there crazy enough to produce a reboot and put with the hate.

      You make it sound like we're a legion. Anyways, given Sci-Fi's reputation. . . I doubt it'll last more than one miniseries. People just wont be interested in it, because it'll be bad. They don't have a good reputation for delivering quality material. 

      Furthermore Syfy kind've doesn't have a big enough budget to do a 'Game Of Thrones' style show. 

       As for the impending Syfy reboot with aged-up Team Avatar,

      Where is the evidence that it's 'impending' I haven't seen any news about it. 

      I think Joseph Kahn would be an excellent director. He is not an A-lister but he has a good eye in making martial arts and SFX movies, as evidenced with the POWER/RANGERS deboot.

      Agreed there, at least he would make a last airbender movie that was watchable. But more on why I think e wouldn't be a good director later.

      But it's unlikely he'll be connected, just like it's unlikely SyFy will bother producing an Airbender TV Show because its out of realistic possibility financially speaking for them to produce a 'game of thrones' style show on their budgets the foreseeable future. If it is ever produced it likely wont be good given their reputation for cheap, poorly, made, low budget tv movies and miniseries.

      I wonder what his opinion on Last Airbender is, especially considering he's Asian himself. . . would he be kind enough to actually cast a couple Asian or dark skinned people as Katara, Sokka, Aang, Zuko, and Iroh?

      Yeah, I think can we can tone down the "darkness" and grittiness" for ATLA deboot.

      You kind've failed to see that the whole thing was meant to be an over the top parody/satire of Superhero movies and 'grim gritty' superhero comics, particularly, Man of Steel and Dark Knight. It asks the question, where are the benefits of turning childrens cartoons, into films this over the top violent? 

       The approach a theoretical reboot to ATLA would need to have is a Marvel Superhero/Pixar approach. Where the setting does have serious consequences, and high stakes. But at the same time you don't have to worry about terrifying or depressing kids with things like that.

      I like my swearing and violence, but I don't want to see that in a live action airbender. The show itself set a pretty high standard, it could be dark without being explicit. Nothing is a horrifying as what a talented director can imply off-screen.

      Having said that, if they could show a full scale fight on par with th ebattle scenes in LOTR that the cartoon couldn't do because of budget constraints. I also like to see that,

      Furthermore, the director of this theoretical live action airbender needs to be skilled invisual comedy , as much as he is skilled in shooting an action scene.  orboth

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    • Joseph Khan- they guy who directed "blank space"? Well it'd definitely be interesting. erm, I wouldn't call ATLA a 'Game of Throne' style show or compare it to LOTR though. It's epic for what it is, but it's just not at that level

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    • In terms of epic scope on a TV budget, yes. Not in terms of violent or sickeningly perverted content. The books aren't nearly as explicit as the show. Most of the torture and explicit events happen off-page in the book, but are put right in front of you on the TV Show.

      As much as I'd enjoy seeing something like Game of thrones done with  ATLA. I draw the line at things like showing incredible violence. I don't need to see the Air Nomad Genocide happening, just knowing it happened was more than enough,

      Though I will say a live action airbender would need at least a PG-13 rating.

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    • Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire isn't sickeningly perverted content, it's good fiction. They show breasts and the occasional penis, big deal. As for Theon Grayjoy's torture, funny you should mention it, as I just rewatched season 3 and I had noticed how most of the torture was actually implied and left to the imagination. Little was explicitly shown. Even then, we needed to see this to understand where he's at later in season four as Reek. Otherwise, why would this proud man ever listen to Ramsey Snow and believe that he's only pretending to be Theon Grayjoy?

      When "Game of Thrones style" was brought up, I thought we were talking about multiple production teams following multiple groups of characters (how GoT is running a few crews in various locations to film the show's various characters/plotlines simultaneously). ATLA sort of did this in the narrative with Aang's group with focus on Zuko as well. Seems like this wouldn't particularly be necessary. I don't particularly want Avatar to be grit or heavy political intrigue, I like it having solid themes and storytelling, with lighthearted fun and dazzling martial arts scenes, but again, for me, it goes back to the franchise belonging in animation and not live action.

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    •  I don't particularly want Avatar to be grit or heavy political intrigue,

      We did get some political intrigue with Book 2: Earth, and parts of LOK, though they could've been handled a lot better. 

      When "Game of Thrones style" was brought up, I thought we were talking about multiple production teams following multiple groups of characters (how GoT is running a few crews in various locations to film the show's various characters/plotlines simultaneously). 

