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  • With Ghazan as an earthbender yet able to lavabend, and given what we've seen previously with the Unnamed fire Avatar and his lavabending abilities (if only briefly in A:TLA), is it possible to state that lavabending is a specialized subskill of BOTH earthbending and firebending?

    Knowing what we knew before this season of LOK and the fact that the page is still categorized under firebending in addition to earthbending, but that only an Earth Kingdom symbol is on the page (rather than a Fire Nation symbol), is it safe to assume that both types of benders can learn and manifest the said ability?

    Keep in mind also that the fire Avatar caused volcanoes to erupt and spew lava (without changing anything on the surface) while Ghazan physically melts the ground into a lava-like state.

    What do you guys think?

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    • Well as far as we know only the avatar can handle more than one element, i think lavabending works in similar way as metalbending where people bend the impurritys inside the metal, the lava bender might do the same with lava

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    • I'm aware of that, but the point I'm making is to determine whether or not Lavabending can qualify as a subskill for both elements. In The Avatar State, the four Avatars prior to Aang were shown utilizing the state to bend their main element. Lavabending in that case was depicted as an exclusively firebending subskill, and then later on we started having debates on the wiki about the potential of two elements needing to be utilized to bend lava; fire and earth.

      Once we saw Ghazan doing the same, the situation became muddled, as now the question is stated in the initial post.

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    • Lava is not fire. It's molten/liquified earth. I read somewhere that he can vibrate earth molecules so fast that it turns the substance into lava. Lava is hot like fire, yes? So is rubbing your skin very fast to generate friction and heat. Rubbing two particular rocks can start a fire, too. Ghazan just has a deeper control over earth to the point that he can control even a minuscule molecule.

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    • H-Man Havoc wrote:
      I'm aware of that, but the point I'm making is to determine whether or not Lavabending can qualify as a subskill for both elements. In The Avatar State, the four Avatars prior to Aang were shown utilizing the state to bend their main element. Lavabending in that case was depicted as an exclusively firebending subskill, and then later on we started having debates on the wiki about the potential of two elements needing to be utilized to bend lava; fire and earth.

      In my opnion lavabending works as MUDBENDING where both earthbenders and waterbenders can use but to do so they must look for diferrent aspects of the mud (earth for the earthbender and water for the waterbender!).

      Also we have never seen a pure firebender bending lava only avatars and Ghazan. 

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    • That brings us back to the central question; as Toph and Katara both showed on two occasions (The Drill and The Runaway), they can both bend a semi-solid mixture with their respective elements (slurry in the former and mud in the latter). While neither is considered a subskill of their respective elements, lava is unique as it has a strong association with both elements. For sure it is a subskill of earthbending as lava is molten rock, but that very quality and the fact that lava will start fires when it comes into contact with flammable objects means that it probably could also be a subskill of firebending as well.

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    • ghazan's ability is considered to have retconned the avatar extras trivia. lavabending is only earthbending. it works just how waterbenders are able to freeze/melt water/ice: lava is just liquid earth, so ghazan is able to induce a phase change to melt the rocks. no "molecule shaking" involved, he just wills it to change.

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    • I have a theory about this but i'm not sure if the science works out.

      I heard that the explanation for how Ghazan lava-bends is that he bends the rocks (or certain particles in the rocks) so fast that they turn into lava. My theory is that a firebender could do the same thing by heating up the rocks. 

      Again, i'm not sure if the science works out. It's just wishful thinking.

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    • Intelligence4 wrote:
      ghazan's ability is considered to have retconned the avatar extras trivia. lavabending is only earthbending. it works just how waterbenders are able to freeze/melt water/ice: lava is just liquid earth, so ghazan is able to induce a phase change to melt the rocks. no "molecule shaking" involved, he just wills it to change.


