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  • Will Bolin learn metal bending as well as earthbending??? I mean if he could learn lavabending which seems to be much harder than metalbending could he learn metalbending and maybe seismic sense as well.

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    • Maybe.  It's possible that he'd at least continue to try.  But what I really want to see him learning is seismic sense and truthseeing:  Considering that he can no more dissemble than airbend, it'd be just as thematically appropriate as the lavabending.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote: Maybe.  It's possible that he'd at least continue to try.  But what I really want to see him learning is seismic sense and truthseeing:  Considering that he can no more dissemble than airbend, it'd be just as thematically appropriate as the lavabending.

      He should get hold of all of it. He's already an earthbender of the typical variety, but discovering he can lavabend should be a big, huge confidence boost, after his lack of success with metalbending. Seeing that he can command one powerful manifestation of earth SHOULD make him all the more eager to master earth's other manifestation, and if he and Korra are learning to master metal and lava FROM TOPH (as I have a sneaking suspicion they will), Bolin will learn all the other stuff that comes along with it, including the Seismic Sense (and it's sub-subskill, Truthseeing). Even maybe Sandbending. I'm pretty sure when Toph taught Lin and Suyin, she gave them the best tutoring possible, to make it VERY hard to put them in a situation where they would be caught flat-footed (pun intended), and she'll do the same for Bolin and Korra.

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    • I don't think Bolin is capable of Metalbending. As pessimistic as that may sound, think about all the unique benders we've seen so far; It seems that most benders are only capable of learning a single bending subskill.

      We've seen Firebenders learn Combustionbending, but not Lightning Generation, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Waterbenders learn to use Hydrokenesis, but not Bloodbending, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Earthbenders learn Lavabending, but not Metalbending, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Airbenders who can fly, but can't use Astral Projection, and vice-versa.

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    • ShadowRaptor101 wrote:
      I don't think Bolin is capable of Metalbending. As pessimistic as that may sound, think about all the unique benders we've seen so far; It seems that most benders are only capable of learning a single bending subskill.

      We've seen Firebenders learn Combustionbending, but not Lightning Generation, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Waterbenders learn to use Hydrokenesis, but not Bloodbending, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Earthbenders learn Lavabending, but not Metalbending, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Airbenders who can fly, but can't use Astral Projection, and vice-versa.

      Not always.... a bender can have 2 subskills within a single element.... Toph had seismic sense and metalbending, Katara had both healing and bloodbending... It is very possible.... and him joining the Metal Clan might be a hint that at the very least he still has a desire to do it. Plus why not make him the first to do both?

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    • Seismic sense is a just an extension of Metalbending; they both are acheived via being able to detect microscopic aspects of the Earth.

      Also, I specifically said "most benders" for a reason.

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    • ShadowRaptor101 wrote:
      Seismic sense is a just an extension of Metalbending; they both are acheived via being able to detect microscopic aspects of the Earth.

      Also, I specifically said "most benders" for a reason.

      Bearing in mind that you say this in the context of discussing Bolin, whom is already an exceptional earthbender, with a very rare ability to boot. He is a pretty good candidate to fall into the catagory of that special minority.

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    • Hmmm. I don't think he'll learn metalbending, simply because it doesn't seem to coincide with her personality. Like, would you expect Aang to learn lightning generation? No way. Same deal. Metalbending is too precise and refined for someone like Bolin who is extremely talented, but not necessarily very delicate with his earthbending. Lavabending is the only subskill i see him with tbh.

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote: Hmmm. I don't think he'll learn metalbending, simply because it doesn't seem to coincide with her personality. Like, would you expect Aang to learn lightning generation? No way. Same deal. Metalbending is too precise and refined for someone like Bolin who is extremely talented, but not necessarily very delicate with his earthbending. Lavabending is the only subskill i see him with tbh.

      This season seems to be the best season for him to finally do it. Metalbending is also mental that deals with pressure and pain.... i feel like this season, he might just do it....maybe to get out of the prison camp or to get out of the chains on the way to the prison camp...... this is a much better season for it..... his lavabending is awesome though.....but i do think it is possible.

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Hmmm. I don't think he'll learn metalbending, simply because it doesn't seem to coincide with her personality. Like, would you expect Aang to learn lightning generation? No way. Same deal. Metalbending is too precise and refined for someone like Bolin who is extremely talented, but not necessarily very delicate with his earthbending. Lavabending is the only subskill i see him with tbh.

      Why not? He's the avatar, he is a bender of all elements. While perhaps it wouldn't be his preferred bending style for most situations, it would be useful and enlightening to learn. And if it is to be argued that it isn't important for him to try and learn as much bending as reasonably possible, why even bother learning all four basic elements? Why is that so crucial, but actually mastering and expanding upon them isn't?

      "Not necessarily very delicate with his earthbending" what show are you watching? Bolin is extremely precise with his bending and has numerous feats of precise strikes in addition to great timing. Him being a high ranking Pro bender alone is testament to that. Look at his "light on your feet" style of earthbending, flowing and quick, accurate and striking at vulnerabilities.

      I'm not even saying I'm expecting to see him as a metalbender, but I'm not seeing any reason why he could never be one aside from maybe his confidence.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:

      Why not? He's the avatar, he is a bender of all elements. 

      Bolin isn't the Avatar. Korra is. He can only earthbend. 

      And lavabending is already an incredible skill, and I don't think Bryke are going to make him any more OP than any other character (besides Korra) by giving him every subskill to exist in his art. If anyone is going to both lavabend and metalbend, its going to be Toph. She has the experience and the connectedness with Earth to achieve such a feat. I love Bolin, don't get me wrong. But I just don't think he'll be able to access metalbending. The whole plot point of Bolin in book 3 was to encapsulate the ideals of 'sometimes what you're good at is something you've never tried yet'. If he just starts metalbending this season, the impact of him learning lavabending would be diminished. It doesn't seem like something Bryke would do. 

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Weltall8000 wrote:

      Why not? He's the avatar, he is a bender of all elements. 

      Bolin isn't the Avatar. Korra is. He can only earthbend. 

      And lavabending is already an incredible skill, and I don't think Bryke are going to make him any more OP than any other character (besides Korra) by giving him every subskill to exist in his art. If anyone is going to both lavabend and metalbend, its going to be Toph. She has the experience and the connectedness with Earth to achieve such a feat. I love Bolin, don't get me wrong. But I just don't think he'll be able to access metalbending. The whole plot point of Bolin in book 3 was to encapsulate the ideals of 'sometimes what you're good at is something you've never tried yet'. If he just starts metalbending this season, the impact of him learning lavabending would be diminished. It doesn't seem like something Bryke would do. 


      They have a tendecy to surprise people and lets be honest, we would all be surprised if Bolin, who could never get metalbending, gets lavabending and then years  later, goes through a deep emotional state, and metalbends.... he would be the first metalbending lavabender. Plus if he got metalbending, he would not have ALL of teh subskills of his element.... he would be missing seismic sense. And when he said "he's the avatar" he was referring to Aang.... but no, I do believe that he COULD metalbend this season.... many benders have 2 subskills whether its metalbending and seismic sense, healing and bloodbending, lighting direction and redirection (they are considered 2 separate subskills) etc..... so Bolin can have 2 why not be the first for earth to have those two subskills? why stop at lavabending when metalbending can be useful? This season actually seems like a more fitting season for him to learn it anyways.....

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    • I personally think that lavabending is the result of having a connection to fire, since before Ghazan the only people previously seen to be lavabending were Avatars.  While Ghazan's parentage isn't revealed, Bolin is the child of an earthbender and a firebender, so it's possible that being born of both elements is what gives him the ability to lavabend.  This is my theory anyway.


      As for metalbending, it's a very refined art and requires a certain amount of focus, and Bolin, while he is unmatched in his style of earthbending, just isn't focused enough.  He's too easily distracted and discouraged, never able to keep his mind in one place for very long.  Metal is stubborn and requires you to be able take a very precise state of mind to manipulate it, and Bolin just doesn't have that measure of self-control.  He's proven it many times.


      He rambles, his mind wanders, he's a very unfocused indivdual.  I don't see him learning to metalbend, nor do I see the need for him to do so.  Lavabending was instinctive for him in the cave.  He didn't have to think about it.  He just did it.  Metalbending, though, does require clear and precise thought, and Bolin just isn't capable of that.

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Weltall8000 wrote:

      Why not? He's the avatar, he is a bender of all elements. 

      Bolin isn't the Avatar. Korra is. He can only earthbend. 

      And lavabending is already an incredible skill, and I don't think Bryke are going to make him any more OP than any other character (besides Korra) by giving him every subskill to exist in his art. If anyone is going to both lavabend and metalbend, its going to be Toph. She has the experience and the connectedness with Earth to achieve such a feat. I love Bolin, don't get me wrong. But I just don't think he'll be able to access metalbending. The whole plot point of Bolin in book 3 was to encapsulate the ideals of 'sometimes what you're good at is something you've never tried yet'. If he just starts metalbending this season, the impact of him learning lavabending would be diminished. It doesn't seem like something Bryke would do. 

      I was talking about Aang in the first paragraph.

      Toph discovered a new earthbending skillset in metalbending, along with her sandbending, truthseeing, seismic sense, and conventional earthbending. That is a ton of stuff to master. That said, why couldn't another exceptional bender be able to replicate or surpass her? Bolin is already an extremely accomplished bender.

      While that was a nice life lesson, he very well could further expand his skills through hard work and determination. He gave up on metalbending due to confidence problems, perhaps he could do it, if he believes in himself and tries hard. Toph was able to draw the skill out of a bunch of nobodies in the comics after ATLA. Bolin probably could too, he just needs to realize it.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Weltall8000 wrote:

      Why not? He's the avatar, he is a bender of all elements. 

      Bolin isn't the Avatar. Korra is. He can only earthbend. 

      And lavabending is already an incredible skill, and I don't think Bryke are going to make him any more OP than any other character (besides Korra) by giving him every subskill to exist in his art. If anyone is going to both lavabend and metalbend, its going to be Toph. She has the experience and the connectedness with Earth to achieve such a feat. I love Bolin, don't get me wrong. But I just don't think he'll be able to access metalbending. The whole plot point of Bolin in book 3 was to encapsulate the ideals of 'sometimes what you're good at is something you've never tried yet'. If he just starts metalbending this season, the impact of him learning lavabending would be diminished. It doesn't seem like something Bryke would do. 

