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  • I think they would be mostly earth kingdom because of the diversity of the people in general. Although it could be possible for them to be fire nation too, I guess. Or maybe water tribe because most of them are dark anyway. I haven't seen any dark air nomads. What does the discussion board think?

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    • My guess would be either the tropical Fire Nation or the more equitorial areas of the Earth Kingdom, such as the Si Wong desert. Anywhere along the equator or where sunlight is particularly concentrated, really.

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    • well... not to pull a hasdi, but i'm gonna bring the movie into this. iirc, there were blacks and asians in the EK, eskimos/inuits and whites in the WT, asians, whites, and a few indians in the air temples, and indians in the FN

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    • Don't use the movie, you saw what they did to firebending

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    • Wasent there a dark skined kid in the serpent's pass episode?

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    • The Air Nomad Critic is on the right track with some equitorial areas. Africa's typical climate is largely based on the idea that water follows the sun or so I've been told, so any area like a seasonal savannah or tropical grassland would work? The problem is that this is based on our world and the Avatar one has different migration patterns and human developments so it also might not work. It's a bit tough.

      Is there a definite location of the equator and weather patterns? Something tells me that it is a no.

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    • Considering we know where the poles are, the equator should just be where it would be on Earth, right between the poles, which also seems to be where the Fire Nation is (hence its tropical climate).

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    • I think the desert sandbenders would be a good choice. I thought it was really weird the sandbenders were so light skinned living in the desert of all places? I can only stay out in the sun without sunscreen in summer weather for about five minutes before I start getting badly sunburned, how would such light skinned people survive in a desert?

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    • Agree. They should at least have been more similar to Arab complexions. I'm thinking Guru Pathik may be the closest we're going to get. Pity.

      But if the Avaterverse were to find darker complected tribes, I'd be ecstatic to find they were water benders. Surely water benders would have the best chance of surviving in an equitorial/desert climate. Earthbenders maybe, but I'm thinking that logically, it has to be water.

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    • Well let's see the Fire Nation and Air Nomads are very light skinned almost European while the Water Tribes are medium to dark tanned, and the Earth Kingdom seem to range from light to dark tanned. Could the Four Nations have come frome eachother? Like the Fire Nation and Air Nomads being related?

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    • I'm not sure where I read it so not sure if it's a fact, but I remember reading that it's genetically impossible to get a dark race from a light one but you can get a light race from a dark one. 

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    • Hmm your research sounds right. I still think the Air Nomads and Fire nation are related in some way though?

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    • You're most likely right. 

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    • Ah thank you.

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    • It might be based on the location of where those lion turtle holdouts where located during Wan's time. A large concentration in certain geographic locations would almost lend themselves to how the humans adapted. What we don't have is the timeframe those humans stayed on the lion turtles.

      If there's any way to develop something or have change through something like genetic drift, it is time.

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    • Well you also have to take into effect that at some point in history the Avatar started a tradition of keeping the people's seperated. That could be why their are so few divisions of the nations.

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    • one sure thing is that if black people excisted in the Avatar World,then we would see racism in the series

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    • Onlyanearthbenderontuesdays wrote:
      I think they would be mostly earth kingdom because of the diversity of the people in general.
      You would be right. 
      Avatar impersonators
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    • TASOSOSFP wrote:
      one sure thing is that if black people excisted in the Avatar World,then we would see racism in the series


      Yes because the Fire Nation's supremacist beliefs didn't border on racism. Allow me to quote Ozai, "You're weak! Just like the rest of your people. They did not deserve to exist in this world...in MY world."

      ...I'd say pretty racist.

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    • That's an interesting picture. Which episode was that one taken? 

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    • The picture's from The Serpent's Pass from Book 2.

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    • I wonder if it was snuck in by the animators or as an easter egg?

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    • Why the heck does anyone care? This is a wiki. 9_9

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    • Primarily because its interesting to discuss. Wikis aren't all facts and figures, you know, especially not the forums.

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    • They were originally meant as encyclopedias where people could go and search for quality information in a professional environment. Now 99% of wikis are more social media sites than encyclopedias. And it's interesting to discuss where black people would be in the world of Avatar? That's interesting? Must not take much. -_-

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    • For those of us who like to talk about hypotheticals in our favorite IPs, yes, actually. If you don't want to discuss it, there are plenty of other threads you can go on to talk about subjects more to your liking.

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    • Arent most water tribe folks black, like Korra and Katara, their skin seems darker than other protagonists. By the looks of it no character cares and when Korra was assumed to be from the water tribe, they pointed out her clothing rather than her skin colour

      I was also thinking why there are no blondes, the only character with a hair colour besides black,grey, and white was Ginger

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    • I wouldn't call them black, necessarily. If you look at the skin tones of Inuits, upon whom the Water Tribe is based, they are indeed darker than say Northern Europeans, but far from what is usually seen in many of those of African descent we term "black".

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    • The Air Nomad Critic wrote:
      For those of us who like to talk about hypotheticals in our favorite IPs, yes, actually. If you don't want to discuss it, there are plenty of other threads you can go on to talk about subjects more to your liking.

      ^ This. It's also a way to kill some time until book 3 is released.

      The skin color of the northern water tribes always reminded me of the dark skin characters from a number of animes. One that I really remember when I watch ATLA or LoK is Nadia: Secret of Blue Water and the main character Nadia. 

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    • The Air Nomad Critic wrote:
      If you look at the skin tones of Inuits, upon whom the Water Tribe is based, they are indeed darker than say Northern Europeans

      Sigh. Icon_yawn.gif Inuit may be darker than most white Europeans, but not THAT dark. Another case in point, an Inuk documentary filmmaker, Alethea Arnaquq-Baril [1] Water Tribe skin tone is similar to Native Americans like Kiowa Gordon, Hispanics like Seychelle Gabriel, South East Asians, Tibetans, etc. etc.. Black would like Will Smith and Samuel L. Jackson. xP

      See this page on NASA's website. "UV-B radiation is stronger at the equator than the poles". For protection, human skin produces pigments in response to Ultraviolet light. Natural selection favors those with darker skin closer to the equators and lighter skin closer to the poles. That's why people descended from Europe (and "snow-able" areas) tend to have light skin, and more likely to get sunburned than a decent tan. xP

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    • The Air Nomad Critic wrote: I wouldn't call them black, necessarily. If you look at the skin tones of Inuits, upon whom the Water Tribe is based, they are indeed darker than say Northern Europeans, but far from what is usually seen in many of those of African descent we term "black".

      Kinda what I was going for, Hasdi.

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    • ^ Oh, what I meant was Inuit are not as dark as the Water Tribes depicted in ATLA and TLoK. Inuit are more "in-between" much closer to white Europeans than Native Americans. However, the Water Tribes in TLoK are more strongly inspired by Inuit history and culture than in ATLA, especially in Book 2: Spirits.

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    • White people in the southern Water Tribe doesn't click for historical reasons. However, I'd say look at the sun in the show, where is it the sunniest and where does it lack it? I'm going to put this in the most likely the sun appears and the type of benders appear there and the culture inhabitied there.

      Sunniest = Fire Nation - Firebenders - Japanese Influenced.

      Mostly Sunny = Earth Kingdom - Earthbenders - Chinese Influenced.

      Cloudy = Air Nomads - Airbenders - Hindu/Indian Influenced.

      Rarely Any Sun = Water Tribes - Waterbenders - Eskimos/Inuits

      Though this might not be accurate enough but speaking historically, the most sun a culture gets, the darker there skin gets because of a bit of adaption to the sun, the darker skin helps protect against the sun while the whiter skin doesn't (which is why when a white person gets a tan, there skin gets darker). However, as we see in what I listed, this doesn't apply as the less sun there is, the darker the skin color is, though, since it's also historical that Japanese and the Chinese have the wider eyes because of the sun and that Hawaiians have both darker skin like that of a Native America and the wide eyes of the Japanese culture. So this could effectively mean that if black people existed, they'd have to be in a pretty sunny enviroment, I'd say either the Fire Nation islands or a long stretch of land in the Earth Kingdom somewhere closer to the south.

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      I should also note that it's pretty concidental that the only white people in the film are Katara and Sokka and that the rest of the village is Inuit. I might even say that making the Fire Nation more Indian than the Indian Inspired Air Nomads 'is a bit.... odd.

      Well to be fair, the Air Nomads might just be a mix of Hindu and Asian culture since Japan's major religion is Hinduism.

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    • The Air Nomads in both the animated series and the movie as a whole seemed more inspired by Shaolin and Tibetan monks than India.

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    • I've considered that perhaps the water tribes haven't been at the poles for a long enough span of time to have their skin tones affected. We know that humanity was contained to just lion turtles for quite a long time until Wan's era and actions. It's quite possible that the ancestor water tribe that yielded the present water tribes could have originally inhabited an equatorial area. After Wan, they could have drifted to different areas over many generations before finally settling at the two poles.

      There's just a lack of information available like where the lion turtle cities were, geological information, and so forth. I'd like to know who the two opposing forces were during that final battle Wan fought in before his death. Just lot of theories.

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    • The Air Nomad Critic wrote:
      For those of us who like to talk about hypotheticals in our favorite IPs, yes, actually. If you don't want to discuss it, there are plenty of other threads you can go on to talk about subjects more to your liking.

      IP?

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    • Intellectual Property.

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    • Who remembers the last blonde person in Avatar!



      Well I sure f***ing don't...

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    • I wouldn't have guessed that would bother someone.

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    • If Ginger is any indicator of new trends, blondes could certainly pop up.

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    • Oh, Ginger?


      I THOUGH VAATU KILLED HER

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    • Earth kingdom

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    • Ah maybe Fire Nation Swordsman named Piandao.

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    • Cant really distinquish black and white, some characters seem to change skin colour constantly

      Bolin hugging Opal

      Black Opal

      Lin meets Opal

      White Opal

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    • It just appears that way because of the shadow.

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    • Opal has brown skin in both metal clan and the airtemple

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    • I just assumed Opal and Suyin were both part Water tribe.

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    • most of the earth kingdom has brown skin. It's rare to see white earth kingdom residents. Beifong family is one of those rare resdients, the brown skin people of beifong family are Suyin's family.

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    • Black people in the Avatar universe would be the Earth Kingdom I believe. But I have considered Korra to be black as well. 

      The Fire Nation would mosat likely be considered the white Europeans. I mean when you look at their massive navel force and their history of imperalism it reminds me of the history of the British. Admiral Zhao's sideburns sealed the deal for me.

      With all that being said, There is no such thing as Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, etc. people in the Avatar universe. Many of the nations have influence from many places. The fire nation is influenced from both European and Asian cultures.

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    • Well some Earth Kingdom citizens do have brown-black skin,but then again the people of the Water Tribes are also black.

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    • But the Water Tribe are Inuit, a group of East Asian decent. If we want to get scientific about there are no "Negroids" in the Avatar universe, and whether or not there are any "Caucasians" is debatable.