      Exactly, thats the point i'm trying to make. In animation you can get a lot more for your money. it's a lot easier to draw a great wall of china, than it is to actually travel to China and film there.

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    • It wasn't heavy into political intrigue, a little is fine, but we're not talking plots within plots, within schemes, with more conniving. And, along with what you point out, this isn't their forte in Avatar.

      But, I think we more or less agree.

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    • Can someone explain to me what exactly Hasdi's "counterargument" to me is even supposed to mean?

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    • Basically, he was still appealing to hypocrisy. Just someone elses hypocrisy.

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    • I don't even know whom I'm supposed to be agreeing with or what it has to do with this thread.

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    • ^ Appealing to hypocrisy can be used to discredit a wrong position, e.g., "we should never prosecute thieves", but it can also be used to discredit a right position, e.g., being prepared to fight for your country and what you believe in. Some people refuse to accept what M.Night and Will Smith did is right, even though it is fine for others to do it, due to racial bias and/or other cognitive biases. Yes, it really has nothing to do with 'TLA remake' thread so we can talk more on this thread on my wall. GTG. TTYL.

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    • I suppose we could observe the reaction to Disney's live action "Mulan" as a test run of sorts... might have some implications for us

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    • ^ Not a fair comparison because the animated Mulan had mostly Asian voice actors in the lead roles. The setting is also China itself rather than an alternate planet. Although, the animation had Japanese voice actors play the Emperor of China (Pat Morita) and Mulan's primary ancestor (George Takei). The live-action Mulan need to do something about that, considering that Disney wants to tap into China's box office. xP

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      ^ Not a fair comparison because the animated Mulan had mostly Asian voice actors in the lead roles. The setting is also China itself rather than an alternate planet. 

      you're right, it's not a fair comparison to the TLA world/film

      But if it does well domestically, someone might want to give M Night a little $$$ to make an asian inspired movie. Kinda like the twilight rip off series ect. 

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    • Keep in mind, Disney released this movie barely a month before The Last Airbender without the racebending backlash.

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      Will Disney cast Asian leads for their live-action Mulan movie? I think so, particularly Mulan and Captain Li Shang, but the rest of the cast may be non-Asians. If the audience wants a live-action Mulan with an authentic all-Asian cast, that movie is already released back in 2009 and available for purchase on Amazon.

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    • Winterfirstsnow* wrote:
      But if [live-action Mulan] does well domestically, someone might want to give M Night a little $$$ to make an Asian inspired movie.

      Hmmm... I think Disney is banking more on the fanbase of Disney Princess movie franchise rather than the live-action Mulan movie being Asian-inspired (although the China's box-office angle is also at play). See, the $$$ you get to make ANY movie depends on A) the lead actors' popularity, B) the producer/director's reputation, and C) the concept and/or IP. Adi Shankar put together a video that explains what it takes to get Dredd 2 financed, which may be applicable here. Excuse his f-bombs.

      Kinda like the twilight rip off series ect.

      Ooh.... don't get me started on the behind-the-scenes drama for the 50 Shades of Grey movie. -__-

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    • I saw the last airbender on syfy 3 times. too bad the sequels will never happened.

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    • People in polar regions have, on average, darker skin than you'd expect from the latitude, due to the refracted sunlight. Gene flow is also a thing, as they clearly migrated across the world, & their ancestors may have lived near the equator for some time. In general, people in the Water Tribe run the gamut, but those in the south are more likely to have dark skin.

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    • Mihaibozesan wrote: First of all, I didn't read all of the posts. /

      you can write a long post but you can't read one?

      meh *shrug*

      First, we need to list a few directors worth of a film with such a potential. My nominees are the following:

      Imma stop you right there. Why are you picking the most expensive directors in Hollywood? This makes no sense... ATLA is not LOTR, not even close. It's a great show, but Mike and Brian did not inspire generations of authors nor influence the world as Tolkien did.

      First TLA movie mistakes that should not be commited again: The beginning(the genesis of the story) should be insisted on, unlike M Night's brief take. The first episode's first 10 minutes should be adapted entirely and for Katara's story about the world and the war, it would be nice to show actual benders while she tells it and images relative to what she says unlike just some text with voiceover. For example: "A hundred years ago, the Fire Nation started a war..."

      ...you're kidding. That's exactly what he did, before it got cut. There are still photos of the original opening floating around.

      Another mistake to be rightened is the Kyoshi Warriors who weren't included in M Night's take on the movie(shame on you M. Night).

      huh, I guess you didn't watch the French trailer

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    • I've seen a lot of the cut material. The movie is arguably better for not having it. Which is sad.

