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  • I think it dosen't make sense. Long Feng was their leader for a long time and under him Ba Sing Se was would be in their control with no need for the Earth king that was nothing but a figurehead. The fire nation were their SWORN ENEMIES! The fire nation would have still been in control anyway wit the Dai Li as just puppets on a string. And you know Azula would have disposed of them when she thought they were useless. Now, I'm not saying what Long Feng did was good but I'm just saying it makes no sense for the Dai Li to switch loyalty to a 14 year old girl.

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    • They wanted to be on the winning side.

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    • Fear, mostly. They feared Azula's wrath more than Long Feng's.

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    • which of course only makes sense in a y7 show - a large group of grown men who are extremely talented at earthbending are more terrified of a 14 year old girl than another fully grown man. right.

      but seriously, azula was a firebender, while long feng was an earthbender: they've dealt with earth before, but fire was a little new to them, especially blue fire and lightning, so that could be one reason they were scared of her, although that still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

      also, the fire nation wasn't their sworn enemy, they didn't really have any interaction until azula's little posse came through the walls. the military was mainly the one that dealt with the fire nation and any assults they enacted on the city.

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    • They thought she was a better leader with better plans to overthrow the king.

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    • I tend to agree with OP. Azula's little speech about why they would choose to follow her was some nice rehtoric, but overall did not make logical sense to me. While the Dai Li were more than a police force in the city, they were not really soldiers. Azula's use of them was more for combat and the coup of the military leaders, which is all well and good, but they never expressed an interest to control war leaders or have any part of the war before Azula got there. If they were mad at the Avatar for imprisoning Long Feng, they would have just tried to take care of him by themselves, more covertly. The Idea that they wanted to hand Ba Sing Se, the city that they previosuly ran for lack of a better term, over to the fire nation is confusing. They did not gain anything from taking out war leaders. It isn't as if the group of 5 were telling them they couldn't go fight. Long Feng provided a great opportunity from them to stomp the Fire nation Coup, go back after the Avatar, and still maintain their quiet power in the city. Just not sure why their ideals/intentions changed so quickly.   

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    • If you read the article about the Dai Li, you would know they did it only for themselves.

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    • Power in a city state/nation that is extremely corrupt, divided, economically degrading, and on the losing side of a war. If they didn't side with Azula, eventually the fire nation would have conquered Ba Sing Se somehow, especially so with Sozin's Comet on the way, which would make them lose all power they had in the first place. Comparatively, Long Feng's plans where small and shortsighted when compared to Azula's which were far more lucrative. By becoming her personal guard/soldiers they knew she would eventually become Fire Lord in somehow, and since the fire nation has such a large influence, wealth, and has conquered most of the EK at this point it makes more sense to join her than resist her. Basically, self preservation and power.

      How and why the hell does Hou Ting still keep them around is my question? 

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    • Count Kibbles N Bits wrote:

      How and why the hell does Hou Ting still keep them around is my question? 

      How? By giving them what they want, I'd guess: money, influence, perks, etc.

      Why? Because they're elite earthbenders and corrupt, so she can turn them into her personal enforcers

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    • Because Azula is too charismatic and was born to rule. It's all explained in the show.

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    • Intelligence4 wrote:
      which of course only makes sense in a y7 show - a large group of grown men who are extremely talented at earthbending are more terrified of a 14 year old girl than another fully grown man. right.

      but seriously, azula was a firebender, while long feng was an earthbender: they've dealt with earth before, but fire was a little new to them, especially blue fire and lightning, so that could be one reason they were scared of her, although that still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

      also, the fire nation wasn't their sworn enemy, they didn't really have any interaction until azula's little posse came through the walls. the military was mainly the one that dealt with the fire nation and any assults they enacted on the city.

       She's terrifying and inspriational at the same, it's hard to explain- Dai Agent

      Why does her age matter? She's much more charismatic and intimidating than Long Feng. She looks pretty mature, if anything. She looks nothing like a child. Didn't you watch the Dai Li fight Zuko? They seemed pretty unfazed with his fire and easily imprisoned him. The Dai Li don't have a "sworn enemy". You either benefited them or you didn't. 

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    • Well I guess that her age matters because, when you are 14 years old you usually doesn't have very much experience, knowledge or fighting capabilities. You are however right that Azula despite her age is very intimidating, but for those people that are a little tougher than your average civilian, this intimidation might not shine through immediately.

      As for why the Dai Li betrayed Long Feng, I think that they probably betrayed Long Feng because of the reasons Count Kibbles N Bits brought up. I think this is made pretty clear by the fact that the Dai Li continue to serve Long Feng even after he is imprisoned, which I think is a sign that the Dai Li believe that Long Feng is a more capable leader than the inexperienced king. However when Azula arrives on the scene the Dai Li is slowly convinced that her leadership (note how the Dai Li agent in episode 220 "The Crossroads of Destiny" says that she is both inspirational and intimidating so the Dai Li is more than scared by Azula) is even stronger than Long Feng's. However unlike Count Kibbles N Bits I believe that the Dai Li sided with Azula not just because of self preservation and power, but also because they might have thought that it was the best thing to do for the city of Ba Sing Se and it's people.

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    • ELEMENTAL UNITY wrote:
      Well I guess that her age matters because, when you are 14 years old you usually doesn't have very much experience, knowledge or fighting capabilities. You are however right that Azula despite her age is very intimidating, but for those people that are a little tougher than your average civilian, this intimidation might not shine through immediately.

