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  • Azula's trademark Firebending represents her pursuit of perfection and her sadistic nature. Ozai is apparently the epitomy of what Azula craves to be. Now if this was true, Ozai's Firebending should of been blue, however this is not the case. The Blue part of the flame is hotter than the Red, Yellow, or Orange part of the flame, so why didn't Ozai use Blue fire in his duel against Aang? That's rhetorical, he couldn't use Blue fire because he sucks. 

    Ozai couldn't conquer Ba Sing Se through military force or deceipt. He could of gone there himself as a tourist and used make up. He doesn't have any distinct look to him, if they would notice him, then they should of noticed Azula and Iroh as well. Iroh, at least, has more military expertise, and has traveled the World more, you would figure that Iroh would be identified easily when he came into Ba Sing Se. 


    Iroh would of succeeded in conquering Ba Sing Se if his son didn't die. If Ozai was the most powerful Firebender of all time, he should of helped Iroh by bringing in more soldiers with him and continue to led the war effort when Iroh was mourning for Lu Ten, and conquer Ba Se, THEN take the throne from Iroh, but instead he was begging for the throne like a clever cow......ard. 


    So there you go:


    Azula's blue fire represents her mastery in Firebending and her cruelty and Ozai is the epitomy of all that is cruel and his "more powerful in the art of Firebending" than Azula and still cannot create Blue fire, which is the hottest type of fire there is.


    He didn't use Blue fire in his duel against Aang, and if he chose to, then he is stupid


    If he is considered the most powerful Firebender because he is in great shape and isn't young and inexperienced and isn't frail or old then imagine how powerful Azula would be when she got to his age.


    Azula should still be alive <3 and make an appearance because she is perfect.

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    • Azula's flames are far more focused than Ozai's. Ozai's flames, while cooler, are absolutely enormous. Azula and Ozai take two different approaches to overpowering the enemy in battle, and its hard to compare the two.

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    • I agree that Azula most definitely surpassed Ozai and Iroh!

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    • Indeed.

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    • Iroh redirects all her lightning and eats her fire like a dragon Rawr! xD

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    • ^I don't agree, if we're talking about adult Azula! Hell, Iroh was afraid to face her head on in Season 2! As well as doubtful about himself facing Ozai during Sozin's Comet! It's not like all that Azula does is shoot lightning to win fights. Hell, she almost killed Zuko and Sokka when they were double teaming on her in "The Boiling Rock", until Mai stepped in, and she used no lightning, whatsoever. Almost killed Iroh in the showdown in "The Chase" with a blast of fire. Almost killed Zuko again in "The Southern Raiders", Katara and Appa stepped in. And she'd become insane in "The Southern Radiers". So, I don't agree that she won't surpass Iroh.

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    • She'll surpass him one day.

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    • Yes, she will! She can fight quite effectively without lightning.

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    • Ozai and Iroh I think are more powerful and experienced, but Azula will likely surpass them assuming she hasn't rusted her skills.

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    • Pheonixking3000 wrote:
      Ozai and Iroh I think are more powerful and experienced, but Azula will likely surpass them assuming she hasn't rusted her skills.


      Yes, I agree. I get annoyed with fans who think that Iroh is significantly stronger than Ozai, because it would not be an easy fight. The two I'd put for even, since Iroh doubted his ability to beat Iroh. And I can't stand the people who think that Iroh would absolutely beat Aang in no Avatar State duirng Sozin's Comet... no, he would not. Aang was freaking trading blows with someone far faster, younger, and more agile than Iroh -_-

      Agreed on Azula surpassing them, though! :D

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    • Nah. Azula was at her best before she went mad. Azula was talented as hell and was an excellent fire bender but not better than Ozai. How was able to genereate lightning in a few second, where it took Azula at least a handful to get the job done. Remember, Azula had only recently mastered lightning, when we see her prataicing the technique infront of Lo and Li. I do strongly believe that Azula would of cleanly surpassed Ozai by the time she was in her 20s. Also, I dont think that Azula has fully mastered firebending. I think one has to train for years and have a lot of experience ti be claasfied as a master. Like, Iroh and Ozai would be  Fire bending masters. The creators never really explanined what clasifies benders as masters. Althogh, this can be argued. Take Toph for example. I am sure that every avatar fan would clasify Toph as a Earth bending master, undoubtly. Toph's Earth and metal bending abilities are unparrelled, but she was only a 12 year old child. King Bumi has was an Earth bender of rare skill and had over 100 years of experience behind him. I am sure that he would be clasified as master. I do think that Toph was better at Earth bending than Azula was at Fire bending. Katara was also better at her element than Azula

