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  • Okay, so I just watched "The Fortuneteller" and it puzzeled me that while Roku, A FULLY REALIZED AVATAR couldn't stop an erupting volcano while Aang(who only knew Airbending and Waterbending at the time) could do it. I find that weird. Agreements? Disagreements?

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    • Aang had the vigor of a biological young man, while Roku was an elderly Avatar. Not to mention Aang didn't actually stop the volcano, he just redirected the lava flows around the village.

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    • also, it was a less extreme eruption, he had people helping him, and he was far enough away from the volcano that any toxic gas didn't hurt him.

      as a side note, he didn't know waterbending, aside from some basic moves, which wouldn't really help him. roku didn't even use waterbending when he was fighting the volcano, which was pretty stupid. an avatar state induced rain of ice would have probably stopped the volcano quicker.

      honestly, roku was an idiot: first of all, he should have kept running with his wife and neighbors and just escaped the village with them on the boats. if the volcano was going to fly/flow far enough away from shore to cause them problems, then he could have used waterbending to get them away quicker. second of all, assuming he stupidly decides to stay, then immediatly after creating those channels to redirect the lava, he should have done something like dig more holes to release the pressure and lessen the force of the eruption, and allow the sulfuric gasses to escape in a more controlled manner. then either after that or at the same time, he should have used waterbending to create a rain of snowballs to absorb the heat and calm it down. when sozin arrived, he would have done the same thing he did, cooling it even faster. then roku wouldn't have died and the war wouldn't have started.

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    • The only way that waterbending could help them go faster is a wave, which could do more harm than good. And water would not be all that useful in stopping an eruption:

      "When first erupted from a volcanic vent, lava is a liquid at temperatures from 700 to 1,200 °C (1,292 to 2,190 °F). Up to 100,000 times as viscous as water, lava can flow great distances before cooling and solidifying because of its thixotropic and shear thinning properties.[1][2]"

      At about a minute in is a rather weak eruption with the entire ocean to absorb its heat:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJn8izcKtg

      Who knows how long that thing was going for. And, like I said, it didn't have the force behind it that Roku's volcano did. Water would mainly cool the top layer of the lava, which would just blast open again when more superheated rock & gas pushed against it. In fact, that really should have happened to Sozin. It would have been funnier & more accurate.

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    • how would a wave making them go faster to more harm than good?

      hmm...point taken. if the water was frozen really cold then i'm sure it could help at least a little, especially combined with the other elements and some lavabending. really, why didn't he just redirect the lava instead of trying to stop it? but like i said, he should have just gotten outta there so he could have a few more years with his wife and prevented the war.

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    • The boat/s (I don't remember) that the islanders were escaping on were very small, & thus would have been prone to capsizing.

      Water could definitely help, as firefighters do use it on lava, mostly to slow it down.

      Apparently, he wanted to try to save the island. Or maybe Bryke majorly overestimates the are of effect of a vocano. It's really only dangerous for a few miles away from the cone.

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    • the wave wouldn't have to be big, and he could even just create a "river" in the ocean, like a fast current, carrying the boats to safety - the "wave" wouldn't have to rise up at all.

      it sounded before like you were saying water wouldn't help.

      yeah...not such a bright move, dude. and yeah on the second thing too: bryke said that sozin could see/feel the effects of the volcano 100 miles away, but that would be around the curvature of the earth, making that impossible. and even if he did feel it and somehow know where it's coming from, there's no way his dragon could get him there so quickly.

      i thought of this after saying roku should have left and had a few more years with his wife: assuming normal people don't reincarnate, then the avatar is the only one who doesn't get to be reunited with his/her spouse after death. kinda sad, actually.

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    • "the wave wouldn't have to be big, and he could even just create a "river" in the ocean, like a fast current, carrying the boats to safety - the "wave" wouldn't have to rise up at all."

      Can he do that?

      "it sounded before like you were saying water wouldn't help."

      Relative terms. Were I in Roku's position, I would not go out of my way to waterbend, because it does not significantly improve my odds, but it isn't as though it literally has no effect at all.

      "yeah...not such a bright move, dude. and yeah on the second thing too: bryke said that sozin could see/feel the effects of the volcano 100 miles away, but that would be around the curvature of the earth, making that impossible."

      This involves math, so I'm not even going to try to figure it out.

      "and even if he did feel it and somehow know where it's coming from, there's no way his dragon could get him there so quickly."

      Hm. One wonders how aerodynamic a dragon is.

      "i thought of this after saying roku should have left and had a few more years with his wife: assuming normal people don't reincarnate, then the avatar is the only one who doesn't get to be reunited with his/her spouse after death. kinda sad, actually."

      Not sure I follow.

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    • of course he could, it's just regular waterbending. "rivers" under the sea are actually very common. a simple pushing motion would suffice, i'm sure. one doesn't even have to be very creative for this.

      "this involves math..."

      haha. :)

      "not sure i follow"

      many people believe that one is reunited with his or her loved ones after death...but if the avatar reincarnates, then that's not possible.

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    • "of course he could, it's just regular waterbending. "rivers" under the sea are actually very common. a simple pushing motion would suffice, i'm sure. one doesn't even have to be very creative for this."

      I know that currents exist, but they are formed by the motion of the whole planet. Changing the motion of a huge stretch of ocean sounds like a fairly daunting task, if you ask me.

      "many people believe that one is reunited with his or her loved ones after death...but if the avatar reincarnates, then that's not possible."

      I guess. Though it is also possible that everyone else simply ceases to exist. Or that the past Avatars can also access the afterlife, given how they can access the Spirit World, despite being reincarnated.

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    • not really... he just needs to move the water under the boat. and even if it was a daunting task...."avatar state, yip yip!" XD

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    • Even the Avatar State has limits. The most we've see out of it, waterbending-wise, is the production of large waves. But yes, I suppose he could have used a method similar to how the Foggy Swamp tribesmen propel their boats.

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    • BINGO!!! i forgot about those guys...yeah, that's basically what i was thinking of. :)

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