      I was talking about Aang in the first paragraph.

      Toph discovered a new earthbending skillset in metalbending, along with her sandbending, truthseeing, seismic sense, and conventional earthbending. That is a ton of stuff to master. That said, why couldn't another exceptional bender be able to replicate or surpass her? Bolin is already an extremely accomplished bender.

      While that was a nice life lesson, he very well could further expand his skills through hard work and determination. He gave up on metalbending due to confidence problems, perhaps he could do it, if he believes in himself and tries hard. Toph was able to draw the skill out of a bunch of nobodies in the comics after ATLA. Bolin probably could too, he just needs to realize it.

      Bolin CAN learn metalbending... he just needs to believe he can do it and focus.... I mean why not... what is so wrong with a bender having 2 subskills when many already do.... Bolin needs confidence and I believe he can still get it.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:

      I was talking about Aang in the first paragraph.

      Toph discovered a new earthbending skillset in metalbending, along with her sandbending, truthseeing, seismic sense, and conventional earthbending. That is a ton of stuff to master. That said, why couldn't another exceptional bender be able to replicate or surpass her? Bolin is already an extremely accomplished bender.

      While that was a nice life lesson, he very well could further expand his skills through hard work and determination. He gave up on metalbending due to confidence problems, perhaps he could do it, if he believes in himself and tries hard. Toph was able to draw the skill out of a bunch of nobodies in the comics after ATLA. Bolin probably could too, he just needs to realize it.

      Whoooooooops sorry! And fair enough :) I see where you are coming from now. I guess Bolin has matured a lot this season. Maybe he will. I'd still prefer if he didn't (simply because then everyone will be waay more powerful than Korra haha), but it is definitely a possibility. 

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    • He wouldn't be more powerful than Korra completely, only in earthbending. And why you guys think that Toph will come back and teach people a ton of things. I do think that she will come back but I think that it will be more of a sage advisor will play an important part in helping Korra find a way to defeat Kuvira. I doubt that she'll be in more than two or three more episodes. If anything Toph will fight Kuriva and lose which will prompt Korra see the strength that is inside her and beat Kuvira.

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    • Cliffrussell wrote:
      He wouldn't be more powerful than Korra completely, only in earthbending. And why you guys think that Toph will come back and teach people a ton of things. I do think that she will come back but I think that it will be more of a sage advisor will play an important part in helping Korra find a way to defeat Kuvira. I doubt that she'll be in more than two or three more episodes. If anything Toph will fight Kuriva and lose which will prompt Korra see the strength that is inside her and beat Kuvira.

      Toph's role in the overall plot is over. She helped Korra realize the traces of metal in her body when no one can, and parted some wisdom into her thick head, enabling Korra to re-enter the avatar state. Her apperance was a plot device, and a revelation to the fans that she's still alive. But that's as far as it goes. As far as the plot is concerned, Toph's role is over.

      Besides, as I explained in a different thread, it is very rare for former characters to make a comeback and kick the main antagonist's butt when they aren't the main protagonist. All the talk about "Toph is gonna kick Kuvira's butt," as well as previous incarnations I happen to recall "Iroh is gonna beat the crap out of his little brother Ozai" is wishful thinking. Protagonists handle antagonists in the end. 

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:

      Toph discovered a new earthbending skillset in metalbending, along with her sandbending, truthseeing, seismic sense, and conventional earthbending. That is a ton of stuff to master. That said, why couldn't another exceptional bender be able to replicate or surpass her? Bolin is already an extremely accomplished bender.

      Toph couldn't sandbend.  As a matter of fact she hated sand because she couldn't manipulate it or "see" with it like she could solid earth because of how loose and shifty it is.  She was never shown to sandbend at any point in the series.  Her stopping the library from sinking wasn't sandbending.  That was her bending the stone of the library itself to keep it above ground.

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    • You're wrong, she did sandbend. Remember the episode where Team Avatar was at the beach? She sandbent a very, very detailed miniature version of Ba Sing Se and apparently didn't have any issues with seeing on sand anymore.

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    • Dr.Who1997 wrote:
      You're wrong, she did sandbend. Remember the episode where Team Avatar was at the beach? She sandbent a very, very detailed miniature version of Ba Sing Se and apparently didn't have any issues with seeing on sand anymore.

      Know what?  You're totally right, though beach sand is much different than desert sand.  Desert sand is dry and loose where beach sand tends to have moisture in it that keeps it together under the surface.  It takes wet sand to make a sandcastle.  So that may be why Toph had no trouble on the beach, but she clearly dislikes the desert.  Still, she did bend sand though, so I'll eat that one.  ^_^

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Weltall8000 wrote:

      I was talking about Aang in the first paragraph.

      Toph discovered a new earthbending skillset in metalbending, along with her sandbending, truthseeing, seismic sense, and conventional earthbending. That is a ton of stuff to master. That said, why couldn't another exceptional bender be able to replicate or surpass her? Bolin is already an extremely accomplished bender.

      While that was a nice life lesson, he very well could further expand his skills through hard work and determination. He gave up on metalbending due to confidence problems, perhaps he could do it, if he believes in himself and tries hard. Toph was able to draw the skill out of a bunch of nobodies in the comics after ATLA. Bolin probably could too, he just needs to realize it.

      Whoooooooops sorry! And fair enough :) I see where you are coming from now. I guess Bolin has matured a lot this season. Maybe he will. I'd still prefer if he didn't (simply because then everyone will be waay more powerful than Korra haha), but it is definitely a possibility. 

      He has matured greatly  this season it seems and his earthbending has also improved, even though I always felt he was a strong earthbender already, and he has definitely adjusted and mastered his lavabending... but the real question is whether Bolin still has a part of him that wants to metalbend or have he gave up on it? I hope he still has a small desire to do it and maybe if he is confident and focused, he can do it be an exceptional earth bender learning 2 subskills.... I mean most people HAVE 2 subskills.... Mako has lightning direction AND redirection (they really are considered separate), Korra has healing and metalbending, Lin, Su, and Toph all have metalbending and seismic sense. WHy not have 2 for Bolin is what I ask?

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    • Does being Varrick's new assistant count? I think so.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Does being Varrick's new assistant count? I think so.


      What do you mean exactly?

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    • Seems to fit, Varrick with an unorthodox bender, I like this combo.

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    • But does seismic sense really count as a subskill? Is seismic sense the basis of metalbending, as you have to sense the impurities in the metal to be able to bend them? I do like the Varrick/Bolin combo, but Varrick is honestly getting a little annoying.

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    • Cliffrussell wrote: But does seismic sense really count as a subskill? Is seismic sense the basis of metalbending, as you have to sense the impurities in the metal to be able to bend them? I do like the Varrick/Bolin combo, but Varrick is honestly getting a little annoying.

      It does count as a subskill and although it did provide a pathway for metalbending, not every metalbender knows the technique...... i feel bolin should get metalbending still or at least seismic sense.... and varrick and bolin are a good team. Bolin should still try to metalbend imho.... he could be powerful as a metalbender with lavabending

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    • He'd be an amazingly strong earthbender. The combinationation of metal bending and lavabending together could definitely be used together for great offensize power along with defensive protection

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    • WampaLumpa wrote:
      Cliffrussell wrote:
      He wouldn't be more powerful than Korra completely, only in earthbending. And why you guys think that Toph will come back and teach people a ton of things. I do think that she will come back but I think that it will be more of a sage advisor will play an important part in helping Korra find a way to defeat Kuvira. I doubt that she'll be in more than two or three more episodes. If anything Toph will fight Kuriva and lose which will prompt Korra see the strength that is inside her and beat Kuvira.
      Toph's role in the overall plot is over. She helped Korra realize the traces of metal in her body when no one can, and parted some wisdom into her thick head, enabling Korra to re-enter the avatar state. Her apperance was a plot device, and a revelation to the fans that she's still alive. But that's as far as it goes. As far as the plot is concerned, Toph's role is over.

      Besides, as I explained in a different thread, it is very rare for former characters to make a comeback and kick the main antagonist's butt when they aren't the main protagonist. All the talk about "Toph is gonna kick Kuvira's butt," as well as previous incarnations I happen to recall "Iroh is gonna beat the crap out of his little brother Ozai" is wishful thinking. Protagonists handle antagonists in the end. 


      After seeing this episode, I have a feeling you are wrong about Toph's plot being over..... lol check it out if you haven't seen it but if you did, you know EXACTLY want I am talking about.... and guys, BOLIN'S LAVABENDING IS AWESOME ! ! ! ! ! ! ! But imagine if he learned metalbending...... even more awesome.

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    • With so much emphasis on that lavabending this episode, I'm seriously doubting anything remotely like Bolin getting metalbending.

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    • Kubernes wrote: With so much emphasis on that lavabending this episode, I'm seriously doubting anything remotely like Bolin getting metalbending.

      I doubt i too but you can still wish lol..... i mean it doesnt seem likely but i still want it to happen......

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    • Im guessing not

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    • Samurixx wrote:
      Im guessing not

      I doubt it.... but I am sure that if he ever did try it, I would bet that he would succeed.... his earthbending has imporved drastically....

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    • He will probably continue to be the lavabender of the group. 

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    • I love his lavabending.... but the thing about this is that lavabending will probably NEVER actually hit a person...... they die if they get hit with lava..... thats another reason why I hope he learns metalbending still......and if Bolin gets caught with metal cables, he is done in the fight....

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    • It's great for crowd control and altering environments. But yeah, metalbending would definitely be beneficial to learn.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      It's great for crowd control and altering environments. But yeah, metalbending would definitely be beneficial to learn.


      Yea it is good for some things.... but i always found it too destructive to use in certain places..... like is he really going to lavabend in Republic City? and a metalbender always have their metal cables.... so if they are not around much earth or any, which can happen, a metalbender can find a way to escape..... I mean it is useful but wouldnt having both be very beneficial? Bolin has 1 subskill, mako has two, Korra has two, Lin and Suyin has two.... why not Bolin is what I ask.

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    • He could, he's also demonstrated he's able to phaseshift lava back to earth. He could also just earthbend if he doesn't want that level of destructive power too.

      He could carry a few stones with him (like how waterbenders carry a waterskin) and use a stone/lava shuriken like Ghazan did in a pinch if he's traveling in the air or over water.