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    • I do not understand why lavabending is considered a 'rare' subskill of earthbending.  All he is doing is phase-changing, just like waterbenders can control and manipulate water, ice, steam, and snow.  From a realistic point of view though, I have to question how Ghazan obtains the amount of heat required to melt the earth.  Unless those laws of physics do not apply to bending.  Also, another big thing, we must refer back to Guru Pathik:  All the elements are one and the same.  Air, earth, and water all have solid, liquid, and gas states.  And fire is a combination of oxygen, heat, and a hydrocarbon.  If you stop and think, fire partially contains the same building blocks of water.  Once you combine all these facts together, it becomes obvious that anyone and everyone in the Avatar universe has the potential to master all 4 elements at once.  Note that Iroh invented the lightning redirection technique by studying waterbenders.  In conclusion, the only difference between the Avatar and a normal bender, is that the Avatar's spirit is bonded to Raava, and this allowed Raava to remember the memories of all the people she was bonded to over the years.

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    • Fire is comprised of the fourth element of matter, plasma. Unlike the other bending arts, converting earth to lava is by no means easy, otherwise all earthbenders would be capable of doing it. But like metalbending, it is a special subskill.

      Additionally, Ghazan likely manipulates and converts the earth into molten material via friction and other forces, as that is exactly how he turned those three pieces of earth into a molten shuriken to escape.

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    • Goldensun87 wrote:
      I do not understand why lavabending is considered a 'rare' subskill of earthbending.  All he is doing is phase-changing...

      And what's weird about phase-changing being a rare subskill for earthbenders? You give a good reason for this being the case yourself: a lot of energy would be required to melt regular earth.

      Here's another reason: Lava only rarely occurs in environments that humans inhabit. Most earthbenders have never encountered lava, let alone attempted to bend it and create it from regular earth.

      Intelligence4 wrote: ghazan's ability is considered to have retconned the avatar extras trivia. lavabending is only earthbending. it works just how waterbenders are able to freeze/melt water/ice: lava is just liquid earth, so ghazan is able to induce a phase change to melt the rocks. no "molecule shaking" involved, he just wills it to change.

      Actually, if he wills it to phase-change, that means he interfered with the molecules' natural manner of shaking (everything with a non-absolute-zero temperature is constantly shaking by the way), so you might as well talk about him "shaking up" the molecules, even if he isn't consciously focussing on specific molecules to make them shake faster.

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    • Goldensun87 wrote: Note that Iroh invented the lightning redirection technique by studying waterbenders.

      While he did indeed create that subskill by studying waterbenders, a flashback of his grandfather Sozin in The Avatar and the Fire Lord showed that he may have borrowed from his grandfather's technique for smoke redirection when fighting the volcano with Roku.

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    • Goldensun87 wrote: Note that Iroh invented the lightning redirection technique by studying waterbenders.

      While he did indeed create that subskill by studying waterbenders, a flashback of his grandfather Sozin in The Avatar and the Fire Lord showed that he may have borrowed from his grandfather's technique for smoke redirection when fighting the volcano with Roku.

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    • H-Man Havoc wrote:

      Goldensun87 wrote: Note that Iroh invented the lightning redirection technique by studying waterbenders.

      While he did indeed create that subskill by studying waterbenders, a flashback of his grandfather Sozin in The Avatar and the Fire Lord showed that he may have borrowed from his grandfather's technique for smoke redirection when fighting the volcano with Roku.

      That was actually Sozin draining thermal energy, causing chunks of lava to solidify. So firebenders can actually phase-change whatever they want by adding or substracting thermal energy, though it's a lot less spontaneous than with benders phase-changing their native element. 

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    • I'm inclined to believe Goldensun87 on this. We know that anyone could gain the power to control any of the elements. It's not just being the Avatar that allows this. Wan, before he joined with Raava, went and got each of the elements from the turtles. This is the primary reason the Avatar has the ability to bend all the elements. The second, as Goldensun87 mentioned, is because after being joined with Raava, the reincarnated Avatar can call upon the experiences from their past lives and in turn the knowledge of each bending. By this logic, the ability to bend an element originally comes from the turtles(as far as we know), not so much the legends that they tell in TLA(Waterbenders learning from the moon, airbenders learning from the flying bison, etc). After that, however, it appears to be a genetic trait passed down. This is why you don't have random firebenders popping up in the earth nation; because there are no firebenders there to have offspring. After Aang however, and the formation of Republic City, we see a surge of each type of bender living together. For example, Bolin and Mako's parents; they were, respectively, a firebender and an earthbender. By the logic of it being a genetic trait, they were both just as likely to have no bending powers, both, or one of each. 

