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  • Was Korra going to kill Tarrlok? Was she just going to burn him?

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    • Well she did try to attack him with fire, so.........

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    • If Tarrlok had taken the hit and not died, he probably would have been able to have her institutionalized.

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    • Seriously, what was korra thinking? She had to of known that a blast of fire could have killed him

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    • Maybe she was. I think you guys forget, most of the Avatars killed. Aang was the exception, not the rule.

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    • had korra actually killed tarrlok, it would have brought a lot of repercussions on her

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    • "I swear officers, this man who I have actively clashed with and threatened with boulders of considerable size in the past who has no prior criminal record tried to attack me! I only burned him to cinders in self defense! Honest!"

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    • Korra has her flaws but I am she would never kill anobody. She might not be able to connect with Aang but I'm sure she knows about all the amazing things that Aang did in his life. That fire blast would have probably just made Tarrlok unconsious. And Korra has mastered fire bending so I am pretty sure that she knows how to control it.

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    • With that temper of hers and the fact that she nearly crushed Tarrlok when he attempted to arrest a whole crowd of innocent non-benders, I'm not so sure.

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    • I think part of the reason Korra didn't kill anyone is because this TV show is rated for kids 7+. Kind of goes against the point if someone visibly dies. Painfully. 

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    • I think that Korra—being the impulsive, hasty decision-making girl that she is—made a rash decision out of anger. Had she gone through with her attack, she likely would've quickly regretted it. In short, I believe she would've killed Tarrlok, had she been given the chance.

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    • i don't think that fire blast would have killed tarlok even if it did make its mark - it probs would have been something like ozai's fire blast that scarred zuko. think about it - fire is a chemical reaction, and flame is the glowing gas that is released during that reaction. firebending twists it a little, b/c there's no actual fuel involved, it's their chi that ionizes the O2 gas into giving off light and heat. so anyway, that fireblast would have been like an airblast (firebending and airbending are strikingly similar, despite their differences). The only way tarlok would have died is from an infection or something from the burns. The flame would have only been contact with him for a few seconds, not enough for his skin to catch fire, so he would have only been burned.

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    • Fire blasts, at least the more powerful ones, tend to also carry a sizable kinetic payload, usually resulting on a small explosion on impact. Its possible that, along with third degree burns, said fire blast could fracture bone, potentially leading to internal hemmoraging. There's also the possibility that she would set him completely alight, which can easily have deadly consequences.

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    • Of course she was going to kill him, she's not a monk like Aang was, in fact Aang is the most  unusual Avatar in terms of how he deals with an evil person.  No matter how evil somebody is Aang would go at great lengths to prevent himself from killing them, it's one of his greatest character flaws.  Sometimes killing is the only sure solution to dealing with an antagonist.  Anyways, I think her fire blast would have incinerated him since she put all her rage and hatred into the blast.

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    • Pheonixking3000 wrote: Of course she was going to kill him, she's not a monk like Aang was, in fact Aang is the most  unusual Avatar in terms of how he deals with an evil person.  No matter how evil somebody is Aang would go at great lengths to prevent himself from killing them, it's one of his greatest character flaws.  Sometimes killing is the only sure solution to dealing with an antagonist.  Anyways, I think her fire blast would have incinerated him since she put all her rage and hatred into the blast.

      Thank you, finally I find someone who agrees with me about Aang.

      But seriously, Korra was going to kill him and if she had, really, who outside of Saikhan and the Council would have cared. If nothing else it would have endeared her to the legions of oppressed non-benders. Wonder what Amon would have done then, family wise and political position wise.

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    • I would think it would only paint her as a savage brute who only uses violence to solve problems. Not exactly what people tend to look up to.

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    • Seeing as how Tarrlok and the other Council members minus Tenzin enacted a series of unpopular laws such as the luckily takes prisoners Task Force and the non-bender curfews, you think the vast majority would at least be grateful.

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    • The Air Nomad Critic wrote:
      I would think it would only paint her as a savage brute who only uses violence to solve problems. Not exactly what people tend to look up to.

      Why would it make her a savage brute? 