      I am sure that by the time toph was in her 40s, she would of been the best Earth bender in the entire world, maybe even better than Kyoshi. Now, that would be interesting. Earth bending duel. Toph Vs. Avatar Kyoshi( No AS and only eath bending.)

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    • Obviously, Auzla was not that good, yet, but I see her esaily surpassing Ozai and Iroh in her adult years. Ditto for Toph and Katara.

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    • I agree 100% TarrlokUltimateWaterbender.

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    • @AvatarReiko

      "Also, I dont think that Azula has fully mastered firebending. I think one has to train for years and have a lot of experience ti be claasfied as a master. Like, Iroh and Ozai would be  Fire bending masters."

      Just because Azula wasn't as good as Ozai or Iroh at the time doesn't mean she still can't be considered a true master.  Katara was regarded as a master at the age of 14 by Master Pakku who had decades of experience as a waterbending master.  Azula HAS trained in firebending for several years, even as a kid her firebending skills were prodigial and far beyond that of any average bender. Her bending seemed even more advance than the fire nation soldiers and admirals like Zhao who had more experience than her. By the time we see her at the age of 14 she has already mastered lightning generation, albeit recently.  Keep in mind that at this time, generating lightning was something only special masters could do like Iroh and Ozai who are some of the most powerful firebenders in the series.  Hell even Aang, Zuko, and Master Jong couldn't generate lightning, Aang and Zuko were only able to redirect it. Someone who has not mastered firebending can't possibly hope to master lightning generation, especially during the Gaang's time period. So Azula IS a firebending master, just not as experienced a master as Iroh and Ozai.

      "I do think that Toph was better at Earth bending than Azula was at Fire bending."

      Based off what?  We've never really seen Toph go against any notable bending masters besides other earth benders who were basically fodder compared to the likes of Azula. She rarily ever fought someone who was not an earthbender  She has never had a proper fight against Azula one on one so to think that she's better than her is unjustified.   

      "Katara was also better at her element than Azula"

      This I can actually agree with, since it is demonstrably true throughout book 2 and 3 when we see them fight each other.

      I am sure that by the time toph was in her 40s, she would of been the best Earth bender in the entire world, maybe even better than Kyoshi. 

      There is absolutely no way to verify this, we've never seen Kyoshi in battle before.

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    • Pheonixking3000 wrote:
      @AvatarReiko

      "Also, I dont think that Azula has fully mastered firebending. I think one has to train for years and have a lot of experience ti be claasfied as a master. Like, Iroh and Ozai would be  Fire bending masters."

      Just because Azula wasn't as good as Ozai or Iroh at the time doesn't mean she still can't be considered a true master.  Katara was regarded as a master at the age of 14 by Master Pakku who had decades of experience as a waterbending master.  Azula HAS trained in firebending for several years, even as a kid her firebending skills were prodigial and far beyond that of any average bender. Her bending seemed even more advance than the fire nation soldiers and admirals like Zhao who had more experience than her. By the time we see her at the age of 14 she has already mastered lightning generation, albeit recently.  Keep in mind that at this time, generating lightning was something only special masters could do like Iroh and Ozai who are some of the most powerful firebenders in the series.  Hell even Aang, Zuko, and Master Jong couldn't generate lightning, Aang and Zuko were only able to redirect it. Someone who has not mastered firebending can't possibly hope to master lightning generation, especially during the Gaang's time period. So Azula IS a firebending master, just not as experienced a master as Iroh and Ozai.

      "I do think that Toph was better at Earth bending than Azula was at Fire bending."

      Based off what?  We've never really seen Toph go against any notable bending masters besides other earth benders who were basically fodder compared to the likes of Azula. She rarily ever fought someone who was not an earthbender  She has never had a proper fight against Azula one on one so to think that she's better than her is unjustified.   