      Now, this all being said, there are some flaws in this theory. For example, as far as we know, the Avatar's all had children. None of them have multiple elements though. Also, the Avatar being able to carry over the elements through reincarnation isn't really supported by the genetic theory because there would be no actual blood relation. 

      All in all, I doubt the writers are really giving it all this much thought. I figure they're more so writing to entertain, not to develope of full lore/mythos for the Avatar world, which I find unfortunate.

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    • Well, remember what Su told Bolin: "the only thing holding you back is your attitude".  This is a stretch, but perhaps specific trains of thought can block one's chi (to a small degree), and as a result, each person is initially inclined to only one of the 4 elements.  And, I'm not sure genetics plays a role in determining who gets bending.  Don't nonbending couples give birth to benders every now and then?  At the beginning of Korra, they retconned the Avatar's inability to master a certain element by saying it was because of his/her personality, as opposed to the "opposite element" thing they established in The Last Airbender.

      Oh, I think they have given it that much thought.  But, as we can see, putting these ideas into words is quite time-consuming, and attempting to understand and make sense of the ideas presented takes even longer.  But, it totally makes sense that Mike and Bryan would not dig in to the logic, because they are after all, aiming this series on children, not adults.  But it is brilliant of them to leave implications for us adults to analyze and discuss about.

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    • Azrael the Sorrowful wrote: All in all, I doubt the writers are really giving it all this much thought. I figure they're more so writing to entertain, not to develope of full lore/mythos for the Avatar world, which I find unfortunate.

      I wholeheartedly agree. Lava is associated with fire, but lava is not composed of fire. And if you ask me, past avatars bend lava by just having deeper spiritual capability, not by combining a manipulation of fire and earth. And that deeper spiritual capability allows them greater control over one of the toughest elements--earth.

      As to whether the phase-change comes from agitating molecules, or just willing particles of earth into a more fluid state, I think is irrelevant. I mean, really, it's not like the benders know anything at all about molecules. They can bend, and anything else we absolutely NEED to know about bending, we will learn at the appropriate time, imho.

      All else is, no offense intended, sort of irrelevant.

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    • Goldensun87 wrote: Well, remember what Su told Bolin: "the only thing holding you back is your attitude".  This is a stretch, but perhaps specific trains of thought can block one's chi (to a small degree), and as a result, each person is initially inclined to only one of the 4 elements.  And, I'm not sure genetics plays a role in determining who gets bending.  Don't nonbending couples give birth to benders every now and then?  At the beginning of Korra, they retconned the Avatar's inability to master a certain element by saying it was because of his/her personality, as opposed to the "opposite element" thing they established in The Last Airbender.

      Oh, I think they have given it that much thought.  But, as we can see, putting these ideas into words is quite time-consuming, and attempting to understand and make sense of the ideas presented takes even longer.  But, it totally makes sense that Mike and Bryan would not dig in to the logic, because they are after all, aiming this series on children, not adults.  But it is brilliant of them to leave implications for us adults to analyze and discuss about.

      Actually if you think about it, part of the problem IS the personality of the bender; learning the opposing element can be difficult enough, but also potentially near-impossible unless the Avatar learns to compensate. In Aang's case, airbending is consistent with flowing energy and pacifism; always finding ways to deescalate or avoid conflicts. Earthbending on the other hand requires one to tackle problems head-on, and that's why Aang was having issues. This also translates to the elements as airbending is a dynamic art, while earthbending is strong and deliberate, which Aang wasn't, until he was faced with having to save Sokka from the Sabretooth Moose-Lion. He couldn't continue to launch and redirect the beast from attacking, because she simply turned around and charged again and again. That's why he finally decided to face her head-on, and lo and behold he managed to earthbend her into submission.