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    • The Air Nomad Critic wrote:
      Fire blasts, at least the more powerful ones, tend to also carry a sizable kinetic payload, usually resulting on a small explosion on impact. Its possible that, along with third degree burns, said fire blast could fracture bone, potentially leading to internal hemmoraging. There's also the possibility that she would set him completely alight, which can easily have deadly consequences.


      well...not really. let's look at a flame thrower irl - it's a fuel being lit up and thrown at a target. even a high powered one doesn't have the ability to throw heavy objects - the fuel is gaseous or liquid. with firebending, the fuel is a firebender's chi - it "reacts" with the o2 in the atmosphere and excites and heats it. probending flames throw athletes, but korra's flames weren't nearly the size of those. throwing that at someone isn't gonna do a whole lot of physical damage, aside from burns like zuko's, much less crack his bones. the flame isn't hot enough to cause third degree burns. it wouldn't explode on impact, b/c there's nothing to blow up - no fuel. even irl, the fuel wouldn't burn any faster just b/c it hit something. it also wouldn't completely set him alight, because there's nothing that would burn easily. flesh doesn't tend to catch fire very well, and his hair was tied back. unless his clothes were covered with some sort of highly flamable substance (like gasoline (there wasn't any) or some material in the wall that he was thrown through), they wouldn't have lit up and spread very quickly.

      another thing, if a little off topic, what's the deal with firebending in probending? fireballs, even if given enough force to throw someone back, should cause some heat damage. it seems a little odd to me that with the fire flying nothing's been set alight, and their uniforms are totally fine.

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    • It's always been a trait of Firebending in Avatar that the fire acts mostly like a punch & doesn't burn, as a rule. Have you not noticed this? The only "realistic" explanation is that the concussive force comes from an explosion.

      Also, the uniforms are probably insulated. Since you aren't supposed to use "flamethrower" moves, they shouldn't catch alight.

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    • @ Pheonix

      Attempting to murder someone because you disagree with them tends to do that. He committed no crime, at least none that could be proven in the court of law, yet she felt like she could be the excecutioner. Unless "I'm the Avatar, I'm right" is an acceptable legal defense in that world, Korra would be in deep trouble.

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    • @ The Air Nomad Critic

      Honestly it depends on the situation man and usually when an antagonist is killed by the protagonist of any story it's because the hero disagreed with them and their actions, so I don't understand the relevance of that point.  Tarlock was clearly corrupt and abusing his powers when he had control of the police force, if things would have kept up in his favor things would have turned very badly very fast.  In just a few short days of time Tarlock had already stripped multiple rights from non-benders and even tricked people into breaking his corrupted laws.

      Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Who's to say that Tarlock wouldn't have eventually started executing non-benders for being out of curfew instead of just arresting them?  He bribed the Chief of the metalbender police to ignore the demands of Korra despite the fact that she was an avatar.  This implies that he actually convinced him that he was more powerful than Korra, so that shows a lot about how miniscule the respect people had for Korra was in book 1.  The people and even the police force knew Tarlock was breaking the law by commiting corrupt acts so if the law is already convinced you broke the crime then that's enough.  So I don't think it would be considered murder since it would be a justifiable kill, otherwise many innocent people might have lost their lives to his corruption.

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    • It doesn't really matter. As corrupt as Tarrlock appeared, he had not committed any crime. One could speculate all day long as to what he would have done if he had not been stopped, but the fact is, Tarrlock was innocent in the eyes of the law. If people were killed for simply being corrupt, at least half the politicians of any world would be six feet under. One cannot act upon what a person could do, as that turns into one very slippery slope.

      In the past, Avatars have indeed killed their enemies, but they were observably destructive and antagonistic. Tarrlock, as corrupt as he was, commited no act that would warrant death.

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    • I'm not sure all of you realize something. First of all, as has been stated before, Korra would not have restrained herself from killing Tarrlok simply because she was the Avatar. Her temper is great enough to fuel her attacks so that she could kill regardless of intent. If she had attacked Tarrlok and taken his life, she would have regretted it only after she realized the severity of her actions. In actuality, Tenzin would have needed to alert her of her crime before she realized what was going on.

