Korra stated that she thinks her link to the past Avatars is gone forever, but that is what Korra thinks and doesn't know. The creators could make it so that Korra does regain her link to the past Avatars because Korra stated that she thinks her link to the past Avatars is gone but again, she doesn't know.
Korra did not lose her connection to her past lives, her connection to her past lives may be weak but it is not gone. I refuse to accept that her link to the past Avatars are gone and I have a good reason to refuse believing that Korra lost her connection to her past lives.
Korra is the reincarnation of Wan. As we all know, Wan is his own being. Wan can exist without Raava. As we all know, Korra was able to exist without Raava.
If Korra isn't the reincarnation of Wan then she wouldn't of been weakened when Raava was attacked and the past lives were wiped from existence because Raava and Korra/Wan are two seperate entities and they can exist without each other. If Wan and Raava were truly bonded then Korra would not of lost her link to Wan and all his incarnations, because Korra is Wan's incarnation.
If Raava was responsible for Korra's link to her past lives then Korra really isn't the reincarnation of Wan because as we all know, Wan and Korra was able to exist/live without Raava, and if Korra is truly the reincarnation of Wan then she wouldn't of lost her connection to Wan even if Raava was destroyed because Korra is the reincarnation of Wan and will always have a link to him.
Whether Raava was responsible for the current Avatar's link to his/her past lives or wasn't responsible for the current Avatar's link to his/her past lives, the current Avatar will always have a connection to their past lives, so the creators made a hurp durp situation.
eh, kinda. as you said, korra is the reincarnation of wan, aka, she is him, they are one and the same. but just because you are someone reincarnated doesn't mean you can remember that life. Raava was the reason that her avatar could call on one of his past lives, it wasn't an inherent ability that the avatar had. so when raava was destroyed, that meant that korra could no longer remember her past lives. (again, remember that the past lives are nothing but suppressed memories of the current avatar). As depressing as it is that it looks like we won't be hearing from past avatars again, it seems that is the case. I'm rooting for korra to regain her connection to her past lives too, but i'm not getting my hopes up: raava's destruction also destroyed the link she(raava) had with her avatar, meaning that memories were lost.
Perhaps just because you are someone's incarnation doesn't mean at incarnation will remember their past life, but the fact of the matter is, someone's reincarnation will always be linked to the current.
The past Avatars aren't actually suppresses memories of the Avatar. The current Avatar could have physically manifested into his/her past life. Aang's eyes weren't glowing when Kyoshi manifested from him. And again, as I stated, if Raava is responsible for Korra's link to her past lives, Korra's connection would have gone the moment Raava was drawn out of Korra's body.
Anyways, if Raava and Wan were truly bonded, Korra would not of lost her connection, because Raava was a part of Wan and Wan was a part of Raava, creating the Avatar Spirit. Since Korra is Wan's incarnation, Korra would not of lost her connection to Wan, because she is Wan's incarnation, regardless of Raava being destroyed.
Now on the flip side, if Raava and Wan were never truly bonded, Korra still wouldn't of lost her connection to Wan when Raava was destroyed, because Wan and Raava are seperate entities, so Raava wouldn't be responsible for Korra's connection.
Now if Korra isn't Wan's incarnation then Korra would never of lost her connection to Wan, just because Raava was inside of her, because the "memories" Raava held were of Wan and his incarnations and Korra isn't Wan's incarnation.
The fact still remains, Tenzin asked Korra if she became reconnected to her past lives and Korra replied that she thinks that her link to them is gone forever. The key word to focus on is think. The writers can simply make it so that Korra does gain her connection back to them, that's all there is to it. The writers made many blunders, causing so much confusion.
Hopefully the writers will explain the ramifications of the Season 2 Finale in an interview or something.
VisionOfPerfection wrote: I'm sorry about my grammar. I'm typing on my IPad and spell check is annoying.
It seems fine for the most part. Just don't use "of" as a verb, the word you're thinking of is "have" (often shortened to 've).