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    • LinebeckIV wrote:
      But the Water Tribe are Inuit, a group of East Asian decent. If we want to get scientific about there are no "Negroids" in the Avatar universe, and whether or not there are any "Caucasians" is debatable.

      FOH, how can you say their are no black people, but its possible for their to be caucasians. If we are going simply by the color of people's skin, then yes their are both people of color and white people in Avatar.

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    • Kuzon Aangatsuo wrote:
      LinebeckIV wrote:
      But the Water Tribe are Inuit, a group of East Asian decent. If we want to get scientific about there are no "Negroids" in the Avatar universe, and whether or not there are any "Caucasians" is debatable.

      FOH, how can you say their are no black people, but its possible for their to be caucasians. If we are going simply by the color of people's skin, then yes their are both people of color and white people in Avatar.

      But the term Caucasian goes deeper than skin colour, in fact most darker skinned middle eastern people and Indians are caucasian. There are many other genetic features found in black people that make them unique besides skin tone.

      Guru Pathik is evidense that there are caucasians in the world of Avatar as he is clearly based on an Indian design, and as mentioned before most India people are caucasian.

      My argument is not that there are no black skinned people but that there are no, using the scientific term, no negroids in the Avatar universe.

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    • Most Probably The Si Wong Desert.

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    • The EK is populated by whites, as well as people with tanner skin. The darkest we've seen is the boy in Serpents Pass episode. He was a polar extreme of what we've seen though. The usual darkest it seems is a Arab complexion seen in Sand Benders and Beedle Headed Merchants.

      The mysteries are the "Indian/South Asian" characters. Who I, quite frankly wished we had more of. (I'm Indian so I'm a bit biased but still.) I'm not talking some sort of freakish movie change but more Indian inspired characters would be nice. Pathik and Swami both have very dark skin. But we do not know where they are from.

      The fire nation is generally inhabited by a pale skinned people. However exceptions exist such as Piandao, and Chan.

      The water tribes have a dark skin tone. Which is actually seems darker than most inuit skin tones. The reason I believe they still have darker skin is that in Beginnings we seem them in a tropical area where they may have gotten darker skin. Therefore they haven't had time to "evolve" to get lighter skin. This is the same reason I believe the Fire Nation is paler.

      The Air Nation seems fairly pale as well. But we haven't seen that much of them, and the new air nation is part EK, so we won't know for sure.

      So finally for my answer; Islands in the Tropical Fire Nation, perhaps inhabitants that never went on lion turtles and that are originally native to that area :0   I don't think Si Wong because we've seen that already and they aren't that dark. Another thing is that the darkest people in the world live in the Andaman Islands. The Jarawa, this is kinda similar to the FN.

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    • There is that whole 10,000 years of history between Wan and Korra to account for possible changes or discrepancies. But, I'd agree that there must have been some sort of migration of the water tribes from a tropical environment to the poles at some point.

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    • 0zai wrote:
      The darkest we've seen is the boy in Serpents Pass episode.

      What about Piandao?

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    • I'm not sure if race actually plays a part in avatar, The water tribe is based off of Inuit and Native American the earth kingdom is central Asian and Chinese the air nomads are from northern Asia and the fire nation is based off if japan anyway most of the characters to me look white I mean look at Aang you can't say he looks Asian. Also literally every character has either blue green or gold eyes a trait almost only found in people of European descent

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    • that's another beauty of the avatar world: race really isn't a "thing"

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    • Black people do exist in the Avatar World

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Black people do exist in the Avatar World

      I said something like this earlier, EK and Water tribe have darker skin, Im not sure what effects it

      Lin and Suyin reunite

      White, Black, semi-Black

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    • I believe each element is it's own unique race that is different mixtures of actual races Water tribe- Native American Southern European and African Earth kingdom- Central Asian middle eastern and Indian Fire nation- Japanese and Germanic Air nomads- Northern Europeans and northern Asians

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    • I believe that this is the first blog post I've seen that is specifically about black people in which there isn't some racist asshole saying some ignorant shit about blacks or Mexicans. Well done, folks!

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    • Thinklogic wrote:
      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Black people do exist in the Avatar World
      I said something like this earlier, EK and Water tribe have darker skin, Im not sure what effects it
      Lin and Suyin reunite

      White, Black, semi-Black

      I'm sorry, but what relation does ^this^ have to do with <this>?

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    • General Nowacking wrote:

      Well to be fair, the Air Nomads might just be a mix of Hindu and Asian culture since Japan's major religion is Hinduism.

      Wtf? Japan's major religion is Hinduism?

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    • -Darjeeling- wrote:
      General Nowacking wrote:
      Well to be fair, the Air Nomads might just be a mix of Hindu and Asian culture since Japan's major religion is Hinduism.
      Wtf? Japan's major religion is Hinduism?

      Isn't it Shintoism?

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    • I think he means Shinto and Buddhism.

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    • Nowadays Japan isn't very religious. In China the percentage is even lower.

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    • http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e629.html

      Here's a sourse of Japanese religion

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    • Your source agrees with me: "Religion does not play a big role in the everyday life of most Japanese people today."

      Let's have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country

      And Buddhism in China is primarily in Tibet. The Chinese have their own folk religion.

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    • Since when did this become a topic for religious locations?

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    • Probably in the hotter/more desert regions of the Earth Kingdom.

      If you want to be more far-fetched, you could theorize that the World of Avatar is actually Earth in an alternate timeline, or something of the like, as the Earth Kingdom greatly resembles Eurasia. From that theory, you could say that the parts of the Earth resembling Africa and the rest of the world would be in the other side of the World of Avatar.

      Don't take that theory as a fact, though. I just came up with it after looking at the world map. x)

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    • There'd probably be a seperate continent that is undiscovered.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      There'd probably be a seperate continent that is undiscovered.
      Like the new world
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    • Then again, some character in Avatar do have darker skin.

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    • Intelligence4 wrote:
      well... not to pull a hasdi, but i'm gonna bring the movie into this. iirc, there were blacks and asians in the EK, eskimos/inuits and whites in the WT, asians, whites, and a few indians in the air temples, and indians in the FN

      Indians are in the air nation. The water tribes are dark. Dssert people are somewhat dark too. Black actually isn't a race though. If you mean the tropical blacks, then they world just live in fire nation tropical islands. Africans would live in the safari. Considering that the earth nation dessert is almost impossible to live in, that would be one reason there are no "black" people. In my western version of avatar, part of the fire nation is based off of africa (egypt and mesoamerica, worshippe the sun.).

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    • Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      TASOSOSFP wrote:
      one sure thing is that if black people excisted in the Avatar World,then we would see racism in the series

      Yes because the Fire Nation's supremacist beliefs didn't border on racism. Allow me to quote Ozai, "You're weak! Just like the rest of your people. They did not deserve to exist in this world...in MY world."

      ...I'd say pretty racist.

      In "the promise" racism was brought up.Fire nation was ash-makers, and earth kingdom was dirt-people. To fnas, the fire nation is like germany, only seen as bad as reflection to the war. Besides, there were dark people, and they never showed racism towards skin color. In asia, indians had darker skin, for real life connetio.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      TASOSOSFP wrote:
      one sure thing is that if black people excisted in the Avatar World,then we would see racism in the series

      Yes because the Fire Nation's supremacist beliefs didn't border on racism. Allow me to quote Ozai, "You're weak! Just like the rest of your people. They did not deserve to exist in this world...in MY world."

      ...I'd say pretty racist.

      In "the promise" racism was brought up.Fire nation was ash-makers, and earth kingdom was dirt-people. To fnas, the fire nation is like germany, only seen as bad as reflection to the war. Besides, there were dark people, and they never showed racism towards skin color. In asia, indians had darker skin, for real life connetio.


      There was also that guy who helped everyone escape Omashu who thought the FREAKING BABY was evil for being Fire nation.

      Also, thank you for mentioning prejudice against Germans. I swear, people forget about all the GERMANS who were sent to the concentration camps for defying Hitler. Ooh, or Kathe Kollowitz. That woman, made artworks protesting the war, and she and her husband decided to continue doing so after the Nazis threatened to send them both to the camps. The Nazis never followed through on their threat.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      MysticNerd wrote:
      Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      TASOSOSFP wrote:
      one sure thing is that if black people excisted in the Avatar World,then we would see racism in the series

      Yes because the Fire Nation's supremacist beliefs didn't border on racism. Allow me to quote Ozai, "You're weak! Just like the rest of your people. They did not deserve to exist in this world...in MY world."

      ...I'd say pretty racist.

      In "the promise" racism was brought up.Fire nation was ash-makers, and earth kingdom was dirt-people. To fnas, the fire nation is like germany, only seen as bad as reflection to the war. Besides, there were dark people, and they never showed racism towards skin color. In asia, indians had darker skin, for real life connetio.

      There was also that guy who helped everyone escape Omashu who thought the FREAKING BABY was evil for being Fire nation.

      Also, thank you for mentioning prejudice against Germans. I swear, people forget about all the GERMANS who were sent to the concentration camps for defying Hitler. Ooh, or Kathe Kollowitz. That woman, made artworks protesting the war, and she and her husband decided to continue doing so after the Nazis threatened to send them both to the camps. The Nazis never followed through on their threat.

      I was thinking that it wouldn't make any sense really if the fire nation didn't have anybody who protested to it.

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    • There was that hidden Fire nation group with the dragons...

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    • Fire benders, yes. Were they actually with the Fire Nation? They just seemed to be an independant group of people.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Fire benders, yes. Were they actually with the Fire Nation? They just seemed to be an independant group of people.


      There also was that Avatar Roku Temple guy who rebelled.

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    • The fire nation= Germans so Earth empire is the british?

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    • China and Japan, the countries the Earth Kingdom and Fire nation are based on, were in WW2 as well.

      Actually, Japan preached some race-superiority during WW2 as well. They called enemy Europeans "white devils" and stuff, and made many Koreans work in mines.

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    • I always compared the "air nomad genocide" with the holo coast but I can defiantly see the similarities to japan

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    • Maybe they're a combonation of Nazi Germany and WW2 Japan.

      However, The Holocaust certainly isn't the only Genocide that has ever occurred.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:

      However, The Holocaust certainly isn't the only Genocide that has ever occurred.

      Otherwise, genocide wouldn't be a word.

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    • so i guess we are sayibg euther the EK or water tribe?


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    • They also could be Earth benders in a Savannah-like area.

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    • Yeah that's one landscape we haven't seen yet, would be interesting to show one

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    • I would love to see Taiga styled areas.

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    • There was a black character called Piandao, this is sokka's sword master. Quite ironic that they gave the black character a knife...

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    • IVOLTzz wrote:
      There was a black character called Piandao, this is sokka's sword master. Quite ironic that they gave the black character a knife...

      He was based on Sifu Kisu and the "knife" is also based on Sifu Kisu "knife", as is Sokka's "knife".

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    • Johnny.max.313 wrote:
      IVOLTzz wrote:
      There was a black character called Piandao, this is sokka's sword master. Quite ironic that they gave the black character a knife...
      He was based on Sifu Kisu and the "knife" is also based on Sifu Kisu "knife", as is Sokka's "knife".