      Second, it seems to me as if some of you think Tarrlok's underhanded demeanor could not have been proven in a court of law. Had Tarrlok been taken to appear at court, both the masses and Korra's acquaintances could have testified against Tarrlok and his crimes. It's not so much that Tarrlok's actions went unnoticed; they were indeed very blatant at times, but the rest of the Council and other government officials chose to turn a blind eye in favor of their own positions—and perhaps their lives. Think of Tarrlok as Emperor Nero of the Ancient Roman Empire (for those of you that are familiar with ancient history). Upon Nero's ascension to power, he made sure that all resistance was crushed and that he would retain his position as the most powerful man in the Empire. One of his advisors, Seneca the Younger, once told Nero that "in a crisis, great emperors must sometimes rule as gods rule". Nero took this to heart and perfomed acts of terror that eventually cost him his life, but he believed he could do it because he thought he was, in essence, a god. Relating this to Tarrlok, he believed that he could do what he wanted as long as he could retain his position of power—whether it was suppressing the masses from uprising or attempting to get the Avatar herself on his personal team of corrupt officials and dignitaries. His reign of terror ensured that all witnesses and objects of suspicion turned away from the matter in an attempt to save their own fragile lives. 

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    • Being clever about gaining power is not against the law. Aside from possible charges of wrongful imprisonment, which could easily be blamed on bad information rather than malicious intent, there didn't seem to be any evidence of illegal behavior, let alone behavior that would warrant the death penalty

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    • @ The Air Nomatic Critic

      So you don't think Tarrlock shutting down the people's power at their homes and forcing them to come out to complain and then arresting them all for being out after curfew is blatantly corrupt and malicious?  There is plenty of blatant evidence of Tarlock's corruption, however trying to testify against him would not have done any good since he was pretty much in complete control of the police force.  How are you going to testify against someone who can bend the law as he pleases?  

      Against people with that kind of power, the only way to stop them is to kill them.  I think it's quite silly of you to think that the corruption would have just stopped at simply arresting non-benders for being out of curfew.  The laws definitely would have gotten stricter and the punishments would have become more extreme causing unrest and eventually result in many deaths.

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    • I do indeed think there is a self-interest component. I just don't think it is a justification for murder. Taking the law into one's own hands simply because a court may not rule in their favor is not a good road to go down; thats how lynchings happen. Its the same reason that the feds didn't just up and murder Al Capone despite his reputation. Besides, unless Tarrlok paid off every single judge, lawyer, and possible jury in the URN, there is always a chance of conviction.

      Again, would haves and could have beens hold no place in the court of law. If Tarrlok had indeed tightened laws, the people can vote him out. If he abuses the laws to the point of violating basic human rights, then the other nations and the Avatar can intervene and inflict punishment appropriate for the crime. Until then, however, neither the Avatar nor the other nations could do squat without looking like tyrants and invaders. Its not perfect, but then, nothing in the world is.

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    • "If Tarrlok had indeed tightened laws, the people can vote him out. If he abuses the laws to the point of violating basic human rights, then the other nations and the Avatar can intervene and inflict punishment appropriate for the crime."

      But Tarlock was already taking basic human rights away when he put nonbenders on a curfew just because they weren't benders.  It's kind of like the stop and frisk policy that was placed on blacks where if they looked "suspicious" then they can be stopped by the police and frisked as if they were criminals.  Murder is unlawful killing of an innocent person, Tarlock was not innocent and he was slowly abolishing the rights of the civilians so it definitely would have justified Korra killing him.  The people don't posess the power to vote Tarrlock out, only the council did and they agreed with him.

      Tarlock was becoming more and more corrupt and brutal as he gained more power and it was rapidly getting worse.  Putting him on trial would have done no good because again he had complete control of the police force, the council, and the chief himself, he practically had everyone paid off in a sense.  Nobody in positions of power even cared what he was doing to nonbenders except Tenzin, Korra and her gang.  No ordinary person or government official even tried to go against him because he had too much power.

      "Again, would haves and could have beens hold no place in the court of law."

      There are no would haves and could haves in this situation, Tarlock was already doing what he pleased and it didn't show any signs of receding.  Hell, he didn't even deny the fact that he was oppressing the non-benders when Korra confronted him because it was blatantly obvious, to say otherwise is silly.  And the police force was completely ok with it, only Tenzin and Korra's gang did anything about it.  

      The only reason Tarlock was even arrested in the first place was because they learned that he was a bloodbender, they didn't give a crap about the obvious oppression of the non-benders.  It's likely that having a bloodbender as part of the council would have made THEM look bad as bloodbending is clearly illegal in RC. However the oppession of non-benders didn't seem to be against the law.  So the entire council is pretty much corrupt except for Tenzin.  Seriously, do you honestly think Korra and the nonbenders had a chance at testifying against Tarrlock in court when he had control over the law?