      But, I'm with you in that learning metalbending would benefit him greatly, particularly since he's around so many metalbenders. Just, he's not helpless without it. If I were him? I'd learn it. It would free up more options.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      He could, he's also demonstrated he's able to phaseshift lava back to earth. He could also just earthbend if he doesn't want that level of destructive power too.

      He could carry a few stones with him (like how waterbenders carry a waterskin) and use a stone/lava shuriken like Ghazan did in a pinch if he's traveling in the air or over water.

      But, I'm with you in that learning metalbending would benefit him greatly, particularly since he's around so many metalbenders. Just, he's not helpless without it. If I were him? I'd learn it. It would free up more options.

      That is true that he could always carry some earth when traveling so he could use it like Ghazan did,w hich was pretty bad ass i must say, and yes he can definitely just phasechange lava back into earth in republic city but it seems like with the large population in the city, he may actually be somewhat hesitant to use this technique in the city for fear of hurting others.... and yes Metalbending would benefit him greatly so I am glad we agree on that one :).... wouldnt he be the first to do both? I mean most important characters that have a subskill typically have 2.......

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      He could, he's also demonstrated he's able to phaseshift lava back to earth. He could also just earthbend if he doesn't want that level of destructive power too.

      He could carry a few stones with him (like how waterbenders carry a waterskin) and use a stone/lava shuriken like Ghazan did in a pinch if he's traveling in the air or over water.

      But, I'm with you in that learning metalbending would benefit him greatly, particularly since he's around so many metalbenders. Just, he's not helpless without it. If I were him? I'd learn it. It would free up more options.

      After seeing this episode, I see it as a possibility again now.... :) if you havent seen it, well see it and wait until the end and THEN you will know what I mean.

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    • I hope he does, he has a lot of potential and I think it would be cool to see him lava bending and metal bending at the same time.

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    • I reckon Bolin could do it eventually. He is talented. He should probably learn it for the sake of his in-laws.

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    • ShadowRaptor101 wrote:
      I don't think Bolin is capable of Metalbending. As pessimistic as that may sound, think about all the unique benders we've seen so far; It seems that most benders are only capable of learning a single bending subskill.

      We've seen Firebenders learn Combustionbending, but not Lightning Generation, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Waterbenders learn to use Hydrokenesis, but not Bloodbending, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Earthbenders learn Lavabending, but not Metalbending, and vice-versa.

      We've seen Airbenders who can fly, but can't use Astral Projection, and vice-versa.

      Both of the combustionbenders we've run across have been woefully overspecialized, rarely even using standard-issue firebending (and both of them die of it in the end).

      Waterbending is hydrokinesis by definition.  If anything is a distinct specialization from bloodbending, that would be healing.  Katara, for all that she repudiated bloodbending after the events of "The Southern Raiders," picked up both specializations.

      Discounting Avatars, we've only seen two lavabenders at all.  Ghazan was a one-season secondary antagonist about whom we know very little (including whether or not he had any Fire Nation ancestry).  As for Bolin, every time he tried to metalbend, he was rather clearly doing it wrong; Toph nonetheless thinks he has the potential.

      You may have a point in regards to airbending.  However, that's because flight is about detachment—note that Zaheer doesn't pull it off until the last aspect of his life he can't be dispassionate about drops a backblast on herself, leaving him somewhat unconcerned about even his own safety—while astral projection seems to be at least somewhat about connections.

      Additionally: while Naoki was of Fire Nation ancestry, she was never confirmed to be a firebender.  And if anything, it's metalbending that's an extension of seismic sense.

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    • Bolin did seem like he immediately knew about lavabending from his very first encounter with Ghazan, so I'd imagine that there might be a few others running around at some point. I doubt Bolin would have read about them in a book so he must have learned about them somehow, even if it was someone telling a tall tale or something along those lines.

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    • At one point, I gave up on him metalbending but I don't think the creators would have had Bolin ask Top about it and Toph saying with right instruction he could learn it, with out them hinting that he will be able t o do it EVENTUALLY... I believe Bolin is talented and he just needs to calm down and stop looking down on himself while doing it and just keep trying. His approach was also all wrong when he was trying... lol But no, I know he can and I believe he did eventually get it after the Kuvira events.

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    • There's still hope for you.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Bolin did seem like he immediately knew about lavabending from his very first encounter with Ghazan, so I'd imagine that there might be a few others running around at some point. I doubt Bolin would have read about them in a book so he must have learned about them somehow, even if it was someone telling a tall tale or something along those lines.

      Also, when he talked to Toph, it was pretty clear that she'd heard of lavabending before.  While Toph (one of the legendary heroes of the Hundred Year War, with connections) having heard about it is less surprising than Bolin (a former street kid with minimal education) having heard about it, she's also—for obvious reasons—not a reader, and has been keeping to herself for who-knows-how-long.

      It's probably safe to say that as of 171 AG, the existence of lavabending was fairly widely known.  (Perhaps cryptic snippets of the Red Lotus kidnapping attempt on Korra had made it into the mainstream media, or some flaky earthbender kid had accidentally melted a hole in a tile floor.)

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    • If I where to guess on a way Bolin learns about lava-bending, I would say it was some street performance or from his criminal connections?

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    • It would be cool if he did, but his regular earthbending and lavabending is good all on its own without the metalbending 

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Hmmm. I don't think he'll learn metalbending, simply because it doesn't seem to coincide with her personality. Like, would you expect Aang to learn lightning generation? No way. Same deal. Metalbending is too precise and refined for someone like Bolin who is extremely talented, but not necessarily very delicate with his earthbending. Lavabending is the only subskill i see him with tbh.


      Personality can't have everything to do with it. Does Iroh have a lightningbender attitude to you? Suyin is much more carefree and easygoing than her mother or sister--she moves more like an airbender than an earthbender, yet her metalbending is near perfect.

      That aside, Toph seemed to believe even the densest individuals could master metalbending, including Bolin. Perhaps all he needs is a teacher to give him the proper perspective.

      Seismic sense gave Toph the insight to discover metalbending, maybe learning seismic sense would do the same for Bolin.

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:
      Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Hmmm. I don't think he'll learn metalbending, simply because it doesn't seem to coincide with her personality. Like, would you expect Aang to learn lightning generation? No way. Same deal. Metalbending is too precise and refined for someone like Bolin who is extremely talented, but not necessarily very delicate with his earthbending. Lavabending is the only subskill i see him with tbh.

      Personality can't have everything to do with it. Does Iroh have a lightningbender attitude to you? Suyin is much more carefree and easygoing than her mother or sister--she moves more like an airbender than an earthbender, yet her metalbending is near perfect.

      That aside, Toph seemed to believe even the densest individuals could master metalbending, including Bolin. Perhaps all he needs is a teacher to give him the proper perspective.

      Seismic sense gave Toph the insight to discover metalbending, maybe learning seismic sense would do the same for Bolin.


      I completely agree.... HE CAN learn it.... he just has to work on it constantly... and have a better attitude because you will not make it move if you have any doubt JUST LIKE with bending earth... He can do it and I hope he does it in the comics... Toph said he can learn it so I am sticking to that.

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    • He can learn it but still lava bending is just awesome and it makes Bolin unique and plus if he learns metal bending how often would we see him lava bend.

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      He can learn it but still lava bending is just awesome and it makes Bolin unique and plus if he learns metal bending how often would we see him lava bend.


      It is unique for him to be able to lavabend.... but if he does learn metalbending, I assume he would use that ability more often but use Lavabending for certain occasions... like when he was able to deter those metalbenders from capturing the escaped prisoners.... He may even use them both interchangably.... I feel like Bolin is unique in being able to create lava but lava is just superheated earth..... earthbenders should be able to bend existing lava..... its not any less earth than sand is.....

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    • I think earth benders can bend actual lava just we just dont see it because lavas rare in nature 

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      I think earth benders can bend actual lava just we just dont see it because lavas rare in nature 

      That is true but I also think it is because they are afraid of lava due to its dangerous nature.

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    • True I would have loved to see Aang learn lava because he's laid back and chill like ghazan and bolin, but it might be too violent for him the only sub skills aang learned are seismic sense and lightning redirection he needs some more

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    • Lava's rare in nature? They have a bunch of volcanoes in their world and presumably, their planet is similar to ours which has a ton of magma inside of it.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Lava's rare in nature? They have a bunch of volcanoes in their world and presumably, their planet is similar to ours which has a ton of magma inside of it.

      I think thebridge meant that lava is rare when somebody is bending it at you....like earthbenders don't come across lavabenders..... I am sure they can bend the lava in a similar fashion they can do sand but it would take adjustment.

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    • exaclty same as sand just that its more common than lava.People just dont run across active volcanos or lava benders on a daily basis.

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    • That is one of the things I did notf ully understand in the show. Earthbenders never even tried to bend the existing lava either Ghazan or Bolin bent at him...... It is not like metalbending where you have to focus on the bendable earth existing within metal... Lava is 100% bendable earth just heated up and melted. They SHOULD be able to at the very least bend existing lava. It takes more fluid movements like sand but is more akin to waterbending while sandbending resembles airbending.

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    • Idk how much roku counts we don't know if he could create lava like bolin but we know he was an earth bender and was able to control existing lava same with kyoshi but that could have been avatar state stuff

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      Idk how much roku counts we don't know if he could create lava like bolin but we know he was an earth bender and was able to control existing lava same with kyoshi but that could have been avatar state stuff

      With him being an Avatar, he is an exception in a sense because he can bend all of the elements. Kiyoshi too..but lava is not fire, it is earth.... just in a different phase but it is still earth... so maybe in the comics, we will find out that the real skill in lavabending is being able to phase change it and earthbenders may discover to bend existing lava...... But i do believe they were able to create lava... Roku created lava when he manifested in Aang..... the floors changed to lava.....

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    • I missed that your right Roku can create lava but I think lava was originally supposed to be a combo of fire and earth so it was an avatar only skill but they retconned it to being just earth bending.

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      I missed that your right Roku can create lava but I think lava was originally supposed to be a combo of fire and earth so it was an avatar only skill but they retconned it to being just earth bending.