      I am really curious now...who or what is Sifu Kisu?

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    • The martial arts main advisor for the series, he's the one that decided what each bending would look like

      Water - Tai Chi

      Earth - Hung Garr (Toph's style is Praying Mantis)

      Fire - Northern Shaolin

      Air - Ba Gua

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    • Define "black".

      If you define "black" as "Negroid/Sub-Saharan African", then I doubt that there are any in the Avatar world; most, if not all characters there are racially (more or less) Mongoloid. Dark-skinned characters (as in, comparable to Sub-Saharan Africans), however, would probably be Earth or Fire.

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    • There would be no black people in the fire nation. The population of the Fire Nation is mostly white, in fact, they are the lightest skinned people in the entire Avatar world. Just because it is tropical does not mean there are dark skinned people there. Black people, or darker skinned people outside of the water tribed would most likely be found in the southern earth kingdom, especially areas that weren't particularly explored in the show or comics, like the chameleon bay area and anywhere south of Ba Sing Se and east of the Si Wong Desert.

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    • Piando was pretty dark as well as Jaya

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    • I said mostly white. Sure there are some darker skinned people, but all in all the fire nation is pretty pale in comparison to the other nations. 

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    • Johny316 wrote:
      There would be no black people in the fire nation. The population of the Fire Nation is mostly white, in fact, they are the lightest skinned people in the entire Avatar world. Just because it is tropical does not mean there are dark skinned people there. Black people, or darker skinned people outside of the water tribed would most likely be found in the southern earth kingdom, especially areas that weren't particularly explored in the show or comics, like the chameleon bay area and anywhere south of Ba Sing Se and east of the Si Wong Desert.


      Actually, they're based on Japan, so they're supposed to be Japanese.

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    • Probably from the EK. 

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    • They are based ON Japan. Most of the characters have obvious western features. They are not Japenese. They don't even look Japenese, how can anyone think that? The fire nation is based on japan, but the people don't look japanese, if they were meant to look japanese they would have slightly darker skin and asian features, but they don't. If the creators wanted them to look Japenese, they would have, the truth is, they didn't it, they are white, with some exceptions.

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    • The FN are Japan? A little Their volcanos are active. The Japanese volcanoes in the center mainland are not. FN landscape is based of iceland.

      Here are some feautres non-Japanese.

      -FN wear topknots have crown top piece. Japanese topknot is more back and rectangular. FN is more like Han Dynasty.

      -FN have Caucasian features like Zhao and Ty Lee.

      -FN military armor is based off Chinese armor. The only similarity is Skull Horned helmets which bear little resemblance of the Samurai helmet.

      -Almost all FN hand weapons are pre-Mongol invasion Chinese. Their swords are straight. Japan uses Katanas. Japan do not use GuanDao either. The only similarities are their spear but the FN spear is way thicker than Yari spear.

      -Japan had ironclads...yeah? So did the British.

      -Japan was Imperialistc? Yeah so? So was other nations.

      -Japan invaded China? So? Eight Nations invaded China in the 8 nation alliance in the 1850s.

      And I absoutley cringe when people compare the 100 year to WWII. Blitzkrieg tactics from tanks and aircraft till Late-Ozai. It is more like 100 year War in Europe where it is a static war of taking cities.

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    • Each of the 4 nations cannot be compared to any one real life country. But it is obvious that the Fire Nation is a lot like Imperialistic Japan during the time it invaded China. Yes, it gathers a lot influences from a lot of different places to become its own culture, it isn't a japenese culture and it isn't a chinese culture, it is Fire Nation Culture. But you cannot say that it is not reminiscent of imperialist Japan. Sure lots of people invaded China, and sure lots of countries were imperialistic, but when you add the fact that it is an asian like culture, an archipelago with a volcanic geography, you come out with the only real life comparison: Japan. Although I agree with you on some terms, no one should really compare them to anything except for what they are. They are their own countries with their own stories and no should try to complicate it.

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    • The only reiminsence is geography and maybye the sun. Their culture, clothing, buildings as well, military and political system is more reminiscent to that of Qin/Han Dynasties of China. Sun Warriors are reiminsent of the Aztecs.

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    • Johny316 wrote:
      They are based ON Japan. Most of the characters have obvious western features. They are not Japenese. They don't even look Japenese, how can anyone think that? The fire nation is based on japan, but the people don't look japanese, if they were meant to look japanese they would have slightly darker skin and asian features, but they don't. If the creators wanted them to look Japenese, they would have, the truth is, they didn't it, they are white, with some exceptions.

      Azula doesn't look Japanese then? Mai doesn't look Japanese to you? THEIR SLANTED EYES DO NOT LOOK JAPANESE?!?

      Also, I KNOW people STRAIGHT FROM JAPAN. They have VERY LIGHT skin. I know a girl from China with very light skin.

      Not every Asian is darker skinned!!!!

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    • There are exceptions, but no, Azula does not look Japenese. It would be very easy to make her look Japenese but she isn't. As for Mai, she has that look, she is one of the exceptions. Just use your eyes, they don't look Japanese, I hate fanart that depicts them that way. It is a western show with an asian culture, most of the characters look western, aside from the watertribe characters.

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    • Watertribe are Inuit/Native American. Ozai definetley looks Chinese. Azula kinda(but not Japanese due to her clothing and hairstyle.. Not every Asian has slanted eyes. There are people I know that just look like Opal. Ming Hua and Long Feng are the most steryotipically asian looking. Ty Lee and Zhao are definetley White.

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    • ^^ I am sitting here shocked at ignorance before me.

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    • Johny316 wrote:
      There are exceptions, but no, Azula does not look Japenese. It would be very easy to make her look Japenese but she isn't. As for Mai, she has that look, she is one of the exceptions. Just use your eyes, they don't look Japanese, I hate fanart that depicts them that way. It is a western show with an asian culture, most of the characters look western, aside from the watertribe characters.


      Dude, almost everyone I know who is Japanese is paler than me!!!

      I've only really seen dark-skinned Phillipinos

      Besides, if they made them look too Asian, people would complain about them being stereotyped.

      Also, the artwork is meant to look similar to anime. Have you seen any anime where all the Japanese characters are squinty-eyed?

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    • I think if there were black people. like ethnicity wise black not just darker skinned, the show might've been a little different. I'm black and I remember watching the show thinking, the fire nation wouldn't have been able to get as far as they did. But considering everything is like Asian based, the fighting styles might have been different too. 

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    • Johny316 wrote:
      There are exceptions, but no, Azula does not look Japenese.


      Dude, you're wasting your time. Please don't get frustrated at fans swearing up and down that "Fire Nation is Japan". Gene Yang has decreed this years ago with Mike and Bryan's blessing. I have made similar counter-points before, as well as User:Emperor Qin and others. The bottom line is that Viacom does not want Fire Nation to allude to "Imperial China", even in the movie. There's already storyline in play (since ATLA Book 2 and progressing in the comics) to integrate Kyoshi Island and inhabitants (which IS based on Japan and Japanese culture) into the Fire Nation. Let them be. If you want to know more, just leave a message on my wall. Later.

      Suki worried about Zuko
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    • The four nations aren't really the same as us biologically so whatever. But Southern Water Tribe and some Earth Kingdom people (like Suyin's side of the Beifongs, Kai, et al.) look kind of like "blacks" to me.

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    • Johny316 wrote: There are exceptions, but no, Azula does not look Japenese. It would be very easy to make her look Japenese but she isn't. As for Mai, she has that look, she is one of the exceptions. Just use your eyes, they don't look Japanese, I hate fanart that depicts them that way. It is a western show with an asian culture, most of the characters look western, aside from the watertribe characters.

      There are no white people in the Avatar world. Deal with it.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Johny316 wrote:
      There are exceptions, but no, Azula does not look Japenese.

      Dude, you're wasting your time. Please don't get frustrated at fans swearing up and down that "Fire Nation is Japan". Gene Yang has decreed this years ago with Mike and Bryan's blessing. I have made similar counter-points before, as well as User:Emperor Qin and others. The bottom line is that Viacom does not want Fire Nation to allude to "Imperial China", even in the movie. There's already storyline in play (since ATLA Book 2 and progressing in the comics) to integrate Kyoshi Island and inhabitants (which IS based on Japan and Japanese culture) into the Fire Nation. Let them be. If you want to know more, just leave a message on my wall. Later.

      Suki worried about Zuko


      I suppose that makes sense. People would have whined that they portraying Asians as villains, while completely ignoring that the other nations are also based on minorities

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    • .....What's wrong with you guys?....

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    • BobLogical wrote:

      Johny316 wrote: There are exceptions, but no, Azula does not look Japenese. It would be very easy to make her look Japenese but she isn't. As for Mai, she has that look, she is one of the exceptions. Just use your eyes, they don't look Japanese, I hate fanart that depicts them that way. It is a western show with an asian culture, most of the characters look western, aside from the watertribe characters.

      There are no white people in the Avatar world. Deal with it.

      No I'm sure some characters are based off of Europeans. You can't say aang looks Asian by any stretch or President raiko he's based off teddy Roosevelt.

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:

      BobLogical wrote:

      Johny316 wrote: There are exceptions, but no, Azula does not look Japenese. It would be very easy to make her look Japenese but she isn't. As for Mai, she has that look, she is one of the exceptions. Just use your eyes, they don't look Japanese, I hate fanart that depicts them that way. It is a western show with an asian culture, most of the characters look western, aside from the watertribe characters.

      There are no white people in the Avatar world. Deal with it.

      No I'm sure some characters are based off of Europeans. You can't say aang looks Asian by any stretch or President raiko he's based off teddy Roosevelt.


      Actually, he resembles a Tibetan Buddhist monk

      Actually, the process they use to figure out who the Avatar is is exactly like the process used by Tibetan Monks to find the Dalai Llama

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    • The Air Nomads are based on Tibetan monks. Raiko is likely of Fire Nation descent due to his name having Japanese origins, probably from the colonies.

      No white people.

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    • BobLogical wrote:
      The Air Nomads are based on Tibetan monks. Raiko is likely of Fire Nation descent due to his name having Japanese origins, probably from the colonies.

      No white people.


      I can see people saying Ty Lee looks whate, though, but that's about it.

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    • Eh it's hard to call aang as an adult Asian he is over six foot with a very Americanized beard has grayish blue eyes and brown hair.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:

      BobLogical wrote:
      The Air Nomads are based on Tibetan monks. Raiko is likely of Fire Nation descent due to his name having Japanese origins, probably from the colonies.

      No white people.


      I can see people saying Ty Lee looks whate, though, but that's about it.

      She's from the Fire Nation. I don't think her name is actually real, but it seems to be Korean or Chinese in origin.

      Seriously, no white people. Didn't you ever wonder why they're so far ahead of us?