      As for Korra, being all physical and only caring for training her abilities, it was relatively easy for her to learn firebending because despite her being a waterbender, her personality matched that of a firebender who wanted nothing but to be the best and unchallenged bender in the world. She couldn't learn airbending until later because she had no patience for the spirituality associated with the art and instead wanted to force it to come to her. Only once she started to believe in herself and learn the evasive techniques and embrace her spirituality as the Avatar could she airbend, even though at that point she had been blocked of her other three abilities.

      So no, nothing in this regard was retconned, but rather Bryke expanded further on it, by establishing that the various elements have different personality traits and that one needs to have an open mind should they be willing to do what it takes to master each one.

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    • I had a theory that lavabending is a type of Earthbending that can only be learned by an Avatar who can combine the fire and Earth, or by an Earthbender who has Fire nation blood in them. That would explain why it was an Avatar level skill until the nations became more mixed, and why it is still very rare today. We know Bolin has fire nation blood in him, but Ghazan we can't be sure about. That would be an interesting turn of events, because that would mean that ordinary people would be able to learn how to mix two elemental abilities to some degree without being an Avatar. I could be totally wrong, but it would be interesting to see if the writers try something like this.

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    • Bktaylor wrote:
      I had a theory that lavabending is a type of Earthbending that can only be learned by an Avatar who can combine the fire and Earth, or by an Earthbender who has Fire nation blood in them. That would explain why it was an Avatar level skill until the nations became more mixed, and why it is still very rare today. We know Bolin has fire nation blood in him, but Ghazan we can't be sure about. That would be an interesting turn of events, because that would mean that ordinary people would be able to learn how to mix two elemental abilities to some degree without being an Avatar. I could be totally wrong, but it would be interesting to see if the writers try something like this.

      I wonder what Mako's earth-related firebending move could be then. The ability to create solid blocks of fire maybe?

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    • fire is a chemical reaction, it can't be something solid.

      lavabending has nothing to do with firebending, or firebending ancestry.

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    • That's not neccessarily true. Firebending is moreso heatbending that actually firebending. The fire appears to just be a biproduct of combusting the oxygen in the air. Proof for this is actually quite simple to find. For example, Zuko, while underwater, melted ice in order to break in. This has nothing to do with fire. If you take this principle and apply it to earthbending, then it would be simple for someone with the primary ability to earthbend as well as at least minor firebending ability to just alter the heat of the earth and turn it into lava.

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    • first of all, people other than the avatar can only control one element. an earthbender can't have any firebending abilities whatsoever.

      also, it's been shown several times that lavabending is just phase-changing earth, just as waterbenders do with ice and water.

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    • Intelligence4 wrote:
      fire is a chemical reaction, it can't be something solid.

      lavabending has nothing to do with firebending, or firebending ancestry.

      Well, there is such a thing as aerogel, often called solid air, which is basically a minimal solid structure with gas in it. Since flames are just energized gas, I don't see how you couldn't have "solid fire".

      Even ignoring that, we're just hypothesizing about a fantasy universe here. We don't know if the physics are the same as in our universe.

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    • That's not actually true. Wan was able to control all of the elements before he bonded with Raava. The only reason the avatar can automatically control all of the elements is because the avatar is a reincarnation of Wan, who could control all the elements. The ability to bend an element is also clearly a genetic trait(ie: no random firebenders popping up in the earthkingdom). It's not a hard stretch.

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    • he was only able to control one element at a time, raava had to switch them out for him.

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    • I'm guessing they gave Bo lavabending for the following reasons:

      • They couldn't let something that awesome just die with Ghazan (combustionbending didn't die with Combustion Man, and it's at least implied that it also didn't die with P'Li).
      • His mother having been Fire Nation made it thematically appropriate.
      • Too damn many metalbenders already.
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    • Supermensch wrote:
      Intelligence4 wrote:
      fire is a chemical reaction, it can't be something solid.

      lavabending has nothing to do with firebending, or firebending ancestry.