      "Katara was also better at her element than Azula"

      This I can actually agree with, since it is demonstrably true throughout book 2 and 3 when we see them fight each other.

      I am sure that by the time toph was in her 40s, she would of been the best Earth bender in the entire world, maybe even better than Kyoshi. 

      There is absolutely no way to verify this, we've never seen Kyoshi in battle before.


      I agree with you 100%, because Azula is definitely far stronger than Zhao, Jeong Jeong, and their likes at the point at which we see her introduction in the series. I mean, her display at 9 years old shows how well she can earthbend.

      Hmm... I think that Toph and Azula are even. Both trained for many, many years. Azula learned from the top notch education available in her world at the time, while Toph learned from the original source of earthbending, and practiced for years. Azula could shoot lightning at a young age, while Toph invented her own new style of earthbending at a young age. So, I'd put them at even, or probably even give it to Toph, because Toph inventing mentalbending like that it as impressive as Hama inventing bloodbending in the cages, and Iroh inventing lightning redirection. So, I'd put them as pretty even.

      Yes, Katara is definitely the bset prodigy in the show. Azula and Toph have both been training for yers from the best sources that they can get. Katara, on the other hand, only got such training for a few days, and, by that time, she became a master. Let's not forget how she beat Hama, a full blown waterbending master for many years, at her own game! And, of course, Katara's two confrontations with Azula individually, in which she was more than a match for the Fire Nation princess. Let's not forget how long both had been training.

      Hmm, true. Do you think that Toph had surpassed Bumi? Personally, I'd put Bumi at Uncle Iroh's and Ozai's level, so, it's hard to say. What do you think, Pheonixking3000?

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    • 1. Aang

      2. Fire Lord Ozai

      3.Iroh, Jeong Jeong, Bumi and Paaku

      5.Katara

      6.Azula and Toph

      7. Zuko

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    • ^Sounds about right :D

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    • TarrlokUltimateWaterbender wrote:
      ^Sounds about right :D


      Nice. Thats good. I am glad you agreed wih me. Although i was contemplating putting Katara above Paaku. Poor Zuzu. Even though he is a good fire bender and can redirect lightning, unfortunatell, there just too many good benders out there. Actually. Ozai wouldnt be second anymore. He is no longer a bender. hehe

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    • Lmfao I agree. Honestly, though, lightning redirection is pretty cheap XD Oh, also, Zuzu cna't beat Azula or even stalemate her. People refer to "The Boiling Rock", but they conveniently leave out how Sokka, at that point, was a formidable swordsman and actually kept Azula more at bay, forcing her to drop on the gondola, than Zuko did. Yet Azula was fighting on equal footing with Zuko and Sokka at once. Also, when the gondola was about to get chopped off, they were done for until Mai intervened, but she was perfectly fine.

      Which brings me to "The Southern Raiders". That was also not a stalemate. not only was Azula already somewhat insane, but she survived the fall on her with a smile on her face, while Zuko was completely done for, until Katara and Appa stepped in. Zuko always needs help or intervention to stalemate her.

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    • TarrlokUltimateWaterbender wrote:
      Lmfao I agree. Honestly, though, lightning redirection is pretty cheap XD Oh, also, Zuzu cna't beat Azula or even stalemate her. People refer to "The Boiling Rock", but they conveniently leave out how Sokka, at that point, was a formidable swordsman and actually kept Azula more at bay, forcing her to drop on the gondola, than Zuko did. Yet Azula was fighting on equal footing with Zuko and Sokka at once. Also, when the gondola was about to get chopped off, they were done for until Mai intervened, but she was perfectly fine.

      Which brings me to "The Southern Raiders". That was also not a stalemate. not only was Azula already somewhat insane, but she survived the fall on her with a smile on her face, while Zuko was completely done for, until Katara and Appa stepped in. Zuko always needs help or intervention to stalemate her.