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    • It's easy to tell if a name is Japanese or Chinese. Standard Chinese phonology generally has no English "R" so the name Iroh would be pronouced Ai-Loh by a native Chinese speaker. OTOH, Japanese phonology has no "L" so the name Ty Lee would be pronounced "Ty Ree" by a native Japanese speaker (and likewise Lu Ten as "Ru Ten"). Ty Lee is not typical Chinese name either but is similar to "Tylie", a typical white American name.

      Also, it is an open secret that Bryan modeled Aang off Mike's likeness, i.e.,  see this documentary @3:45 mark. The older Aang even has Mike's beard. Pu-on Tim is also modeled off Tim Hedrick, and it is Hiroshi Sato that is modeled off Teddy Roosevelt, along with Keita Gotō and Yatarō Iwasaki.[1]

      And no, I don't accept any notion of "equality" that removes whites from the equation. We are all one people. It's all or nothing.

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    • Tell that to the people being teargassed right now.

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    • Where? In America, China, Palestine, North Korea, Tibet, or any foreign country you have issues with? There is equal opportunity for acts of evil. Fortunately, so does acts of good.

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    • I've ordered you some earplugs to go with that blindfold.

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    • No thanks. Although, you might want to take off YOUR blindfold and earplugs so you can see the world without prejudice and bias. Icon_neutral.gif

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    • I'm assuming you're talking about the protestors in the US over the mistreatment of blacks. I sympathize with them and on many fronts, agree with them. They matter and they should be respected as human beings. The fact they even have to say this, demonstrates a massive failing within our society. That said, we can't just exclude whites and/or treat them poorly, that doesn't solve the problem of inequality.

      As an aside, I think Raiko is actually ethnically Water Nation.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      I'm assuming you're talking about the protestors in the US over the mistreatment of blacks. I sympathize with them and on many fronts, agree with them. They matter and they should be respected as human beings. The fact they even have to say this, demonstrates a massive failing within our society. That said, we can't just exclude whites and/or treat them poorly, that doesn't solve the problem of inequality.

      As an aside, I think Raiko is actually ethnically Water Nation.

      Oh yeah, because a nation with a black president is sooo racist. (Eyeroll) If America was as racist as people were claiming, Obama wouldn't be in office.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      I'm assuming you're talking about the protestors in the US over the mistreatment of blacks. I sympathize with them and on many fronts, agree with them. They matter and they should be respected as human beings. The fact they even have to say this, demonstrates a massive failing within our society. That said, we can't just exclude whites and/or treat them poorly, that doesn't solve the problem of inequality.

      As an aside, I think Raiko is actually ethnically Water Nation.

      Oh yeah, because a nation with a black president is sooo racist. (Eyeroll) If America was as racist as people were claiming, Obama wouldn't be in office.

      And I'm sure the people who didn't vote for him did so exclusively because they didn't like his policies.

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    • BobLogical wrote:

      PyroGothNerd wrote:

      Weltall8000 wrote:
      I'm assuming you're talking about the protestors in the US over the mistreatment of blacks. I sympathize with them and on many fronts, agree with them. They matter and they should be respected as human beings. The fact they even have to say this, demonstrates a massive failing within our society. That said, we can't just exclude whites and/or treat them poorly, that doesn't solve the problem of inequality.

      As an aside, I think Raiko is actually ethnically Water Nation.

      Oh yeah, because a nation with a black president is sooo racist. (Eyeroll) If America was as racist as people were claiming, Obama wouldn't be in office.
      And I'm sure the people who didn't vote for him did so exclusively because they didn't like his policies.


      Exactly. People who didn't vote for him didn't like his politics. Even some people who have voted for him are starting to question it.

      ...And now that I think about it, we're going off topic.

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    • My lord, white people... You never cease to amaze me.

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    • BobLogical wrote:
      My lord, white people... You never cease to amaze me.


      (eyeroll) You realize  it's still racist to stereotype white people, too, right?

      Also, it was pretty dumb to assume that I'm white. There's plenty of black people who don't like Obama, either!!! There's plenty of black people who think the protesters out there are being stupid, because looting doesn't exactly make your case when you're trying to say you're not thugs, and apparently everyone forgot about Martin Luther King Jr.'s much more effective peaceful protesting approach)

      You can't just explain whatever the heck I say with "O my gosh white people"

      I'm a minority, too!

      I have a disability, am a woman, AND am in a minority branch of Christianity that's been persecuted since we formed (Our founder was tarred and feathered by multiple angry mobs, and charged with treason by the state, which is illegal because only the federal government has the power to charge anyone with treason)

      I have had to deal with that many times growing up.

      So if you try to say I'm not part of any minority group, then you're full of it.

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    • Another dead black boy by police execution last night. Merry Christmas.

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    • Yeah, the US has quite a few bigots and bigotted policies/laws on the books. We have a long way to go. Just because we have a black president doesn't mean that racial tensions and issues immediately dissolved by the time he took office as president.

      Since you're throwing these specific traits in the discussion, what disability, what denomination, and what minority are you?

      Sure, some that didn't vote for Obama did so for legitimately not liking his policy. Many also did not vote for him because he was black (and some voted for him solely because was). As it's worded (and this may not be BobLogical's intent) I disagree with the statement in the post that his race was a factor for those that didn't vote for him in general.

      While I would say I like Martin Luther King Jr.'s approach of nonviolence, it isn't the only way to get change. In human history many times we've made social progress with a component of violence. The USA itself, is an example of this. I just have a hard time condemning people who are mistreated lashing out when they are repeatedly ignored and marginalized. We, as a people, need to transcend this, but that isn't in our nature. That said, I believe we need to try.

      At the same time, many of BobLogical's comments are just divisive. Blacks and whites are all part of the family and we need both to be healthy, when there are trouble makers, let's look at them as individuals, not as representative of the race (this includes whites, blacks, and everyone else).

      Funny thing about Avatar-verse is that they've all been segregated and that's the traditional way. It's only within the past 100 years that they've really had significant overlap.

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    • Probably EK because I haven't ever seen winter in EK. But I had in respublic city somehow. Despite that, deserts and oasis shows that it's equator lands.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote: Yeah, the US has quite a few bigots and bigotted policies/laws on the books. We have a long way to go. Just because we have a black president doesn't mean that racial tensions and issues immediately dissolved by the time he took office as president.

      Look, someone who gets it. Four for you.

      Weltall8000 wrote: Since you're throwing these specific traits in the discussion, what disability, what denomination, and what minority are you?

      I fail to see how this is relevant, not even with the original post. I'll freely volunteer that I'm white, ace, and trans, but none of that actually should matter here. This isn't about what race or problems people personally face; this is about denying the obvious injustice going on in America right now.

      Weltall8000 wrote: Sure, some that didn't vote for Obama did so for legitimately not liking his policy. Many also did not vote for him because he was black (and some voted for him solely because was). As it's worded (and this may not be BobLogical's intent) I disagree with the statement in the post that his race was a factor for those that didn't vote for him in general.

      We got this whole Tea Party thing that you should probably take a look at. Pretty much a whole group of crusty old white guys who didn't vote for him based on race alone.

      Weltall8000 wrote: While I would say I like Martin Luther King Jr.'s approach of nonviolence, it isn't the only way to get change. In human history many times we've made social progress with a component of violence. The USA itself, is an example of this. I just have a hard time condemning people who are mistreated lashing out when they are repeatedly ignored and marginalized. We, as a people, need to transcend this, but that isn't in our nature. That said, I believe we need to try.

      As a pacifist, I can tell you -straight up, no lie- Dr. King failed. Not only did he make very little change during his life, it took his death for people to actually listen to what he'd been saying that entire time. The flaw people have with the "We Will Persevere" mindset is that the hope is that, when the oppressors see how horribly they're treating these people who won't fight back, they'll see the error of their ways and finally work for change. But oppressors don't have a conscience. It doesn't matter how hard you try to teach them, or show them how much you suffer, or anything like that. They do not care. The very fact lots of these people here see this as a hypothetical debate and not a "Oh my God, ANOTHER black child just got murdered by the cops LAST NIGHT" problem is representative of that.

      Weltall8000 wrote: At the same time, many of BobLogical's comments are just divisive. Blacks and whites are all part of the family and we need both to be healthy, when there are trouble makers, let's look at them as individuals, not as representative of the race (this includes whites, blacks, and everyone else).

      And this is the problem I take with people like the first guy. You all act like, again, this is just some hypothetical issue that is caused by a couple rascals that need to be taught a lesson, but it's not. This is the entire history of the United States of America and Great Britain. This isn't just something you can solve by throwing a few people in jail or brushing them off. This is a system of oppression set up to prop up one race over the other, that is so ingrained in our lives that we have an entire news conglomerate set up to tell you that people like me are just angry whiners who don't know facts and shouldn't be heard.

      This is the Fire Nation trying to rule the world. No, the majority of Fire Nation citizens are perfectly fine people. Plenty of them probably disagree with Ozai and his plan to steamroll everyone else in the world. Plenty of white people don't agree with the fact that about 85% of Congress now will work to dismantle all the good Obama has done in his presidency just to make it seem like the first black president should be the last black president. Saying that doesn't help anything, though. When you acknowledge the, "Not all white people..." mindset, you give them the ability to go, "Oh, then that's okay. Certainly they're not talking about ME!" Then they can comfortably do nothing and continue to think about how great the world is.

      If change is going to happen, it needs to involve all people, especially the people with privilege. And, yes, that's going to mean you're not totally comfortable at all times anymore. It means facing the reality of what your race has done to the world and realizing that, hey, that is really not okay. If I wanted to, I could be one of the do-nothings, since I literally have no connection to the slave trade as far as I can find in my family history. But that isn't how it works in the real world.

      This is Shyu of the Fire Sages working against Ozai's regime directly and without hesitance, even though he knows his life is going to suck for a while because of it. This isn't about making your life better. This is about making the lives of everyone else as good for them as it can be for you. Because, and I may be the actual minority here, I don't think it's right in any way for people to fear walking down the street, let alone fearing the POLICE.

      If we're really all "part of the family", then we need to start acting like it.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote:
      Yeah, the US has quite a few bigots and bigotted policies/laws on the books. We have a long way to go. Just because we have a black president doesn't mean that racial tensions and issues immediately dissolved by the time he took office as president.

      Since you're throwing these specific traits in the discussion, what disability, what denomination, and what minority are you?

      Sure, some that didn't vote for Obama did so for legitimately not liking his policy. Many also did not vote for him because he was black (and some voted for him solely because was). As it's worded (and this may not be BobLogical's intent) I disagree with the statement in the post that his race was a factor for those that didn't vote for him in general.

      While I would say I like Martin Luther King Jr.'s approach of nonviolence, it isn't the only way to get change. In human history many times we've made social progress with a component of violence. The USA itself, is an example of this. I just have a hard time condemning people who are mistreated lashing out when they are repeatedly ignored and marginalized. We, as a people, need to transcend this, but that isn't in our nature. That said, I believe we need to try.

      At the same time, many of BobLogical's comments are just divisive. Blacks and whites are all part of the family and we need both to be healthy, when there are trouble makers, let's look at them as individuals, not as representative of the race (this includes whites, blacks, and everyone else).