      Well, there is such a thing as aerogel, often called solid air, which is basically a minimal solid structure with gas in it. Since flames are just energized gas, I don't see how you couldn't have "solid fire".

      Even ignoring that, we're just hypothesizing about a fantasy universe here. We don't know if the physics are the same as in our universe.

      Yea I wouldn't worry to much about creating lava or "solid fire". How about we all work out the physics on "entering the void" and flying...

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    • Alright, so I think I can explain away some of the confusion. In the past, we have seen avatars, firebenders, and earthbenders mess with lava. Where lava was actually moved around: the unnamed fire avatar, Kyoshi, Roku, Ghazan, and Bolin. Where lava was cooled: Aang (with airbending), Sozin (with firebending)

      Most of the confusion lies with the unnamed fire avatar bending the lava in the Avatar State episode. He was actually bending earth. I think the creators simply showed him with the volcanoes because they  are excellent images of red that connotes the fire nation. 

      Now for the extra that states that lava bending is a combination of earth and fire bending. This is not completely wrong. Firebending can be used to thermally heat up or cool down the lava (and even airbending can be used to cool down the lava). While it is like a retcon, I think the writers were not being too technical and they were just trying to associate lava with heat and thus firebending.

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    • RELYT wrote:
      Supermensch wrote:
      Intelligence4 wrote:
      fire is a chemical reaction, it can't be something solid.

      lavabending has nothing to do with firebending, or firebending ancestry.

      Well, there is such a thing as aerogel, often called solid air, which is basically a minimal solid structure with gas in it. Since flames are just energized gas, I don't see how you couldn't have "solid fire".

      Even ignoring that, we're just hypothesizing about a fantasy universe here. We don't know if the physics are the same as in our universe.

      Yea I wouldn't worry to much about creating lava or "solid fire". How about we all work out the physics on "entering the void" and flying...

      Simple, you just make the air dense enough so that it can support your weight and diminish the air pressure from the air above you.

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    • if that was the case you wouldn't need to be spiritually free of all earthly attachments though, you'd just need to be a powerful airbender. imo, they just did that so the bison flying w/o a huge wind would make sense

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    • Intelligence4 wrote:
      if that was the case you wouldn't need to be spiritually free of all earthly attachments though, you'd just need to be a powerful airbender. imo, they just did that so the bison flying w/o a huge wind would make sense

      Is there a scientific reason why bloodbending usually requires a full moon? Is there a scientific reason why a lot of earthbenders can't seem to metalbend or lavabend? As far as I've observed, benders don't actually know how they do the things they do, they just enter the right mental state and do what they do. That's why it took a blind girl that could see through earthbending to realize that you could manipulate metal by focusing your bending on the impurities. If there were scientists in the Avatarverse that could show benders exactly how their powers worked (e.g. you create lightning by adding energy to these negative particles spinning around these positive cores until they separate from the cores, you can fly by drawing the air particles around you closer together so they can support your weight and then excerting force on this layer of dense air into the direction of your choice) I'm sure many people would suddenly become able to use all kinds of special skills. But since that isn't the case just yet, benders are forced to rely on the method of stumbling upon just the right mental state to intuitively bend a certain way. And becoming detached from all things earthly seems like an appropriate mental state for achieving flight.

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    • i dont think lavabending is fusing firebending and earthbending....... i think i heard that ghazon use earth bending to somehow lavabend

      Guys i think we have to take this from a scientific point of view................. remember that earth and rocks are formed by heat etc he could have somehow used the heat that made earth and rocks and lavabend.... thats my take on it :0

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    • Just a thought, but I think Lavabending is still a fusion of Firebending and Earthbending. The reason I believe this is because Bolin, although an earthbender, also descends from Firebender heritage as well. I think that while an Earthbender, his multicultural side has allowed him to Lavabend as a sort of rudementary manifestation of the mixed heritage. 

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    • Just like how ice is the solid state of water, lava is the liquid state of earth. There really is no difference and the analogy is perfect.