      I don't remember them actually stating that was the case... it was just assumed because only avatars performed the skill. We should have all guessed that lavabending would be connected to earthbending because lava is nothing more than molten rock.... maybe it just took an earthbender with an open mind OR an earthbender that studied waterbenders and their way of phase changing their element. Because the elements can all learn from each other as we know from Iroh and Lightning redirection.

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    • I think it's said in avatar extras that fire +Earth= lava

      But it's later changed to just earth,

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      I think it's said in avatar extras that fire +Earth= lava

      But it's later changed to just earth,

      Oh really? Nevermind then lol. But I mean regardless, it is just earth..... But yea I hope Bolin learns metalbending in the comics.

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    • Honestly, I never understood why anyone was surprised that lava bending was possible.

      Bolinistheman wrote:
      That is one of the things I did notf ully understand in the show. Earthbenders never even tried to bend the existing lava either Ghazan or Bolin bent at him...... It is not like metalbending where you have to focus on the bendable earth existing within metal... Lava is 100% bendable earth just heated up and melted. They SHOULD be able to at the very least bend existing lava. It takes more fluid movements like sand but is more akin to waterbending while sandbending resembles airbending.

      The difference between lava and stone isn't simply a casual change in state, it takes enormous amounts of energy to melt rock, and perhaps more to keep it molten.

      For something who's resting state is a solid and not easily changed, it's not crazy that it might take enormous amounts of will and focus for an earth bender to manipulate it.

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:

      Honestly, I never understood why anyone was surprised that lava bending was possible.


      Bolinistheman wrote:
      That is one of the things I did notf ully understand in the show. Earthbenders never even tried to bend the existing lava either Ghazan or Bolin bent at him...... It is not like metalbending where you have to focus on the bendable earth existing within metal... Lava is 100% bendable earth just heated up and melted. They SHOULD be able to at the very least bend existing lava. It takes more fluid movements like sand but is more akin to waterbending while sandbending resembles airbending.
      The difference between lava and stone isn't simply a casual change in state, it takes enormous amounts of energy to melt rock, and perhaps more to keep it molten.

      For something who's resting state is a solid and not easily changed, it's not crazy that it might take a bender enormous amounts of will and focus to manipulate it.


      Once lava is created, it does not take energy to keep it molten....It may take some adjusting to bend lava but even though it may take energy to make it molten, the end result is still melted hot pure earth in a different state. That is why I believe that all earthbenders can bend existing lava with some adjustment.

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    • Bolinistheman wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      Honestly, I never understood why anyone was surprised that lava bending was possible.


      Bolinistheman wrote:
      That is one of the things I did notf ully understand in the show. Earthbenders never even tried to bend the existing lava either Ghazan or Bolin bent at him...... It is not like metalbending where you have to focus on the bendable earth existing within metal... Lava is 100% bendable earth just heated up and melted. They SHOULD be able to at the very least bend existing lava. It takes more fluid movements like sand but is more akin to waterbending while sandbending resembles airbending.
      The difference between lava and stone isn't simply a casual change in state, it takes enormous amounts of energy to melt rock, and perhaps more to keep it molten.

      For something who's resting state is a solid and not easily changed, it's not crazy that it might take a bender enormous amounts of will and focus to manipulate it.


      Once lava is created, it does not take energy to keep it molten....It may take some adjusting to bend lava but even though it may take energy to make it molten, the end result is still melted hot pure earth in a different state. That is why I believe that all earthbenders can bend existing lava with some adjustment.

      You sure? Because I'm fairly certain that unless you keep lava heated (and in it's excited state), it will cool and turn into... rock. 

      So, it actually DOES require use of energy (in a bender's case, focusing one's chi), to keep it molten.

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:
      Bolinistheman wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      Honestly, I never understood why anyone was surprised that lava bending was possible.


      Bolinistheman wrote:
      That is one of the things I did notf ully understand in the show. Earthbenders never even tried to bend the existing lava either Ghazan or Bolin bent at him...... It is not like metalbending where you have to focus on the bendable earth existing within metal... Lava is 100% bendable earth just heated up and melted. They SHOULD be able to at the very least bend existing lava. It takes more fluid movements like sand but is more akin to waterbending while sandbending resembles airbending.
      The difference between lava and stone isn't simply a casual change in state, it takes enormous amounts of energy to melt rock, and perhaps more to keep it molten.

      For something who's resting state is a solid and not easily changed, it's not crazy that it might take a bender enormous amounts of will and focus to manipulate it.


      Once lava is created, it does not take energy to keep it molten....It may take some adjusting to bend lava but even though it may take energy to make it molten, the end result is still melted hot pure earth in a different state. That is why I believe that all earthbenders can bend existing lava with some adjustment.
      You sure? Because I'm fairly certain that unless you keep lava heated (and in it's excited state), it will cool and turn into... rock. 

      So, it actually DOES require use of energy (in a bender's case, focusing one's chi), to keep it molten.


      Well after a while, lava will eventually cool down but it does not happen automatically.... When Bolin left after rescuing those escaped prisoners, the lava was still there... It cools down after time but not right away so an earthbender can bend that existing lava if he or she TRIED too... like I said, metalbending is trying to find bendable earth.... Lavabending is creating lava from pure bendable earth...... making it into a molten state.... but that molten lava is STILL bendable pure earth... It may take an open mind and adjustment for an earthbender who may not know how to create lava to bend existing lava.... lava is crude earth and metal is refined earth.... This is just my opinion but I feel like it makes sense. Plus, wouldn't it be OP for a lavabender against every other earthbender... a waterbender could probably use water to cool it down, we have seen Aang cool down lava with Air, and we have seen Mako and members of the white lotus basically disintegrate lava with firebending. I feel like for earthbenders, a way to counter lava coming at y ou is to be able to bend it yourself... youa re still somewhat disadvantaged but it makes it more equal.

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    • Bolinistheman wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      Bolinistheman wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      Honestly, I never understood why anyone was surprised that lava bending was possible.


      Bolinistheman wrote:
      That is one of the things I did notf ully understand in the show. Earthbenders never even tried to bend the existing lava either Ghazan or Bolin bent at him...... It is not like metalbending where you have to focus on the bendable earth existing within metal... Lava is 100% bendable earth just heated up and melted. They SHOULD be able to at the very least bend existing lava. It takes more fluid movements like sand but is more akin to waterbending while sandbending resembles airbending.
      The difference between lava and stone isn't simply a casual change in state, it takes enormous amounts of energy to melt rock, and perhaps more to keep it molten.

      For something who's resting state is a solid and not easily changed, it's not crazy that it might take a bender enormous amounts of will and focus to manipulate it.


      Once lava is created, it does not take energy to keep it molten....It may take some adjusting to bend lava but even though it may take energy to make it molten, the end result is still melted hot pure earth in a different state. That is why I believe that all earthbenders can bend existing lava with some adjustment.
      You sure? Because I'm fairly certain that unless you keep lava heated (and in it's excited state), it will cool and turn into... rock. 

      So, it actually DOES require use of energy (in a bender's case, focusing one's chi), to keep it molten.


      Well after a while, lava will eventually cool down but it does not happen automatically.... When Bolin left after rescuing those escaped prisoners, the lava was still there... It cools down after time but not right away so an earthbender can bend that existing lava if he or she TRIED too... like I said, metalbending is trying to find bendable earth.... Lavabending is creating lava from pure bendable earth...... making it into a molten state.... but that molten lava is STILL bendable pure earth... It may take an open mind and adjustment for an earthbender who may not know how to create lava to bend existing lava.... lava is crude earth and metal is refined earth.... This is just my opinion but I feel like it makes sense. Plus, wouldn't it be OP for a lavabender against every other earthbender... a waterbender could probably use water to cool it down, we have seen Aang cool down lava with Air, and we have seen Mako and members of the white lotus basically disintegrate lava with firebending. I feel like for earthbenders, a way to counter lava coming at y ou is to be able to bend it yourself... youa re still somewhat disadvantaged but it makes it more equal.


      I agree with you that every earth bender has the potential to bend lava, what I disagree with is this assumption that it's a casual affair because:

      1) the energy required to liquefy and maintain molten rock is not insubstantial, and

      2) if it were simply a matter of an open mind, every earth bender would be doing it already.

      I do agree that perspective would be important in it's mastery. Perspective, personality, and natural talent would be the reason some people (like Bolin) pick it up right away. But, for other benders, the level of challenge they'd have in mastering it would have a lot to do with the state of lava--rock is naturally solid, to change it to a liquid state would be doable, but remarkable difficult for most benders, which is why lava benders aren't more common.

      tl;dr: 1) is the reason for 2).

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:
      Bolinistheman wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      Bolinistheman wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      Honestly, I never understood why anyone was surprised that lava bending was possible.


      Bolinistheman wrote:
      That is one of the things I did notf ully understand in the show. Earthbenders never even tried to bend the existing lava either Ghazan or Bolin bent at him...... It is not like metalbending where you have to focus on the bendable earth existing within metal... Lava is 100% bendable earth just heated up and melted. They SHOULD be able to at the very least bend existing lava. It takes more fluid movements like sand but is more akin to waterbending while sandbending resembles airbending.
      The difference between lava and stone isn't simply a casual change in state, it takes enormous amounts of energy to melt rock, and perhaps more to keep it molten.

      For something who's resting state is a solid and not easily changed, it's not crazy that it might take a bender enormous amounts of will and focus to manipulate it.


      Once lava is created, it does not take energy to keep it molten....It may take some adjusting to bend lava but even though it may take energy to make it molten, the end result is still melted hot pure earth in a different state. That is why I believe that all earthbenders can bend existing lava with some adjustment.
      You sure? Because I'm fairly certain that unless you keep lava heated (and in it's excited state), it will cool and turn into... rock. 

      So, it actually DOES require use of energy (in a bender's case, focusing one's chi), to keep it molten.


      Well after a while, lava will eventually cool down but it does not happen automatically.... When Bolin left after rescuing those escaped prisoners, the lava was still there... It cools down after time but not right away so an earthbender can bend that existing lava if he or she TRIED too... like I said, metalbending is trying to find bendable earth.... Lavabending is creating lava from pure bendable earth...... making it into a molten state.... but that molten lava is STILL bendable pure earth... It may take an open mind and adjustment for an earthbender who may not know how to create lava to bend existing lava.... lava is crude earth and metal is refined earth.... This is just my opinion but I feel like it makes sense. Plus, wouldn't it be OP for a lavabender against every other earthbender... a waterbender could probably use water to cool it down, we have seen Aang cool down lava with Air, and we have seen Mako and members of the white lotus basically disintegrate lava with firebending. I feel like for earthbenders, a way to counter lava coming at y ou is to be able to bend it yourself... youa re still somewhat disadvantaged but it makes it more equal.