      Funny thing about Avatar-verse is that they've all been segregated and that's the traditional way. It's only within the past 100 years that they've really had significant overlap.

      I have asperger's syndrome ( aform of Autism), and am a Mormon. I hear bullcrap and stereotypes about both all the time.

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    • Weltall8000 wrote: Sure, some that didn't vote for Obama did so for legitimately not liking his policy. Many also did not vote for him because he was black (and some voted for him solely because was). As it's worded (and this may not be BobLogical's intent) I disagree with the statement in the post that his race was a factor for those that didn't vote for him in general.

      We got this whole Tea Party thing that you should probably take a look at. Pretty much a whole group of crusty old white guys who didn't vote for him based on race alone.

      Actually, several of their leaders is black, and they went down to help stores that were looted by Ferguson protesters

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/black-tea-party-leaders-a_n_670560.html


      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/27/after-hearing-what-a-tea-party-group-recently-did-in-ferguson-you-likely-wont-be-surprised-that-you-havent-heard-about-it/

      http://dailysignal.com/2014/12/01/how-this-tea-party-hopes-to-help-ferguson-merchants/

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    • There's this other thing I'd like you to look up called "tokenism", and points for citing Glen Beck's website as an actual news source. Really brings this all together.

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    • BobLogical wrote:
      There's this other thing I'd like you to look up called "tokenism", and points for citing Glen Beck's website as an actual news source. Really brings this all together.

      Notice, that was only one of them. There are two for the same point.

      As for you, I'm getting really sick of you and whoever changed the darn subject! This was a fun thread, but because of the direction it has gone, I'm afraid I'n going to have to request it closed. I've seen how these things, go, and I know it will only get worse.

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    • I'm very unsure of what I'm supposed to be sourcing.

      Edit: Oh, that's neat. You changed your post to say you're out of arguments. Whatever makes you happy, as long as it's not disparaging oppressed people.

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    • If the world was a jacket where would the black people live?

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    • BobLogical wrote:
      I'm very unsure of what I'm supposed to be sourcing.

      Edit: Oh, that's neat. You changed your post to say you're out of arguments. Whatever makes you happy, as long as it's not disparaging oppressed people.

      No I didn't. I sourced THREE links, and you ignored all of them. I hate arguing with people who don't even bother pulling up a counter example.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:

      BobLogical wrote:
      I'm very unsure of what I'm supposed to be sourcing.

      Edit: Oh, that's neat. You changed your post to say you're out of arguments. Whatever makes you happy, as long as it's not disparaging oppressed people.

      No I didn't. I sourced THREE links, and you ignored all of them. I hate arguing with people who don't even bother pulling up a counter example.

      And I did...

      Those "black leaders" are the tokens they present to go, "See? Republicans like black people!"

      I've got no doubt they're trying to "help out" (as Fox News decries them as animals and thugs and says all the murders are justified). The Republicans have learned that they can't just overtly call people slurs and work to take away their rights anymore. They have to act like they care about diversity and other people who aren't the rich businessmen funding their campaigns, so they got all these women (also tokens), some of which are of Color, elected in the last race to buy in the know-nothing hokey liberals, when they haven't changed their platform or behavior in even the slightest. It's all a sham.

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    • Get it back to the original topic, please. This isn't meant to be a political discussion.

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    • PSUAvatar14 wrote:
      Get it back to the original topic, please. This isn't meant to be a political discussion.

      Thank You.

      So.....black people in Avatar.

      Maybe there are countries outside of those represented in Avatar that haven't been discovered? That would be cool.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PSUAvatar14 wrote:
      Get it back to the original topic, please. This isn't meant to be a political discussion.
      Thank You.

      So.....black people in Avatar.

      Maybe there are countries outside of those represented in Avatar that haven't been discovered? That would be cool.

      That would be pretty cool. I do think that they'd still probably be Earthbenders though :) The sandbenders have a very Arab/African vibe to them. 

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    • It's not about what 'race' they resemble most. Literally, the only difference between skin tone comes from where your ancestors evolved. If you lived closer to the equator (so, those in Africa, Australia, the Pacific Islands) you naturally developed a greater amount of melatonin to protect you. If you lived closer to the poles (Europe, Asia, and North America) you needed paler skin in oder to soak up enough vitamin D.

      So, it's really a geographical thing. The Fire Nation and probably central-south Earth Kingdom would have darker skin.

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    • If the fire nation is on the equater why are their so many pale people? Wierd

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    • FirelordxMako wrote:
      If the fire nation is on the equater why are their so many pale people? Wierd


      They aren't, as far as I know.

      Then again, where is the equater in the Avatar world?

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    • FirelordxMako wrote:
      If the fire nation is on the equater why are their so many pale people? Wierd

      Remember that the Water Tribes are pretty dark skinned for being in a cold, northernly/southernly area with little sunlight compared to other places. How can that be? Most likely because the tribes were not always were they are in the current shows. Most likely historical events forced people to live in different areas at different times. Remember the lion turtles too.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      FirelordxMako wrote:
      If the fire nation is on the equater why are their so many pale people? Wierd
      Remember that the Water Tribes are pretty dark skinned for being in a cold, northernly/southernly area with little sunlight compared to other places. How can that be? Most likely because the tribes were not always were they are in the current shows. Most likely historical events forced people to live in different areas at different times. Remember the lion turtles too.


      Also, them being based on Inuit tribes

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    • True dat, but I always wanted to see that water bending lion turtle.

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    • Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PSUAvatar14 wrote:
      Get it back to the original topic, please. This isn't meant to be a political discussion.
      Thank You.

      So.....black people in Avatar.

      Maybe there are countries outside of those represented in Avatar that haven't been discovered? That would be cool.

      That would be pretty cool. I do think that they'd still probably be Earthbenders though :) The sandbenders have a very Arab/African vibe to them. 

      I was thinking of setting up a bunch of western versions of the nations. Also, I was just about to say that black is not a race, it's a skin coor so it depends if you mean idividual black races or which places are hot enough. There are some places with the right climae and eastern avatar to have dark-skinned people. Anyways, western fire nation would be part myan,egyptian, and kush empires. I'm a bit too lazy to create the fannon right now though.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PSUAvatar14 wrote:
      Get it back to the original topic, please. This isn't meant to be a political discussion.
      Thank You.
      So.....black people in Avatar.

      Maybe there are countries outside of those represented in Avatar that haven't been discovered? That would be cool.

      That would be pretty cool. I do think that they'd still probably be Earthbenders though :) The sandbenders have a very Arab/African vibe to them. 
      I was thinking of setting up a bunch of western versions of the nations. Also, I was just about to say that black is not a race, it's a skin coor so it depends if you mean idividual black races or which places are hot enough. There are some places with the right climae and eastern avatar to have dark-skinned people. Anyways, western fire nation would be part myan,egyptian, and kush empires. I'm a bit too lazy to create the fannon right now though.

      Yeah, some people count the Indian Guru guy as black

      Which further makes me believe that there are undiscovered nations in the Avatar World, because he's the only Indian guy we see in the show

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      MysticNerd wrote:
      Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PSUAvatar14 wrote:
      Get it back to the original topic, please. This isn't meant to be a political discussion.
      Thank You.
      So.....black people in Avatar.

      Maybe there are countries outside of those represented in Avatar that haven't been discovered? That would be cool.

      That would be pretty cool. I do think that they'd still probably be Earthbenders though :) The sandbenders have a very Arab/African vibe to them. 
      I was thinking of setting up a bunch of western versions of the nations. Also, I was just about to say that black is not a race, it's a skin coor so it depends if you mean idividual black races or which places are hot enough. There are some places with the right climae and eastern avatar to have dark-skinned people. Anyways, western fire nation would be part myan,egyptian, and kush empires. I'm a bit too lazy to create the fannon right now though.
      Yeah, some people count the Indian Guru guy as black

      Which further makes me believe that there are undiscovered nations in the Avatar World, because he's the only Indian guy we see in the show.

      I'm pretty sure india is part of the air nation. And maby/probably the fire nation for the organized systems of respect and spicy food and meat. It's a little complicated, since the air nation is well, nomadic, and they are based off of a religous group, and indian would be the eastern religous group and the other culture too, so... complicated. Hard work for the writers. But I also agree that there may be other nations, not other elements, though, becauseit is way too complicated to think about other elements, unless it's sub-bending (i've thought of a witch-like form of water bending in the western nations.). Same things as I've said about the western nations I've though of earlier. Also, I think black people would just be the equivalent to our black people. Some places like the dessert (those dessert benders/beetle people could be arabs) or real hot jungle have dark skinned people, tropical people too, indians, and north pole has eskimos.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      MysticNerd wrote:
      Zuko0sHon0r wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PSUAvatar14 wrote:
      Get it back to the original topic, please. This isn't meant to be a political discussion.
      Thank You.
      So.....black people in Avatar.

      Maybe there are countries outside of those represented in Avatar that haven't been discovered? That would be cool.

      That would be pretty cool. I do think that they'd still probably be Earthbenders though :) The sandbenders have a very Arab/African vibe to them. 
      I was thinking of setting up a bunch of western versions of the nations. Also, I was just about to say that black is not a race, it's a skin coor so it depends if you mean idividual black races or which places are hot enough. There are some places with the right climae and eastern avatar to have dark-skinned people. Anyways, western fire nation would be part myan,egyptian, and kush empires. I'm a bit too lazy to create the fannon right now though.
      Yeah, some people count the Indian Guru guy as black

      Which further makes me believe that there are undiscovered nations in the Avatar World, because he's the only Indian guy we see in the show.

      I'm pretty sure india is part of the air nation. And maby/probably the fire nation for the organized systems of respect and spicy food and meat. It's a little complicated, since the air nation is well, nomadic, and they are based off of a religous group, and indian would be the eastern religous group and the other culture too, so... complicated. Hard work for the writers. But I also agree that there may be other nations, not other elements, though, becauseit is way too complicated to think about other elements, unless it's sub-bending (i've thought of a witch-like form of water bending in the western nations.). Same things as I've said about the western nations I've though of earlier. Also, I think black people would just be the equivalent to our black people. Some places like the dessert (those dessert benders/beetle people could be arabs) or real hot jungle have dark skinned people, tropical people too, indians, and north pole has eskimos.


      I agree that the Guru would fir into the Air Nomad culture, and thus it would make sense to have Airbenders that looked Indian, but unfortunately, it was never expanded upon. I think that would have been a better way for Legend of Korra to reintroduce airbenders.

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    • they would most likely be slaves or something

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    • Lustful Lao wrote:
      they would most likely be slaves or something


      Dude...NO. We already had a bad argument. Besides, despite what many people think, Black people were not the only race to ever be slaves. Heck, slavery originally had nothing to do with race.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Lustful Lao wrote:
      they would most likely be slaves or something

      Dude...NO. We already had a bad argument. Besides, despite what many people think, Black people were not the only race to ever be slaves. Heck, slavery originally had nothing to do with race.

      I know that, but if we are going based off real life, they would have been. I'm not being a asshole, I'm saying the truth.