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    • Skarrj wrote:
      Just a thought, but I think Lavabending is still a fusion of Firebending and Earthbending. The reason I believe this is because Bolin, although an earthbender, also descends from Firebender heritage as well. I think that while an Earthbender, his multicultural side has allowed him to Lavabend as a sort of rudementary manifestation of the mixed heritage. 

      Then how does Ghazan lavabend?

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    • Lavabending is primarily an earthbending skill with a few holes in which firebending can be implimented.

      This skill can be performed solely through earthbending via phase changing the material through preasure and molecular energy. Lava is still earth so bending lava itself is just a difficult style of earthbending.

      As for how fire can be tagged along with it. As seen firebenders also seem to have some control over heat energy seen by Sozin being able to redirect the fumes coming from a volcano. So firebenders may be able to phase change lava in some cases and perhaps even maniulate it. Though true manipulation has only been shown with Avatars and earthbenders.

      Also, a mixed genome pool between earth and fire will not have any effect on bending. The genetic function of bending doesn't blend together that way.

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    • Azrael the Sorrowful wrote:
      That's not actually true. Wan was able to control all of the elements before he bonded with Raava. The only reason the avatar can automatically control all of the elements is because the avatar is a reincarnation of Wan, who could control all the elements. The ability to bend an element is also clearly a genetic trait(ie: no random firebenders popping up in the earthkingdom). It's not a hard stretch.

      You are not entirely correct. Wan only held one element himself at the time. When he asked for the second one, the lion turtle said that one cannot cary more than one element, which is why Raava carried the others for him. The only instances where he was able to bend all elements was when he was empowered by Raava (she passed through his body). The Harmonic Convergence then fused both Wan and Raava together, granting him the ability to bend all elements.

      I think there is no evidence yet that suggests that anyone aside from the Avatar can bend more than one element. Ghazan and Bolin are clearly earthbenders. As we have seen from Iroh, it is possible that benders of one element can be inspired by another to develop a new technique of their own. This is probably the source of lavabending as well. Perhaps it does have something to do with one of their parents being a firebender, making them naturally more susceptible to certain firebender-like traits, but I think it is unlikely that they are anything more than earthbenders. Besides, if there was a firebending element involved, the White Lotus would have never chosen wood to imprison Ghazan. He demonstrated during his escape that the fire came from heat he generated by quickly spinning earth.

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    • Iggey's right.

      Raava (or was it the Lion Turtles?) made it quite clear that no human could bear to be instilled with more than one element at a time. It would kill any ordinary human, unless given spiritual strength by another spirit (in Wan's case, that was Raava, of course).

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    • i don't think it's that a human can't stand more than one element, but that it would be physically impossible for a human to have more than one.

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    • It could be that Bolin's mixed heritage enabled him to be a lavabender, and if that's the case, then it means Ghazan likely also had a similar dual-Earth/Fire genetic makeup. This could likely be, especially because of the comics discussing the Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom which were then amalgamated into the United Republic, and so there is very likely to be assimilation between firebenders and earthbenders.

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    • How could Korra bend all four elements still without Ravaa connected to her? (She airbended to get into the tree of time, and she water-bended to destroy Unavaatu).

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    • BumJun wrote:
      How could Korra bend all four elements still without Ravaa connected to her? (She airbended to get into the tree of time, and she water-bended to destroy Unavaatu).

      There was a pretty big thread on that already, but basically, when Wan merged with Raava and became the Avatar, it changed his soul/spirit in a way that enabled him to carry all 4 elements. Even after Raava was seperated from Korra, her soul was still Avatar-ish and still contained the 4 elements.

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    • I'm really hoping they don't pull the "Bolin can lavabend because his mother was Fire Nation" thing on anything other than a thematic level.  That dances a bit too close to dual-bending territory.  If anything, make it "Bolin can lavabend because, let's face it, he's always kind of fought like a waterbender."  (Ghazan also kind of fought like a waterbender.  No wonder he probably had a thing for Ming-Hua.)