      I agree with you that every earth bender has the potential to bend lava, what I disagree with is this assumption that it's a casual affair because:

      1) the energy required to liquefy and maintain molten rock is not insubstantial, and

      2) if it were simply a matter of an open mind, every earth bender would be doing it already.

      I do agree that perspective would be important in it's mastery. Perspective, personality, and natural talent would be the reason some people (like Bolin) pick it up right away. But, for other benders, the level of challenge they'd have in mastering it would have a lot to do with the state of lava--rock is naturally solid, to change it to a liquid state would be doable, but remarkable difficult for most benders, which is why lava benders aren't more common.

      tl;dr: 1) is the reason for 2).


      I can see your points.... Maybe a combination of our analogies are correct in some way lol. But honestly, do you think Bolin will metalbend in the comics?

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    • If I'm being perfectly honest, I'm going to say it's highly unlikely. I really want it to happen, I think it could happen, I just don't think it will happen.

      I just get this feeling Bolin's story will never take that path, even though seeing him get trained by Suyin or Toph would be the greatest thing. 

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:
      If I'm being perfectly honest, I'm going to say it's highly unlikely. I really want it to happen, I think it could happen, I just don't think it will happen.

      I just get this feeling Bolin's story will never take that path, even though seeing him get trained by Suyin or Toph would be the greatest thing. 

      I understand what you mean.... but to be honest, his "metalbending" arc should have fully been put to rest after he learned lavabending and I gave up on it until episode 10 of book 4. He met Toph and basically asked her why he was not able to metalbend. They could have had her say that some people just are not meant to do it but she validated what Suyin basically said when Bolin was all "only 1 in 100 can do it". THAT EVEN HE can learn it with proper instructional techniques..... We was told that Bolin CAN learn it. That revived my "well maybe he will" feeling lol.

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    • You could also see if as Toph being Toph: if she wanted to, she could have taught him the proper techniques. Alas, she didn't really seem to like Bolin.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      You could also see if as Toph being Toph: if she wanted to, she could have taught him the proper techniques. Alas, she didn't really seem to like Bolin.


      It's just her personality. She was like that with Korra and she seemed impressed with Bolin's ability to lavabend. Learning from Toph would be the best for him but i don't think she is the ONLY one who could teach Bolin properly.... I think under Suyin, he could learn after constant practice... more than t he day he was given... it took Toph's first students a while before they learned... it was the same for them as it was for Bolin... but Toph said  that with proper instruction, a blockhead can learn... Bolin just needs a good teacher... Suyin focused on Korra and she never could properly show him the techniques... he is the type that needs practice...

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    • He most likely won't.

      I'm fine with him just being a lavavbender. Because lavabending is very unique, and very powerful. If he learned metalbending I wouldn't mind it, but having two sub-elements seems a little... overpowered.

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    • I'm with Spike. Bolin's already awesome enough being a lavabender. I wouldn't mind too much if he could also metalbend, but the fact that he can't doesn't bother me at all. Just like I have absolutely no problem with the fact that Korra can metalbend, yet as far as we know so far, can't lavabend. Might change in the future, but it won't bother me at all if it doesn't.

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    • Spike the Dragon wrote: He most likely won't.

      I'm fine with him just being a lavavbender. Because lavabending is very unique, and very powerful. If he learned metalbending I wouldn't mind it, but having two sub-elements seems a little... overpowered.

      They could have ended the metalbending arc in book 3. But yet again, another beifong, the inventor at that, said he can learn it. I think even under suyin, he could learn with constant practice. Those meteorites have a lot of bendable earth in it so if he learned thetechniques and practiced a lot, he could get it. He needs to learn how to focus and calm his mind more. When he tried, he treated it lole earth. But toph telling him he can was a signal to the future to me. And many benders have 2 subskills in avatar and korra.

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    • A lot of people are making the mistake of comparing this series to Dragon Ball Z. This isn't a bunch of beefcakes duking it out in a race to the strongest of all time. Concerns over Bolin's mastery of different earthbending specialties shouldn't be framed in terms of how powerful it will make him.

      Frankly, it wouldn't make him terribly powerful. While Bolin is a talented pro-bender and clearly a lavabending prodigy, he's not a virtuoso like Toph--not some master of combat.

      Perhaps the most powerful bender we've come across, Amon, was not unbeatable, and Bolin has never shown the wit and resolve with his respective element. He'd be a particularly talented bender with a slightly wider skillset. That's all.


      The question of Bolin's skills should be framed in the context of whether he has the mind to learn it. I strongly suspect Bolin's mastery of lavabending is tied to his personality type, and is the same reason he's been unable to metalbend. It requires a rigid, focused frame of mind, which doesn't exactly describe him. In some ways, he's a bit like Aang when Toph was training him in earthbending.

      As Bolinistheman mentioned, Toph (a woman who ran her own metalbending school for years) seems pretty sure that the potential lies within him, so it would simply be a question of getting a teacher that can put him on the path, or being in a situation where he has nothing but metal to work with.

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:
      A lot of people are making the mistake of comparing this series to Dragon Ball Z. This isn't a bunch of beefcakes duking it out in a race to the strongest of all time. Concerns over Bolin's mastery of different earthbending specialties shouldn't be framed in terms of how powerful it will make him.

      Frankly, it wouldn't make him terribly powerful. While Bolin is a talented pro-bender and clearly a lavabending prodigy, he's not a virtuoso like Toph--not some master of combat.

      Perhaps the most powerful bender we've come across, Amon, was not unbeatable, and Bolin has never shown the wit and resolve with his respective element. He'd be a particularly talented bender with a slightly wider skillset. That's all.


      The question of Bolin's skills should be framed in the context of whether he has the mind to learn it. I strongly suspect Bolin's mastery of lavabending is tied to his personality type, and is the same reason he's been unable to metalbend. It requires a rigid, focused frame of mind, which doesn't exactly describe him. In some ways, he's a bit like Aang when Toph was training him in earthbending.

      As Bolinistheman mentioned, Toph (a woman who ran her own metalbending school for years) seems pretty sure that the potential lies within him, so it would simply be a question of getting a teacher that can put him on the path, or being in a situation where he has nothing but metal to work with.


      I, honestly, think he could learn under Suyin still. She focused on Korra and since he is the type that needs much more practice than somebody like Korra,  I feel like Suyin could guide him there within an extended period of time. Toph would be a better teacher and maybe somebody like Lin could even be a better teacher. Since he might need to be forced into it and a teacher who is more blunt like those two would probably be better for Bolin. Who knows, but at least I know he can learn it and all of that debate in between the books on whether "maybe he just can not do it" was put to rest there. I say its a signal he will learn it. And I agree with you in the dragonball z analogy. Very true, an earthbender can beat a metalbender or a lavabender, and vise versa etc. It depends on how skilled you are.

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    • Spike the Dragon wrote:

      I'm fine with him just being a lavavbender. Because lavabending is very unique, and very powerful. If he learned metalbending I wouldn't mind it, but having two sub-elements seems a little... overpowered.

      i agree, imagine melted-metal-bending with the quick moves of waer bending, and the moment they touch someone it would create heavily injurys, futhermore, even the form of the metal could be changed in moments...

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    • I don't really see metalbending as being a particularly rigid style, at least as far as earthbending goes. Look at all the artistic uses of it in Zaofu, such as graceful dancers incorporating it. Bearing in mind, Bolin has demonstrated advanced proficiency in conventional earthbending, which is thought to be the most rigid of the four elements, already. "Rigidity inherent in the art" does not appear to be the problem here.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      I don't really see metalbending as being a particularly rigid style, at least as far as earthbending goes. Look at all the artistic uses of it in Zaofu, such as graceful dancers incorporating it. Bearing in mind, Bolin has demonstrated advanced proficiency in conventional earthbending, which is thought to be the most rigid of the four elements, already. "Rigidity inherent in the art" does not appear to be the problem here.


      The problem for his is mainly his negative attitudes about not being able to do it. When you want to bend earth, you can not have any doubt as Toph said in the past. He is doubting he can do it. Another thing is he is the type that needs to be taught to feel out the earth impurities. He needs focus and patience, which are traits he does not have, but you can be taught those things and you can be taught to find thos little earth particles within the metal. Toph said he just need the right instruction to figure it out. He needs to be taught a certain way. Under Toph, he would be able to no doubt, under Suyin, he COULD get it with constant practice. Those meteorites have a lot of impurities so maybe a combination of using the most impure metals, and being taught to wait and listen for those impurities, viola, hes metalbending.

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    • It always surprises me that since the start of the series, that Bolin has never picked up seismic sense from Lin, Suyin, or even Kuvira.

      I suspect that anyone who masters that, will only be steps away from metalbending.

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    • Did Kuvira even use that ability herself? Surprised Korra didn't learn it after training with Toph or even from Suyin.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Did Kuvira even use that ability herself? Surprised Korra didn't learn it after training with Toph or even from Suyin.


      Well, I figure that Lin knew it, so she got it from Toph, which leads me to think Suyin was no less capable in seismic sense, and since Suyin was kind of a surrogate mother to Kuvira (who was an extremely talented bender herself), it made sense Kuvira would know it.

      Kind of a stretch I guess, but I don't feel it's a big one. You're right thought about Korra I'm surprised she doesn't know either.

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    • I don't recall offhand either Suyin or Kuvira ever actually using seismic sense - the only one that I remember seeing do it other than Toph herself was Lin. 

      Wait, that's wrong. Su and the twins I'm pretty sure did use it during that very predictable and ill-advised attempt to sneak into Kuvira's camp to assassinate her in Book 4. Mind you, I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure they did.

      But it would make sense that that particular ability very well could be a part of their skillset

      Bolinistheman wrote:
      The problem for his is mainly his negative attitudes about not being able to do it. When you want to bend earth, you can not have any doubt as Toph said in the past. He is doubting he can do it. Another thing is he is the type that needs to be taught to feel out the earth impurities. He needs focus and patience, which are traits he does not have.