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    • Actually, the fact that Korra would lose a murder trial due to his actions is exactly what I was originally trying to prove until we got sidetracked into a conversation as to if Tarrlok would be convicted in a war crimes trial. The fact is, other than what Korra heard in her meeting with Tarrlok, there was no solid evidence of any illegal wrongdoings and a fair amount that would suggest Korra would be hostile enough towards Tarrlok as to kill him. At most, people would see Tarrlok's actions as incompetent rather than malevolent, and even then necessary to fight the Equalist threat, much in the same way governments tend to exert more control over the populace in response to outside threats in the real world. Korra's actions, on the other hand, would most likely seem impulsive and reckless, especially considering Tarrlok had done nothing to warrant a death penalty and the only eyewitness, the guy who outed him as a bloodbender, would only have seen Korra shove him through a wall and set him on fire. Imposing kerfews and wrongful arrest are hardly grounds for the death penalty, and going on about what he was going to do would do absolutely nothing with Tarrlok dead and unable to testify.

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    • Alright, this is a bunch of bollocks.

      First of all, Tarrlok staged the arrest. That's blatantly obvious. So we've got wrongful imprisonment, criminal conspiracy, abuse of the law, abuse of office, & a whole bunch of other high-profile charges against him. There are a ton of witnesses that can attest to this, & a little digging would probably show records that reciprocated. Who ordered the power to be shut down? Who ordered the perimeter & arrests? Hmm.... The only way he'd get away without a life sentence is with more corruption.

      Secondly, HE ATTACKED KORRA WITH THE INTENT TO KILL. Did everyone just forget the water blades & ice spikes that he came out swinging with? If forensics in this world is worth even half a crap, which they should be, because Sokka was established at being good enough to solve crimes that happened OVER A CENTURY AGO, they could prove self-defense.

      Now, the argument might be raised that, once Korra knocked him out of his office, he was defenseless. But the whole situation would be considered a mitigating factor. If he had made an effort to run away, then it would be more likely to be considered "in cold blood."

      Tarrlok's crimes are serious, & they can be proven. Ultimately, he fell to less stringent standards than this. Now, Republic City doesn't seem to have a death penalty, but the case that Korra was engaging in reasonable self-defense is pretty solid.

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    • ^ The whole self defense thing didn't even come to mind for me.  Yea well in that case she is even more justified to kill Tarrlock then as he initially tried to kill her first.

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    • Tarrlok's scheming seems obvious to us, having seen the rest of the series. To those in Republic City, the lines may not be so clear; behavior during the Red Scare in our own world, the inspiration for much of Tarlok's behavior, reflects this very well. Many in Republic City probably believed that there was genuine Equalist activity in the area, and the authorities were just trying to drive them out. Plus, the accidental arrests can be easily explained away with "We got some bad intel. It happens." With all the stuff going on during the Equalist Revolution, one could say some mix ups were bound to happen, and with all that Tarrlok had already done, chances are the public would go easy on him.

      The only witnesses of the initial attack were Korra and Tarrlok, and considering a lot of the evidence would have either melted away or been too destructive to give any useful information (ballistic forensics works fairly well in our own time since bullets tend to leave a nice clean trail and can't be mistaken for debris, as firebending and earthbending tend not to). In the end, it comes down to what was said in Tarrlok's chambers, and in that scenario, once again, it is the word of a fairly upstanding citizen with no criminal record against that of a violent young girl with a criminal record who has threatened this guy in the past. Plus, the additional eyewitness account of his page would most likely not paint Korra in a good light. Even if Korra pleads self defense, her behavior prior to the encounter doesn't exactly make her look like a victim.

      Also, Neo Bahamut, please refrain from calling an opinion "bollocks" because you disagree with it. It comes off as rather rude.

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    • Jeez, what does Tarrlock have to do to finally make it clear, must he kill every nonbender to wake everyone up? All of Tarrlocks crimes against the people were blatant and perfectly clear that everyone knew he was doing it.  Even the common folk are aware of it, why do you think they were outside to begin with?  He deliberatly turned off the power to their homes and baited them to come out so he could wrongfully arrest them.  Korra only threatened him after he tried to wrongfully arrest those people and her friends.  Not only that but the Task force and even the council allowed him to do this, blatant sign of very corrupted government and law.  I don't think that if they were to testify against Tarrlock they would not have won no matter what.  The crimes are obviously true but nobody seemed to care about it, well nobody in positions of power that is besides maybe Tenzin.

