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  • Cant really figure it out

    He could of prevented alot of problems if he deployed the united forces against Unalaq, such as the destruction of republic city. Korra would also still have connection to previous lives. Is Raiko doing whats right? Korra could have explained the Water Tribe war would destroy republic city and in the end it did

    According to the S3 premiere, his approval rating is apparently as low as the Avatar. Do you think he will be taken down?

    Personally I do not like Raiko as a character, but does anyone differ? And if so what good did he do? It only seems they put a non-bender as president because equalists complained the entire council were benders.

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    • Personally I do not like Raiko. Yes Korra has her flaws, but she is technically Aang and should be given the proper respect as the cofounder of the city. In my opinion he has yet to give her proper respect. 

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    • Agreed with Sheremy01

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    • Ugh, politics.... What's next? Your going to SUE the Avatar? Incredibles much?

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    • He may have the best intentions for the people of the URN but I've always seen him as a glory hound looking for good publicity. His very first appearance on the show has him shaking hands with Korra and pausing to look at the camera and smile.

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    • I don't really see him as good or bad, just kind of neutral. He's trying to look out for his people, and his strategy seems to be to keep them out of conflict at all costs.

      Not sure why he seems to be so antagonistic towards Korra, though. Maybe he just rankles at the idea of someone being higher up in the food chain than him simply by a coincidence of birth?

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    • Not sure why he seems to be so antagonistic towards Korra, though. Maybe he just rankles at the idea of someone being higher up in the food chain than him simply by a coincidence of birth?

      Well the whole conflict at the heart of Legend of Korra is the battle between Tradition and Progress. Tradition in the Airbender Verse tends to favor things like Monarchy and Caste systems, Circumstances of Birth, spirituality, and connection to nature. While progress tends to mean things like capitalism, being rewarded for your hard work, skepticism and suspicion of spirits, and technological advancement.

      To him Korra is a representation of everything he was elected to do away with, and the fact that harmonic convergence all but forced traditional values on this new progressive world. Lets just say he's probably not going to be too happy about it. Will he become so embittered as to become a villain? time will tell.

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    • The Air Nomad Critic wrote:
      I don't really see him as good or bad, just kind of neutral. He's trying to look out for his people, and his strategy seems to be to keep them out of conflict at all costs.

      Not sure why he seems to be so antagonistic towards Korra, though. Maybe he just rankles at the idea of someone being higher up in the food chain than him simply by a coincidence of birth?

      It could be that he sees the Avatar as a galvanizing and/or problematic force to the nation. She did almost get Iroh to sail off and declare war, essentially begins the core problem in book 2, and decided to keep the portals open. 

      But I also see him as a purely neutral force in the world.

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    • On second thought i think that he MUST be a neutral force. His nation is supposed to inculde people from all the others. He can't support one of them, as people in URN may rebel, or even worse...

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    • Somehow I hope Raiko randomly becomes an Airbender in Book 3 so he gets taken down from council since an "non-bender" is required for president to keep equalists happy

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      Somehow I hope Raiko randomly becomes an Airbender in Book 3 so he gets taken down from council since an "non-bender" is required for president to keep equalists happy

      I don't thin being a non-bender is an requirement for president.

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    • Superbike10 wrote:
      Thinklogic wrote:
      Somehow I hope Raiko randomly becomes an Airbender in Book 3 so he gets taken down from council since an "non-bender" is required for president to keep equalists happy
      I don't thin being a non-bender is an requirement for president.

      Wasnt the reason for an non-bender president was because equalists complained about the entire council being benders? If an bender were to be president it would start the whole "benders are a higher class" thing again

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      Superbike10 wrote:
      Thinklogic wrote:
      Somehow I hope Raiko randomly becomes an Airbender in Book 3 so he gets taken down from council since an "non-bender" is required for president to keep equalists happy
      I don't thin being a non-bender is an requirement for president.
      Wasnt the reason for an non-bender president was because equalists complained about the entire council being benders? If an bender were to be president it would start the whole "benders are a higher class" thing again


      There was nothing said in the series or by the writers about the requirements to be a non-bender for president. The council could not represent the majority of the nation which is why been taken out of power.

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      Superbike10 wrote:
      Thinklogic wrote:
      Somehow I hope Raiko randomly becomes an Airbender in Book 3 so he gets taken down from council since an "non-bender" is required for president to keep equalists happy
      I don't thin being a non-bender is an requirement for president.
      Wasnt the reason for an non-bender president was because equalists complained about the entire council being benders? If an bender were to be president it would start the whole "benders are a higher class" thing again

      That and other problems like a bender police force and a largely bender military. Bumi seemed to be the only non-bender in the military.

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    • Neither, just stubborn and at times idiotic.

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    • He does face a problem he cannot fix. Just think of him as the current president with so many problems.

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    • Raiko's a jerk. He seemed to be at least trying last season, but Korra was right, he acted stupidly & has no one but himself to blame for the vines. Trying to pawn the problem off on Korra, he should be embarrassed.

      That said, I doubt he's "evil," per se. Just generally a bad person. Or they might go the route of "he was just frustrated & making bad choices, he'll redeem himself in the end & all will get hugs." I hope not, though.

      I nominate him for Jerkbending Master.

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    • He is a politician so he was the usual baggage with that. Spin spin spin doctor all of your problems to another.

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    • It really irritated me when he brought the press with him so they could have watched Korra fail -___-"

      Korra saving that man off the bridge would have definitely boosted Her approval ratings. It seems the citizens of RC agree that "banishing" Korra was a pretty shocking/reckless thing to do.

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    • I don't like him in the slightest. He blames Korra for all the damage that happened to the city during Harmonic Convergence but if hadn't spent the whole last season sitting on his hands something would have gotten done. Even after Korra told him about what Unalaq's real plan was he refused to give her the reinforcements she could have used to push right into the South Pole and stop it from happening. Now, after all the damage and the fact that he was proven wrong he wants to point fingers and blame her for everything.

      Raiko is a bad man, simple as that.

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    • I will say, but not as a defense of him, that "there's a vine growing right through my office!" was a hilarious line.

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    • Swampbender55 wrote:
      I don't like him in the slightest. He blames Korra for all the damage that happened to the city during Harmonic Convergence but if hadn't spent the whole last season sitting on his hands something would have gotten done. Even after Korra told him about what Unalaq's real plan was he refused to give her the reinforcements she could have used to push right into the South Pole and stop it from happening. Now, after all the damage and the fact that he was proven wrong he wants to point fingers and blame her for everything.

      Raiko is a bad man, simple as that.

      This part got me quite alot, if Raiko did send his forces to stop Unalaq there would be no damage done to republic city

      Just imagine what it would be like if Korra was made president.

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      Swampbender55 wrote:
      I don't like him in the slightest. He blames Korra for all the damage that happened to the city during Harmonic Convergence but if hadn't spent the whole last season sitting on his hands something would have gotten done. Even after Korra told him about what Unalaq's real plan was he refused to give her the reinforcements she could have used to push right into the South Pole and stop it from happening. Now, after all the damage and the fact that he was proven wrong he wants to point fingers and blame her for everything.

      Raiko is a bad man, simple as that.

      This part got me quite alot, if Raiko did send his forces to stop Unalaq there would be no damage done to republic city

      Just imagine what it would be like if Korra was made president.

      Then she would not hesistate sending the United Forces to stop Unalaq's plans at the South Pole and prevented the city's destruction. But the bad part she have to deal with the press, politics and paperwork take Tsunade for example.

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    • I sympathized with Raiko in Book 2. Korra can't just use the United Fores as her own and thrust the United Republic into war with the Northern Water Tribe. Raiko just wanted to keep his people out of war. 

      That being said, he's such a douche in Book 3. It's not like Korra stopped an anti-bending revolution and 10,000 years of darkness or anything... 

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    • He seems a bit ambitious and narrow-minded yes, but in his defence the city he's been living with has been completely thrown into chaos with spirits running about. It's a hard adjustment for anyone to make. 


      He vents his anger on Korra, which may or may not be fair. Korra didn't exactly consulte with anyone on the role of the spirits in their world. 

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    • I'm in the "he's neutral" camp. However he is reacting very badly to the new situation he now finds himself and in an attempt to vent his frustrations/improve his public imagine Raiko takes every chance he can to make Korra, who he blames for this, look bad. Throwing her out of the city seems to have been the a very bad move on his part, after stopping both the Equalists and UnaVaatu, Korra may not have the public's approval but she probably has their thanks.

      And it may also be like what Tenzin said to Korra, trying to make things better isn't always going to make everyone happy. Raiko seems to be attempting just to make everyone happy and is failing miserably. Kind of like a certain real-life president. Eventually Raiko is probably going to either end up having to ask for Korra's help or he'll get sacked/resign and his replacement will invite her back. I just hope it isn't Meelo who takes his job.

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    • Who cares, Raiko is an asshole. Once an asshole, always an asshole

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    • Raiko is certainly not evil or any kind of villain, but he is definitely an incompetent moron that has absolutely no place in politics whatsoever. I was not at all surprised to hear that he had pretty zero percent approval rating amongst the people in Republic City....I'm honestly more surprised that there wasn't some kind of push for a recall election or call for him to step down after the whole fiasco with UnaVaatu and his refusal to do his job pretty much wound with Republic City getting destroyed >_> I'd have to say Raiko is definitely bad in the sense that he is unfit for his position and only making things worse, but he's not evil or a villain, just a horrible person to put in charge.

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    • itll be interesting to see what role he plays in the upcoming episodes. He was markedly useless in book 2 haha. Wonder what he'll do in books 3 and 4 

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    • Warmachine375 wrote:
      Who cares, Raiko is an asshole. Once an asshole, always an asshole

      Ok! My thoughts exactly after watching episode 2. XD

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    • For a person who is the Avatar, much less a hothead, Korra seems to be a pushover to lowlifes like Raiko. I would've burned him alive, send an earthen spike to his crotch, suck the air he breathes or bloodbend his limbs off if I was Korra. He has no respect for the Avatar. I mean, he was helpless during the UnaVaatu crisis, and he didn't acknowledge Korra's work. If it weren't for Korra, the Equalists would've prevailed in the revolution (well, wouldn't have cared, he's a non-bender afterall) and the world would've plunged into 10000 years of darkness. I have a hunch that he is as self-serving as that biatch Earth Queen.

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    • FATE HAS INTERVENED wrote: I sympathized with Raiko in Book 2. Korra can't just use the United Fores as her own and thrust the United Republic into war with the Northern Water Tribe. Raiko just wanted to keep his people out of war. 

      I totally agree with this.

      The only problem I had with Raiko during Book 2 is during Night of a Thousand Stars. When Korra tells him Unalaq plans to release the evil spirit of darkness, he basicly responds with “If what you say is true, then the United Forces should stay here to protect Republic City”.

      So now his nation is involved (whether they like it or not) and he decides to focus on defending his city, when he should be focussing on preventing Vaatu from being released in the first place, thereby neutralizing the threat and the need to even defend his city. As such, he should show a little more gratitude to Korra for stopping Vaatu, where he (miserably) failed.

      Still, Korra is far from blameless. She just decided to leave the Spirit Portals open without consulting anyone or thinking of how this would impact the rest of the world. As a result, Raiko must deal with a lot of problems that are 1) way out of his area of expertise and 2) were created without any input from him or his administration. So it is kind of natural (though not entirely fair) that he takes out his anger and frustration on Korra.

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    • Im a bit unsure how banishing Korra is supposed to help. What did Korra do to the city while within republic city? Even with her banished, the spirit portals are still open and will continue to infest the city with spirits. 

      Still, the Unalaq issue was basically cancer. The longer you leave it, the harder it is to treat it, and the more destructive it becomes. If Raiko sent the troops immedietly it wouldnt take much effort, but leaving it until Unalaq is undefeatable was a bad idea. Now Raiko blames Korra for the destruction

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    • Supernovje wrote:

      FATE HAS INTERVENED wrote: I sympathized with Raiko in Book 2. Korra can't just use the United Fores as her own and thrust the United Republic into war with the Northern Water Tribe. Raiko just wanted to keep his people out of war. 

      I totally agree with this.

      The only problem I had with Raiko during Book 2 is during Night of a Thousand Stars. When Korra tells him Unalaq plans to release the evil spirit of darkness, he basicly responds with “If what you say is true, then the United Forces should stay here to protect Republic City”.

      So now his nation is involved (whether they like it or not) and he decides to focus on defending his city, when he should be focussing on preventing Vaatu from being released in the first place, thereby neutralizing the threat and the need to even defend his city. As such, he should show a little more gratitude to Korra for stopping Vaatu, where he (miserably) failed.