      That's certainly true. Mind you, I don't think Bo necessarily needs to learn metalbending, though it would be cool if he did; but his less-than-determined attitude and comparative lack of focus are probably the main reasons why he couldn't learn metalbending.

      And I do think that under the right instructor - one who could whip him into shape like Toph or, say, Lin - Bolin could very well overcome this particular block, and then could be able to learn metalbending himself. Which would be awesome.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      I don't recall offhand either Suyin or Kuvira ever actually using seismic sense - the only one that I remember seeing do it other than Toph herself was Lin. 

      Wait, that's wrong. Su and the twins I'm pretty sure did use it during that very predictable and ill-advised attempt to sneak into Kuvira's camp to assassinate her in Book 4. Mind you, I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure they did.

      But it would make sense that that particular ability very well could be a part of their skillset


      Bolinistheman wrote:
      The problem for his is mainly his negative attitudes about not being able to do it. When you want to bend earth, you can not have any doubt as Toph said in the past. He is doubting he can do it. Another thing is he is the type that needs to be taught to feel out the earth impurities. He needs focus and patience, which are traits he does not have.

      That's certainly true. Mind you, I don't think Bo necessarily needs to learn metalbending, though it would be cool if he did; but his less-than-determined attitude and comparative lack of focus are probably the main reasons why he couldn't learn metalbending.

      And I do think that under the right instructor - one who could whip him into shape like Toph or, say, Lin - Bolin could very well overcome this particular block, and then could be able to learn metalbending himself. Which would be awesome.

      If you think about it, they seem to have hinted at the possibility when toph said he could learn...We all thought some earthbender could not do it but she said, every earthbender can learn it if taught in a proper way. So even though it would be ok if he did not learn it, the metalbending should have not been brought up again but it was and this time bolin should know better than to doubt whether he can do it because I mean come on, TOPH said you can.... that has to be a confidence booster there.... She even complimented him..... He can be taught to do it... I still feel Suyin would be able to help him but Toph and Lin would probably be better teachers. Those meteorites are great for starting out though.... He can get it, that is all I know.

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    • Let's think about this aspect of metalbending: what does it do for Bolin's character?

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    • It really shouldn't have to do anything for his character, but the discipline and/or change in perspective he would need to master it likely would result in some development past simplistic comic relief.

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    • A confidence boost. Him overcoming a mental block and accomplishing something he's wanted to do for years, but never thought he could. It could provide him an interesting character arc. He could decide to get a job as an metalbender police officer and team up with his big bro fighting crime with health benefits.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      A confidence boost. Him overcoming a mental block and accomplishing something he's wanted to do for years, but never thought he could. It could provide him an interesting character arc. He could decide to get a job as an metalbender police officer and team up with his big bro fighting crime with health benefits.

      I agree with you but also with Mrsunrider past the part that it should not do anything to his character. It would be such a confidence boost if he finally, after trying so many times, achieved something he has wanted for his whole life really. I mean he always was so afraid of being amongst the "99 in 100" who supposedly could not metalbend. Yet Suyin told him it was his attitude that was limiting him and Toph outright saying every earthbender can learn it if taught properly. Bolin wa still interested because he told Toph that Su tried to teach him but he just didnt get it. Toph was telling Bolin that maybe Suyin wasnt the right teacher for him but he can learn it if taught properly for him. Bolin would need to be walked through sensing the impurities. He would need to be taught to wait and listen for those impurities before trying to bend metal. Similar to how Aang was taught to earthbend, he needs to be blindfolded and learn to percieve where people are and all of that stuff. And then apply that with metal. Here is what I think the way to teach him would be. Glad somebody wrote this and when i read it, I thought "oh my goodness, THIS IS HOW BOLIN WOULD LEARN"
      www.fanfiction.net/s/11077070/1/Not-That-Pathetic

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    • I'd prefer Bolin to go into the United Forces. He already has military/peacekeeping experience & it allows him to work with his brother--since the RCPD & UF have teamed up quite often--without needing to be attached to him. And wartime situations allow Bolin to make better use of his lavabending.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I'd prefer Bolin to go into the United Forces. He already has military/peacekeeping experience & it allows him to work with his brother--since the RCPD & UF have teamed up quite often--without needing to be attached to him. And wartime situations allow Bolin to make better use of his lavabending.


      Hmmm that is very possible... I could see Bolin in the united forces.... his lavabending would be very useful at times of war but also very dangerous... He could bring down mecha  tanks but at the same time make the battlefield dangerous for his comrades. Thats why he could use learning metalbending. I think he would make a good cop but I agree with you in being in the military. But again, he should learn metalbending... just have a more positive attitude and just try it until he gets it.

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    • He can just cool the lava after he's done with it.

      I'm not too fussed about him not learning it, because he doesn't seem the type to make a lot of use of it anyway. He doesn't typically use armor or weapons aside from stone pillars and projectiles. He's generally portrayed as being less agile and having less stamina than Korra or Mako, but relying a lot on evasion, so I can't see him opting to start wearing thick armor.

      In theory, if he learned it, he would probably stick with countering an opponent's metalbending, & maybe carry a small amount of metal to use for projectile attacks.

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    • Huh. I had actually never thought of it, but the United Forces would be a good match for Bolin - he has some military experience from his time in the EI forces, and he's definitely a skilled fighter. He could do well there.

      On the subject of armor, I don't really remember much in the way of examples of anyone wearing really heavy armor - I suppose the RCPD's metalbender cops are one example, but to me it didn't seem like it was heavy to the point of substantially hindering mobility. And as for Suyin, she didn't really wear that much armor either; and Kuvira basically wore none at all, except for on a few parts of her body, like the plate on her back which she used for metalbending (which is actually a pretty clever design, because it's composed of very thin strips of metal layered one on top of the other, which allows her to use them to metalbend without sacrificing the armor's protection entirely.

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    • Those fighters are also used to working with armor on, whereas Bolin isn't. The Earth Empire uniform may also involve more armor than we can actually see.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      He can just cool the lava after he's done with it.

      I'm not too fussed about him not learning it, because he doesn't seem the type to make a lot of use of it anyway. He doesn't typically use armor or weapons aside from stone pillars and projectiles. He's generally portrayed as being less agile and having less stamina than Korra or Mako, but relying a lot on evasion, so I can't see him opting to start wearing thick armor.

      In theory, if he learned it, he would probably stick with countering an opponent's metalbending, & maybe carry a small amount of metal to use for projectile attacks.

      Bolin seems to be more defense minded anyways. And Bolin i feel is more agile than people make him out to be. Earthbenders generally are not the most agile with the exception of Suyin thanks to her dancing prowess AND her time in the circus. But I feel like Bolin can also be offensive too and we have seen at times during the show. He would definitely counter a person's metalbending but I don't think he would just stick to that. I think he would actually attack too with earth and metalbending. Maybe even lavabending but does he really want to use lava on a reguar basis, with the exception of in the UR forces? Lava is hotter than fire and would kill an opponent if he hit somebody. This is why I feel like metalbending would probably be used more if he learned it.

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    • He tends to break out the lava when normal tactics aren't working & the situation is very serious. The thing is, when he uses offense, it's almost always some kind of projectile or rock pillar attack. He doesn't, for example, form katars as many metalbenders do, even though Tonraq showed it can be done with substances other than metal.

      Point being, I could see him maybe incorporating small amounts of metalbending into his arsenal, but probably nowhere near the things Lin, Suyin, Toph, Kuvira, & Korra have done.

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    • Anyone claiming Bolin isn't agile - no offense - needs to get their eyes checked. Granted, he's not as nimble as some other fighters, but he is quite agile in his own right. He had to be, because he's a pro-bender, and Earthbending in pro-bending is severely restricted in terms of what they're able to do, which requires higher-than-expected agility as a result. 

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    • I think it was relatively speaking, he's less agile than Mako or Korra. Which doesn't seem all that unfair to say. They're all agile, just, Mako and Korra are more so.

      Then again, the metalbending police can be quite mobile with their metal whips flying around like Spiderman does. Metalbending dancers were also very graceful and not really rooted like traditional earthbending. I do not see metalbending as inherently lacking fluidity and agility. Even though many of the mooks had virtually no agility to speak of.

      As for armor, I am reminded of Suyin vs Kuvira, Suyin throws on a sheet of metal and turns it into armor, and then immediately does a flip/spin maneuver several feet over Kuvira's head and resumes fighting without a beat. Maybe not as maneuverable as airscooters, jet propulsion, or when Mako and Korra ran on a wall sideways to rush Amon when he had the Airbenders on stage, but, pretty agile nonetheless.

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    • In general, everyone was quicker in LoK. Minus mooks for the most part. Given that, Bolin was pretty much the slowest in the main cast of the show, both with his bending and his personality. Good guy but dumb as a bag of rocks. That might be his biggest problem to learning the craft of metal bending.

      Even then, I don't know if I'd expect him to add that much metal bending to his arsenal. I'd expect him to use one technique multiple times or even exclusely. Did Korra add that much metal bending to her typical bending? It was usually just using metal bending to access some new route or obstruction.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      In general, everyone was quicker in LoK. Minus mooks for the most part. Given that, Bolin was pretty much the slowest in the main cast of the show, both with his bending and his personality. Good guy but dumb as a bag of rocks. That might be his biggest problem to learning the craft of metal bending.

      Even then, I don't know if I'd expect him to add that much metal bending to his arsenal. I'd expect him to use one technique multiple times or even exclusely. Did Korra add that much metal bending to her typical bending? It was usually just using metal bending to access some new route or obstruction.


      Bolin is not dumb, he is quite smart in different ways. But he is not an idiot... he just does dumb things... dumb =/= goofy...He is simply a goofy individual. BUt anyways, his problem was that he does not take the time to wait and feel out the earth impurities within metal. I know this because when he frst tried to metalbend, he simply grabbed it and squeeze it holding it will bend even a little bit. Bolin needs to calm his mind and justtry to sense the earth within the metal and once he can access this, he is 99% there, the 1% is simply earthbending the impurities and boom, metalbending. He can learn to do it as Toph basically dispelled all of the talk us fans had of maybe he just can't and not all earthbenders can learn when she said even blockheads could learn it. The creators probably put that in there to signal for the future of Bolin EVENTUALLY becoming a metalbender.