      Except he wouldn't have to read 1 long post, but according to the code on your reply, 216 posts.

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    • ^true... but some are only 2-3 sentences, it's not too much to scan quickly :)

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    • Hope that the reboot will be better and look like what had happened in the cartoon.

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    • ^ ICYMI, we're getting a sequel from M.Night. The reboot didn't work out. Sorry not sorry.

      BTW, reboot or not, with or without M.Night, Kyoshi Warriors may not show up in the movies at all. I suggest you check out the upcoming Smoke and Shadow graphic novels from Gene Yang.

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    • I honestly can say that, if another TLA movie does happen - and I won't believe it until I see something concrete from a reputable source other than Shyamalan - I will definitely be giving it a pass, and so IMO will the vast majority of people who saw the first one because it was such an abject failure.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      I honestly can say that, if another TLA movie does happen - and I won't believe it until I see something concrete from a reputable source other than Shyamalan - I will definitely be giving it a pass, and so IMO will the vast majority of people who saw the first one because it was such an abject failure.

      ^^ Right and besides, M. Night may say that he wants to do a Tla 2 movie, but i has to be either get greenlit by paramount or nick or has to be picked up by another studio(Not likley since paramount owns the rights to the fanchise and i dont see them selling it any time soon, i belive that they had barly renwed it i belive.) So i would count that as a roumor.

      Edit:Oops, i ment to say the ip, (NOT ANY MOVIES AS OF NOW. THAT WE KNOW OF.) sorry forgot to put that in there.

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    • ^ No, M.Night bought the movie rights from Nick, and convinced Paramount to finance his trilogy. Nick still keeps the remaining non-movie rights including the animated series and comics. Since most fans think he is full of shit, Sifu Kisu confirmed it years back[1]:

      Wood Dragon: Seriously, though: Philadelphia? Yeah, that place just screams "Fire Kingdom". Recast the Director.
      Zenshiite: Why the hell would you get a director who rarely works outside of the Philadelphia area for any of his movies?
      lokhopkeun (Sifu Kisu): They didn't "get a director" M. Night bought the rights......

      Most people can't wrap their heads around this, under mistaken belief that "Nick would never hurt their crown jewel'". If Nick really cared about ATLA back then, Eric Coleman would never defect to Disney.[2]

      Anyhow, if Paramount does not exercise their options for the sequels (before their contract with M.Night cast expire), then M.Night can approach other major studios for funding. The new management at Paramount is friendly to M.Night, but they are strapped for cash so I don't see them funding the sequels, at least by themselves. However, I do see Paramount selling the production to another studio before their contracts with the main cast (Dev Patel, Nicola Petlz, Rathbone, etc., etc.) expire...

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    • I got a question. if the movie is too much like in the cartoon version, will it be too bad or better?

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    • The animated series was brilliant IMO, so being more like the source material in and of itself is not bad, as long as the execution is well-done. Personally, I am in favor of adaptations adhering to the source material as a general rule - with some exceptions. 

      Ultimately though, to me what matters the most is that the movie is good, regardless of how closely it cleaves to the source material...but the closer it is to the source material, the better - usually. Not always, but usually.

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    • It could be kind of cool to diverge quite a bit from the original story and make a side story or otherwise something in the continuity or setting.

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    • True, it could potentially be interesting. Thing to remember though is that ultimately the central cast is, in the case of ATLA, Aang and his immediate allies - Katara, Toph, Suki, Zuko, and Meat-and-Sarcasm-Guy(Sokka) principally - though there are others. But it's difficult to stray too far from that core cast without running the risk of alienating the fanboys.

      It's a fine line to walk. Done right, it could be brilliant though, and I'd love to see it myself.

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    • there are some portions of the plot that could possibly be changed for the better, I think... For example the earthbenders'prison could easily be replaced with a new side story in the earthkingdom. And the ending would hopefully be new, so long as none of the main characters die!

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      The animated series was brilliant IMO, so being more like the source material in and of itself is not bad, as long as the execution is well-done. Personally, I am in favor of adaptations adhering to the source material as a general rule - with some exceptions. 

      Ultimately though, to me what matters the most is that the movie is good, regardless of how closely it cleaves to the source material...but the closer it is to the source material, the better - usually. Not always, but usually.

      It's mean that if the movie looks more look like the animated one, it will be better right?

      Yet, can't entirely look like as well, right?