      Still, Korra is far from blameless. She just decided to leave the Spirit Portals open without consulting anyone or thinking of how this would impact the rest of the world. As a result, Raiko must deal with a lot of problems that are 1) way out of his area of expertise and 2) were created without any input from him or his administration. So it is kind of natural (though not entirely fair) that he takes out his anger and frustration on Korra.

      Tenzin said it himself: It's not Korra's job to please everybody. If it's for the sake of balance, she had to do what she did.

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    • Sometimes I wonder, being the Avatar is progressively becoming a more difficult job as the generations progress haha. Kyoshi, for instance, never had to face this many problems. 

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      Sometimes I wonder, being the Avatar is progressively becoming a more difficult job as the generations progress haha. Kyoshi, for instance, never had to face this many problems. 

      Totally untrue. Reread her article to see the conflicts she faced: A tyrant warlord who managed to conquer all of the Earth Kingdom (save for her home and Ba Sing Se), and a corrupt/useless Earth King.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:

      Totally untrue. Reread her article to see the conflicts she faced: A tyrant warlord who managed to conquer all of the Earth Kingdom (save for her home and Ba Sing Se), and a corrupt/useless Earth King.

      I stand corrected, but even still. No avatar has ever faced anybody like Amon, a powerful waterbender capable of removing bending, or Vaatu (the spiritual manifestation of chaos and destruction). All I'm saying is that the foes of Korra are far more threatening than those of previous avatars, including Aang. I was personally more terrified of Amon than I ever was of Ozai, and I started watching ATLA when I was 11

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    • It's funny that Korra wants to be the Avatar, living and breathing it...then she gets her money's worth: Amon, Vaatu, and a band of unique benders.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:
      It's funny that Korra wants to be the Avatar, living and breathing it...then she gets her money's worth: Amon, Vaatu, and a band of unique benders.

      When she was trying to get Air benders to join the nomads though, she kept mentioning "she didnt choose to be the Avatar" and she claimed she didnt like her responsibility. Isnt she pretty much saying she doesnt want to be the Avatar?

      She pretty much forced herself into the position as the world needs balance. She was de-Avatared in both books. Lost the ability to bend multiple elements in book 1, then was completely disconnected from Raava, rendering her purely an Waterbender

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      IAmNothing712 wrote:
      It's funny that Korra wants to be the Avatar, living and breathing it...then she gets her money's worth: Amon, Vaatu, and a band of unique benders.
      When she was trying to get Air benders to join the nomads though, she kept mentioning "she didnt choose to be the Avatar" and she claimed she didnt like her responsibility. Isnt she pretty much saying she doesnt want to be the Avatar?

      She pretty much forced herself into the position as the world needs balance. She was de-Avatared in both books. Lost the ability to bend multiple elements in book 1, then was completely disconnected from Raava, rendering her purely an Waterbender

      1. Her being just a waterbender is not the case, never the case actually. She retained her ability to bend all four, just that she can't levitate a rock on one hand and spew fire on the other. If you look closely at Light in the Dark, Korra was able to enter the Tree of Time's hollow with her own airbending.

      2. In an early episode of Book 2, Korra explicitly stated that all she wanted was to be the Avatar. In Book 3, she was just questioning her effectiveness as the Avatar. Not once she said she doesn't want to be one anymore.

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    • You should see the first episodes of S3, she no longer wants to be the Avatar as she cannot fix the spirit infestation problem in republic city

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    • I've watched them, and I interpret them as her questioning her effectiveness, not really wanting to give up her role as Avatar altogether.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:

      Supernovje wrote:

      FATE HAS INTERVENED wrote: I sympathized with Raiko in Book 2. Korra can't just use the United Fores as her own and thrust the United Republic into war with the Northern Water Tribe. Raiko just wanted to keep his people out of war. 

      I totally agree with this.

      The only problem I had with Raiko during Book 2 is during Night of a Thousand Stars. When Korra tells him Unalaq plans to release the evil spirit of darkness, he basicly responds with “If what you say is true, then the United Forces should stay here to protect Republic City”.

      So now his nation is involved (whether they like it or not) and he decides to focus on defending his city, when he should be focussing on preventing Vaatu from being released in the first place, thereby neutralizing the threat and the need to even defend his city. As such, he should show a little more gratitude to Korra for stopping Vaatu, where he (miserably) failed.

      Still, Korra is far from blameless. She just decided to leave the Spirit Portals open without consulting anyone or thinking of how this would impact the rest of the world. As a result, Raiko must deal with a lot of problems that are 1) way out of his area of expertise and 2) were created without any input from him or his administration. So it is kind of natural (though not entirely fair) that he takes out his anger and frustration on Korra.

      Tenzin said it himself: It's not Korra's job to please everybody. If it's for the sake of balance, she had to do what she did.

      I'm completely on board with Korra's decision, but Tenzin's logic is pretty terrible. It's basically "you're not accountable to anyone because spirits." And we see him try to put that into action when he basically demands that people drop everything to become Air Nomads.

      On the other hand, Raiko blatantly denied any chance to cooperate with Korra, so he forfeited his right to complain that he wasn't consulted.

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    • There has been a lot of debate as to whether it was Korra or Tenzin airbending during that scene anyways. i'd imagine that she'd merely be a waterbender without Raava

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote: I'm completely on board with Korra's decision, but Tenzin's logic is pretty terrible. It's basically "you're not accountable to anyone because spirits." And we see him try to put that into action when he basically demands that people drop everything to become Air Nomads.

      On the other hand, Raiko blatantly denied any chance to cooperate with Korra, so he forfeited his right to complain that he wasn't consulted.

      Raiko’s lack of cooperation in stopping Vaatu does indeed kind off forfeit his right to complain about the damage done to Republic City, as he could have prevented it by just sending some aid.

      He does however, have the right to complain about Korra’s decision to leave the spirit portals open. That decision had nothing to do with Vaatu’s defeat. Korra just decides to let the portals open because, and I quote, “What if Unalaq was right when he said the Avatar shouldn’t be the bridge between two world?”

      Personally, I’m not onboard with taking the words of a lying manipulative psychopath who was only interested in power for granted. For me Unalaq lost all credibility for his “spirits and humans should live together”-view, when he became the Dark Avatar and the first thing he did was to try and destroy both worlds. There really is no reason why Korra should even consider his twisted views to contain any sort of truth. Humans seem to be living quite well in a spirit-free world, nor do any of the spirits express the wish to be part of the material world (the only exception being Vaatu, but since he only wants to destroy it, his opinion can be ignored).

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      Swampbender55 wrote:
      I don't like him in the slightest. He blames Korra for all the damage that happened to the city during Harmonic Convergence but if hadn't spent the whole last season sitting on his hands something would have gotten done. Even after Korra told him about what Unalaq's real plan was he refused to give her the reinforcements she could have used to push right into the South Pole and stop it from happening. Now, after all the damage and the fact that he was proven wrong he wants to point fingers and blame her for everything.

      Raiko is a bad man, simple as that.

      This part got me quite alot, if Raiko did send his forces to stop Unalaq there would be no damage done to republic city

      Just imagine what it would be like if Korra was made president.


      And why should have it done that ? Simply because a reckless teenager told him to do so ? This is not how a politician act. You all should remember that the USA refused to take part in WWI for the most part of it (with reason, if you ask me, and I'm a French). Raiko was in the same situation : most of his citizens were probably neutrals, or even isolationnists, so Raiko -whose sole duty it to take care of Republic City and the URN which had suffered after the Equalist uprising- hadn't any reason to intervene in the Water Tribe Civil War. And it's the same thing now : his city is in disarray because of Korra's choices, and he don't know how he can end all those problems. He is rightfully angry -as would be any politician and especially the leader of a country.

      I actually like him, because he appears to be the only one who doesn't always praise Korra simply because she is the Avatar. He is thus a good counterpoint to her, because he has the potential to force her to think about what she does and how it affect the world.

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    • Raiko thank you for remembering why I hate politics.

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    • Warmachine375 wrote:
      Raiko thank you for remembering why I hate politics.

      If I could I would give 1,000,000,000,000,000 kudos to that comment!

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      IAmNothing712 wrote:

      Supernovje wrote:

      FATE HAS INTERVENED wrote: I sympathized with Raiko in Book 2. Korra can't just use the United Fores as her own and thrust the United Republic into war with the Northern Water Tribe. Raiko just wanted to keep his people out of war. 

      I totally agree with this.

      The only problem I had with Raiko during Book 2 is during Night of a Thousand Stars. When Korra tells him Unalaq plans to release the evil spirit of darkness, he basicly responds with “If what you say is true, then the United Forces should stay here to protect Republic City”.

      So now his nation is involved (whether they like it or not) and he decides to focus on defending his city, when he should be focussing on preventing Vaatu from being released in the first place, thereby neutralizing the threat and the need to even defend his city. As such, he should show a little more gratitude to Korra for stopping Vaatu, where he (miserably) failed.

      Still, Korra is far from blameless. She just decided to leave the Spirit Portals open without consulting anyone or thinking of how this would impact the rest of the world. As a result, Raiko must deal with a lot of problems that are 1) way out of his area of expertise and 2) were created without any input from him or his administration. So it is kind of natural (though not entirely fair) that he takes out his anger and frustration on Korra.

      Tenzin said it himself: It's not Korra's job to please everybody. If it's for the sake of balance, she had to do what she did.

      I'm completely on board with Korra's decision, but Tenzin's logic is pretty terrible. It's basically "you're not accountable to anyone because spirits." And we see him try to put that into action when he basically demands that people drop everything to become Air Nomads.

      On the other hand, Raiko blatantly denied any chance to cooperate with Korra, so he forfeited his right to complain that he wasn't consulted.

      Tenzin's argument is: 

      You are now an airbender, and therefore you should be an Air Nomad.

      As much as idealistic as his argument was, it's a little invalid. Not everyone's willing to accept change.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:
      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      IAmNothing712 wrote:


      Supernovje wrote:

      FATE HAS INTERVENED wrote: I sympathized with Raiko in Book 2. Korra can't just use the United Fores as her own and thrust the United Republic into war with the Northern Water Tribe. Raiko just wanted to keep his people out of war. 

      I totally agree with this.

      The only problem I had with Raiko during Book 2 is during Night of a Thousand Stars. When Korra tells him Unalaq plans to release the evil spirit of darkness, he basicly responds with “If what you say is true, then the United Forces should stay here to protect Republic City”.

      So now his nation is involved (whether they like it or not) and he decides to focus on defending his city, when he should be focussing on preventing Vaatu from being released in the first place, thereby neutralizing the threat and the need to even defend his city. As such, he should show a little more gratitude to Korra for stopping Vaatu, where he (miserably) failed.

      Still, Korra is far from blameless. She just decided to leave the Spirit Portals open without consulting anyone or thinking of how this would impact the rest of the world. As a result, Raiko must deal with a lot of problems that are 1) way out of his area of expertise and 2) were created without any input from him or his administration. So it is kind of natural (though not entirely fair) that he takes out his anger and frustration on Korra.

      Tenzin said it himself: It's not Korra's job to please everybody. If it's for the sake of balance, she had to do what she did.
      I'm completely on board with Korra's decision, but Tenzin's logic is pretty terrible. It's basically "you're not accountable to anyone because spirits." And we see him try to put that into action when he basically demands that people drop everything to become Air Nomads.

      On the other hand, Raiko blatantly denied any chance to cooperate with Korra, so he forfeited his right to complain that he wasn't consulted.

      Tenzin's argument is: 

      You are now an airbender, and therefore you should be an Air Nomad.

      As much as idealistic as his argument was, it's a little invalid. Not everyone's willing to accept change.


      I think tenzin is too exited that he did not stop and think things through. Airbenders don't have to be nomads.

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    • Antonismage wrote:
      Warmachine375 wrote:
      Raiko thank you for remembering why I hate politics.
      If I could I would give 1,000,000,000,000,000 to that comment!

      lol

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    • He does however, have the right to complain about Korra’s decision to leave the spirit portals open. That decision had nothing to do with Vaatu’s defeat. Korra just decides to let the portals open because, and I quote, “What if Unalaq was right when he said the Avatar shouldn’t be the bridge between two world?”

      Unalaq & Vaatu's plan involved opening the Spirit Portals. Those 2 things can't be neatly separated. Perhaps we could say that Korra could have shut the Portals & gone back to seek the input of Raiko, but...why? That's not what he did at any other point. Either the President & the Avatar are supposed to work together, or they're not. Raiko can't just pick & choose whenever it's convenient for him.