      Now I would like to think that Bolin would be so happy that after trying so much for so long to metalbend, that he would utilize it as much as he possibly can. He would probably use metalbending to fight other benders while using lavabending against mech tanks or to scare off other benders who may outnumber him. Korra began to use metalbending for everyday life like when she metalbent the water lever. Bolin knows many earthbending techniques so I am sure he would at least carry around cables and metalplates.

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    • He was tricked how many times in the series? He's definitely foolish to the point of it being a trope. He has to climb a pretty big hill to get to metal bending unless the writers throw him a bone in the comics and Toph wasn't simply alluding to the fact that she would have to teach him herself for him to learn it. Until we see such a time for either to occur, I'm more likely to believe that Bolin metal bending is fantasy.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      He was tricked how many times in the series? He's definitely foolish to the point of it being a trope. He has to climb a pretty big hill to get to metal bending unless the writers throw him a bone in the comics and Toph wasn't simply alluding to the fact that she would have to teach him herself for him to learn it. Until we see such a time for either to occur, I'm more likely to believe that Bolin metal bending is fantasy.

      No, you are right about him being foolish but that does not make him dumb as a bag of rocks lol. But yes it is a big hill to climb but the fact is that he can learn it. He can learn it from a teacher who can properly teach him. And to be honest, you should really check out that link I posted on here. It is fan fiction but I am sure that bolin would learn with THAT kind of instruction. He just needs to be taught to sense for earth rather than just use his eyes.Here is the link and i really urge you to check it out, [http:// www.fanfiction.net/s/11077070/1/Not-That-Pathetic] I dont really think the hill is THAT big to climb for him...... I think he needs to better learn to wait and listen..... Wait and hear the earth impurities... Feel the impurities... It needs to be broken down for him and he needs a full walkthrough.

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    • I don't doubt he's physiologically capable of performing metalbending, but that doesn't make it plausible. I'd argue that everyone on this board is capable of becoming a lawyer...but most of us, if we tried, would find the effort is just too demanding for that to be realistic.

      If he wasn't carrying around rocks in anticipation of being locked up without access to earth, why would he start lugging around a bunch of metal?

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I don't doubt he's physiologically capable of performing metalbending, but that doesn't make it plausible. I'd argue that everyone on this board is capable of becoming a lawyer...but most of us, if we tried, would find the effort is just too demanding for that to be realistic.

      If he wasn't carrying around rocks in anticipation of being locked up without access to earth, why would he start lugging around a bunch of metal?

      He actually carried around rocks on the giant mecha suit of Kuvira for lavabending so it would not surprise me that he would bring metal with him. I mean benders do it all of the time..... But as far as effort goes... I think its more closer to having our strengths.... I got math pretty easily growing up but some people had a hard time... but even though they have a hard time, people still learn math as it is needed to get into colleges.... Its more akin to that than being a lawyer... which has a lot more factors into it. It is more like math or science and some people will get it right away, and others have to work hard at it.... even with people who want to be lawyers... it comes easier to others and harder to others... But you are right in that most of us would find it too demanding to become lawyers... but that is more because most of us don't want to be lawyers. Bolin wants to be a metalbender, always have so why not have him work at it?

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    • But plenty of people who want to be something repeatedly fail & never achieve that goal, despite all of the effort they put into it. Some even die in poverty still trying to achieve that goal. So it's not just a question of wanting it badly enough.

      We only know that he made a lava shuriken, not where he got his material. Even if he did bring in a handful of rocks because he saw an immediate need for them, that's a far cry from always keeping weapons on-hand, which has never been in his character.

      Since you brought up Korra, observe that she carries neither water skin nor cable belt, despite being perfectly capable of doing so. It just isn't in her character to carry weapons. She's used them every now & again, but usually she just fights with whatever is on hand. Bolin is the same way.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      But plenty of people who want to be something repeatedly fail & never achieve that goal, despite all of the effort they put into it. Some even die in poverty still trying to achieve that goal. So it's not just a question of wanting it badly enough.

      We only know that he made a lava shuriken, not where he got his material. Even if he did bring in a handful of rocks because he saw an immediate need for them, that's a far cry from always keeping weapons on-hand, which has never been in his character.

      Since you brought up Korra, observe that she carries neither water skin nor cable belt, despite being perfectly capable of doing so. It just isn't in her character to carry weapons. She's used them every now & again, but usually she just fights with whatever is on hand. Bolin is the same way.


      You may be right but I am one of those people who believe you can achieve whatever you want to achieve if you are willing to work hard at it. You also sometimes need to be a little lucky but I stand by that. And you are right, it is not explicitly said or shown where he got the material from for the Lava Shuriken but if you look back in book 3, Ghazan made his out of 3 pieces of earth. So we can assume that Bolin brought earth with him. He did not make it out of the metal. Toph said EVERY earthbender can learn to metalbend. This means that although it is a complex technique, all can learn it... just like all can learn math with the right teacher....Bolin just needs a more positive attitude and the right teacher...... if you look at that link, I am telling you, its a perfect illustration of how to teach Bolin... It needs to be broken down.

      Now to Korra, you are right but she is the avatar so even though she is naturally a waterbender, she does not need to bring a water skin because she has other elements to work with unlike other waterbenders.

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    • And you are right, it is not explicitly said or shown where he got the material from for the Lava Shuriken but if you look back in book 3, Ghazan made his out of 3 pieces of earth. So we can assume that Bolin brought earth with him. He did not make it out of the metal.

      I always figured lavabenders could melt metal even if they're not metalbenders, but there's nothing directly confirming that. Still, he could've found something inside of the Colossus. Soldiers who can't metalbend may use rocks, or they may use coal to provide the startup electricity that they pump into the Spirit Vines, or there may be some other reason for there to be rocks in there.

      Toph said EVERY earthbender can learn to metalbend.

      Good for her, but at a certain point, we have to make a distinction between what is hypothetically possible & what is plausible. And the simple fact is that the only person seen to maybe have reached Toph's level of metalbending is Korra, given that she could remove the mercury particles that were too small for Suyin.

      if you look at that link, I am telling you, its a perfect illustration of how to teach Bolin... It needs to be broken down.

      I don't make it a habit to read fan fictions as source material, but since you insist, I looked at it, & I completely disagree. Most of these methods aren't really groundbreaking. Mako & Suyin both tried positive reinforcement. I assume Bolin knows he has to sense impurities in the metal, as that's probably common knowledge. He doesn't seem to respond well to negative reinforcement.

      The methods in this story that haven't been tried in the show already are huge leaps. How do we know that the techniques in lavabending bear any similarity to the ones used for metalbending? If there's some critical figure that's been missing from Bolin's metalbending instruction, I don't see it here.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      And you are right, it is not explicitly said or shown where he got the material from for the Lava Shuriken but if you look back in book 3, Ghazan made his out of 3 pieces of earth. So we can assume that Bolin brought earth with him. He did not make it out of the metal.

      I always figured lavabenders could melt metal even if they're not metalbenders, but there's nothing directly confirming that. Still, he could've found something inside of the Colossus. Soldiers who can't metalbend may use rocks, or they may use coal to provide the startup electricity that they pump into the Spirit Vines, or there may be some other reason for there to be rocks in there.


      Toph said EVERY earthbender can learn to metalbend.

      Good for her, but at a certain point, we have to make a distinction between what is hypothetically possible & what is plausible. And the simple fact is that the only person seen to maybe have reached Toph's level of metalbending is Korra, given that she could remove the mercury particles that were too small for Suyin.


      if you look at that link, I am telling you, its a perfect illustration of how to teach Bolin... It needs to be broken down.

      I don't make it a habit to read fan fictions as source material, but since you insist, I looked at it, & I completely disagree. Most of these methods aren't really groundbreaking. Mako & Suyin both tried positive reinforcement. I assume Bolin knows he has to sense impurities in the metal, as that's probably common knowledge. He doesn't seem to respond well to negative reinforcement.

      The methods in this story that haven't been tried in the show already are huge leaps. How do we know that the techniques in lavabending bear any similarity to the ones used for metalbending? If there's some critical figure that's been missing from Bolin's metalbending instruction, I don't see it here.

      I agree with you in some parts and disagree in some parts. I do agree that Bolin could have posibly found some earth on the ship somewhere but I don't see that as likely. But the coal assessment i could possibly see happening. But I disagree with lavabenders being able to melt metal. I say this because lavabenders make natural earth into lava but if a lavabenders can not find the natural earth within metal, they would not even get a chance to make it into lava. Because if that was the case, he would have essentially been metalbending... And if they can turn metal back into lava, bolin could have used this against the metalbender..... So i definitely disagree with that possibility.

      Now back onto the whole metalbending business in general. Bolin does respond to positive reinforcement but whenever I looked at Bolin try t o metalbend, he was not trying to sense the impurities... he was using brute strength by trying to squeeze, and in the prison, he just imitated what metalbenders did without trying to sense the impurities. That is my first point. My second point is the fan fiction part. Since you have read it, you must have seen the technique that was displayed..... I mean first he took off his shoes to gain a closer connection to earth. And he was essentially taught to sense earth without the use of his eyes.... This is the same techniques for metalbending. Toph in this case used lavabending as a base to give him a better understanding. And in this case it worked. But regardless, Bolin was taught to sense and feel for earth rather than just using eyesight. I feel like that could be a great technique to teach bolin. I always believed that simply telling Bolin to sense impurities would not work.. He would need to be shown how to do it by example.

      When Toph started bending large chunks of earth and then slowly it became smaller and smaller...... That is perfect in gradually teaching Bolin. And once you understand the technique of sensing earth instead of just relying on eyesight, you are 99% there when it comes to metalbending. This is why I was mad at Aang. He could have took just ONE DAY to become a metalbender... he already knew seismic sense which would have made metalbending easy. He already learned to "see" with earthbending and he only needed one more damn step to become a metalbender.... But yes, that is what I think. It is like some will be taught a formula in math and get it right away but for others, it needs to be broken down piece by piece. Korra is one of those people who gets it right away but Bolin and Toph's original students need(ed) to be broken down piece by piece.

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    • But I disagree with lavabenders being able to melt metal. I say this because lavabenders make natural earth into lava but if a lavabenders can not find the natural earth within metal, they would not even get a chance to make it into lava.

      Well, sensing the impurities & being able to bend them appear to be distinct steps, as Toph is able to feel them a few moves before she successfully bends them for the 1st time.

