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  • When Wan died, a light (presumably Raava and his soul) came out of his body and disintegrated into little flecks of light. When Korra purified Unulaq/Vaatu, they broke apart and scattered in the same way. Now granted, this happened with every dark spirit who was purified, but given that it was the dark Avatar that was purified, might a cycle of reincarnation occur with him, thus causing a new one to be born?

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    • The Dark Avatar cannot reincarnate, well at least in the next 10,000 years. UnaVaatu was purified while he was in the Dark Avatar State. Similar to what almost happened to Aang after Azula shot her with lightning, if an Avatar gets killed in the Avatar State, the cycle wil be broken. The same rule applies to Unalaq.

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    • per IAN. also, remember what yangchen said about the avatar not being an all powerful spirit on some mountain who never dies and therefore has not much in common with people in the escape from the spirit world game.  (sorry, that was a long sentence). I think unavaatu became an all powerful spirit as yangchen described, which would mean he would never die, so the reincarnation thing would never really be an issue.

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    • At the moment, it seems to me that Korra broke the cycle. When she purified unalaq, it seemed to me that he was in the Avatar State, meaning that since she essentially killed him while he was in the State, the cycle would've been broken. Now granted, "purification" shouldn't have killed Vaatu (though he is the embodiment of evil basicially, it would seem he likely can't be purified without being destroyed for 10,000 years in the process). It also seems like a human likely wouldn't survive the process, without their human form being destroyed. So, in short, Unalaq is likely dead, and Vaatu has been destroyed for 10,000 years, unless someone snuffs the residual darkness out of Raava (and by transition, the Avatar). When Vaatu is reborn from the Avatar, though, he'll likely find another human to merge with and recreate the Dark Avatar Spirit, as Korra did with Raava. And likely, this person will be of another element, so as to continue the cycle, and eventually make the Dark Avatar on par with the Avatar in terms of number of elements.

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    • I'm not sure the Dark Avatar can be reincarnated, even ten thousand years in the future. I think it would make for a more interesting story if they can't. Hear me out. Much like the old Raava was destroyed, requiring the new Raava to merge with Korra again to reform the Avatar, the old Vaatu was destroyed. If a new Dark Avatar is to be created, he'd need to merge with a human during the next Harmonic Convergence. I don't think Vaatu would have access to the four elements either, at least not until there has been a Dark Avatar born in each bender, so he can "pick up" the power. Vaatu was not given the bending powers by lion turtles, so he'd need to gather them from his Avatars. However, my theory is that in a way, the Dark Avatar is already being reincarnated, just not in the way most people would think. The new Raava has been merged to Korra's spirit. Since the new Vaatu would emerge from the new Raava, I think it would be interesting if he was also bound to this spirit. When Vaatu is strong enough to emerge from Raava, it won't be Raava's Avatar against Vaatu's Avatar, the same person will be the Avatar from both. The conflict between two all-powerful spirits will literally happen inside a person, with all the potential plots that come with it. Maybe the Avatar can choose which spirit's power to channel, but what happens when they do that? Does channeling Raava's power mean that Raava is more in-tune with the Avatar, or does it mean that the Avatar is diverting power that was being used to keep Vaatu from influencing the Avatar? How would a dual Avatar State work? So on and so forth.

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    • He probably could have if Vaatu weren't cleansed. Vaatu will eventually grow inside of Raava who is inside of the Avatar so ten thousand years down the road, the Avatar will be the Avatar of both. :o

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    • 1) Raava received all bendings from lionturtle. Vaatu did not. How can the dark Avatar reincarnate in the next element? 

      2) Raava was a miniature of herself before merging with Wan. Vaatu wasn't. So how did the merging happen in the first place? 

      3) The angry panda in the Legend of Aang episodes wasn't purple or black. It was transformed into another natural-looking-colored creature. Wan's spirit buddies did also turn into colorful evil spirits. So why did most of the spirits turn into generic purple/black monsters without distinctive features? It was a continuity issue and a missed opportunity to create unique state-of-art evil spirits.

      The whole Book II : Spirits was a disaster after Books of Aang and Book I of Korra.

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      1. Reincarnation isn't dictated by having bending abilities. For all we know, Vaatu could instead retain the bending ability of his Avatar, meaning all he would have to do is reincarnate an entire cycle to have all four bending abilities. Still, bending ability does not dictate reincarnation.
      2. Nothing says that her being weakened would prevent the merging from happening. You're just making a problem up where there isn't one.
      3. Art styles change. Not all dark spirits were featureless. Refer to the spirits in Iroh's tea party. They just changed expression, attitude, and color scheme. Also, simpler designs mean an easier time to animate. Fire Nation soldier designs from the first series went through several revisions because they needed something simple that animators could do in bulk for scenes with several of them. Same applies here.
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    • Thank you for your response and accept my apologies on disagreeing with you. This season was the worst of all seven seasons. It had no originality on storytelling nor art. It was almost boring during bending scenes and predictable Avatar failures. And please don't think I don't like Legend of Korra overall. 'Book I : Air' and 'Book III : Changes' were great. The idea for 'Book II : Spirits' was NOT bad. However, the execution killed it.