      Personally, I’m not onboard with taking the words of a lying manipulative psychopath who was only interested in power for granted. For me Unalaq lost all credibility for his “spirits and humans should live together”-view, when he became the Dark Avatar and the first thing he did was to try and destroy both worlds. There really is no reason why Korra should even consider his twisted views to contain any sort of truth.

      Well, first of all, he doesn't "try to destroy both worlds," he attacks Republic City. We don't really get a picture of his full plan, but judging from his comments, he intended to unite both worlds & install himself as ruler. We don't even really know what Vaatu does if he wins at Harmonic Convergence, but at any rate, he makes up only half of Unavaatu. Secondly, this is the Poison the Well fallacy. Unalaq's character flaws don't mean that everything he says is false. This argument is commonly parodied with phrases like "Hitler breathed air."

      Humans seem to be living quite well in a spirit-free world, nor do any of the spirits express the wish to be part of the material world (the only exception being Vaatu, but since he only wants to destroy it, his opinion can be ignored)

      I'd give you this, but I actually thought this was kind of a plot hole in "Beginnings." Despite the Spirits apparently being so important, despite the world being so important to them that they drove the humans to near extinction over it, they just kinda go back home when Wan asks, leaving the humans to worship them for I don't exactly know what.

      And it's the same thing now : his city is in disarray because of Korra's choices, and he don't know how he can end all those problems. He is rightfully angry -as would be any politician and especially the leader of a country.

      That's a pretty...creative way to look at it. Korra told him that Unalaq was bad news, she was dismissed. She told him that Unalaq couldn't be reasoned with, she was dismissed. She told him that the Southern Water Tribe was being oppressed & her family was at risk of being wiped out, she was dismissed. She told him that Unalaq was going to release the spirit of chaos & unleash 10,000 years of darkness, she, you guessed it, was dismissed.

      And it might be one thing if he didn't believe a claim as unusual as that last one, but no, he takes it seriously enough to raise a huge defense perimeter. He can't claim that he was left out of the loop, & he rebutted all of Korra's attempts to get him involved, so to turn around & say that it's her fault makes absolutely no sense.

      And what about these "negotiations" that he's supposed to be doing? We never see them, but he clearly didn't get anywhere. Did he not get the hint from that? Did he not notice that everyone who knew Unalaq said that he was a power-hungry dictator?

      You will probably say that Korra shouldn't have gone behind his back & tried to use his military. I say that's not even relevant, because he stopped that plan before it could go anywhere. I also say that he shouldn't have refused to begin with, because again, every source was telling him that Unalaq was a dangerous man & the situation was only getting worse. Surely, if nothing else, by the time a giant monster from another world is about to unleash 10,000 years of darkness, it becomes his problem. Even before that, his claim that it has nothing to do with the United Republic isn't exactly true, since plenty of its citizens come from the Water Tribes, & there were even attacks on his soil which, at the time, everyone believed was done by the Northern Water Tribe.

      And what exactly was he hoping for? He's blaming Korra, but she was clearly the one who destroyed Unavaatu when the United Forces were powerless against him. Did he really want her to do nothing? Did he really think that was going to help? And even if he did, why didn't he try to stop her? What DOES he want? What IS he thinking? It doesn't seem to be "how do my actions affect everyone," which is what Korra gets blasted for.

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    • AtomicPsychology wrote: He may have the best intentions for the people of the URN but I've always seen him as a glory hound looking for good publicity. His very first appearance on the show has him shaking hands with Korra and pausing to look at the camera and smile.

      So correct, but remember, Raiko of the show isn't the only one who is like that, ALL POLITICIANS in real life are.

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    • Urthan wrote: And why should have it done that ? Simply because a reckless teenager told him to do so ? This is not how a politician act. You all should remember that the USA refused to take part in WWI for the most part of it (with reason, if you ask me, and I'm a French). Raiko was in the same situation : most of his citizens were probably neutrals, or even isolationnists, so Raiko -whose sole duty it to take care of Republic City and the URN which had suffered after the Equalist uprising- hadn't any reason to intervene in the Water Tribe Civil War. And it's the same thing now : his city is in disarray because of Korra's choices, and he don't know how he can end all those problems. He is rightfully angry -as would be any politician and especially the leader of a country.

      I actually like him, because he appears to be the only one who doesn't always praise Korra simply because she is the Avatar. He is thus a good counterpoint to her, because he has the potential to force her to think about what she does and how it affect the world.

      Because it's his job. The whole entire reason for the existence of the United Republic and Republic City is to prevent anything like the Hundred Year War from ever happening again, whether that be through negotiations, or, yes, responding with military action. Comparing the United Republic to the USA in World War I or any other war that involved Europe just doesn't work as a comparison. The USA wasn't created as a nation with purpose of heading off conflicts or stopping massive wars from happening......the United Republic and Republic City, at least in part, was. Aang and Zuko didn't create the whole thing just for giggles or because they could. As the leader of Republic City it's Raiko's job to get the URN involved in things like the Water Tribe Civil War that threaten to blow up something bigger. And even if we ignore that or think he's perfectly justified in not doing anything about Unalaq.....he has absolutely no excuse whatsoever when he completely blows Korra off about Vaatu getting unleashed. Of course he has a duty to Republic City and URN as its leader, but that does not give him an excuse to ignore everything else going on in the world or blow off problems that the rest of the Avatar world is facing. He can't focus on one or the other to the exclusion of all else.

      And no, the whole entire reason that Republic City is in any kind of disarray or facing any kind of problems after UnaVaatu's attempt to destroy the world is entirely and solely his own fault. He has no one to blame for any of that but himself because he sat on his lazy and arrogant behind actively refusing to do his job. He chose to blow Unalaq off as a non-threat the whole entire time and refused to do anything about the issue, any issues that Republic City is facing because of UnaVaatu's attack he alone is to blame for. The only person he has any right to be angry at is himself.

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    • I have not looked at the conversation, though can I just say. It depends on what you mean by bad. He is doing what he thinks is best for his people and not directly hurting people. I cannot judge the man's character, but I don't think he is nefarious...

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    • I say we should just throw Raiko into The Fog of Lost Souls. It sounds like a fun idea to me.

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    • Grandeeny wrote:
      I say we should just throw Raiko into The Fog of Lost Souls. It sounds like a fun idea to me.

      He would become best friends with admiral Zhao, discussing their similar hatred for the Avatar

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    • I doubt Ryko hates the Avatar. He just does not like the situation the Avatar put him in. If you were the first president of the US and someone caused vines to eat Boston. Would you be happy?

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    • Kuzonkid7 wrote:
      I doubt Ryko hates the Avatar. He just does not like the situation the Avatar put him in. If you were the first president of the US and someone caused vines to eat Boston. Would you be happy?

      probably not haha. love the analogy ^_^

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    • Kuzonkid7 wrote:
      I doubt Ryko hates the Avatar. He just does not like the situation the Avatar put him in. If you were the first president of the US and someone caused vines to eat Boston. Would you be happy?


      If it was a choice between the vines or having the whole entire city and then the rest of the world destroyed by a collossal spirit monster that is basically the physical embodiement of evil? Yes :P I would be overjoyed to have vines everywhere, haha.

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    • Lol but the monster is gone, vines are there to stay 

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    • Well Raiko is president of UR, his first priority is to look after UR' people, so if korra or someone else is on his way, he have to fight them. Plus about sending the united forces to the civil war, as a president of UR he had to first protect his nation from the enemy, Right?, so he ordered the united forces to stay home to guard UR, which is the right decision as a president. And about his behaviour with korra, he should be more careful at that, as avatar korra was only trying to help, but if Raiko sent his army to the water tribe who would have guarded UR? sending the united force may not solved the problem, unalaq may had become the evil avatar still. Whatever happned to korra or UR, korra is also responsible for that, right?, as she was not completely ready for the sprit fight. So all i am saying that Raiko just want what good for his people, as a presidentwhich is the right choice, and as a avatar korra just want to help mankind. So, they both are trying ton do what they are supposed to, noone is bad or good, everyone has their faults, right???

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      Grandeeny wrote:
      I say we should just throw Raiko into The Fog of Lost Souls. It sounds like a fun idea to me.
      He would become best friends with admiral Zhao, discussing their similar hatred for the Avatar

      I wonder how that conversation would go, and if Raiko will end up in the same state of mind as Zhao.

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    • I doubt that they would be similar. One is a president, one is a admiral, one likes bruning stuff, the other hates vines... Not a lot in common  :)

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    • RAW BENDER wrote: Well Raiko is president of UR, his first priority is to look after UR' people, so if korra or someone else is on his way, he have to fight them. Plus about sending the united forces to the civil war, as a president of UR he had to first protect his nation from the enemy, Right?, so he ordered the united forces to stay home to guard UR, which is the right decision as a president. And about his behaviour with korra, he should be more careful at that, as avatar korra was only trying to help, but if Raiko sent his army to the water tribe who would have guarded UR? sending the united force may not solved the problem, unalaq may had become the evil avatar still. Whatever happned to korra or UR, korra is also responsible for that, right?, as she was not completely ready for the sprit fight. So all i am saying that Raiko just want what good for his people, as a presidentwhich is the right choice, and as a avatar korra just want to help mankind. So, they both are trying ton do what they are supposed to, noone is bad or good, everyone has their faults, right???

      You split the army up to protect different strategic interests. 2 isn't even a lot of targets. Observe how many bases we've got:

      http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/globalmilitarism58_14.jpg

      I wonder how that conversation would go, and if Raiko will end up in the same state of mind as Zhao.

      "You know, I once killed the moon."

      "You could definitely take the Avatar! She can't even kill a few lousy vines!"

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    • We don't really know the number of strategic 'bases' and/or cities located in the Avatar world or even in the republic. That doesn't even take into account the differences between how the army, navy, or other armed forces are arranged compared to our own. It would be slightly odd if the president only kept ships and troops just at RC and completely ignored the rest of the country.

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    • ^Yes that's whta I was telling, Raiko was overprotective of UR, which doesn't implies he is bad, we don't know was united forces enough for both the civil war and guarding UR. Afterall he is president of UR not the whole world, and he was not completely aware of the danger that unalaq caused, even korra wasn't at the first.

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    • It's a bit more than "slightly odd" that Raiko thinks he can't spare a few troops to deal with the bloody Spirit of Chaos. I'd hoped that showing people just how thin you could spread an army & not affect its overall capability would finally squash any claim that Raiko could say that & not deserve to be fired on the spot.

      Also, he can't be "isolationist" & have active military patrols all over the place, it doesn't work that way.

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    • How do you know he has all these patrols everywhere or even where they are currently at? It seemed like he put that entire fleet just at RC for the attack, which he seemed to know would only come from the sea. I guess there would never an attack from the land? That and they needed to rally the cops to serve as a second line.

      That's not even counting the capacity of the Water Tribe and the location of its fleet or fleets.

      It would be better to look at late 1890s to 1920s America as possible alternative. Not counting the military build up period of the first World War. It would even help with the technology gap.

      Edit: We don't even know the foreign relationships and/or foreign policies for these countries, much less RC. I'm just not sure there's enough information for something like that.

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    • I didn't say they had troops everywhere, you insinuated that they did:

      Kubernes wrote: We don't really know the number of strategic 'bases' and/or cities located in the Avatar world or even in the republic. That doesn't even take into account the differences between how the army, navy, or other armed forces are arranged compared to our own. It would be slightly odd if the president only kept ships and troops just at RC and completely ignored the rest of the country.

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    • Raiko ain't bad, he is a man of procedure. Korra has always been a rebel and one who is outside the box. She may look upon any who opts not to do things her way as being in league with an enemy.

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    • And Korra is the focal point of the show, so the viewer will no doubt glean those feelings and judge.

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    • Korra certainly tried to get the navy to leave port and essentially declare war on another nation without approval, so I cannot hold it completely against the President.

      Judging from his actions, and those of the [main] characters around him, Raiko simply took the pragmatic route in book 2. There wasn't a pressing need to him to adopt a policy of intervention to the Water Tribes in a city where both Water Tribes live. Or to forgo a defense of RC during the finale some chance at defeating a navy. I'm not even counting the difficulty of an army to move in winter-like conditions, if they can even defeat said navy.

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    • And it would be absolutely cliche for him to be so.

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    • It goes back to that whole politican angle of his character.

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    • Don't care, I wanna see Raiko dead.

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    • Well that is harsh...

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    • Should be something like "I hope he [Raiko] is forced to apologize to the Avatar".

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    • "I'm so sorry i doubted you, Korra." No matter what it will be cliche.