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    • Lustful Lao wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Lustful Lao wrote:
      they would most likely be slaves or something

      Dude...NO. We already had a bad argument. Besides, despite what many people think, Black people were not the only race to ever be slaves. Heck, slavery originally had nothing to do with race.
      I know that, but if we are going based off real life, they would have been. I'm not being a asshole, I'm saying the truth.


      No, they ouldn't. The Avatar world is mostly based on Asia, and while Asia had slaves, they didn't do the "Black people are slaves" thing.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Lustful Lao wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Lustful Lao wrote:
      they would most likely be slaves or something

      Dude...NO. We already had a bad argument. Besides, despite what many people think, Black people were not the only race to ever be slaves. Heck, slavery originally had nothing to do with race.
      I know that, but if we are going based off real life, they would have been. I'm not being a asshole, I'm saying the truth.

      No, they ouldn't. The Avatar world is mostly based on Asia, and while Asia had slaves, they didn't do the "Black people are slaves" thing.

      http://library.uoregon.edu/ec/e-asia/read/tangslave-3.pdf

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    • Slaves are a touchy subject and I approve of the elimination of them. I'd rather focus on things like forced labor, work camps, or racial purges that were brought up and somehow ignored for the remainder of the book.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Slaves are a touchy subject and I approve of the elimination of them. I'd rather focus on things like forced labor, work camps, or racial purges that were brought up and somehow ignored for the remainder of the book.

      So ethnic cleansing is OK, but slavery is not, double standred aren't we?

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    • I'd say the people in avatar are technically not white or Asian or anything else in the real world.

      they don't have real ethnicities because it is in a separate fictional world.

      their ethnicities are water tribe, earth kingdom, fire nation, or air nomad. with the possibility of some minor ones.

      now they might be SIMILAR to some real ones. and in live action should be portrayed by the people from the cultures they are based on, otherwise it looks kind of silly (like in the movie).

      and think about it. I've never seen a brown skinned person with light brown hair and blue eyes. and that's how most of the water tribe is. they are most similar to native americans but, pure native americans have jet black hair, and I've never heard of one with blue eyes.

      there is also racism within avatar. many fire nation people are racist against everyone else. and sokka actually says tons of racist things against the fire nation people. it only got passed the censors because they are fictional races.

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      I'd say the people in avatar are technically not white or Asian or anything else in the real world.

      they don't have real ethnicities because it is in a separate fictional world.

      their ethnicities are water tribe, earth kingdom, fire nation, or air nomad. with the possibility of some minor ones.

      now they might be SIMILAR to some real ones. and in live action should be portrayed by the people from the cultures they are based on, otherwise it looks kind of silly (like in the movie).

      and think about it. I've never seen a brown skinned person with light brown hair and blue eyes. and that's how most of the water tribe is. they are most similar to native americans but, pure native americans have jet black hair, and I've never heard of one with blue eyes.

      there is also racism within avatar. many fire nation people are racist against everyone else. and sokka actually says tons of racist things against the fire nation people. it only got passed the censors because they are fictional races.

      You are right, about the racism. they were trying to point out racism in the avatar world in the comic "The Promise" and racial politics and stuff. They even have racist names.

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      in live action should be portrayed by the people from the cultures they are based on, otherwise it looks kind of silly (like in the movie).

      It may be "silly" but it's not racist. OTOH, requiring actors to be of the same race portrayed by the cultures they are based on is inherently racist and illegal.[1]

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      in live action should be portrayed by the people from the cultures they are based on, otherwise it looks kind of silly (like in the movie).
      It may be "silly" but it's not racist. OTOH, requiring actors to be of the same race portrayed by the cultures they are based on is inherently racist and illegal.[1]


      That's a good point, and explains a lot of casting choices

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    • Hasdi wrote:

      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      in live action should be portrayed by the people from the cultures they are based on, otherwise it looks kind of silly (like in the movie).

      It may be "silly" but it's not racist. OTOH, requiring actors to be of the same race portrayed by the cultures they are based on is inherently racist and illegal.[1]

      I don't see how that is racist. If I required black people to be the cast in a movie I made about a fictional African tribe that takes place 1,000 years ago......is that racist?

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:

      Hasdi wrote:
      Requiring actors to be of the same race portrayed by the cultures they are based on is inherently racist and illegal.[1]

      I don't see how that is racist. If I required black people to be the cast in a movie I made about a fictional African tribe that takes place 1,000 years ago......is that racist?

      Yes. Read the link again. A legal precedent has been set by an American judge:

      "A film director casting a movie about African-American slaves may not exclude Caucasians from the auditions, but the director may limit certain roles to persons having the physical characteristics of African-Americans. Indeed, the drafters of Title VII expressly anticipated this issue. In their interpretative memorandum, Senators Case and Clark explained that '[a]lthough there is no exemption in Title VII for occupations in which race might be deemed a bona fide job qualification, a director of a play or movie who wished to cast an actor in the role of a Negro, could specify that he wished to hire someone with the physical appearance of a Negro.'110 Cong. Rec. 7213, 7217 (1964) (emphasis added). See also Miller, 615 F.2d at 654 (suggesting that a director wishing to cast the role of Henry VIII may announce that only applicants of sufficient physical likeness to Henry VIII will be considered). As applied here, TPG could have legally assigned jobs based on accent, speech pattern or dialect, but not expressly on race. Although the statutory language allows gender to be a valid BFOQ for hiring an actor or actress where it is necessary for the 'purpose of authenticity or genuineness,' see 29 C.F.R. 1604.2(a)(2), Congress specifically rejected race as a BFOQ."
      — Ferrill v. Parker Group (11th Cir. 1999) no. 97-7013
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    • oh sorry, didn't see the link.

      but, the law doesn't make something racist or not. I don't see how it is racist.

      no body is going to press charges of racism if there is no white guy in a movie.

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    • Does it make it "racist?" No. Does it make it "illegal?" Yes.

      Well, we live in a litigious society, sooooooooo, you could absolutely see it before a judge.

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      I don't see how it is racist. no body is going to press charges of racism if there is no white guy in a movie.
      Okay, fine, let's play a little game. ... How about George Clooney play Obama and Kate Hudson play Michelle (My Belle) Obama? How would that do?

      Nope. That wasn't someone arguing against the "racist" casting of The Last Airbender movie. That was Rush Limbaugh arguing that James Bond should always be played by a white guy in a James Bond movie, not a black guy like Idris Elba.[1] What an a-hole. Eusa_snooty.gif

      The law is a double-edged sword. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. Read the full text of Ferrill v. Parker Group that I cited earlier. The court case is not even about putting a white guy in a live-action movie about blacks, but a company (TPG) requiring black voice actors to play black roles and white voice actors to play white roles. Ms Ferrill is a black woman who was fired because TPG cut back on black roles and a black like Ferrill cannot possibly be reassigned to play white roles. She charges that her hiring was based on a racial stereotype that "blacks would respond to blacks" hence the premise that her race was "directly related to her ability to do the job." The reverse is also true, which is why the "Asian" and PoC roles in ATLA/TLoK are most voiced by (gasp!) white people. http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/45.gif

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    • I'm going to ignore the whole racism thing above me because it's going to make me really upset...

      This question doesn't really make sense, though, does it? Unless you are saying "Black" in sense of 'dark-skinned people'. Black people (referring to people of African descent) and Caucasians don't exist because they're referring to peoples from places that don't actually exist in the Avatar world.

      Five-Seven-Five Society

      like the poetry slam girls (can't remember the name)

      But if it's just their skin color you're referring to, probably Earth Kingdom or Water Tribe. I want to say more likely Earth Kingdom because Water Tribe browns don't really vary too much, but Earth Kingdom has a huge spectrum of tan people and brown people -- not all "Black" people are literally black or dark-brown!

      I'm Black and I have family that actually moreso resembles Suyin's kids like Wei, Wing, and Bataar Jr. (the darkest of my immediate family looks like Korra's family), if that helps explain how diverse it can really be. 

      And as far as a literal build meant to resemble a Black person, probably still Earth Kingdom would be the best bet.

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    • Hasdi wrote:

      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      I don't see how it is racist. no body is going to press charges of racism if there is no white guy in a movie.
      Okay, fine, let's play a little game. ... How about George Clooney play Obama and Kate Hudson play Michelle (My Belle) Obama? How would that do?

      Nope. That wasn't someone arguing against the "racist" casting of The Last Airbender movie. That was Rush Limbaugh arguing that James Bond should always be played by a white guy in a James Bond movie, not a black guy like Idris Elba.[1] What an a-hole. Eusa_snooty.gif

      The law is a double-edged sword. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. Read the full text of Ferrill v. Parker Group that I cited earlier. The court case is not even about putting a white guy in a live-action movie about blacks, but a company (TPG) requiring black voice actors to play black roles and white voice actors to play white roles. Ms Ferrill is a black woman who was fired because TPG cut back on black roles and a black like Ferrill cannot possibly be reassigned to play white roles. She charges that her hiring was based on a racial stereotype that "blacks would respond to blacks" hence the premise that her race was "directly related to her ability to do the job." The reverse is also true, which is why the "Asian" and PoC roles in ATLA/TLoK are most voiced by (gasp!) white people. http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/45.gif

      I'm not arguing about the law. I just saying what I think something SHOULD be. I just think it is stupid when the actors appear to be of the wrong race. I don't care if they even are the wrong race if they LOOK like what they should be portraying. I saw a movie where an Italian guy played an Arabic guy. That's fine, he was a very dark skinned Italian who could pass as an Arab for movie purposes.

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    • Reimeille wrote:
      This question doesn't really make sense, though, does it? Unless you are saying "Black" in sense of 'dark-skinned people'. Black people (referring to people of African descent) and Caucasians don't exist because they're referring to peoples from places that don't actually exist in the Avatar world.

      Historically, blacks refer to African descent and whites refer to European descent. In America, people usually tell blacks and whites apart by their skin color and still get it wrong. In other parts of the world like South East Asia, the skin color of the same race can range from European-light to African-dark so the people over there have to rely on other facial cues. Case in point, the guy on the right is black but the guy on the left is Asian.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B13dvt1IYAAUOyT.jpg
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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      I'm not arguing about the law. I just saying what I think something SHOULD be. I just think it is stupid when the actors appear to be of the wrong race. I don't care if they even are the wrong race if they LOOK like what they should be portraying.

      Ah... the law DOES say you can ask the actors to "LOOK like what they should be portraying" and/or LOOK like a specific race, just not require them to ACTUALLY be of that race. For example, Noah Ringer was chosen because he "looks mixed" AND looks like Aang. The director can't ask him if he is really mixed Asian or require him to be one. Noah only revealed his American Indian heritage after the movie has been released. Seychelle Gabriel was chosen as Princess Yue and looks just like her, but she is a dark-skinned Hispanic not an Inuk. Despite what most fans think, Inuit are not dark-skinned like in the show (or have blue eyes for that matter).

      http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu196/mastuhpyve/NoahRinger01.png

      I suppose you want to me explain to you why the other actors don't look like characters, right? I suggest you start here.