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    • Shadowulf1 wrote:
      Iggey's right.

      Raava (or was it the Lion Turtles?) made it quite clear that no human could bear to be instilled with more than one element at a time. It would kill any ordinary human, unless given spiritual strength by another spirit (in Wan's case, that was Raava, of course).

      That's not exactly what the lion turtle said.  He said that no human has ever carried more than one element before.  This was because each lion turtle only knew how to instill one type of element (or chose to instill one type, not sure on that).  In any case, Amon proved that bending ability is not spiritual, but physical.  So, the lion-turtles were probably altering people's brains as necessary, then putting them back as they were, and so on.

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    • actually, bending is spiritual: that's how the avatar keeps his/her bending from lifetime to lifetime: it's "stored" on the soul.

      what they said amon did was a kind of bloodbending/healing mix thing where he permanently chi-blocked his victims. so technically, they still have their bending, but they can't use it.

      also as far as the lion turtles go, he did indeed say that no human had held more than one before, but he also said that in order for that to happen, raava would have to help wan have more than one. then we also saw that wan couldn't have more than one at a time, and that raava had to switch them for him.

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    • Well, in atla both katara and toph can mudbend. The guru in atla who helps aang open his chakras also says that the greatest illusion in the world is the illusion of separation, and even the separation of the four elements is an illusion (while toph learns metalbending). Also, katara can turn her water into ice, therefore she can control the temperature of the water she bends. So why shouldn't earthbenders be able to control the temperature of their earth and melt it into lava? A definition of fire is "combustion or burning, in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke." Lava definitely gives off light, heat, and smoke, so it is technically fire and earth, just like mud is both water and earth. To conclude, lavabending is a specialized subskill of both firebending and earthbending.

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    • They can phase change their elements. In the process, they alter the temperature.

      A lavabender could set something on fire with their lava, but they don't really control the flame like a firebender does. They control the earth, which is lava.

      "Mudbending" as has been discussed a few times, waterbenders control the water in an earth/water mix. Earthbenders control the earth in an earth/water mix. They don't really control the other element beyond incidentally moving it due to moving their element.

      Lava is not fire. It's very hot and ends up emitting light, see blackbody radiation.

      Lavabending is earthbending, not firebending. And "mudbending" is not actually a subskill, just water or earth bending, with another material along for the ride, but not actually being bent.

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    • Deist Zealot wrote:
      I'm really hoping they don't pull the "Bolin can lavabend because his mother was Fire Nation" thing on anything other than a thematic level.  That dances a bit too close to dual-bending territory.  If anything, make it "Bolin can lavabend because, let's face it, he's always kind of fought like a waterbender."  (Ghazan also kind of fought like a waterbender.  No wonder he probably had a thing for Ming-Hua.)

      The true reason Bolin can lavabend is because he is Sokka reincarnated. And Sokka is Water Tribe, therefore, Bolin can earthbend and by using his reincarnated semi-waterbending skills, he can lavabend.    

      Jk XD

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    • Basically, if 2 benders can both move the substance, it's not a subskill, it's a colloquialism for using bending on a mixture.

      (Cloudbending, mudbending, etc.)

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    • Lil Tinymouse wrote:

      Deist Zealot wrote:
      I'm really hoping they don't pull the "Bolin can lavabend because his mother was Fire Nation" thing on anything other than a thematic level.  That dances a bit too close to dual-bending territory.  If anything, make it "Bolin can lavabend because, let's face it, he's always kind of fought like a waterbender."  (Ghazan also kind of fought like a waterbender.  No wonder he probably had a thing for Ming-Hua.)

      The true reason Bolin can lavabend is because he is Sokka reincarnated. And Sokka is Water Tribe, therefore, Bolin can earthbend and by using his reincarnated semi-waterbending skills, he can lavabend.    