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    • We'll compromise. Having to apologize gives him a brain aneurysm.

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    • I wonder whether we'll be seeing more of Raiko later

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    • Towards the end of book 3 and most likely to quickly resolve things in book 4.

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    • I wanna see him get impeached or something.

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    • I can imagine something similar to what happened with the Earth Queen's last scene in episode 4: she loses and we all have a laugh at some previously mentioned joke. Maybe he rebuilds his office only to see it destroyed again?

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    • Mmmmm... has Raiko done anything helpful for republic city yet?

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    • He seemed to bring stability and a return to normalcy after the Equalist incident. However, we really know what policies and decisions he's put into place for the city and nation at large. 

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    • Maybe he'll become a villian in Book 4, I don't like him either, I think he used to be an Equalist.

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    • I think he's awful. He's caused only problems for our team so far.

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    • If anything he is important to the nation. I doubt Zaheer and the gang would try to eliminate a weak leader.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      If anything he is important to the nation. I doubt Zaheer and the gang would try to eliminate a weak leader.

      Well, even eliminating weak leaders can lead to things like power vacuums and large amounts of unrest...I think they had planned on kidnapping him though hadn't they? That's what I seem to remember at least, not assassination >_>

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    • They said, "Take out." Could be kidnapping, but sounds like murder.

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    • Maybe they were going to take him to dinner?

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Maybe they were going to take him to dinner?
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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Maybe they were going to take him to dinner?

      You made me laugh over the internet, good job!

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    • Yeah, I zaheer's gang maybe good (they may be want to take korra for some good reason), so taking out on a group dinner is a very good option... :P . may be they will ask korra to join them... ha ha.

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    • All things considered, Raiko's reactions to Korra really aren't that surprising.  I mean, first of all, Korra basically tried to usurp his authority over the United Republic navy in order to wage war on another nation for what ultimately amounted to personal reasons.  She then opted to leave the spirit portals open, changing the world forever, and some of those changes are rather drastic.  She was also on friendly terms with Varrick, the man who decided to actually kidnap Raiko, and while she certainly put a stop to that, it doesn't change the fact that she was basically collaborating with him up until that point, making her judgement rather questionable.  And now, she is basically unable to fix the problems that she basically created due to her decision at the end of season 2, which while they may ultimately have been the right decision, try and see it from Raiko's point of view; this whole crisis is reflecting on him and his ability, not to mention its making more work, probably displacing a lot of people from their homes, ruining jobs and livelihoods, not to mention that the economy is probably going to completely tank.

      Overall, while he may not be all that likeable given that he is basically against Korra (a character that we like and sympathize with due to her being the main protagonist), his animosity and general disdain are completely understandable, and if I were in his position I would also probably have some major issues with her.

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    • If you were in his position, it would have been your fault for not doing anything about Vaatu, & I would say that you deserve no empathy & need to stop blaming Korra to deflect from your own faults & start acting like an adult, let alone a President. The crisis is reflecting badly on Raiko's ability because it is an accurate reflection.

      I would definitely be in the 8% that approve of Korra, & it has nothing to do with her being the protagonist. She defeated Unavaatu when nobody else could. That's common knowledge.

      If I lived in the Avatar world, even if I was now homeless, if it were left up to Raiko, I would probably be dead. So if he wants to sit there & blame the only person who did anything to save me to take pressure off of himself, screw him.

      "Oh, he defended the city," yeah, okay, wait until the giant monster is HERE to do anything about it, & just HOPE you can actually fight it, instead of preventing its escape in the 1st place. Bloody brilliant. General Iroh said it himself, he can't fight an enemy that he doesn't even know what it is, let alone what it's capable of.

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    • How could they have prevented it? That's only if the fleet, headed by Iroh, actually defeats the WT fleet. The same fleet that is placed to blockade any ship from getting through and are potentially expecting opposition. It's also the same Iroh who doesn't like to procure military intelligence and really likes to just go all in.

      What if they don't win the fight? What if Iroh loses horribly [again]? That potentially screws the Avatar from even getting to the portal in the south (I still don't know why she didn't just go to the north and close that portal). There are quite a number of problematic situations with the fleet going to attack the blockade.

      In that case and with the resulting problems with HC, the situation comes down to Raiko making the prudent choice.

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    • I don't care how many nitpicks you make, it's not as stupid as trying to fight Godzilla in the New York harbor. Also, he's lucky it was JUST Unavaatu, & the situation didn't deteriorate to the point where it was a post apocalyptic world full of Dark Spirits.

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    • If only Korra didn't open that first portal to begin with? Or have trusted Unalaq? Maybe we wouldn't have even had the Kaiju attack? Hindsight is 20/20.

      Yes, you could nitpick every possible problem with the idea, but the simple problem with your stance is you are banking on a extremely problematic situation: that the fleet defeats the WT fleet with little to no casualities, even gets there in time, can manage to get troops to the south (on foot it looks like), and stall or defeat Unalaq. There's a few too many problems there.

      That doesn't even count political problems. Who wants to go intervene in the Civil War? It looked like just the SWT citizens. Who didn't want to intervene? The NWT citizens. Considering that the water tribe population in RC is probably 1/3 (at the most), that's a wash. The other 2/3 didn't seem interested in intervention, so there's doesn't seem to be the political will there.

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    • What YOU are talking about is hindsight, because Korra was simply ignorant of how the portals worked. What I am talking about is a blindingly simple choice that Raiko was presented with upon learning about Vaatu. Do nothing=world ends. Do something=it might not.

      What you're doing is basically like saying that cancer treatment has a lot of risks--several of which are related to the treatments failing, with the actual danger coming from the cancer doing what it was always going to do--so it's better to hope that the cancer will just go away. We in the business have a term for people who would argue this, it is called "natural selection."

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    • That doesn't really answer the huge problems behind the fleet attacking, which you still haven't been able to answer. Looking at the situation that somehow he could have definitely prevented isn't exactly a good one. Again, you could say that Korra could have prevented the problems as well. So, we have to look at the problem without hindsight. That and not just call him a "meanie head" or something.

      Raiko is probably looking at the situation as most normal people would look at a situation about vague end of the world type stuff. That coupled with the problems the Avatar presented the previous time she'd visited, namily that she is a SWT member AND tried to get the fleet to sail out and attempt to completely destroy the WT fleet. So we can see that he might not be exactly pro-Avatar. He's also a political animal, as discussed before.

      Then there's the core idea that he wants to protect the city. If he does send the fleet and it loses or is forced back, the nation would be pretty much defenseless. Not to mention that he would be blamed for both accounts.

      Does he take the HUGE gamble to stop whatever the Avatar was saying? Or does he take the safer bet and leave the fleet at home where it might stand a chance? He makes the best bet. That's pretty much the bottom line.

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    • This is simple willful ignorance. Not needing to send the whole fleet, Raiko knowing what he needed to do to stop Vaatu while Korra didn't, the fleet being unable to do anything against immortal spirits, I've addressed this all ad nauseum, while saying that I "called Raiko a meanie head" is simply a bald-faced lie. There's no point in "answering your questions," because the end of the world is objectively a far bigger loss than troops or political face. Furthermore, I am not "relying on hindsight," just because you can't figure out these things ahead of time doesn't mean I'm as impaired as you are. Which is why I'm not going to continue wasting my time going in circles with you. At this point, I've spelled it out so simply that anyone who can't understand that the apocalypse is pretty much the worst thing that can ever happen to you is simply a lost cause.

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    • No, the entire idea that he could have prevent the kaiju attack that no one saw coming by sending a fleet that may or may not do anything is hindsight. I'm sure why you never seemed to understand that part and why the argument that Raiko is evil because he wants to protect his citizens (his job) if the world plunges into "chaos" (his actual view of the situation). There's a rather large level of disconnect from you there, both in morals and practicality. 

      The whole "chaos" usage illustrates that he didn't believe the Avatar. What elements of what Korra said would convience him? End of the world? That's about it. The adding of Tenzin's daughter adds an element of truthfulness.

      That also leads to the idea that you or I injecting what we know as the viewer on to other characters. We know about the HC and spirits but Raiko (and the vast majority of people) didn't know anything about the subject. It's fallacious reasoning to conclude it the other way. We have to look at the character's view point.

      Going back to the "chaos" problem. What elements would make him conclude that the Avatar was either incorrect or maybe even trying to use him to intervene on the civil war? Let's list some of what are possibilities from Raiko's view point at the time of that conversation: that the choice is on the spot, no evidence, a lack of knowledge of spirits, the spirit world, HC, and the greater spirits, the problem that Raiko's view of Korra is not a good one because of that entire episode of trying to get the navy to attack another nation, the kidnapping situation just scenes before, as well as the connection between Korra and Varrik. 

      That's just a few. Any sensible person with that information and at that point in time would make the same choice as Raiko.

      But it begs the question: why didn't Team Avatar use radios to ask the other nations for more assistance?

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    • While not as nefarious, Raiko is like Tarrlock was before repenting. Raiko cares about Republic City in the sense of being its savior. He hates Korra and constantly tries to put blame on her for his mistakes because he wants to be the big shot everyone looks to for hope.

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    • We are all looking at Raiko through the lense of whether or not he's helping Korra. But we're forgetting that his job isn't to serve the Avatar...it's to serve the people of the United Republic. He was asked by Korra to intervene in the conflict between the Water Tribes. Furthermore, he was asked to openly support one against the other. A reminder...the United Republic had nothing to do with this conflict. Additionally, Republic City contains citizens that have ties to both the Northern and Southern tribes. If Raiko did as the Avatar asked, he would not only be asking his constituents to fight someone else's war, but he would be actively fomenting turmoil within the Republic itself. Later on, when Korra came to him with news that Unalaq's plans would endanger the entire world, he was again asked to commit his troops to fight in the Southern Water Tribe, leaving his own country unprotected. In both cases, he refused the Avatar's request, and I believe he was justified both times. After the conflict ended, he became a bit of a douchebag by blaming Korra for the spirit vine infestation, but even she admitted that it was her own fault. Inviting the media to witness Korra try and fail to get rid of the vines was a dick move to be sure, but he's a politician, and that's kind of what politicians do. Finally, after people started airbending uncontrollably and creating all kinds of new problems, Raiko reached his wit's end and kicked Korra out of the city. For all this, we hate him. But put yourself in Raiko's shoes. What would you do?

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    • I agree with you that he does care about Republic City. The problem is that he is too self-righteous. When initially refusing to help the Southern Water Tribe, he was right, but when ignoring that Unalaq desired to conquer the entire world, he was just being stubborn. Yes, he needed to protect the city, but simply wait for Unalaq to make the first strike after knowing that he intended to attack the city, that was poor judgment. I am not saying Raiko is evil or even heartless. He truly does care about the city, but he is unwilling to even consider other people's point of views and refusing to admit in his own mistakes, as seen when he attempted to cast all blame on Korra, even trying to make sure the media catches any failures on her part.

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    • Maybe if Korra actually brought a spirit? Or some sort of evidence with her?

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    • I'm not sure if he is evil but he's annoying as hell that's for sure and he's not really that bright.

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    • Klainatta wrote:
      I'm not sure if he is evil but he's annoying as hell that's for sure and he's not really that bright.

      Zaheer describes him as Moronic, I think they should have just kept the city council from S1 and replaced Tarlokk with an Southerner

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    • As of now I would describe him as incompetent and desperately trying to cling to his position as president, but didn't cross the line to "bad" yet.

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    • I think he just has no idea how to solve these problems. He seems like a modern day president. At least he isn't corrupt yet. He does what he feels what is in his cities best interest, which I never really agree with. He needs to step up and ask for the avatar's help.

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    • What if Unalaq is right about humans and spirits should live together

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    • Raiko is the first president of republic city

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    • Raiko Hates Unalaq when he was the Dark avatar

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    • Avatar Steve wrote:
      We are all looking at Raiko through the lense of whether or not he's helping Korra. But we're forgetting that his job isn't to serve the Avatar...it's to serve the people of the United Republic. He was asked by Korra to intervene in the conflict between the Water Tribes. Furthermore, he was asked to openly support one against the other. A reminder...the United Republic had nothing to do with this conflict. Additionally, Republic City contains citizens that have ties to both the Northern and Southern tribes. If Raiko did as the Avatar asked, he would not only be asking his constituents to fight someone else's war, but he would be actively fomenting turmoil within the Republic itself. Later on, when Korra came to him with news that Unalaq's plans would endanger the entire world, he was again asked to commit his troops to fight in the Southern Water Tribe, leaving his own country unprotected. In both cases, he refused the Avatar's request, and I believe he was justified both times. After the conflict ended, he became a bit of a douchebag by blaming Korra for the spirit vine infestation, but even she admitted that it was her own fault. Inviting the media to witness Korra try and fail to get rid of the vines was a dick move to be sure, but he's a politician, and that's kind of what politicians do. Finally, after people started airbending uncontrollably and creating all kinds of new problems, Raiko reached his wit's end and kicked Korra out of the city. For all this, we hate him. But put yourself in Raiko's shoes. What would you do?