      If Tarrlock didn't lose his bending and wasn't exposed as a bloodbender he would have definitely needed to be killed by the avatar.

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    • It might not be as clear as you might think. Lets take a real life analogue to make things a bit more clear. If, during the Red Scare, the FBI shut off the power of a neighborhood allegedly due to suspicions of communist activity, would you expect a massive upheaval of the American public? More than likely, people would have just accepted it as a measure to keep the country safe from those darn pinkos. If word got out that innocent people got wrongly tied up in the affair, there might be some commotion, but a lot of people would just rationalize it with the usual "collateral damage" train of thought.

      Tarrlok's schemes seem perfectly clear to us, as we know him very well due to his inclusion in Korra's life. The common clay of Republic City, however, most likely will not, and simply see what Tarrlok has wanted them to see: a noble crusader against the villainy of the Equalist movement.

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    • Korra portraying communist witchhunts and the Red scare analogue now that's just frightening. My grandparents told me somethings about it, not fun times in our nations history.

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    • "Also, Neo Bahamut, please refrain from calling an opinion "bollocks" because you disagree with it. It comes off as rather rude."

      Oh, don't give me that. The notion that Tarrlok "didn't commit a crime" is bollocks. He did, & it would be easy to prove. Speaking of rude, I don't much appreciate it when I lay down the facts so logically, & it's downgraded to mere "disagreement."

      "Tarrlok's scheming seems obvious to us, having seen the rest of the series."

      It's obvious because the whole scheme can be easily reconstructed with a little detective work.

      "To those in Republic City, the lines may not be so clear; behavior during the Red Scare in our own world, the inspiration for much of Tarlok's behavior, reflects this very well."

      You're making huge assumptions so you don't have to admit that you're wrong. Stahp.

      "The only witnesses of the initial attack were Korra and Tarrlok, and considering a lot of the evidence would have either melted away or been too destructive to give any useful information"

      We see that Korra is covered with cuts, & the area behind where she was standing is likely damaged as well, as is the wall that she raised to protect herself. This indicates that Tarrlok was throwing a lot of attacks at a relatively stationary target, from his desk. Korra Earthbent the wall behind him, but she just rotated it, it's mostly unharmed. This means that police can glean just how one-sided the fight really was from it. All accounts agree that the confrontation began in his office, so this is likely the attack that forced him outside, especially considering that it breaks through the wall. This is where Korra destroyed the Council Room floor & administered the final blow. Even if the corpse is burnt to the point where it's barely in-tact, it would still be possible to detect any broken bones or deep-cutting lacerations. There wouldn't be, which indicates that the only attack that posed a risk to Tarrlok's life would have been the final 2 fireballs, which ultimately killed him (in this hypothetical). All of this would be consistent with Korra's account.

      And you want to talk about support? Korra would have it from everyone that Tarrlok wrongfully arrested. That's a lot of people.

      "it is the word of a fairly upstanding citizen with no criminal record against that of a violent young girl with a criminal record who has threatened this guy in the past."

      No, you're trying to MAKE it come down to this. Why does Tarrlok not have a criminal record? I just said that he committed several obvious, high-profile crimes. "Well," you argue, "they'll just assume that it was an innocent misunderstanding, & go easy on him." Bloody NO. You can't say that they'll ignore evidence JUST because it supports what you're arguing, & if your whole case comes down to the assumption that all decisions will be driven by stereotypes, it's not a very good argument.

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    • I'm not saying he didn't commit a crime. I'm saying that, to most people in Republic City, his actions were justified, unsuccessful as they were.

      Yes, it is a disagreement, pretty much per definition. You have your view on how events could have played out, and I have mine. People here on the wiki have the right to post their opinion without having their ideas insulted, as many pointed out back in the Modernization: Good or Bad thread.

      I'm making assumptions due to the fact that we simply don't know how all of Republic City reacted to the news.

      I'm not sure how having a one sided fight proves that Tarrlok started the fight. All the evidence seems to just point to where the elements used in the fight came from, not necessarily who struck first or what was said.

      I apologize, I misspoke. I should have said "No official criminal record at the time his murder would have occured". He wasn't convicted of any false imprisonment charges at the time he would have been murdered (most likely said charges would have been passed to his men), and as for the others, it depends on how well he covered his tracks.