      And seeing as we have no idea how the mechanics of lavabending actually work, it's difficult to say what should or shouldn't be possible. What if it just projects a kind of wave of chi that melts earth? Then it wouldn't really matter whether or not the bender could sense the impurities.

      Because if that was the case, he would have essentially been metalbending...

      Not really. According to this hypothesis, lavabenders' only power over metal is to melt it to make use of the rock lava.

      And if they can turn metal back into lava, bolin could have used this against the metalbender..... So i definitely disagree with that possibility.

      Like...how? He'd just turn the blades flying at him into gobs of lava flying at him. True, then he could dodge the lava & use it, but he already had a weapon.

      Now back onto the whole metalbending business in general. Bolin does respond to positive reinforcement but whenever I looked at Bolin try t o metalbend, he was not trying to sense the impurities... he was using brute strength by trying to squeeze, and in the prison, he just imitated what metalbenders did without trying to sense the impurities. That is my first point. My second point is the fan fiction part.

      Was he? First time Toph metalbends, she's just punching things, & we only know she senses the impurities because it's illustrated & explained. It's quite plausible that Bolin was trying to sense the impurities, but just couldn't find them.

      Since you have read it, you must have seen the technique that was displayed.....

      Yes, I see the concept, but I'm not really convinced it would be enough.

      When Toph started bending large chunks of earth and then slowly it became smaller and smaller...... That is perfect in gradually teaching Bolin.

      That, I grant, is an idea that's unorthodox enough that it just might work.

      Of course, the only way to know for sure is if he actually does it at some point.

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      But I disagree with lavabenders being able to melt metal. I say this because lavabenders make natural earth into lava but if a lavabenders can not find the natural earth within metal, they would not even get a chance to make it into lava.

      Well, sensing the impurities & being able to bend them appear to be distinct steps, as Toph is able to feel them a few moves before she successfully bends them for the 1st time.

      And seeing as we have no idea how the mechanics of lavabending actually work, it's difficult to say what should or shouldn't be possible. What if it just projects a kind of wave of chi that melts earth? Then it wouldn't really matter whether or not the bender could sense the impurities.


      Because if that was the case, he would have essentially been metalbending...

      Not really. According to this hypothesis, lavabenders' only power over metal is to melt it to make use of the rock lava.


      And if they can turn metal back into lava, bolin could have used this against the metalbender..... So i definitely disagree with that possibility.

      Like...how? He'd just turn the blades flying at him into gobs of lava flying at him. True, then he could dodge the lava & use it, but he already had a weapon.


      Now back onto the whole metalbending business in general. Bolin does respond to positive reinforcement but whenever I looked at Bolin try t o metalbend, he was not trying to sense the impurities... he was using brute strength by trying to squeeze, and in the prison, he just imitated what metalbenders did without trying to sense the impurities. That is my first point. My second point is the fan fiction part.

      Was he? First time Toph metalbends, she's just punching things, & we only know she senses the impurities because it's illustrated & explained. It's quite plausible that Bolin was trying to sense the impurities, but just couldn't find them.


      Since you have read it, you must have seen the technique that was displayed.....

      Yes, I see the concept, but I'm not really convinced it would be enough.


      When Toph started bending large chunks of earth and then slowly it became smaller and smaller...... That is perfect in gradually teaching Bolin.

      That, I grant, is an idea that's unorthodox enough that it just might work.

      Of course, the only way to know for sure is if he actually does it at some point.


      Well first I am glad you didnt break down those long paragraphs into your reply haha.... Would have made it a long ass reply... But I mean we kind of know the concept to lavabending based on what we saw....We know that when Ghazan first showed us his lavabending, he did 2 things... the first was that he rotated the rocks against each other as at very fast speed which built up heat.....an example of this is when you scrub your hands together, it gets hotter and that is why people do that when they are extremely cold.... you mix the rubbing together and the high amount of pressure, which adds more heat, and the earth then melts into lava.... That is my theory but it could also be combined with the technique waterbenders use... since lavabenders can also convert the lava back to solid earth.... which reminds me... i think all earthbenders can bend existing lava.... its merely natural earth in this hot liquid form so I mean why not?

      But yes i believe for Bolin, that technique would be perfect because like I said before, you would need to break it down for bolin in order for him to get it. I am good at math but some of those formulas I didnt understand until the teacher broke it down to where it was like "really? its THAT easy?" I feel like bolin is very good at earthbending but the formula for metalbending needs to be broken down step by step til it becomes simple in the end....... And what Bo could have done was melted the floor the metalbender walked on and just took him out of the fight lol... Also you might have a point in what you said about Toph... but when Toph was doing it that way, she found the impurities and was able to use it to bend metal.... which means you have a point. BUT I will say that it was very early in metalbending. Bolin saw how Korra did it so at least he could have just held it and instead of squeezing, he could have had his hand over it trying to sense them that way... I mean toph's first students didnt get it right away.

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    • What it comes down to is that Toph (or the writers, if you wanna get meta) believes he has the potential, which kind of settles the matter for me.

      At some point, if you're willing to dismiss Toph's (and therefore the writers') appraisal of Bolin's potential, you should ask why you're so unwilling to believe Bolin could possibly do something that has become as common as metal bending. This isn't an RPG, each character doesn't get a skill tree whereby they pick a 'sub-element' and are stuck with just that element.

      Bolin will probably have a very steep learning curve, and will probably need a remarkably insightful teacher to help him, but it doesn't seem unreasonable that he'd eventually learn to metal bend. It doesn't matter what he'd do with it, it doesn't matter whether it'd replace lava in his skill set; just that he could, and whether that would happen.

      So, getting back to the original question, Team Korra is still young, so I expect it'll be some time before he gets around to it, but I forsee him maybe going to Toph to finally master metal bending. I have this headcannon in which she shuts him down completely, telling him Korra understands him far better, and should be his teacher (which would be great development for Korra, tbh).

      Which I wish we could get maybe a one or two-episode special on it, I hope we get to see Bolin learn it in the comics. It should be a hilarious affair.

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    • And what Bo could have done was melted the floor the metalbender walked on and just took him out of the fight lol..

      Okay, but by that metric, why didn't that metalbender do the same thing?

      At some point, if you're willing to dismiss Toph's (and therefore the writers') appraisal of Bolin's potential, you should ask why you're so unwilling to believe Bolin could possibly do something that has become as common as metal bending.

      1. I'm not.

      2. It's not that common if the rule of thumb is that 1/100 metalbenders accomplish it.

      3. Why aren't people questioning why "Toph says so" is supposed to settle the matter? Toph has never been infallible.

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    • Blasphemy! Toph, the greatest earthbender who ever lived, is infallible!

      But yeah, I was thinking 2 and 3 and qualifying 1 as Toph not necessarily being Word of God exposition, but was too lazy to post.

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    • I mean, if she asks, obviously I said she's always right.

      Anyway, my sentiments on a hybrid metal/lava bender, including Bolin, are not easy to communicate. I don't think it's a bad idea, but I don't necessarily think it's a good idea either.

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    • Well, we've seen Toph in only two phases of her life: as a pre-teen and an octagenarian, and only one of these is after decades of teaching, law enforcement, and general life experience. As such, it's not wrong to lend her opinion a little more wegiht; she'd know something about teaching dense people.

      At any rate, Toph certainly may not be infallible, as Suyin insists the only limitations on one's capacity for metal bending are self-imposted, implying that while only 1/100th of earthbenders are metalbenders, more are completely capable of doing so... again, with a steeper learning curve.

      But you're making the mistake of giving the concept a bad idea/good idea dichotomy. The writers have made plenty of decisions we wouldn't have made ourselves, but worked out fine narratively (more or less).

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    • Well, we've seen Toph in only two phases of her life: as a pre-teen and an octagenarian, and only one of these is after decades of teaching, law enforcement, and general life experience. As such, it's not wrong to lend her opinion a little more wegiht; she'd know something about teaching dense people.

      But expert bias is a thing. It is possible to know so much about a topic that you greatly overestimate what others are capable of understanding. Which I think she does if she thinks you haven't "really 'got' metalbending" unless you reach a level that only 2 people seem to have reached.

      At any rate, Toph certainly may not be infallible, as Suyin insists the only limitations on one's capacity for metal bending are self-imposted, implying that while only 1/100th of earthbenders are metalbenders, more are completely capable of doing so... again, with a steeper learning curve.

      Like I say, probably, but why does this have to be framed in terms of whether it's possible or impossible? What about plausibility?

      But you're making the mistake of giving the concept a bad idea/good idea dichotomy.

      Yeah? Obviously you can look at a plot point from multiple perspectives, but I think it's fair to say that people can weigh those perspectives & at least advance a claim that the idea was overall good or bad.

      The writers have made plenty of decisions we wouldn't have made ourselves, but worked out fine narratively (more or less).

      I didn't say that any idea I would do is automatically good & any I wouldn't is automatically bad.

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    • So it's important that we entrtain the plausibility of Bolin not being a metal bender, but the plausiblity that Toph, with all her experience, is right (and Bolin can metal bend)... that's less than relevant?

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    • Mrsunrider wrote: So it's important that we entrtain the plausibility of Bolin not being a metal bender, but the plausiblity that Toph, with all her experience, is right (and Bolin can metal bend)... that's less than relevant?

      Can/cannot is a false dichotomy. I can be a brain surgeon in theory. It's probably not happening.

      I've spelled this out over & over again.

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    • Oh, pardon me, but I beg of you to spell it out for this poor pleiban in finer detal.

      I mean, all this time it seemed you were arguing the likelihood: the likelihood against Bolin metal bending, such that it's not enough to warrant entertainment.

      However, Toph seems confident he could do it, but the likeihood she'd be right, well, let's just dismiss that.


      Where, sagacious poster, did I miss the point? Why is the one unlikelihood more worthy of your consideration than the (consspicuously opposed) other likelihood?

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    • Getting snotty with me is sure to get me to revoke any insult to your intellect that I didn't make.

      I've explained why Toph's word doesn't really clarify anything, noted that the probability is estimated in-universe at 1%, talked about what study methods he may or may not have tried yet, posted what techniques he would use if he did learn it, & even said making him a dual lava/metal bender could be a good story move, provided it wasn't done for pure fanservice.

      If you seriously think I haven't "entertained the possibility," where didn't you miss the point?

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