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    • There should’ve been another female antagonist who is the current Dark Avatar.

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    • I really like Omnibenders Idea, but also really like the idea of Raava, and Vaatu not being Good & Evil, but Order and Chaos, and like what I mean is neither are completely good or completely bad, if there's too much Order you don't have freedom, if there's too much Chaos the world doesn't function, like a sorta example I like is Soul Calibur, Soul Calibur is the Sword of Order and people in that universe think of it as the Sword of Good, Soul Edge is the Sword of Chaos, and people think of it as evil, although both swords are actually pretty evil in the way they act they strive for Sole Control, but if either sword is completely destroyed the world is a mess, although Raava doesn't exactly act Evil, but like Vaatu also doesn't exactly act Evil either, so I hope if there's an Avatar 3 that they go for this although seeing as How Avatar is targeted at kids a bunch of parents would say It's destroying my kids sense of Morality, so probably wouldn't happen

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    • Xenotato wrote: I really like Omnibenders Idea, but also really like the idea of Raava, and Vaatu not being Good & Evil, but Order and Chaos, and like what I mean is neither are completely good or completely bad, if there's too much Order you don't have freedom, if there's too much Chaos the world doesn't function, like a sorta example I like is Soul Calibur, Soul Calibur is the Sword of Order and people in that universe think of it as the Sword of Good, Soul Edge is the Sword of Chaos, and people think of it as evil, although both swords are actually pretty evil in the way they act they strive for Sole Control, but if either sword is completely destroyed the world is a mess, although Raava doesn't exactly act Evil, but like Vaatu also doesn't exactly act Evil either, so I hope if there's an Avatar 3 that they go for this although seeing as How Avatar is targeted at kids a bunch of parents would say It's destroying my kids sense of Morality, so probably wouldn't happen

      And potential ideas like this really drive home how much I hated Book 2 even/especially "Beginnings" because of how Black-and-White/simplified/Western the origin story was right down to Wan being The Avatar and his reincarnations spending their lives fighting for Balance being a case of Original Sin for separating Raava and Vaatu (besides the world not being balanced before then considering the spirits basically ruling the world.)

      Just imagine if you will if it turned out that either the Avatar Spirit all along had been only half of what it should be and that Vaatu was supposed to have been joined with Raava within The Avatar and/or a "The Dark Crystal"-like situation where the AS had been fractured into the two spirits and Korra had to re-join/balance them w/o a spiritual sickness because of one's greater influence representing an extreme.

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    • O-kei Dou-kei wrote:

      Xenotato wrote: I really like Omnibenders Idea, but also really like the idea of Raava, and Vaatu not being Good & Evil, but Order and Chaos, and like what I mean is neither are completely good or completely bad, if there's too much Order you don't have freedom, if there's too much Chaos the world doesn't function, like a sorta example I like is Soul Calibur, Soul Calibur is the Sword of Order and people in that universe think of it as the Sword of Good, Soul Edge is the Sword of Chaos, and people think of it as evil, although both swords are actually pretty evil in the way they act they strive for Sole Control, but if either sword is completely destroyed the world is a mess, although Raava doesn't exactly act Evil, but like Vaatu also doesn't exactly act Evil either, so I hope if there's an Avatar 3 that they go for this although seeing as How Avatar is targeted at kids a bunch of parents would say It's destroying my kids sense of Morality, so probably wouldn't happen

      And potential ideas like this really drive home how much I hated Book 2 even/especially "Beginnings" because of how Black-and-White/simplified/Western the origin story was right down to Wan being The Avatar and his reincarnations spending their lives fighting for Balance being a case of Original Sin for separating Raava and Vaatu (besides the world not being balanced before then considering the spirits basically ruling the world.)

      Just imagine if you will if it turned out that either the Avatar Spirit all along had been only half of what it should be and that Vaatu was supposed to have been joined with Raava within The Avatar and/or a "The Dark Crystal"-like situation where the AS had been fractured into the two spirits and Korra had to re-join/balance them w/o a spiritual sickness because of one's greater influence representing an extreme.