      I saw a movie where an Italian guy played an Arabic guy. That's fine, he was a very dark skinned Italian who could pass as an Arab for movie purposes.

      Are you talking about the Rosewater movie? Well, maybe that "Italian" can pass as an Iranian to you, but not to others like this lady. I find that most white Americans can't tell dark-skinned people apart. Heck, many fans complained that M.Night cast *everyone* in the Fire Nation with "Indians" but there were only four Indians that I can see: Zuko, Zhao, one of the fire nation prison guard, and Azula at the end. Most of the "Indians" were cast with Hispanics because our immigration and labor laws prohibit hiring from Bollywood and other foreign countries at will.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Reimeille wrote:
      This question doesn't really make sense, though, does it? Unless you are saying "Black" in sense of 'dark-skinned people'. Black people (referring to people of African descent) and Caucasians don't exist because they're referring to peoples from places that don't actually exist in the Avatar world.
      Historically, blacks refer to African descent and whites refer to European descent. In America, people usually tell blacks and whites apart by their skin color and still get it wrong. In other parts of the world like South East Asia, the skin color of the same race can range from European-light to African-dark so the people over there have to rely on other facial cues. Case in point, the guy on the right is black but the guy on the left is Asian.
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B13dvt1IYAAUOyT.jpg

      As an African-American with really light skin, yes I know that people classify it wrong (people seem to think I am from Mexico instead). I was just wondering in which sense that the person was looking for. I was wondering if they're one of the people who thinks of the term "Black" as only 'dark-skinned', or as 'the literal build and color of an African'.

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    • Obamas of mixed race though hes not fully black

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    • Thebridge14 wrote:
      Obamas of mixed race though hes not fully black


      That is true. His Grandmother is white, which they mentioned several times during his first campaign. We haven't heard about her since then.

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    • Obama's mother (who passed away in Nov 1995) was white, not just his maternal grandparents. Obama's father is black. Technically, he would be mixed race but overall, he looks black. He also has an Asian sister. Mind-blowing, right? Icon_wtf.gif

      https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2858/12329386915_e81970edf9.jpg

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Obama's mother (who passed away in Nov 1995) was white, not just his maternal grandparents. Obama's father is black. Technically, he would be mixed race but overall, he looks black. He also has an Asian sister. Mind-blowing, right? Icon_wtf.gif

      https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2858/12329386915_e81970edf9.jpg


      Yet he never talks about any of them.

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    • ^ Oh... he DOES talk about them,[1] It's just that our mainstream media got tired covering them non-stop after he became president. Ever now and then we get some loons trying to prove that he is not really American-borne or that he is a secret Muslim jihadist or something. Admittedly, having an American President of multi-racial background helps to cut back on anti-American sentiment around the world than most people realize.

      https://cyberaxis.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/obama-grandma.jpg

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    • Remember that embarrassing Photoshop where they tried to take him out of the picture, but left his entire leg in there randomly?

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    • BobLogical wrote:
      Remember that embarrassing Photoshop where they tried to take him out of the picture, but left his entire leg in there randomly?


      Somehow, I feel like you're just spouting bullcrap...especially after that argument earlier where you're only evidence was making fun of me for providing evidence

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    • Well I'll be darned... Did they do that, or did someone else do that and then try to pin it on them?

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Did they do that, or did someone else do that and then try to pin it on them?

      Somebody else did that. Jack Cashil, a critic of Obama, then tried to pin it on them.

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    • Johny316 wrote:
      snip


      Omg. OK this must be a huge joke that is not even funny.

      ALL characters in ATLA and LOK are Asians.

      Don't bring your white supremacy idea over here because it feels so disrespectful towards the series. 

      I'm sure you are saying that they are white because they have golden eyes. Just because the characters have bright colors as their eye color, that doesn't mean they are not Asian. If anything, that is just some worldbuilding...green for earthbenders and blue for waterbenders...you know it's a little fun.

      And geez, Japanese are known for their pale skin...I've never seen a Japanese shown as brown in the media (sure they must have some over their country but generally they are as white as you can get) <.<

      but NO, they are NOT WHITE.

      • Also airbenders in Wan's time had several different skin colors, including black and brown.
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    • Klainatta wrote:
      Johny316 wrote:
      snip

      Omg. OK this must be a huge joke that is not even funny.

      ALL characters in ATLA and LOK are Asians.

      Don't bring your white supremacy idea over here because it feels so disrespectful towards the series. 

      I'm sure you are saying that they are white because they have golden eyes. Just because the characters have bright colors as their eye color, that doesn't mean they are not Asian. If anything, that is just some worldbuilding...green for earthbenders and blue for waterbenders...you know it's a little fun.

      And geez, Japanese are known for their pale skin...I've never seen a Japanese shown as brown in the media (sure they must have some over their country but generally they are as white as you can get) <.<

      but NO, they are NOT WHITE.

      • Also airbenders in Wan's time had several different skin colors, including black and brown.


      FINALLY!!! SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT A JAPANESE PERSON LOOKS LIKE!!! Seriously, every single Japanese person I know is paler than me, and I'm freaking pale.

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    • Klainatta wrote:
      Johny316 wrote:
      snip

      Omg. OK this must be a huge joke that is not even funny.

      ALL characters in ATLA and LOK are Asians.

      Don't bring your white supremacy idea over here because it feels so disrespectful towards the series. 

      I'm sure you are saying that they are white because they have golden eyes. Just because the characters have bright colors as their eye color, that doesn't mean they are not Asian. If anything, that is just some worldbuilding...green for earthbenders and blue for waterbenders...you know it's a little fun.

      And geez, Japanese are known for their pale skin...I've never seen a Japanese shown as brown in the media (sure they must have some over their country but generally they are as white as you can get) <.<

      but NO, they are NOT WHITE.

      • Also airbenders in Wan's time had several different skin colors, including black and brown.

      > Implying Asia exists in the Avatar universe.

      Sometimes I think people need to accept it for what it is and realise that this world is entirely fictional.

      Also no you really need to go to Japan. There are as many darker ones as they are lighter ones. You only see the light ones in foreign media for the same reason you mostly see whites in media. It's more "attractive" and "desirable", and society is forcibly trying to make it 'normal'. Not to mention alot of young Japanese use alot of products to lighten their skin for fashion (mainly girls); their skin often isn't normally isn't that way. Especially Japanese from the countrysides because they don't use those products and also because they are outside alot more.

      I've been to Japan and trust me, it'll really shatter that notion that "everyone is pale".

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    • All the guy was asking was where he though Black people would be if they were in this universe. The answer was for the most part "Earth Kingdom" (and some "Water Tribe"). That's all we need; discuss that, or nothing at all. This discussion on race can become really offensive and considering it's off-topic anyways, maybe we should stop.

      The series is meant to unite people and present ideals bigger than ourselves, remember? Equality, tolerance, and respect; not just to spirits but amongst each other. "Different groups of people must learn to live together."

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    • Reimeille wrote:
      Klainatta wrote:
      Johny316 wrote:
      snip

      Omg. OK this must be a huge joke that is not even funny.

      ALL characters in ATLA and LOK are Asians.

      Don't bring your white supremacy idea over here because it feels so disrespectful towards the series. 

      I'm sure you are saying that they are white because they have golden eyes. Just because the characters have bright colors as their eye color, that doesn't mean they are not Asian. If anything, that is just some worldbuilding...green for earthbenders and blue for waterbenders...you know it's a little fun.

      And geez, Japanese are known for their pale skin...I've never seen a Japanese shown as brown in the media (sure they must have some over their country but generally they are as white as you can get) <.<

      but NO, they are NOT WHITE.

      • Also airbenders in Wan's time had several different skin colors, including black and brown.
      > Implying Asia exists in the Avatar universe.

      Sometimes I think people need to accept it for what it is and realise that this world is entirely fictional.

      Also no you really need to go to Japan. There are as many darker ones as they are lighter ones. You only see the light ones in foreign media for the same reason you mostly see whites in media. It's more "attractive" and "desirable", and society is forcibly trying to make it 'normal'. Not to mention alot of young Japanese use alot of products to lighten their skin for fashion (mainly girls); their skin often isn't normally isn't that way. Especially Japanese from the countrysides because they don't use those products and also because they are outside alot more.

      I've been to Japan and trust me, it'll really shatter that notion that "everyone is pale".

      What about Ganguro girls?

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    • Ganguro girls intentionally tans themselves, though, so it's not natural. I'd imagine that in the Avatar universe that tanning to that extent either doesn't exist or is very new.

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    • Reimeille wrote:
      Ganguro girls intentionally tans themselves, though, so it's not natural. I'd imagine that in the Avatar universe that tanning to that extent either doesn't exist or is very new.

      I know!
      I was saying in response to the other person saying that pale is more desirable in Japan.

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    • Ganguro is so 1990. Bihaku has since taken over, with its skin whitening products. Get with the times, mon.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Ganguro is so 1990. Bihaku has since taken over, with its skin whitening products. Get with the times, mon.


      But things aren't really that.....

      Iroh: Don't say it......they'll kill you for that pun.....

      ....BLACK AND WHITE

      Da dum tsh

      Iroh: (Sigh) -_-'


      Seriously, though, the 90's isn't that long ago, and a lot of old trends are still around today and/or coming back

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      Ganguru is so 1990. Bihaku has since taken over, with its skin whitening products. Get with the times, mon.

      "ganguru" ???? what u doing

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    • ^ Sorry. I meant Ganguro. Damn you spellcheckers! xP

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Hasdi wrote:
      Ganguro is so 1990. Bihaku has since taken over, with its skin whitening products. Get with the times, mon.

      But things aren't really that.....

      Iroh: Don't say it......they'll kill you for that pun.....

      ....BLACK AND WHITE

      Da dum tsh

      Iroh: (Sigh) -_-'


      Seriously, though, the 90's isn't that long ago, and a lot of old trends are still around today and/or coming back

      Iroh would love that pun. I think he likes puns like me.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Hasdi wrote:
      Ganguro is so 1990. Bihaku has since taken over, with its skin whitening products. Get with the times, mon.

      But things aren't really that.....

      Iroh: Don't say it......they'll kill you for that pun.....

      ....BLACK AND WHITE

      Da dum tsh

      Iroh: (Sigh) -_-'


      Seriously, though, the 90's isn't that long ago, and a lot of old trends are still around today and/or coming back

      Iroh would love that pun. I think he likes puns like me.


      I was waiting for someone to acknowledge that pun

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    • I love puns!

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    • About eye shape and "Western features".

      Jeong Jeong wanted poster

      Not particularily Caucasoid, eh?

      Remember that AtLA's artstyle is very stylised, as is that of most Western and Eastern cartoons. Ergo, many characters, especially the younger ones have rather large eyes, much like, say, Snow White (can you seriously imagine a real-life woman, of any race or ethnicity, with eyes of that size?) or Sailor Moon. That does not mean they are not supposed to look like Mongoloids, especially since the more realistically-drawn/adult characters (Mai, Azula, Ozai, Jeong Jeong) have slanted eyes, which is especially obvious on non-stylised paintings, and even characters like Aang have eye shape that suggests epicanthic eyefolds.