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    • "Yes, it is a disagreement, pretty much per definition. You have your view on how events could have played out, and I have mine."

      When one of us is actually looking at facts, & the other is mostly just speculating, I consider it insulting to be told that my argument is on the same plane.

      "I'm making assumptions due to the fact that we simply don't know how all of Republic City reacted to the news."

      Exactly. Show me where there's any indication that they would react like this, & then we'll talk. Who cares about the Red Scare? This isn't the Red Scare, & I fail to see how it's similar enough. For starters, most of the population are non-benders who have next to nothing to lose from the Equalists, so why would they "not care" about all of these curfews & wrongful arrests, which are happening to THEM?

      "I'm not sure how having a one sided fight proves that Tarrlok started the fight. All the evidence seems to just point to where the elements used in the fight came from, not necessarily who struck first or what was said."

      "Who struck first & what was said" doesn't matter, the question is who resorted to deadly force first. The damage to the structures provides evidence for who attacked & where they did. There are no burns or gashes behind where Tarrlok was standing, but there are around where Korra was standing. We know there wasn't a lot of moving around during the fight because the office is mostly in-tact, & with all of the water, there's also likely to be footprints. Korra's wounds would be consistent with defensive wounds from projectiles shot at her.

      "No official criminal record at the time his murder would have occured".

      Okay, fine, so he was up for a crime at the same time as Korra was trying to prove self-defense.

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    • We're both looking at facts, just drawing different conclusions. Nothing to get insulted over.

      As for the Red Scare, this tidbit is from Tarrlok's page:

      Tarrlok's actions in keeping the Equalist threat at bay were almost identical to those of Alexander Palmer and Joseph McCarthy, two powerful men in the United States government during the late 1920s and the early 1950s, respectively. Both men were instigators of the "Red Scares", periods in American history where anti-communist sentiments were high. Between the two scares, a law was enacted, making it illegal for anyone to be even affiliated in even the most remote context with the Communist party.

      • Palmer was famous for the "Palmer raids", nighttime surprise attacks conducted on alleged communist cells, a parallel to Tarrlok's midnight raid on the Equalist bunker in the Dragon Flats district.
      • McCarthy was suspected of having ties with high-level security officers, just like Tarrlok and the Chief of Police.

      So yea, it is similar. While it is not the Red Scare, it draws heavily from that period in history.

      The office is far from intact, actually. The floor is completely torn up from Korra's initial earthbending attack, and the entire back part of the fountain behind Tarrlok's desk was blown out. Plus, there weren't many impact zones behind Tarrlok due to the fact that he was able to block some of Korra's attacks, including a very dangerous looking fire blast, not to mention that part of the room is rubble by the time the fight is over. From the look of the place at the end of the fight, along with the fact that Korra threatened Tarrlok prior, I don't think it would be a large stretch to assume Korra was the one who instigated the fight.

      But of course, my ideas are "bollocks" so I think I'll stop here.

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    • She would probably have, but this is a kids show... if it wasn't, then bloodbending would kill people a LOT faster than it looks like it takes in the show... just a few seconds of playing around with 70% of the body and putting it out of order and flow at all is DEADLY!

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    • Still, it would be interesting to see the fallout from her actions. They could have gone through with it if they had done the scene in a different manner, but then most kids don't like to see the hero kill anyone.

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    • Personally, I think that it would've been hella epic for Korra to learn bloodbending herself, go crazy with the power, and be the only person who can stop herself, creating a giant internal struggle... but hey, what do I know? XD

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    • Seriously, though... the way that Tarrlok subdued Tenzin, Lin, Mako, Asami, Bolin, the new Chief of Police, and other people whom I can't currently remember, especially for the amount of time that he did it... they should have DIED, not KO'D, but DIED! And very brutally and painfully at that...

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    • "What if Tarrlok didn't bloodbend Korra?"

      "Korra: What are you gonna do now? You're all out of water, pal. Tarrlok moves away in fear as Korra begins to firebend from her palms. She runs toward him intending to vaporize him,"

      Self defense up to the point Tarrlok becomes helpless. Now, this is personal revenge for what Tarrlok has done to her friends, to her, to the council. IF Avatar Korra killed Tarrlok now, she committed some from of murder / killing. No witnesses but Korra.