      But even if Vaatu was painted as evil of course he'd be it's very reasonable to think Chaos is evil, but the overall Story of Korra is much more grey then Aang's was, although yeah obviously that's the series as a whole not just book 2

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    • Problem is/was, Vaatu was painted as moustache-twirling, cackling Eeeevil, so it was a big step backwards for a series that's supposed to be grayer than its predecessor. I'm reminded (a lot, the more I think about it,) of Alien X from "Ben 10 Alien Force.*" Said alien contains three personalities counting Ben (as the "voice of reason"/Ego) with Serena being "the voice of love and compassion" while Bellicus being "the voice of rage and aggression." Neither one's evil, but she's a snowflake and he's a jerk that simply argue pointlessly for eternity without Ben mediating otherwise he can't even move or turn back in that form.

      Something, if not exactly that could've worked especially considering the human Avatar in that situation has to Balance the other two, but even the spirit-human dynamic was screwed up in being a poor man's Miyazaki, so yeah...


      • And now I'm reminded of how Gwevin was also a Doylistic mess as LoK's love triangle, but for a different reason, (offsetting the incest vibe between Ben and Gwen) and different outcome (Gwen and Kevin stayed together without any deconstruction and was simply mocked and downplayed).
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    • O-kei Dou-kei wrote:
      Problem is/was, Vaatu was painted as moustache-twirling, cackling Eeeevil, so it was a big step backwards for a series that's supposed to be grayer than its predecessor. I'm reminded (a lot, the more I think about it,) of Alien X from "Ben 10 Alien Force.*" Said alien contains three personalities counting Ben (as the "voice of reason"/Ego) with Serena being "the voice of love and compassion" while Bellicus being "the voice of rage and aggression." Neither one's evil, but she's a snowflake and he's a jerk that simply argue pointlessly for eternity without Ben mediating otherwise he can't even move or turn back in that form.

      Something, if not exactly that could've worked especially considering the human Avatar in that situation has to Balance the other two, but even the spirit-human dynamic was screwed up in being a poor man's Miyazaki, so yeah...


      • And now I'm reminded of how Gwevin was also a Doylistic mess as LoK's love triangle, but for a different reason, (offsetting the incest vibe between Ben and Gwen) and different outcome (Gwen and Kevin stayed together without any deconstruction and was simply mocked and downplayed).

      Yeah true, but they could definitely retcon him being super evil, and still generally more then just Ozai was evil, although the Last Airbender Comics had more Gray villains and kinda made me like Aang less with him so focused on the past although changed his mind,  but in terms of the Cartoon Korra was more gray, cuz Amon, Unoloq, Zafir, a and Kavira aren't just straight up evil, although  I will admit The finally of Book 1 was really bad, it was  such a Deus Ex Machina, just you lost all your bending but Air, so Aang Showed up energy bent her bending back then Korra could do it, and I haven't been able to read Turf Wars part 3 yet, but I don't think Tokuga has an any moral reason he's just a gang leader

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    • 1. It looks like you wrote that in a stream of conscious.

      2. No, the damage is done and not only has Vaatu and Ozai spelled out as one-dimensionally eeeevil, but in the latter's case, he exists more as a challenge to Aang's beliefs, (meaning Aang's form of conflict is more "Man against Self" rather than "Man against Man,") rather than as personal a villain as Ozai was to Zuko or how Korra saw each villain as personal because she identified herself as purely The Avatar, so their threats of replacing/obsoleting The Avatar was a personal threat against her in her mind.

      3. I haven't either, but considering what little I've read (ex. the transcript on this site,) and DiMartino deliberately simplifying the story in general, (ex. the views on queerness,) Tokuga's as straight-forward a villain as Ozai, but more stylish at doing so.

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    • Remember, Vaatu was incredibly patient and strategic. Raava was more judgmental and quick to anger. So yeah, them being embodiment of "good and evil" does not fit them well. They have their immortality, but neither is perfect.

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    • Kind of, but it feels more like "Good is Not Necessarily Nice" than "Order is Not Necessarily Good."

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:

      Remember, Vaatu was incredibly patient and strategic.

      So was Azula.

      Deception is only tolerated in the Avatar World if it's used in the "Bugs Bunny" Trickster-sense to solve problems and/or avoid conflict (ex. Aang's lie in "The Great Divide," Asami's manipulation in "Long Live The Queen" and Ikki with the soldiers in "The Clearing") and even lying for well-intentioned reasons (ex. Mako gaslighting Korra because he didn't want to hurt her and regretted breaking up with her or Aang hiding the letter in "Bato of the Water Tribe" because he feared being abandoned) get called out on.

      Besides Raava's "Good is Not Not Nice/Order is Not Necessarily Good" mentality, her character arc is learning to socially bond with Wan/a human before literally bonding with him and humanity in general, which goes right back to what Yangchen said about The Avatar being born human instead of some immortal god on high to better connect with the world.

      So yes, the point still stands that it's Pure Good vs. Pure Evil.

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