      Raiko not acting when Korra first came to him is understandable but to continue to not give aid when it was clear Korra was right is just unforgivable.  Especially when Korra's crew saved him from Varrack.  If he was proactive about things he would not need to even worry about defenses as he could have help solve the problem before it became the mess that it became.  

      Then he kicks Korra out of the city.  If Zaheer kills him I will not shed any tears.

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    • We mustn't take a bias approach on Korra's side. True he does owe Korra a debt and he should hold a special respect for her being the freaking AVATAR and all!! Banishing her from Republic City was low and didn't solve any problems. However, he is doing his best to do what he thinks is right. He really cares about the welfare of the city so that's a plus, and if he gets assassinated there is a fifty-fifty chance there would be a better or worse candidate to secede him. He is not good or bad. He should have intervened earlier before the situations started to get out of hand. He doesn't trust the avatar or help her. That is his biggest mistake.

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    • Blissyboo wrote: We mustn't take a bias approach on Korra's side. True he does owe Korra a debt and he should hold a special respect for her being the freaking AVATAR and all!! Banishing her from Republic City was low and didn't solve any problems. However, he is doing his best to do what he thinks is right. He really cares about the welfare of the city so that's a plus, and if he gets assassinated there is a fifty-fifty chance there would be a better or worse candidate to secede him. He is not good or bad. He should have intervened earlier before the situations started to get out of hand. He doesn't trust the avatar or help her. That is his biggest mistake.

      Zaheer is a airbender
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    • Zaheer is a airbender before Avatar Aang take his bending away Zaheer get his Airbending back after Harmonic Convergence

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    • How Zaheer know how to use airbending and control it Zaheer must be airbender before Harmonic convergence and he get his airbending back after harmonic convergence

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    • Azula's teachers, Li and Lo, were non-benders and they managed to create one of the most dangerous firebender of all time.

      Zaheer told Korra that they were planning to train her themselves (probably P'Li as her firebending tutor, Ming-Hua as waterbending tutor, Ghazan as earthbending tutor).

      Airbending was missing. Remember that bending techniques are actually martial arts, waterbending is tai chi, Toph's (and her daughters') earthbending is Southern Praying Mantis, firebending is Northern Shaolin kung fu and airbending is Ba Gua.

      So I think Zaheer learned Ba Gua and was intented to train Korra himself, when he got airbending thanks to HC, he had no problem with using it because he was already familiar with the art. Li and Lo were probably fighters too when they were young.

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    • Klainatta wrote:
      Azula's teachers, Li and Lo, were non-benders and they managed to create one of the most dangerous firebender of all time.

      Zaheer told Korra that they were planning to train her themselves (probably P'Li as her firebending tutor, Ming-Hua as waterbending tutor, Ghazan as earthbending tutor).

      Airbending was missing. Remember that bending techniques are actually martial arts, waterbending is tai chi, Toph's (and her daughters') earthbending is Southern Praying Mantis, firebending is Northern Shaolin kung fu and airbending is Ba Gua.

      So I think Zaheer learned Ba Gua and was intented to train Korra himself, when he got airbending thanks to HC, he had no problem with using it because he was already familiar with the art. Li and Lo were probably fighters too when they were young.

      my thoughts exactly

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    • Ditto. Makes complete sense.

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    • Gibits wrote:

      Raiko not acting when Korra first came to him is understandable but to continue to not give aid when it was clear Korra was right is just unforgivable.  Especially when Korra's crew saved him from Varrack.  If he was proactive about things he would not need to even worry about defenses as he could have help solve the problem before it became the mess that it became.  

      Then he kicks Korra out of the city.  If Zaheer kills him I will not shed any tears.


      Soldiers and politicians, folks. There are good ones and bad ones of both variety. They are products of the same system, but we see them in two very different ways. The soldier fights the enemy and keeps us safe. He forges ahead with absolute conviction in his goals. Whether this conviction is because of orders from his superiors or because of his own belief in the cause, he always fights the good fight. And when he dies, we mourn his death as that of a hero, even though his job was to kill as many people as possible (the "bad guys"). A politician, on the other hand, is always walking a tightrope between two or more sides. He has to do what he thinks is right for those who elected him, even though there is no way he will please everyone. He will make compromises and unpopular decisions, all in the name of the people. And when HE dies, half of the population says good riddance, even if he made his city a better place.

      It's easy to root for soldiers like Korra. We KNOW she's one of the good guys, because her actions speak for themselves. Unless, of course, you happen to be an Equalist. Or a so-called Dark Spirit. Or pretty much anyone standing in her way. Then, all of a sudden, she's not so heroic. But we don't care about what they think, because they're the bad guys. Politicians like Raiko realize that the world isn't divided into strictly good vs evil. They recognize the shades of gray in between, and they try to find a common solution that will be acceptable to everyone. They may not get to bask in the limelight with the heroes, but they actually get to make the decisions that solve our problems.

      Unfortunately, this simple fact doesn't translate very well on a cartoon whose appeal is based on magically-enhanced martial arts displays. Come to think of it, it doesn't really translate very well here in the real world, either.

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    • President Raiko doesn't make considerations about anything. He is a hollow shell, and he does these things out of nerve, angst, and fear. Republic City is the capital of the United Republic of Nations. Its President needs to have a strong stomach and doesn't need to be so headstrong like Raiko.

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    • I honestly understand how Raiko didn't want to get into worldly affairs after the equalist issue but still I think he was an awful choice for a president but I think that we need to see his house of representatives to make sure they are not corrupted because with his decisions they would have to disagree.

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    • Yeah, he was so sudden to get the Avatar out of his city like she would ruin his plans.

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    • I think that the house of representatives would've told him he had no right to banish a citizen and I think Raiko might be the major antagonist of book four which I hope will be named courage.

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    • I'd laugh if Raiko was impeached for some reason in Book 4.

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    • Honestly out of all the new characters that we've seen in Korra he's literally the only one I hate. He seems so "good" to the public but behind closed doors he seems to have some kind of ulterior motive but still keeping politacally neutral and nicey nicey. I just don't buy it. He's been no help to nobody! He could have stopped the Water Tribe civil war before it even started to gain momentum. Although I understand why he didn't want to get involved anyone can see that for the balance of the world it would have been the right thing to do. 

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    • well like I said I think Raiko is evil and will be an antagonist in book four.

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    • Waterbend.3.19 wrote: President Raiko doesn't make considerations about anything. He is a hollow shell, and he does these things out of nerve, angst, and fear. Republic City is the capital of the United Republic of Nations. Its President needs to have a strong stomach and doesn't need to be so headstrong like Raiko.

      Yes, thank you. Banishing Korra wasn't a calculated decision to best improve the city, it was an idiotic hissy fit born out of his bruised ego, & for the thousandth time, no, this has nothing to with Korra. Everyone who says that, think for a second, what if I retorted with, "Oh, well, you just side with Raiko because you don't like Korra"? I have no possible way of knowing that, & even if you don't like her, that doesn't necessarily mean that's the cause of you taking Raiko's side.

      You know what? Raiko SHOULDN'T have believed Korra. She had no evidence that this "Vaatu" thing even existed, it was entirely possible that it was just a ploy to get his help.

      But that doesn't absolve him because:

      A. He clearly DID believe her. You don't mobilize your troops if you don't have good reason to anticipate an attack.

      B. Believing her when she has no evidence is also stupid.

      C. If we IGNORE this & ASSUME that he was right to believe her, THEN everything that I said earlier goes into effect.

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    • For Raiko's own safety from not only Zaheer but also Korra, I suggest he think for a moment about what he does. When he gets hurt Korra won't be crying for him.

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    • well Raiko needs to be more of a ruler that the people can count on which he is not and should be impeached I wish to see his vice president, his congress, and his supreme court justice. they all probably want him gone.

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    • I have decided that I'm not done ranting yet:

      First, do people realize that Korra is the same chick that the fanbase has been ripping apart for 3 whole Books? And now we're going to say that "everyone loves her" & sides with her on all things? Come on, that is obviously not true.

      Second, I can't help but notice that the general response to Amon was, "He's lying, he's just a power-hungry dictator," but now we're saying that Raiko & ZAHEER are just misunderstood? Okay, granted, the Zaheer thing is mostly on Tumblr, but still, that's really backwards. Amon was actually confronting a very real issue, Tarrlok could literally just decide to make laws against nonbenders whenever he felt like it.

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    • I doubt they've caught up to those forms of government. But Raiko's only afraid which is why he does these irrational things.

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    • Amon could've gone about his issue more peacefully like Martin Luther king did instead of acting like the leader of the KU KLUX KLAN. think about it Martin Luther King improved many issues without causing a war.

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    • Yeah. He could have done non-violent protest. Taken people's bending every here and there.

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    • he didn't have to take away bending unless it was necessary if I were a non-bender which hopefully I wouldn't be I would start some peaceful protests Amon could've done the same or just that protester and some followers.

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    • Yeah. In all of Republic City, there had to be some nonbenders who opposed him.

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    • there probably were I bet Asami was one of them. after all she is old enough to vote.

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    • not to mention that republic city wasn't the only city in the united republic where they had the election.

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    • Avatar thoyrn wrote: Amon could've gone about his issue more peacefully like Martin Luther king did instead of acting like the leader of the KU KLUX KLAN. think about it Martin Luther King improved many issues without causing a war.

      Simply saying that the concerns of the Equalists were more reasonable than Zaheer's & even Raiko's. Because while the vines & other issues may be "real," he takes a hard left to Stupidtown with how he handles them, to the point where he's almost like a schizophrenic trying to prevent an earthquake through public urination.

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    • Avatar Steve wrote:
      We are all looking at Raiko through the lense of whether or not he's helping Korra. But we're forgetting that his job isn't to serve the Avatar...it's to serve the people of the United Republic. He was asked by Korra to intervene in the conflict between the Water Tribes. Furthermore, he was asked to openly support one against the other. A reminder...the United Republic had nothing to do with this conflict. Additionally, Republic City contains citizens that have ties to both the Northern and Southern tribes. If Raiko did as the Avatar asked, he would not only be asking his constituents to fight someone else's war, but he would be actively fomenting turmoil within the Republic itself. Later on, when Korra came to him with news that Unalaq's plans would endanger the entire world, he was again asked to commit his troops to fight in the Southern Water Tribe, leaving his own country unprotected. In both cases, he refused the Avatar's request, and I believe he was justified both times. After the conflict ended, he became a bit of a douchebag by blaming Korra for the spirit vine infestation, but even she admitted that it was her own fault. Inviting the media to witness Korra try and fail to get rid of the vines was a dick move to be sure, but he's a politician, and that's kind of what politicians do. Finally, after people started airbending uncontrollably and creating all kinds of new problems, Raiko reached his wit's end and kicked Korra out of the city. For all this, we hate him. But put yourself in Raiko's shoes. What would you do?


      Yeah, except for the whole fact that one of the biggest reasons that Aang and Zuko even created Republic City in the first place to have a force to take on any one nation that was stirring up conflict and following the same path as the Fire Nation before the Hundred Year War. It is the job of the leaders of Republic City, whether that be a lone president holding all of the power (like Raiko) or the power being split amongst members of a ruling council, to intervene in situations that threaten to blow up into yet another episode of Chin the Conqueror or Sozin and the Hundred Year War. Republic City has everything to do with world conflicts. Raiko was justified neither time Korra asked for assistance for Republic City to enact its designed purpose to intervene, Raiko was actively refusing to do his job (whether one agrees about the first time Korra asked for an intervention and the aid or Republic City or not, the second time when it was beyond South vs North and was "the spirit embodying chaos and destruction is going to get free and wreak havoc if no one does anything" he most definitely was actively shirking his duties) as the current leader of Republic City.

      When it's one's job to intervene in conflicts that often includes taking a side. Because (at least in the world of Avatar at least, and especially the ones that require the Avatar to actually get involved) more often than not one of the two opposing sides is clearly in the wrong or is more in the wrong than the other. And getting involved militarily doesn't even have to require taking a side to begin with. Raiko didn't even need to endorse one or the other, all he had to do was send troops up there to prevent any fighting from breaking out and force both side to back down from armed conflict until some sort of compromise or arrangement could be reached to settle the dispute.