      Completly agree. Whenever Zuko fights Azula he is always giving 100%, whereas Azula always seems comfatable. The only time Azula is ever overwhelmed is when someone tag teams her lol. Team Avatar have done that on many occasions. The only time I recall her being beaten, is by Katara. Its just one of those things. Some people are naturally gifted than others, and have the potential to go futher. Even as Zuko got older, I still dont think he would of been able to surpass Azula.
      The only thing that makes Zuko stand out and unique is his ability to redirect lightning, which was pivotal when dealing with Azula. he basically learned how to repel her finishing move. The Creators did that on purpose.

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    • Yeah, exactly. And, again, as far as stalemating her in her completely sane and calculated form goes, Zuko needed the help of Sokka and the intervention of Mai. Then, as far as stalemating her in her somewhat carzy mode, Zuko needs the intervention of Appa and Katara. The fight in "The Southenr Raiders" was no longer one on one the moment that Appa and Katara saved Zuko's plummeting to death self.

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    • TarrlokUltimateWaterbender wrote:
      Yeah, exactly. And, again, as far as stalemating her in her completely sane and calculated form goes, Zuko needed the help of Sokka and the intervention of Mai. Then, as far as stalemating her in her somewhat carzy mode, Zuko needs the intervention of Appa and Katara. The fight in "The Southenr Raiders" was no longer one on one the moment that Appa and Katara saved Zuko's plummeting to death self.


      yes i agree. What I never fanthomed is why Zuko never tried Azula's jet propulsion tcehnique when he was falling. Was it that he simply wasn't skilled enough to do it, or was he just being dumb. No seriously. It has been shown that Zuko can shoot fire from his feet, so why didn't he do it.

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    • Actually, Aang has managed to defeat Azula one time during the siege of ba sing se. Although it was a very tough fight for him, he still managed to defeat her and destroy that giant drill.

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    • Both lol. Just like how can't shoot lightning, he can't fly or propell himself, either. He can only temporarily do it. It's like how he can somewhat produce lightning, but it ends up blowing in his face. He would've done it wrong and died. Remember what happened when Aang first tried to firebend? And how Katara, before getting contrl of her waterbending, was splitting ice? It's the same thing haha. It would not end well for Zuko.

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    • Did you see Ozai's lightning against Zuko? it made Azula's lightning look like noodles

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    • Going from when they were both in their prime (prior to Azula's insanity and Ozai's loss of bending): I'm sure Ozai is a naturally talented firebender, but he focuses far too much on overwhelming power and almost none on actual techniques, apart from fire-gliding and lightning.  His lightning is certainly impressive, but most firebending opponents of his time who are able to give him a challenge (Iroh, Aang, Zuko) already know how to counter that attack.  Azula may not know the redirection technique, but of course she has lightning as well, although hers is somewhat less powerful and takes slightly longer to summon.

      As far as conventional firebending, with the exception of his battle with Aang (when he was enhanced by Sozin's comet) and his burning of Zuko (offscreen, which hardly took much effort) Ozai has never even been shown bending, let alone demonstrating anything impressive.  Again, he seems to favor overwhelming an opponent through sheer strength, striking blows of overwhelming power.  While this might work against opponents with a similar focus on sheer power, it would be exhausting and ineffective against an opponent as agile and tactic-focused as Azula.  She is particularly careful in almost all her battles (except for her Agni Kai against Zuko, when her mental state was extremely fragile) to conserve and focus the energy of her fire attacks in order to not exhaust herself, evading rather than using her power to block attacks.  Finally, there is the obvious fact that she can generate more powerful blue flames, which Ozai cannot (if he can, why the HELL didn't he use them against Aang).  It would take a bit of time, but in an Agni Kai between the two I definitely see Azula winning.

      Azula's also more dangerous on a mental level; Ozai never demonstrated anything particularly cunning during his tenure as Fire Lord except his Machiavellian usurping of Iroh after Azulon died.  Azula largely came up with his plan to burn the Earth Kingdom, as well as alerting the Fire Nation to the Eclipse, and taking down the Earth Kingdom almost single-handedly by winning over the Dai Li and (briefly) Zuko through sheer charisma and cunning.  Every time Team Avatar and their allies suffered a major defeat in Seasons Two and Three, it was Azula who was always much more directly responsible than Ozai.

      Ozai's powerful enough, and certainly intimidating as a presence and a source of cruelty, but I think Azula is much more truly dangerous as an opponent.

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