As for the Avatar's reincarnation, while all the Avatars do seem to constitute a single entity, there are some hints that the Avatar is the only human that can reincarnate, which would mean that Raava (or more generally, a bonded spirit) is essential to this process. If Raava is the fabric that holds these lives together, it'd make sense that Korra's connection would be severed when Raava was destroyed.
ah, the old ipad... i've heard that thing gets annoying from time to time.
that pretty much sums it up - all the avatars are one (wan - geddit?) person, and Raava is for sure essential to whatever process is going on there, whether it is forcing reincarnation, or just remembering past lives that would have happened anyway.)
we know that the past avatars are suppressed memories of the current b/c the shaman said so in beginnings2 - she said korra was connecting with her memories, and that she must confront her own past if she was to move foward. that in itself is enough evidence to prove that they are all one. the memories are suppressed b/c the avatar can't consciously remember them all the time, but they do surface at times - korra recognized iroh b/c she was friends with him as aang.
korra and raava are definately bonded - that was the whole deal with touching the portals and whatnot.
the physical manifestation is apparently what happens when those memories are brough to the surface - as i said in my dynamics of the avatar, "switching which lifetimes' memories are conscious." apparently that brings a physical change to the avatar's body as well.
korra wouldn't have had to loose her memories as soon as raava was drawn out - so long as she still existed, then the link to the past lives does as well. we'll see more on the details of that in b3 hopefully. (hopefully the word "think", as you said, is the key word, and we're not just reading into it too much.)
yes, just because you reincarnated doesn't mean you can remember your past life. (that's what hindus and buddhists claim to happen irl)
either way, korra and wan (and all the others) are the same person - that much can't be argued: there's far too much evidence that says so, including several verbatim statements as such.
No offense, but you're already stating what I already know.
I'm just stating that if Korra isn't Wan's reincarnation, disregarding Raava, then Korra would not have lost her connection because Korra and Wan aren't the same. I'm also stating that if Korra is Wan's incarnation, even "if" Raava is responsible for Wan's ability to incarnate, Korra still would not have lost her connection to Wan.
Even if Raava is responsible for Wan's ability to incarnate, Korra is Wan's incarnation, and they will always have a connection. I doubt Raava is responsible for Wan's ability to incarnate. Toph asked Aang if he believes that friendships can last more than one lifetime, implying that not only the Avatar incarnates.
A past Avatar manifesting through the current Avatar has nothing to do what happens when memories are brought to the surface. Aang wasn't able to access Kyoshi's memories when he was accused of killing Chin. It was only when Aang wore Kyoshi's clothes was she able to manifest herself through Aang. Kyoshi could have manifested through Aang and do absolutely nothing. Aang didn't even remember what happened after Kyoshi manifested herself through him.
"korra wouldn't have had to loose her memories as soon as raava was drawn out - so long as she still existed, then the link to the past lives does as well. we'll see more on the details of that in b3 hopefully. (hopefully the word "think", as you said, is the key word, and we're not just reading into it too much.)"
You're a grammar Nazi, please capitalize the first word in your first and second sentence............. Anyways, you admitted yourself that Korra and Wan ("and all the others") are the same person. Korra would not have lost her memories whether Raava was destroyed or not, because Korra is Wan, even if Raava was responsible for Wan's ability to incarnate, because Korra will always be a part of Wan, even if Raava was taken out of Korra's body.
I don't care if the Hinduists and the Buddhists claim that not all of the reincarnations of people remember their past life. I didn't create this thread to discuss Buddhism and Hinduism. In the Avatar universe, the Avatar is able to recall the memories of their past lives even when they are infants, ex. The Avatar is given many toys to choose from but picks specific toys belonging to his/her past life. The belief that incarnations don't remember their past life/lives that Buddhists and Hinduists believe in is irrelevant to this thread.
As evident, Raava and Vaatu are able to leave the current Avatar's body. If Raava was the source of the Avatar's ability to bend all four elements (which isn't true, according to me), and is responsible for the Avatar's ability to incarnate, why didn't Raava leave Aang's body when he was stuck in the iceburg? Raava should have left Aang's body when he stated that he didn't want to be the Avatar as punishment.
-Apparently when an Avatar uses the "Avatar State", they access Raava, it's like the Avatar is forcing Raava to give the Avatar more power.
-Korra had a strengthened connection to Wan and Raava
-Raava was able to talk to Korra.
-Why would Raava allow Korra to use the Avatar State to open the other Spirit Portal if the Spirit Portals being open meant Vaatu's release?