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    • The United Republic of Nations was created to be a place for people of all the nations to live together and the whole harmony think, not for the idea that they need to be a force to prevent a nation from taking power. 

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    • I'm not saying Raiko is evil, just a bad President.  His choices were all proven wrong in the end.  If he helped Korra's village Unalaq would not have control of the portal.

      If he reinforced Korra's assault during harmonic convergence, he could have stalled or outright stopped Unalaq all together.  Instead Ulalaq, Eska and Desna (and a bunch of spirits) were able to hold off team Avatar (just 3 people at the time).  

      What did he choose instead?  To turtle in Republic City claiming that he needed to fortify against attack when he should have been on the offense.  This choice lead him and his navy to get owned by UnaVaatu.  Had he took action UnaVaatu would not have even come into being.  The cherry on top is that blames Korra for his incompotence and kicks her out when she literally saved his city.  

      He might have the city's best interest in mind but he is just terrible at his job.  

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    • The problem with Raiko isn't that he's "proven wrong in the end"--which is the fallacy of argument from consequence--it's what he does with the information that he knows. Namely, make useless, crowd-pandering displays like arranging the fleet to "protect the city" & banishing Korra, which couldn't actually do anything to address the problems that the city has.

      Like I said, this is a key difference from Korra's attempt to stop Vaatu accidentally resulting in freeing him. One could say that she's still responsible for that, but (A) that would apply to Raiko, as well, & (B) she DID take responsibility for Unavaatu--quite effectively, I might add.

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    • I doubt Raiko will learn to take responsibility for the wrongs he done to Republic City for his own egocentric needs. This is something I want to see him overcome. I didn't want to see Korra fail, and I don't wanna see Raiko fail either. But Korra resolved her issues. It's Raiko's turn.

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    • Gibits wrote:
      I'm not saying Raiko is evil, just a bad President.  His choices were all proven wrong in the end.  If he helped Korra's village Unalaq would not have control of the portal.

      If he reinforced Korra's assault during harmonic convergence, he could have stalled or outright stopped Unalaq all together.  Instead Ulalaq, Eska and Desna (and a bunch of spirits) were able to hold off team Avatar (just 3 people at the time).  

      What did he choose instead?  To turtle in Republic City claiming that he needed to fortify against attack when he should have been on the offense.  This choice lead him and his navy to get owned by UnaVaatu.  Had he took action UnaVaatu would not have even come into being.  The cherry on top is that blames Korra for his incompotence and kicks her out when she literally saved his city.  

      He might have the city's best interest in mind but he is just terrible at his job.  

      The RC fleet has planes or other flying devices? I didn't see any and that's how the assault on the portal began. The soldiers would have had to use other, slower devices to get there. I guess they could have gone to the north portal and do some sort of pincer but no one even considers that option. Then again, who knew about UnaVaatu at the time?

      I do wonder why help is only considered the fleet. Why couldn't it just be supplies or other non-essential stuff that would help greatly? Why didn't Korra just try to get other, outside help rather than just Varrik? Like collecting volunteers? Why did Varrik's ship seem to have everything they needed?

      @Waterbend.3.19: He is a politican after all and Korra has low public approval. He could even be seen as the collective conscience of simple, short sighted citizens of the city. It could almost be a poke at the public of today: fix everything now rather than considering the actual problems and situation.

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    • In my opinion President Raiko is not good or bad. He's a freaking asshole.

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    • AvatarJinzo wrote:
      In my opinion President Raiko is not good or bad. He's a freaking asshole.

      Ditto on that.  In many ways he strikes me as being like the Earth Queen: very self-centered and only interested in his own advancement or maintaining his position.  In many ways, however, she is many times worse.  I mean, eating her own father's pet bear?  How sick can you get? (I liked that bear.)

      In the end, the question remains; was he being an a-hole to Katara just for the sake of being an a-hole, or is he yet another secret member of the Red Lotus?  I'm thinking the former, but I guess only time will tell.

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    • Kubernes wrote:

      The RC fleet has planes or other flying devices? I didn't see any and that's how the assault on the portal began. The soldiers would have had to use other, slower devices to get there. I guess they could have gone to the north portal and do some sort of pincer but no one even considers that option. Then again, who knew about UnaVaatu at the time?

      I do wonder why help is only considered the fleet. Why couldn't it just be supplies or other non-essential stuff that would help greatly? Why didn't Korra just try to get other, outside help rather than just Varrik? Like collecting volunteers? Why did Varrik's ship seem to have everything they needed?

      The RC had airships like the one Raiko was on when he watched his useless fleet get destroyed.  Korra knew about UnaVaatu (or some notion of him) and told Raiko as much.  Korra did consider going to the fire nation but was ambushed by her cousins.

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    • They were police airships, not really the warships. The fleet was washed away, not sure if it was destroyed. If they had left, what would have stopped UnaVaatuKaiju from doing more city damage?

      We do have to remember that Korra says that HC is in a few days when she speaks to Raiko. How exactly does a war fleet/invasion force actually a. defeat the blockade fleet, b. land infantry, c. get them to the south pole portal, and d. defeat/delay Unalaq in a few days? Not counting the time needed to actually get from RC to the south pole. Granted, a few could mean 4 days but it could be 2 days. Korra doesn't really seem to know. Pretty vague.

      That still begs more questions. What does Raiko know about Harmonic Convergence? What does he know about spirits? What does he know about Vaatu? All of that leads to the way he responds and the fact that he merely uses the word "chaos" to describe the situation. Why would he use that word rather than reiterate the whole end of the world thing Korra makes up? He simply doesn't believe it.

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    • And if he asked any of those questions, he'd be letting the Dark Spirits know he's afraid of them, which means they win.

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    • Spirits is just something Raiko never wanted to believe. He's narrow minded and a down-to-earth person.

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    • Does Raiko know about Vaatu and Raava Raiko is a Nonbender

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    • Waterbend.3.19 wrote:
      Spirits is just something Raiko never wanted to believe. He's narrow minded and a down-to-earth person.

      Or something the vast majority of people at the time wouldn't have believed or have known about. The only reports were most likely the ones about something damaging/destroying ships. Those would have been easily seen as some sort of sailor's tall tale. I mean if someone said the Kraken were going to rise from the sea to devour all humanity, people would laugh.

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    • True. Most people don't like change and Raiko is one of them. Isn't the third book called change (sarcasm)? He is responding the same way a normal president would. And we see him as an a-hole because he isn't doing what we want.

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    • Blissyboo wrote:
      And we see him as an a-hole because he isn't doing what we want.

      So hes an representation of real world politicians?

      Seems legit

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    • I think he's next on Zaheers kill list, Raiokos is moronic but I think he wants what's best for his people, he just doesn't understand the spirit world

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    • Most likely. However, Tonraq is nearer. Imagine the crushing effect it would have on the Avatar if her father is eliminated?

      Why would he understand the spirit world? He has no experience with it. The same with just about everyone else in the world. We're talking about an upheaval in the lives and understanding of many people, including those in power.

      @Blissyboo: Part of the problem is the projection of knowledge on others. We certainly know about the spirits and the underlying conflict in the story. Even if we know all of that, the characters of the story may only have part of that knowledge. Or a complete lack of it.

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    • Blissyboo wrote: True. Most people don't like change and Raiko is one of them. Isn't the third book called change (sarcasm)? He is responding the same way a normal president would. And we see him as an a-hole because he isn't doing what we want.

      Not all Presidents have been effective leaders, so...& are we now seriously suggesting that there's anyone who didn't believe that the Spirits existed? This isn't like our world, Spirits are readily documented. A professor at the world's most prestigious university was looking for a spirit library. The only case of someone not believing in Spirits was Sokka, & Sokka didn't even believe the Avatar existed--the isolation of the Southern Water Tribe just cut him off from too much information. And even if this was a parallel to the real world, a President would usually share, or at least act like he shared, the same beliefs as the majority of the populace, who clearly believe in Spirits, or else Amon would not have claimed to have been sent by the Spirits.

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    • We are talking about generations after ATLA. How many situations during the current lifetime of Raiko and Korra before book 2? When we start having large gaps between generations and spiritual events, for lack of a better word, the younger generation very often rebels against the older one. It fades into history or as folk lore. It's a pretty common trope in movie and television.

      How many documented cases do we have for spirits during Raiko's lifetime before book 2? I couldn't find any.

      Wasn't the professor also labeled as something of an eccentric? Didn't he also disappear in the vast desert with that library? Was he able to go back and prove his idea to his colleagues? More than likely he, and his ideas, were written off.

      Wasn't Amon and his plan completely discredited after his defeat? He was shown as a charlatan in front of supporters. Why would the common people still have hope that he was sent by the spirits after that event? Do we know if Raiko believed or sided with the Equalists?

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      We are talking about generations after ATLA. How many situations during the current lifetime of Raiko and Korra before book 2? When we start having large gaps between generations and spiritual events, for lack of a better word, the younger generation very often rebels against the older one. It fades into history or as folk lore. It's a pretty common trope in movie and television.

      How many documented cases do we have for spirits during Raiko's lifetime before book 2? I couldn't find any.

      Wasn't the professor also labeled as something of an eccentric? Didn't he also disappear in the vast desert with that library? Was he able to go back and prove his idea to his colleagues? More than likely he, and his ideas, were written off.

      Wasn't Amon and his plan completely discredited after his defeat? He was shown as a charlatan in front of supporters. Why would the common people still have hope that he was sent by the spirits after that event? Do we know if Raiko believed or sided with the Equalists?

      Raiko was elected specifically as a response to the Equalist movement, as the council was no longer considered to be able to equally look out for the interests of all citizens.

      As for Professor Zei, he was very well-respected and we have been given no indication that his theories were disregarded by his colleagues.

      Spirits within the avatar world (even during Korra's time) have repeatedly been shown to be accepted as real and factual. At best, people have been shown to not take them all that seriously (such as Tonraq when he inadvertedly destroyed a spirit oasis), but the only person to ever flatout disbelieve in their existence was Sokka, which was due to him having grown up isolated from most of the world.

      Just because there weren't any major spirit incidents between Aang's time and Korra's doesn't mean that the younger generation would suddenly disregard the massive catalogue of historical sightings and events that involved spirits. 

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    • Kubernes wrote: Most likely. However, Tonraq is nearer. Imagine the crushing effect it would have on the Avatar if her father is eliminated?

      Why would he understand the spirit world? He has no experience with it. The same with just about everyone else in the world. We're talking about an upheaval in the lives and understanding of many people, including those in power.

      I think it's more Raiokos stubbornness in dealing with spirits, he should have some knowledge about spirits being that vaatu attacked his city.
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    • The Wikia Editor wrote:
      Kubernes wrote:
      We are talking about generations after ATLA. How many situations during the current lifetime of Raiko and Korra before book 2? When we start having large gaps between generations and spiritual events, for lack of a better word, the younger generation very often rebels against the older one. It fades into history or as folk lore. It's a pretty common trope in movie and television.

      How many documented cases do we have for spirits during Raiko's lifetime before book 2? I couldn't find any.

      Wasn't the professor also labeled as something of an eccentric? Didn't he also disappear in the vast desert with that library? Was he able to go back and prove his idea to his colleagues? More than likely he, and his ideas, were written off.

      Wasn't Amon and his plan completely discredited after his defeat? He was shown as a charlatan in front of supporters. Why would the common people still have hope that he was sent by the spirits after that event? Do we know if Raiko believed or sided with the Equalists?

      Raiko was elected specifically as a response to the Equalist movement, as the council was no longer considered to be able to equally look out for the interests of all citizens.

      As for Professor Zei, he was very well-respected and we have been given no indication that his theories were disregarded by his colleagues.

      Spirits within the avatar world (even during Korra's time) have repeatedly been shown to be accepted as real and factual. At best, people have been shown to not take them all that seriously (such as Tonraq when he inadvertedly destroyed a spirit oasis), but the only person to ever flatout disbelieve in their existence was Sokka, which was due to him having grown up isolated from most of the world.

      Just because there weren't any major spirit incidents between Aang's time and Korra's doesn't mean that the younger generation would suddenly disregard the massive catalogue of historical sightings and events that involved spirits. 

      Remember that Unalaq even mentions the lack of spirituality or tradition in the SWT during that festival. This is even the same SWT that was rebuilt with the help of the NWT, who experienced first hand the greater spirit. For other nations that have gone one without contact with spirits, the effect would be far greater. 