      Jk XD

      thank you for injecting some comedy into a far too serious and controversial subject. no sarcasm there honestly. also sokka cant water bend ;)

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    • So far from what we've seen a Non-Avatar can't bend multiple completely seperate elemants, only Sub-Elemants (Like Lightning to Fire-Bending or Metal to Earth-Bending) Therefore Lavabending is a sub of Earth-Bending and the only way a person who's not an Earth-Bender can Lavabend if he/she is The Avatar, and Bolin is not an Avatar, and he can not Fire-Bend, so this is not true. It's cool to think about though.

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    • AvatarAvocado wrote:
      So far from what we've seen a Non-Avatar can't bend multiple completely seperate elemants, only Sub-Elemants (Like Lightning to Fire-Bending or Metal to Earth-Bending) Therefore Lavabending is a sub of Earth-Bending and the only way a person who's not an Earth-Bender can Lavabend if he/she is The Avatar, and Bolin is not an Avatar, and he can not Fire-Bend, so this is not true. It's cool to think about though.

      The Avatar is an earthbender. The Avatar can lavabend because he/she can earthbend.

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    • ArianaFan14 wrote:
      AvatarAvocado wrote:
      So far from what we've seen a Non-Avatar can't bend multiple completely seperate elemants, only Sub-Elemants (Like Lightning to Fire-Bending or Metal to Earth-Bending) Therefore Lavabending is a sub of Earth-Bending and the only way a person who's not an Earth-Bender can Lavabend if he/she is The Avatar, and Bolin is not an Avatar, and he can not Fire-Bend, so this is not true. It's cool to think about though.
      The Avatar is an earthbender. The Avatar can lavabend because he/she can earthbend.

      Yeah true, I don't see how that contridicts what I said at all.

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    • AvatarAvocado wrote:
      ArianaFan14 wrote:
      AvatarAvocado wrote:
      So far from what we've seen a Non-Avatar can't bend multiple completely seperate elemants, only Sub-Elemants (Like Lightning to Fire-Bending or Metal to Earth-Bending) Therefore Lavabending is a sub of Earth-Bending and the only way a person who's not an Earth-Bender can Lavabend if he/she is The Avatar, and Bolin is not an Avatar, and he can not Fire-Bend, so this is not true. It's cool to think about though.
      The Avatar is an earthbender. The Avatar can lavabend because he/she can earthbend.
      Yeah true, I don't see how that contridicts what I said at all.

      You said the only "person who's not an Earth-Bender can Lavabend if he/she is The Avatar." That doesn't make sense because the Avatar is an earthbender and so can lavabend.

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    • It was kind of awkwardly worded.  But I think what they were trying to get at was as follows:

      • Korra could hypothetically pick up lavabending.
      • Korra is natively a waterbender.
      • Korra falls back on fire a lot.
      • Lavabending is still specifically an earth specialty. 

      So, in other words: anyone else lavabending during Korra's lifetime would, by definition, have to be an earthbender as opposed to any other element.  (I once again nominate sandbenders, or that girl with the jata from the fighting ring.)

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    • What girl? What's a jata? Is it a medical company? Google thinks it's a medical company.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      What girl? What's a jata? Is it a medical company? Google thinks it's a medical company.

      The girl who was giving Korra a bad time in that Earth Rumble knockoff in "After All These Years" and "Korra Alone."  She appears to have dreadlocks, but calling them "jata" (a Sanskrit word for a similar hairstyle) seemed more relevant to the cultural inspirations of the setting (especially as that's the only similar hairstyle I could find that originated anywhere in Asia).

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    • While obviously a self-parody and non-canon, I would like to point out the Chibi short "Bending Battle" shows Zuko lavabending and even riding a dragon made of lava.

      Again while non-canon, to me this supports the idea that it was originally a firebending skill retconned into an earthbending one in Legend of Korra.

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    • I thought that was the general consensus.

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    • I honestly say thatt Lavabending is VERY VERY rare for Earthbenders And if you so happen to have some Firebending blood in you your chances are increased.

      Also Lion turtles said no Human can bend multpile elements at once Except the Avatar him/herself Lavabending has to be either Earth or Fire but Earth seems more reasonable because Its like breaking u the Earth into a liquid then making it hotter.

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