      As for why the Dai Li betrayed Long Feng, I think that they probably betrayed Long Feng because of the reasons Count Kibbles N Bits brought up. I think this is made pretty clear by the fact that the Dai Li continue to serve Long Feng even after he is imprisoned, which I think is a sign that the Dai Li believe that Long Feng is a more capable leader than the inexperienced king. However when Azula arrives on the scene the Dai Li is slowly convinced that her leadership (note how the Dai Li agent in episode 220 "The Crossroads of Destiny" says that she is both inspirational and intimidating so the Dai Li is more than scared by Azula) is even stronger than Long Feng's. However unlike Count Kibbles N Bits I believe that the Dai Li sided with Azula not just because of self preservation and power, but also because they might have thought that it was the best thing to do for the city of Ba Sing Se and it's people.

      Why would they care about of the people of Ba Sing Se? Plus, like I already stated,  her age does not matter. Nobody even knew she was 14 until it was confirmed by the creators. Did anyone in the series automatically think "Oh, well, she's fourteen! How deadly can she be?" I'm pretty sure "Holy fuck, she's gonna kill me!" was going through everyone's minds throughout the series. 

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    • Well, for one, their families are probably in Ba Sing Se. Just because they're horrible authoritarian oppressors doesn't mean they don't think they're doing it for the good of the people.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Well, for one, their families are probably in Ba Sing Se. Just because they're horrible authoritarian oppressors doesn't mean they don't think they're doing it for the good of the people.

      I thought the Dai Li agents were snatched away from the homes at a young age?

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    • If they were, I didn't hear about it.

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    • "Nobody even knew she was 14 until it was confirmed by the creators. Did anyone in the series automatically think "Oh, well, she's fourteen! How deadly can she be?" I'm pretty sure "Holy fuck, she's gonna kill me!" was going through everyone's minds throughout the series."

      Just because the audience doesn't know the age of a certain character in the series, doesn't mean that this characters age is unknown to the other characters in the series. Furthermore we got to know some time during the second season of A:TLA that Azula is younger than Zuko which means that she would be less than 16 years old.

      Anyway, I do agree with you that Azula is one of the most imposing and terrifying characters in the series, but for people that haven't heard the rumors of Azula (I suppose there should be some rumors), like most people in Ba Sing Se, she is a only a 14 year old princess/girl.

      I mean just look at the Dai Li. Before they knew about Azula's capabilities they dragged her to Long Feng without seeming the least bit afraid. However when she later held her speech about the coup of Ba Sing Se, all the Dai Li seemed to show her a lot more respect because they knew what she could do.

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    • I believe it was both because Azula was on the winning team, and if the Dai Li betrayed her, they would become burnt rock-mallows.

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    • You got answer in the episodes just watch it again

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    • Pokenerd2267 wrote:
      I believe it was both because Azula was on the winning team, and if the Dai Li betrayed her, they would become burnt rock-mallows.

      It would be dangerous for them to betray Azula that is for sure, but I still think the Dai Li would have the upper hand, because they are after all elite soldiers used as a secret police and they are quite many. A good example of their combat prowess would be when a few of them managed to easily defeat Zuko during episode 0220 "The Crossroads of Destiny",  now I am not saying that Zuko was as powerful as Azula at that moment in the series and his battle strategy at that point was horrible, but he is still a very powerful firebender.

      So I would say that the Dai Li did it because they believed they would gain something from it, I mean without the help of the Dai Li, I think it would be quite hard for the Fire Nation to invade Ba Sing Se before Ozai's eventuall defeat at the hands of Aang.

      "You got answer in the episodes just watch it again"

      Well the episode shows us whats happening that is true, but it doesn't tell us anything definitive about the thoughts going through the minds of the Dai Li, that subject is up to interpretation and I suppose that is way this thread was created. 

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    • One of the Dai Li talked about Azula with Long Feng and you saw what happend when she talked with them

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    • ELEMENTAL UNITY wrote:
      Pokenerd2267 wrote:
      I believe it was both because Azula was on the winning team, and if the Dai Li betrayed her, they would become burnt rock-mallows.
      It would be dangerous for them to betray Azula that is for sure, but I still think the Dai Li would have the upper hand, because they are after all elite soldiers used as a secret police and they are quite many. A good example of their combat prowess would be when a few of them managed to easily defeat Zuko during episode 0220 "The Crossroads of Destiny",  now I am not saying that Zuko was as powerful as Azula at that moment in the series and his battle strategy at that point was horrible, but he is still a very powerful firebender.

      So I would say that the Dai Li did it because they believed they would gain something from it, I mean without the help of the Dai Li, I think it would be quite hard for the Fire Nation to invade Ba Sing Se before Ozai's eventuall defeat at the hands of Aang.

      "You got answer in the episodes just watch it again"

      Well the episode shows us whats happening that is true, but it doesn't tell us anything definitive about the thoughts going through the minds of the Dai Li, that subject is up to interpretation and I suppose that is way this thread was created.

      That makes sense, however, in one of the episodes (I'm going to say Crossroads of Destiny, simply because I cannot quite recall), one of the Dai Li agents, while talking to Long Feng, says;

      "She's terrifying, yet inspiring"

      It's kind of in plain sight that all/some of the Dai Li agents are afraid of making a simple mistep with Azula.


      However, it does make a lot of sense to think they would get something out of it, Aula is one of the most powerful firebenders in the show, possessing her insanity, lightning, and exceedingly strong flame power.

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