      Which of the citzentry in the major nations seemed to reflect on the reality of spirits in LoK pre-HC? There's the NWT, but they seem to be absent aside from certain characters important to the story. Many of the spirit scenes we see in ATLA seem to take place in isolated pockets or in the spirit world, away from major cities or population centers. Even counting NWT members that still believe in spirits, you have a rather small part of the overall population

      You do raise a point on the idea of people not taking the traditional or spiritual aspect seriously. It seemed to cause a number of problems besides Tonraq, and he even came from the NWT. You could say a similar thing happened with Korra's first trip to the spirit world or even Raiko's action.

      But the professor also "disappears" completely, which wouldn't have a good impact on his department of Anthropology nor the acceptance of spirits in general. Even the attempt to find the library itself was based on gathering knowledge and his primary field than spirits themselves. Maybe if he was the head of a Spirit department perhaps, but his disappearance would negatively affect the department all the same.

      The point being that if you have generations without spirits running around everywhere, more and more start to disregard their existance. Doubt sets in. Characters begin and end their lives without seeing anything like a spirit. Why would they begin to accept tales of them all of a sudden?

      The situation isn't helped once you have an event with a character like Amon stating that spirits have given him powers and he's revealed as a fake at the end. New examples of spirits would have likely been doubted. 

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    • I am very sure that the URN is the least spiritual of all nations and has the largest atheist population because we all know that they are past the enlightenment already and people have stopped being spiritual so Raiko thought that Korra was spewing some bull sh*t and didn't believe her it seems very likely that he is an atheist so of course he isn't going to believe her and will walk off laughing at her and tell her she's insane and is now frustrated with all the spirits coming back and believes they were never meant to be and is upset that he can't get rid of them.

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    • Avatar thoyrn wrote:
      I am very sure that the URN is the least spiritual of all nations and has the largest atheist population 

      No wonder it was the first place Unalaq wanted to destroy

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    • I bet that is one reason he hated Tonraq aside from being heir to the throne. that possibly is one of the reasons besides the fact it is the most powerful nation and will cause the most devastation.

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    • Raiko is the good president of republic city he protect his citizens

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    • Raiko don't listen to avatar korra

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    • he is not good and he doesn't protect his citizens he is no better than the council.

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    • When the dark avatar attach republic city Raiko just useless to fight the dark avatar

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    • Raiko's intentions are pure. He cares for the citizens, but he refuses to admit to his limitations and mistakes in the efforts he makes. Yes, a good leader is decisive and has faith in themselves, but does not arrogantly deny their mistakes or try to cast blame on others.

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    • well of course he is admitting limitations. he is a non-bender, limiting physical abilities. second of all he had to face a gigantic dark spirit monster who can step on him and he will die without a trace depending on what he can do. although i am surprised that Raiko doesn't abuse his power although they probably have checks and balances.

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    • Raiko is just useless bitch

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    • THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope to see Raiko impeached in book 4.

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    • Okay, hold on, let's go over some terms, here:

      Spiritual=Belief AND reverence of a supposed supernatural realm.

      Atheist=Do not believe in GODS. Whether or not one would define a spirit as a god is a matter of debate.

      Naturalistic=Belief that the world operates entirely without supernatural influence.

      I am not just nitpicking, these distinctions are important. When someone says, "X isn't spiritual," they don't necessarily mean that X harbors no belief in spirits. Tonraq, for example, isn't spiritual, but he knows for a fact that spirits exist--he's fought them hand-to-hand.

      There really isn't any sign of a credible "Naturalist Community" in the Avatar World. We saw 1 guy who was a naturalist for probably less than half a season. This is a really elaborate ASSUMPTION to support the ASSUMPTION that Raiko did not believe in Spirits. This is not something that he ever said, & even if we assume that it's such a normal thing in Republic City, then why wouldn't he just say he doesn't believe her? In fact, when we see the finale, he & the United Forces seem pretty sure that SOMETHING is going to show up.

      Atheism, as I said previously, is a relatively unimportant term in this context. Someone who believes that the spirits are gods would be a theist, while someone who believes that they aren't would be an atheist. They actually believe in the same thing, they just disagree on how to define it.

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    • He is a politician.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Okay, hold on, let's go over some terms, here:

      Spiritual=Belief AND reverence of a supposed supernatural realm.

      Atheist=Do not believe in GODS. Whether or not one would define a spirit as a god is a matter of debate.

      Naturalistic=Belief that the world operates entirely without supernatural influence.

      I am not just nitpicking, these distinctions are important. When someone says, "X isn't spiritual," they don't necessarily mean that X harbors no belief in spirits. Tonraq, for example, isn't spiritual, but he knows for a fact that spirits exist--he's fought them hand-to-hand.

      There really isn't any sign of a credible "Naturalist Community" in the Avatar World. We saw 1 guy who was a naturalist for probably less than half a season. This is a really elaborate ASSUMPTION to support the ASSUMPTION that Raiko did not believe in Spirits. This is not something that he ever said, & even if we assume that it's such a normal thing in Republic City, then why wouldn't he just say he doesn't believe her? In fact, when we see the finale, he & the United Forces seem pretty sure that SOMETHING is going to show up.

      Atheism, as I said previously, is a relatively unimportant term in this context. Someone who believes that the spirits are gods would be a theist, while someone who believes that they aren't would be an atheist. They actually believe in the same thing, they just disagree on how to define it.

      I only use spiritality as a belief in spirits in general, not to refer to any religion or belief system of our world. 

      Again, I'd have to ask where do we see any scene or any evidence that supports knowledge that the character has of any spirit? Of the greater spirits? We only have the undercurrent established early in book 2 about the lack of spirituality in the world (or at least the SWT, which also wouldn't bode well for other nations) and then the reveal of Unavaatu in the city. That's not counting the problem of spirits and Amon, which further hurts the idea that the common people know everything about spirits. 

      We also have to remember that the lack of a connection to the spirits is the main reason why Korra leaves open the portals. We even had ample time in the book to establish a counterbalance to the undercurrent. Things could certainly be different if there was an established belief in spirits in these, but there's nothing.

      The creators specifically chose not to have anything like that. Instead we got an Indiana Jones homage to the third film's boat race or a kidnapping attempt by humans. A lack of spirits in the main setting is there for a reason. There's just not anything there to point at an established knowledge of spirits with the Republic or the general populace. And we haven't even counted the inability of the characters to do anything about the result of book 2 at the beginning of book 3.

      We also have to remember there's some amount of time after the world is covered in darkness and when Unavaatu leaves the south pole. Something tells me that the distance traveled between the the pole and Republic City took some time. We can't really say for certain, but I doubt it is an instanteous form of travel. So we could have something like 5 minutes for RC to prepare to say half an hour. 

      Remember that the fleet is currrent docked in RC for repaired and personnel training. During the scene the ships are placed at the heads of the different rivers, which is extremely odd. I mean, you wouldn't defend a port with ships in a position like that. Then again, this is General Iroh and Raiko probably doesn't have any experience with something like. More likely, they unhitched from where they were docked.

      With a competent police force, mobilization of forces would be easy. I doubt anyone say they are slow to react, since even from the beginning of LoK book 1 the police seem to be able to react quickly. All you would need is to do a general call to action and they would be ready at various points in the city. Like what we saw.

      Also remember that Korra gives a pretty vague "few days" line about the time remaining.  Korra didn't seem to actually know the time limit and the Team barely got there with some time to spare. With that I highly highly doubt Raiko stayed in that airship for indeterminate amount of time. It wouldn't make any sense.

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    • Raiko is also stubborn and wants things to go his way well yeah he cares about the republic in some way he may have just wanted Korra to be specific with everything and after the equalists attack in republic city I doubt he didn't want it destroyed again.

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    • In a nutshell:

      Korra cares for matters regarding the whole world

      Raiko only cares for republic city

      S2 turned bad because Raiko didnt believe an issue outside republic city would affect it. Korra's duties as world protector is superior to Raikos so he should have listened, but he's not into spiritual stuff

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    • he is actually the leader of the united republic not just republic city.

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    • I love how none of the antagonists are purely bad. I think Raiko is more of an annoying complication - less a villain. 

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    • I think he may become an antagonist in book 4.

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    • It would be cool if Zaheer and his crew dont get defeated this season. that would be interesting 

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    • I kind of hope so but what I really want to see is an ending that doesn't feature an 11th hour super power .which r great when used in small doses but not to end every season Note I didn't use deus ex machina because avatar usually has some foreshadowing in final fights minus jinoras light thing

      But think bout it

      Aang vs fire nation end of bk 1 aang gets to be koizilla

      Aang vs Ozai bk 3 aang gets energy bending from last living lion turtle

      Korra vs Amon Bk1- blocking elements unlocks air bending plus aang saves the day out of no where

      Korra vs vaatu Bk2- korra can project her spirit from tree of time, jinora can lure raava out of vaatu

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      I kind of hope so but what I really want to see is an ending that doesn't feature an 11th hour super power .which r great when used in small doses but not to end every season

      Note I didn't use deus ex machina because avatar usually has some foreshadowing in final fights minus jinoras light thing

      But think bout it

      Aang vs fire nation end of bk 1 aang gets to be koizilla

      Aang vs Ozai bk 3 aang gets energy bending from last living lion turtle

      Korra vs Amon Bk1- blocking elements unlocks air bending plus aang saves the day out of no where

      Korra vs vaatu Bk2- korra can project her spirit from tree of time, jinora can lure raava out of vaatu

      I think that will "change" this book.

      Either Zaheer wont die and book 3 ends with an "venom" that affects book 4

      Or Korra will straight out take him down in combat or Team Avatar and supports will. There is no spiritual trick or bloodbending side effects with Zaheer, its straight on brutal bending

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    • What u said about venom, Just gave me an idea about how it may end korra defeats Zaheer and rest of his gang, but the people of the world love Zaheer and his ideology and become livid with korra and turmoil builds into next season

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    • There are a number of potential targets with the venom episode: Tonraq (he is a leader and proximity to the Avatar right now), Raiko (mentioned by Zaheer), Iroh (heir and supposedly in the same place as Raiko), Eska/Desna (leader), Zuko, and the Fire Lord. Tenzin is also a possible target because of his leadership position in the new Air Nation. The most likely two seem to be Tonraq (proximity) and Tenzin.

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    • Because Zaheer and P'li are shown fighting at the Northern Air Temple in animics as well as Kai being blasted off a cliff by P'li Im thinking Tenzin will be an target by Zaheer

      The Airbenders who did not go with Tenzin are on their free path, but the ones Tenzin did recruit are under his leadership

      Because the Air Nomads are just being trained, low in number, and small location they're an easy target

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    • Shouldn't tenzin have found the white lotus guards that r in Zaheers cell by now and help them before they starve?

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    • i haven't been following this thread, but i saw thebridge's last reply on my feed, so i thought i'd reply...

      the entire cell was made of metal, and at least one of those guards was a metalbender, so i'm sure they got out as soon as zaheer was gone.

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    • it doesn't seem like any of the guards were metalbenders because none of them could break out.

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    • they had to use metalbending to get in... shown when they opened the prison. some were knocked out after getting locked up, and even if they weren't, they wouldn't try to get back up while the guy who beat them down is still standing there.

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      I love how none of the antagonists are purely bad. I think Raiko is more of an annoying complication - less a villain. 

      He's definitely not a villain, but he is an incredibly moronic and incompetent boob and one of the very worst people that you could put in a postion of leadership :P As evidenced by all of his decisions thus far in addition to his general lack of respect for the Avatar.

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    • Didn't the Avatar try to do something like start a war behind the back of the government? Wouldn't that really hurt her image with that government? By quite a bit?

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    • Raiko thinks with fears rather than his head making him a terrible choice for presidency.

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    • How so? I didn't really see any expressions of fear. There were annoyed looks, like the one he makes in book 3 during the press conference. There is that look he makes during 'A Night of a Thousand Stars', but its also a cheap commerical break look for some sort of added tension.

      Calculating might work for some of them. Much of the earlier scenes with Raiko seem to lack any real emotion from the character. Book 3 does add the element of frustration with the powerlessness of the situation he faces. There's also some of that same emotion with Korra too.

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    • Raiko is a coward and he is afraid. I believe he is afraid of Korra.

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    • How so?

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    • he seems to fear the changes in the united republic and after what Korra did he must fear her.

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    • You mean the vines or another thing? With the vines, I guess you could say something with the potential fear of losing the next election because of his low approval ratings on the basis of him being a politican. It would explain his action to ban Korra, who has lower ratings than he has, at an opportune time. 

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    • I didn't really see any

      The irony is so thick I could cut it with a knife.

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    • well he is definitely not going to be re-elected.