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    • If it was the exact same thing as the show, there'd be almost no point in seeing it. Movies based on something, be it a show, book, game, etc, must have something "extra" that makes it worth seeing, not just a copy of the thing it was based on. This is always, a risk though, because you don't want it to go super far from the source material, otherwise it'd just be something entirely different.

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      It's mean that if the movie looks more look like the animated one, it will be better right?

      Not necessarily. I'm saying that in most cases, the less an adaptation diverges from the source material as a rule, the better it tends to be. That being said, SS21 said it perfectly: A straight rehash of the source material is going to the opposite extreme, and therefore just as undesirable. 

      IMHO, the best movie adaptations of other material such as books etc... are the ones that are able to strike the right balance between staying as faithful to the source material as possible while at the same time setting themselves apart in some meaningful way. Change enough to stand out, but at the same time stay true to the original material. The Marvel Cinematic Universe films are an excellent example, because they manage for the most part to stay true to the material they are based on, while at the same time being distinct and separate enough to stand on their own. 

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    • Thank you for showing me the link. Honestly, while the film did have its moments, it showed room for improvement. It would have been a better idea to make each book a two-parter or to create extended editions like they did with Lord of the Rings.

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    • Here is my idea:

      One episode for Book One: Water

      One episode for B2: Earth, from 'The Avatar State' to 'The Drill'

      One episode for the rest of B2: Earth, starting with a small forward of 'Appa's Lost Days'

      One episode for B3: Fire, with the 'final battle' being the failed invasion

      One final episode for the rest of the series.

      Would a good title of this series just be called 'Airbender'?

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    • Would they be extended?

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    • Part of the reason they should be extended is because you would have to see scenes from the other episodes, like how in the beginning of the first film, you see The Boy in the Iceberg, The Avatar Returns, The Southern Air Temple and Imprisoned when they could've shown the episodes before Imprisoned and include The Storm.

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    • I know, each episode is a movie.

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    • One of the best episodes I wish they had used in the film was The Storm. It was one the greatest reasons I loved the original series.

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    • I thought they could include more flashbacks into both Aang's and Zuko's lives before their respective journeys.

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    • Like for Zuko, the war meeting? And for Aang, the discovery that he was the Avatar?

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      Like for Zuko, the war meeting? And for Aang, the discovery that he was the Avatar?

      If that was what was shown, yes. Zuko's flashback was never shown in the movie.

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    • I once looked at the novelized film version of The Last Airbender called Zuko's Story, and it showed him on the streets of the Fire Nation and how Azula got him his ship and how Iroh got him the crew. He also met with Guru Pathik who said that his fate had been intertwined with the Avatar's.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Here is my idea:

      One episode for Book One: Water

      One episode for B2: Earth, from 'The Avatar State' to 'The Drill'

      One episode for the rest of B2: Earth, starting with a small forward of 'Appa's Lost Days'

      One episode for B3: Fire, with the 'final battle' being the failed invasion

      One final episode for the rest of the series.

      Would a good title of this series just be called 'Airbender'?

      Sounds good to me, kind of like Isabel. Right?

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      I once looked at the novelized film version of The Last Airbender called Zuko's Story, and it showed him on the streets of the Fire Nation and how Azula got him his ship and how Iroh got him the crew. He also met with Guru Pathik who said that his fate had been intertwined with the Avatar's.

      As if Azula would ever do that for him, though it would make sense that she pick the shittiest one.

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    • Azula only did it to show her superiority complex.

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    • Actually, the part where Azula helps him was one of the things that I thought the comic did really well. By the time Zuko asks for her help, it's pretty clear he's eventually going to die on the streets of the capital -- either from lack of food, shelter, or proper medical care for his wound.

      I get the impression that Azula helps him purely to keep a member of the royal family from dying in such a pathetic way right in front of her. Sort of a, "if you're going to do something so stupid as die, please go do it somewhere else."

      Either that or she has a fleeting moment of sympathy, and that's how she covers it up. Whatever her reasons, it gets Iroh out of her hair as well, so she's no doubt happy about that.

      I know the comic isn't canon, of course, but I like to think that Azula had some concern for Zuko during her lifetime, despite her multiple attempts to murder him.

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    • If they remake this film, hoping that Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors will appear.

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      If they remake this film, hoping that Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors wikl appear.

      So was I. They ended up being cut from the film for whatever reason. They were supposed to be combined with the "Imprisoned" scenes, but I hoped they would've remained seperate.

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    • They did show the Kyoshi Warriors in a deleted scene.

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    • You mean when they were wandering the EK village in disguise? 

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