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    • TheImperios wrote:
      on non-stylised paintings, and even characters like Aang have eye shape that suggests epicanthic eyefolds.
      Wanted poster of Aang

      Looks Caucasoid, no?

      Uhm, really?

      How about Pu-on Tim, who was modeled after a writer of the Ember Island Players episode, Tim Hedrick?

      Tim Hedrick
      Pu-on Tim

      But you know, if I stare at their pics long enough, I can almost see their epicanthic eyefolds... Icon_eek_std.gif

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    • Kids would be pretty confused if Aang's eyes looked completely different on the poster.

      Also, not everyone in asian art was depicted as having thin eyes

      I always thought he looked a little like Sun Wukong (except...human. And not okay with killing.)

      Monk Gyatso
      Also, the older Airbenders, such as Gyatso did have narrower eyes.

      Almost all the kids in the show have larger eyes, while many of the adults have smaller eyes.

      This is because traditionally in artwork and animation, children are portrayed as having larger eyes compared to adults.

      Large eyes are associated with innocence.

      Narrower eyes are assoiciated with being older (think old people with squinty eyes), or being less innocent.

      Think of all that Zuko went through. He wouldn't exactly look the part if he had large eyes with lots of little eye shines in them.

      Also, Azula and Ty Lee are about the same age, but Ty Lee is innocent and friendly, and thus has larger eyes than Azula, who is manipulative and..many times...cruel.

      Young Azula
      But notice, when Azula was still a child, even her eyes were drawn wide
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    • ^I agree. young people have bigger eyes in this animation.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      the older Airbenders, such as Gyatso did have narrower eyes. Almost all the kids in the show have larger eyes, while many of the adults have smaller eyes. This is because traditionally in artwork and animation, children are portrayed as having larger eyes compared to adults.
      Elderly Aang
      Does this mean elder Aang is supposed to look more... Asian? Icon_wtf.gif
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    • If we're talking African descent, I think they'd fit well as sandbenders or even plantbenders depending on which region/climate and ethnicity of Africa we're basing the groups off of.

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      the older Airbenders, such as Gyatso did have narrower eyes. Almost all the kids in the show have larger eyes, while many of the adults have smaller eyes. This is because traditionally in artwork and animation, children are portrayed as having larger eyes compared to adults.
      Elderly Aang
      Does this mean elder Aang is supposed to look more... Asian? Icon_wtf.gif


      It's a bit hard to tell in that picture, since, like I mentioned earlier, older people are given narrower eyes.

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    • Hey! Why was the image of Zuko with huge eyes removed?!? I was using that to make a point!!!!

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    • Hasdi wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      the older Airbenders, such as Gyatso did have narrower eyes. Almost all the kids in the show have larger eyes, while many of the adults have smaller eyes. This is because traditionally in artwork and animation, children are portrayed as having larger eyes compared to adults.
      Elderly Aang
      Does this mean elder Aang is supposed to look more... Asian? Icon_wtf.gif

      Just because the show has asian elements does not mean every character is asian. He is an old white guy, look how white he is. He looks white, he wouldn't look asian in real life, he would look white. Zuko wouldn't look asian, he would look white. Azula wouldn't look asian, she would look white. Katara and Sokka wouldn't look asian, they would be dark, but not asian! Most of the characters in the show don't look asia, but the ones that do...ARE. So to conclude. If they don't look asian, it means they aren't. If they do, they obviously are.

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    • they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      They have white skin, and some have dark skin, that cannot be denied. And to everyone else asking about black people. If there are light skinned people and dark skinned people, there are most likely black skinned people.

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    • Johny316 wrote:
      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      They have white skin, and some have dark skin, that cannot be denied. And to everyone else asking about black people. If there are light skinned people and dark skinned people, there are most likely black skinned people.

      (Smart alec levels rising)

      Well, technically they would be brown...Maybe caramel colored, or deep mocha...

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Johny316 wrote:
      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      They have white skin, and some have dark skin, that cannot be denied. And to everyone else asking about black people. If there are light skinned people and dark skinned people, there are most likely black skinned people.
      (Smart alec levels rising)

      Well, technically they would be brown...Maybe caramel colored, or deep mocha...

      If you have ever seen a real african from deep africa. They are literally black.

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    • Johny316 wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Johny316 wrote:
      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      They have white skin, and some have dark skin, that cannot be denied. And to everyone else asking about black people. If there are light skinned people and dark skinned people, there are most likely black skinned people.
      (Smart alec levels rising)

      Well, technically they would be brown...Maybe caramel colored, or deep mocha...

      If you have ever seen a real african from deep africa. They are literally black.

      I know, I have met a couple. I was just being a smart-alec.

      In middle school, everyone treated "black" like the n-word, so I kind of joked about it.

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    • I'm white, my cousin is black. Middle schoolers are stupid. Haha. It's just a color. Nothing big.

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    • Johny316 wrote: They have white skin, and some have dark skin, that cannot be denied. And to everyone else asking about black people. If there are light skinned people and dark skinned people, there are most likely black skinned people.

      so what? I don't care what they are. They aren't any race that is real. they are not from our world.

      Take the average water tribe person. Brown Tan skin, Blue Eyes, and Brown Hair. That combination does not exist in a "pure bred" person in real life. you say they are like inuits? inuits have jet black hair. not brown like katara or sokka etc.

      they are fictional races.

      however. if we were to portray them in live action. most of them should be Asian because all the cultures are Asian based. so it would look very silly otherwise.

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:

      Johny316 wrote: They have white skin, and some have dark skin, that cannot be denied. And to everyone else asking about black people. If there are light skinned people and dark skinned people, there are most likely black skinned people.

      so what? I don't care what they are. They aren't any race that is real. they are not from our world.

      Take the average water tribe person. Brown Tan skin, Blue Eyes, and Brown Hair. That combination does not exist in a "pure bred" person in real life. you say they are like inuits? inuits have jet black hair. not brown like katara or sokka etc.

      they are fictional races.

      however. if we were to portray them in live action. most of them should be Asian because all the cultures are Asian based. so it would look very silly otherwise.

      (Cough) DANGITLASTAIRBENDERMOVIE

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      so what? I don't care what they are. They aren't any race that is real. they are not from our world. ... however. if we were to portray them in live action. most of them should be Asian because all the cultures are Asian based. so it would look very silly otherwise.

      And THAT my friends, is what the racebending backlash with The Last Airbender movie is all about. It's not about "equal opportunity" or about "colorism". It doesn't matter if some ATLA characters are modeled after non-Asian people, including a white guy Mike DiMartino for Aang.[1] Essentially, Asian culture is for Asian people only. White people should stick with white people s**t. They even came up a BS term for this: "cultural appropriation". Not even a black guy for Monk Gyatso. Not even a Hispanic Seychelle Gabriel for Princess Yue. Zuko should be Japanese not Indian, because some Chinese are too racist proud to accept that Indians ARE Asians, and because Japan whooped China in the last century during WW2 http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/45.gif

      Ironically, people opposed of this narrow-minded view of "cultural appropriation" (including myself) are accused of being racists. Yet, some of these accusers have shown more hate and intolerance against the movie and its fans than a white supremacist rally of the KKK. If this is their idea of social justice, they can take their view on "equality" and shove it up their ass. >.<

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    • Most of the characters in the show are white. And they should be left as white for any future live action adaptions. Don't change their color just to suit "equality" if the show says they are this color, leave them that color, it wont be racist! There are white people, tan people, yellow people, heck, there is even a really dark skinned Indian guy in the show! They don't need to be changed just to make a movie adaption "racially fair" That is stupid. Stick to the show, there are no need for big changes. 

      I am a racist. I am so racist it is ridiculous. I am the most racist white guy you will ever meet! My black cousin and I are the most racist people you will ever come across. WE HATE THE IDEA OF RACE. There is really no such thing. In fact, all skin colors most likely came from one dark skin color, and then as people separated into different groups, certian genes got weeded out and the colors we see today came into existence. So the whole idea of being "fair" to other races by casting a "racially fair" cast is stupid!

      I am Amon and even I approve this message against "equality"

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      I'm tired of people saying black is a race. It is not a race, it is a skin color.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      I'm tired of people saying black is a race. It is not a race, it is a skin color.

      Amon Approves this message.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:

      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      I'm tired of people saying black is a race. It is not a race, it is a skin color.

      ....where did I say that?

      and "black" is just slang for the African Race (in the USA). in Australia it is slang for the Aboriginese (a different race).

      but, yeah. several different races have black skin.

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    • Hasdi wrote: And THAT my friends, is what the racebending backlash with The Last Airbender movie is all about. It's not about "equal opportunity" or about "colorism". It doesn't matter if some ATLA characters are modeled after non-Asian people, including a white guy Mike DiMartino for Aang.[1] Essentially, Asian culture is for Asian people only. White people should stick with white people s**t. They even came up a BS term for this: "cultural appropriation". Not even a black guy for Monk Gyatso. Not even a Hispanic Seychelle Gabriel for Princess Yue. Zuko should be Japanese not Indian, because some Chinese are too racist proud to accept that Indians ARE Asians, and because Japan whooped China in the last century during WW2 http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/Hasdi/45.gif

      Ironically, people opposed of this narrow-minded view of "cultural appropriation" (including myself) are accused of being racists. Yet, some of these accusers have shown more hate and intolerance against the movie and its fans than a white supremacist rally of the KKK. If this is their idea of social justice, they can take their view on "equality" and shove it up their ass. >.<

      not hating. I am a white man very interested in Asian culture.

      it would JUST LOOK SILLY. as it did.

      I think that is why everyone in lord of the rings was white, because it was based on European Culture.

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:

      MysticNerd wrote:

      TheAvatarNate wrote:
      they are cartoons existing in a fictional universe.

      they aren't white or asian. BECAUSE ASIA AND EUROPE DO NOT EXIST IN THE AVATAR WORLD.

      I'm tired of people saying black is a race. It is not a race, it is a skin color.

      ....where did I say that?

      and "black" is just slang for the African Race (in the USA). in Australia it is slang for the Aboriginese (a different race).

      but, yeah. several different races have black skin.

      You used the non-existance of some races as proof of the nonexistance of whites and blacks. A black in the avatar world is someone with dark skin in the avatar world.

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    • TheAvatarNate wrote:
      it would JUST LOOK SILLY. as it did.

      We have Asians practicing Western/white culture in our real world, as highlighted by Gangnam Style and others. How is it any more "SILLY" for whites to practice Asian culture in this fictional world?

      I think that is why everyone in lord of the rings was white, because it was based on European Culture.

      First off, LOTR setting is Middle-earth, which Tolkein based of the European region on our planet. The Avatar world covers the entire planet. Even so, I have no problem had Peter Jackson cast non-whites in the main and major roles. Look at Marvel Studios. Thor is based on Norse