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    • ...or will he??

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    • Avatar thoyrn wrote:

      well he is definitely not going to be re-elected.

      That seems likely right now. I wonder what others are going to be running though? Like an anti-spirit or anti-Avatar candidate?

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    • Korra for President. If nothing else, it would be funny.

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    • I bet many people are going to do that as a joke but I think Tenzin will eventually be nominated for election that is (sorry if this is a spoiler to those who have yet to see the ultimatum.) if he is still alive after how badly the red lotus assaulted him.

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    • Avatar thoyrn wrote:
      I bet many people are going to do that as a joke but I think Tenzin will eventually be nominated for election that is (sorry if this is a spoiler to those who have yet to see the ultimatum.) if he is still alive after how badly the red lotus assaulted him.

      That actually makes alot of sense being the calmness and leadership tenzin has shown thus far. If he does Die( I hope not )he should give Jinora tattoos as a final act before he dies.

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    • I just hope Jinora doesn't shave her forehead when she gets her tattoos in fact I would prefer her to just get the tattoos on her arms.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Korra for President. If nothing else, it would be funny.

      I actually thought about that if she solves the vine problem. All of the current physical world spirits looks like pokemon so there's the cute factor she can use too. Add a spirit vice president [insert cute name] and she'd have it in the bag.

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    • He is selfish.

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      Cant really figure it out

      He could of prevented alot of problems if he deployed the united forces against Unalaq, such as the destruction of republic city. Korra would also still have connection to previous lives. Is Raiko doing whats right? Korra could have explained the Water Tribe war would destroy republic city and in the end it did

      According to the S3 premiere, his approval rating is apparently as low as the Avatar. Do you think he will be taken down?

      Personally I do not like Raiko as a character, but does anyone differ? And if so what good did he do? It only seems they put a non-bender as president because equalists complained the entire council were benders.

      I for one don't like Raiko eather to tell you the truth.

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    • The avatar getting approval ratings is stupid. She is the avatar until she dies.

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    • The approval rating line is there to show how much public discontent there is for Korra from the general masses, bender or non-bender. You would call it a "trigger" or a point in the story where the main character has a problem she cannot control (approval rating and the vines) and where the story begins to take off (trying to solve the problem).

      Of course there's a sudden shift to the air bending problem.

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote: The avatar getting approval ratings is stupid. She is the avatar until she dies.

      Approval ratings don't actually have any effect on the Presidency, either.

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    • Thinklogic wrote: Cant really figure it out

      He could of prevented alot of problems if he deployed the united forces against Unalaq, such as the destruction of republic city. Korra would also still have connection to previous lives. Is Raiko doing whats right? Korra could have explained the Water Tribe war would destroy republic city and in the end it did

      According to the S3 premiere, his approval rating is apparently as low as the Avatar. Do you think he will be taken down?

      Personally I do not like Raiko as a character, but does anyone differ? And if so what good did he do? It only seems they put a non-bender as president because equalists complained the entire council were benders.

      Raiko is a world class loser that just wants to be adored and has no interest in helping the Four Nations.

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    • I really want his impeachment I bet the only reason he was elected was because he was a non-bender and his opponent was probably an earthbender or something but Raiko was definitely the only non-bending candidate.

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    • This was said once by Skynet in Terminator Salvation: "In times of desperation, people will believe whatever they want to believe." I believe the same could be said in Raiko's case; select members of Republic City wanted to believe that he would fix the problems they had because of the Equalists due to being desperate for their quality of life to be preserved, and so he was chosen to lead the city as the president. But desperation will cause people to make the wrong choices, and not aiding the Avatar in bringing balance to the world was a wrong choice on Raiko's part. His time in office may be short-lived.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      ShortswitsoxZ wrote: The avatar getting approval ratings is stupid. She is the avatar until she dies.

      Approval ratings don't actually have any effect on the Presidency, either.

      Sorry, my face is red.

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    • I think he's a moron that's trying to do the right thing, but first and foremost worries about his approval rating.  He seems to have a vendetta against Korra because his job is more stressful and difficult because of her actions.  However, when she is actually trying to do some good for the world, such as rebuilding the Air Nation and bringing the world back to a more spiritual place, his comtempt for her is "blinding him to the possibilities of a new reality" and harmony for all.  He seems to be 40% wanting to help the people and 60% wanting to help himself.

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    • Waterbender Shen wrote:
      I think he's a moron that's trying to do the right thing, but first and foremost worries about his approval rating.  He seems to have a vendetta against Korra because his job is more stressful and difficult because of her actions.  However, when she is actually trying to do some good for the world, such as rebuilding the Air Nation and bringing the world back to a more spiritual place, his comtempt for her is "blinding him to the possibilities of a new reality" and harmony for all.  He seems to be 40% wanting to help the people and 60% wanting to help himself.

      I also think that.

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      ShortswitsoxZ wrote: The avatar getting approval ratings is stupid. She is the avatar until she dies.

      Approval ratings don't actually have any effect on the Presidency, either.

      Sorry, my face is red.

      I don't know what you're trying to imply, here.

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    • In a year, maybe two, nobody's going to give a care about Raiko's presidency.

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    • Raiko is still an asshole. I really wish Zaheer and his gang would have taken him out earlier!

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    • Raiko may be still an asshole, but at least he apologize to Korra. He still an asshole though. 

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    • I think the creators don't mean to make Raiko change in the way the audience would like to see. He's changing for the worst.

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    • AvatarJinzo wrote: Raiko may be still an asshole, but at least he apologize to Korra. He still an asshole though. 

      It seemed to me like he "apologized" in a really asshole & insincere way, with his overriding concern being at who would protect him from threats like the Red Lotus with Korra out of commission.

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    • "You went as far as becoming paralyized, mercury poisoned, heart broken, and crippled to a wheelchair to defend the world, ok I believe you now Avatar"

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    • Yeah, people apologize, but they don't really change. I feel Korra doesn't need Raiko on her back all the time. He needs to get a grip and start listening to the Avatar. I mean he needs to listen to her because she's the one guiding the world toward peace and balance.

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    • Hold on! When did he apologize to Korra?! Was it a new episode?

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    • you know the finale's out, right?

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    • Waterbend.3.19 wrote:
      Yeah, people apologize, but they don't really change. I feel Korra doesn't need Raiko on her back all the time. He needs to get a grip and start listening to the Avatar. I mean he needs to listen to her because she's the one guiding the world toward peace and balance.

      Him doubting her was perfectly reasonable though, at first. I mean, she did try to go behind his back and use his soldiers in a war he made clear he wanted no part of. 

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    • Waterbend.3.19 wrote:
      Yeah, people apologize, but they don't really change. I feel Korra doesn't need Raiko on her back all the time. He needs to get a grip and start listening to the Avatar. I mean he needs to listen to her because she's the one guiding the world toward peace and balance.

      It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar. Korra is (was?) as rash, impulsive and aggressive teenager (she isn't even a young woman yet !). Being the Avatar doesn't make her wiser by virtue, we have seen her make many mistakes and wrong choices. I think that a question which hasn't been addressed yet (and I believe that it will in Book 4) is : Does the Avatar's really needed anymore ?

      The world have changed and humans may have matured and Raiko is a good example of that, with him being a non-bender elected to replace a Council which wasn't (anymore) representative of the non-bending community in Republic City. He was elected by the URN citizens and they were the ones he needed to protect (if only to be reelected later on). Inequalities are a fact in Republic City, despite the feeble attempt of Book 1 to sell us that it wasn't the case with the hobo after the Equalist takeover of the city, who claimed that benders and non-benders lived perfectly in harmony in the slums, without us ever seeing any sign of this (hell, benders in slums are probably the first pool of recruits for the triads, since they can offer them wealth and some sort of fame instead of being left to rot in the streets).

      Plus, Korra and the world aren't facing as clear-cut threat than Aang : the Fire Nation was the enemy to be defeated, it was an obvious enemy and and obvious objectif; Korra faced the Equalists who had a point and a reason to revolt (otherwise, they wouldn't have), then she had to deal with political strife and an enemy who was a religious fanatic and finally, her enemies were anarchist and religious in the same time. So, it is harder for the Avatar to be that Voice of Wisdom, since the solutions of old are totally outdated.

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    • I'd definitely agree that people shouldn't simply agree with the Avatar based on the premise that the "Avatar is the Avatar". Part of it is that Korra has to show that responsible side. With post-book 3, Korra can definitely show that. Prior to book 2's finale, it's very difficult for her to show something along those lines because of some of her actions.

      With the Avatar and the necessity of wether or not the character is needed question, there is the idea that the Raava spirit adds some sort of legitimacy to the character. There is also the idea introduced at the finale of book 3 that one person alone cannot bring balance, despite how much power they have. There was a certain theme of that going along throughout ATLA too.

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    • It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar.

      Why the United Republic doesn't have an Avatar Clause is beyond me. Something that outlines the terms for negotiations between the government & the Avatar, when the Avatar defers to the government & vice versa.

      Inequalities are a fact in Republic City, despite the feeble attempt of Book 1 to sell us that it wasn't the case with the hobo after the Equalist takeover of the city

      Pretty sure this was just the hobo's opinion, & a way of saying that bending isn't the only factor in determining a person's status.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar.

      Why the United Republic doesn't have an Avatar Clause is beyond me. Something that outlines the terms for negotiations between the government & the Avatar, when the Avatar defers to the government & vice versa.

      The avatar is only human( well mostly human anyway) and can mmake mistakes even with the best herted interests.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar.

      Why the United Republic doesn't have an Avatar Clause is beyond me. Something that outlines the terms for negotiations between the government & the Avatar, when the Avatar defers to the government & vice versa.


      Inequalities are a fact in Republic City, despite the feeble attempt of Book 1 to sell us that it wasn't the case with the hobo after the Equalist takeover of the city

      Pretty sure this was just the hobo's opinion, & a way of saying that bending isn't the only factor in determining a person's status.

      We really don't know who really drafted the new government. I suppose it had insight of Tenzin and the previous council members. There could have even been public debate like the numerous articles and letters during the formation of the US consitution. Both were likely constructed with the idea of some sort of compromise and containing elements of the era in question.

      Having a potentially vague, a phrase such as national security, "Avatar clause' could even disastrous, if misused. Namily, the first time Korra tries to get the navy to head south. 

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar.

      Why the United Republic doesn't have an Avatar Clause is beyond me. Something that outlines the terms for negotiations between the government & the Avatar, when the Avatar defers to the government & vice versa.

      The avatar is only human( well mostly human anyway) and can mmake mistakes even with the best herted interests.

      The government can be wrong too. Hence the need for a clause that outlines the rules that the 2 parties should agree to.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      ShortswitsoxZ wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar.
      Why the United Republic doesn't have an Avatar Clause is beyond me. Something that outlines the terms for negotiations between the government & the Avatar, when the Avatar defers to the government & vice versa.
      The avatar is only human( well mostly human anyway) and can mmake mistakes even with the best herted interests.

      The government can be wrong too. Hence the need for a clause that outlines the rules that the 2 parties should agree to.

      My point is you should not follow her blindly.

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      ShortswitsoxZ wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar.
      Why the United Republic doesn't have an Avatar Clause is beyond me. Something that outlines the terms for negotiations between the government & the Avatar, when the Avatar defers to the government & vice versa.
      The avatar is only human( well mostly human anyway) and can mmake mistakes even with the best herted interests.

      The government can be wrong too. Hence the need for a clause that outlines the rules that the 2 parties should agree to.

      My point is you should not follow her blindly.

      And my point is that this is irrelevant to my posts that you are quoting, because they do not say to do that.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      ShortswitsoxZ wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:

      ShortswitsoxZ wrote:


      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It may have been true in the past, but I don't see why anyone should listen to the Avatar simply because the Avatar is the Avatar.
      Why the United Republic doesn't have an Avatar Clause is beyond me. Something that outlines the terms for negotiations between the government & the Avatar, when the Avatar defers to the government & vice versa.
      The avatar is only human( well mostly human anyway) and can mmake mistakes even with the best herted interests.
      The government can be wrong too. Hence the need for a clause that outlines the rules that the 2 parties should agree to.
      My point is you should not follow her blindly.
      And my point is that this is irrelevant to my posts that you are quoting, because they do not say to do that.

      Fine, but do you agree with me or not.

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    • One thing that I think a lot of people do (Korra included?) is confuse the United Republic of Nations as a UN type figure when really the United Republic is a soverign nation of equal standing as the Earth Kingdom or Fire Nation.  Likewise, the United Forces is merely Forces "the military of the Rep