Korra stated, "No, I think that link is gone forever" when Tenzin asked her if she is reconnected to her past lives now that she bonded with Raava was once again. The key word people should focus on is think.
As I stated, the writers can make it so that Korra is reconnected to her past lives........... C'an the writers make it so that Korra is reconnected to her past lives' or can they not make it so that Korra is reconnected to her past lives? That's a rhetorical question, of course the writers can make it so that Korra is reconnected to her past lives, so it's a matter of whether the writers want Korra to be reconnected to her past lives or not. I hope the writers give us official statements that answers the questions people have.
Well, Princess Yue is the source of every single Waterbender's power.
Remember how the moon spirit being almost destroyed completely prevented the Waterbenders from Waterbending?
Yue is the most powerful Waterbender as of now. She is the Moon Spirit, and therefore the source of the Waterbenders' power.
As a spirit and the most powerful Waterbender she could have used Energybending, it's entirely possible.
But even without Energybending, as the most powerful Waterbender, I'm pretty Yue could have used Bloodbending to block Unalaq's chi and prevent him from bending, like how Amon could take the bending of another.
The Moon Spirit and chi are two totally different things. Chi simply allows a person to bend because it is born unblocked. The Moon Spirit is simply the source from which chi derives its power. If the Moon Spirit dies, a bender can't derive its power from anything.
Can the other avatars (Aang, Roku, Kyoshi etc) survive without Raava just like Korra and Wan can, even without a physical body?
Do you literally mean just 'survive' or do you mean be spiritually capable of doing what Korra did without Raava?
If it's the first one, remember what Tenzin said, "Korra, the most powerful thing about you is not the spirit of Raava, but your own inner spirit". Of course it would hurt having her removed and they'd probably be weak, but I'm sure they'd survive. Korra was only as bad off as she was because she already had the crap beaten out of her before Raava was removed.
Aang, Kyoshi, Roku, Wan, and probably most other Avatars (obviously excepting ones like Kuruk) were very emotionally, spiritually, and physically strong people and probably would have been capable of doing what Korra did.
If she lost her conection due to Raava being destroyed, why didn't Raava's other memories weren't destroyed? And if they have the concept of enlightment everyone reincarnates, that's why the avatar can't attain enlightment because he wouldn't reincarnate anymore.
Even if Yue could remove bending how would she do it only for Unalaq? Would she make it so that the moon was red only for him?
You make a point. Raava knew about Korra even when she had "died" and was reborn. I hope and pray that it's just a mental block of some sort, that given time Korra's past lives will manifest themselves. Even if it's through something as simple as being possessed by Aang to win an Air Scooter race.
The thing about the Avatar State is that, until you master it (which Korra managed in an absurdly fast amount of time, even considering Aang, who took the better part of a year AND was more spiritual to begin with), it's a little bit overwhelming. Korra had always focused on the physical side of being the Avatar, and aside from that, the producers wanted to make her an independent woman. So of course she would feel a bit uncomfortable about a 10,000 year old spirit-bonded deity figure taking over her body to its own ends. How to get around this? First, have her master it absurdly quickly so that she never needs to talk to another Avatar in her life, and second, make it so her own memories are the only ones she has to deal with. It's a quick and effective way for her to use the Avatar State without any chance of being weak whatsoever in relation to it. Now, that's not to say other things (losing Bending, getting poisoned) didn't happen that weren't crippling, and losing the Connection was bad as well. But the point is there that Korra is alone; she handles things with as little help as possible, and Bryke (as they seem to be called) have gone to extremes to demonstrate that.
That said, I must thank you, Vision of Perfection. You have given me new hope for the Avatar Cycle with this forum.
I also think it's a spiritual thing. After fighting Unavaatu she had a lot to do in RC so she probably didn't have time to get in contact with her spiritual side, and after that she had to go after the new airbenders and fight against Zaheer. In season 4 she's broken because of her fear and even in the end of the show she have sequels, she didn't work on(i didn't saw it) that Nega-Korra thing. In her journey to the spirit world with Asami she may get in contact with her spiritual self and get back the memories of her past lives.
As a young man impersonating a wise man said: "You must look within yourself to save yourself from your other self. Only then will your true self reveal itself."