      Korra could have earthbended Tarrlok with a cylindar from the ground like the earthbenders did to Iroh in the first series. and called law enforcement like Chief Beifong said.

      "She runs toward him intending to vaporize him," The obvious endgame would have been -- Dark Avatar. And that would be a nice episode.

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    • Even if it were an "adult" show, they probably wouldn't have died. That's not the point of Bloodbending.

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    • With the amount of time that he's bloodbending them, yes they would have... playing around with 70% of the human body is EXTREMELY dangerous, even for a few seconds, let alone a minute or up.

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    • It was actually only a few seconds. More likely than immediate death is brain damage from being forcefully knocked unconscious. In any case, "more adult" doesn't necessarily mean "more realistic." Case in point, "knocked out" is often still used as a shorthand for "harmlessly subdued," when it's actually very dangerous if it lasts for more than a minute or 2.

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    • But a minute of screwing around with 70% of the body is EXTREMELY dangerous to the vital organs... it shouldn't even take that long... a few seconds to knock out, a few seconds to completely end the person's water flow and all... or to crush organs and compress... it really should take a minute at most to kill.

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    • And, during the seconds that make up the minute, the person should be in extreme, excruciating pain, unable to talk... especially if we're screwing with 70% of his or her body.

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    • I'm surprised he survived her earthbending attack... Seriously, she smashed him with a wall! Against another wall! And I don't doubt she was about to kill Tarrlok,she was performing a double fire punch at point blank range!

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    • I'm surprised that Korra survived getting bloodbent long enough to the point where she was having a conversation with Tarlok -_- Again, the plot is going to have to allow some things that don't make sense to slide, or else a LOT of people would be dead... hell, remember Hama? Do you really think that, without plot armor, someone like her would simply imprison the civilians? No, she would bloodbend them to death. However, Tarrlok was not trying to kill Team Avatar, Lin, Tenzin, etc., so he was very gentle and careful when he bloodbent them. Obviously, he couldn't have been using all of their water, because otherwise they'd be dead. Same for Noatak, or rather "Amon", since his goal was never to kill anyone, but to detain people and make them powerless.

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    • bloodbending, yes, is dangerous by principle. like you said, messing with about 70% of a person's body mass isn't a nice thing. however, bloodbending doesn't mean you stop all waterflow in your victim's body, you just manipulate the direction of flow to control their body. also, you don't take away all of their control, their muscles and nerves and stuff still work, it's just harder for them to move, because, well, they're holding you. it would be akin to someone physically holding your arm - you can still resist, but it's harder to move. you can still grab hold of a body of water and have it flow while under your control. there are countless examples of water still moving on its own while under the direction of a waterbender - one being the huge globule that tarlok's task force was using to break into the equalist training camp.

      also, i don't believe hama would have killed those prisoners had it been an adult show - the point was for them to suffer in the same way she had, which was imprisonment.

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    • Rewatch the episode Hama "Very" heavily implies "all but says" that she "killed" people perfecting her bloodbending and she was going to kill sokka and Aang for the express of purpose of forcing Katara to learn bloodbending. Hama has killed people before. Anybody know what happened to the other waterbenders that were locked up with Hama? Did they pass away, because I think if there were other waterbenders when Hama learned this technique she could have used it to break out others, any idea?

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    • @Intelligence4 That's not true at all. It is not the same as grabbing someone's arm... you are playing around with 70% of the body, which the muscles, veins, and nerves are filled with... it's completely different... it's like telekinesis, except with more acute control. That is why bloodbending is so dangerous and painful... again, 10 seconds of it should be enough to kill the person. It's completely different from grabbing someone... it's bending something that fills up their skin, muscles, organs, eyes, and flesh... completely different from just grabbing someone... it's turning them into your puppet, much like telekinesis, except that you can use bloodbending to overload their brain, pop their heart, etc.

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    • @Empressofmelnibone I agree with almost everything that you said, but I actually wonder if she was going to kill Sokka and Aang... I mean, although she tortures the innocent, they're still technically kind of on her side, right? I mean, both sieds are against the FN o.O I think that Hama was actually the last waterbender, which is all the more saddening :/ I don't know why most people seem to forget how tragic Hama's past was... it easily wins the most depressing story in both shows combined :/ A young teenage girl who got her entire civilization taken by a genoicde, captured, enslaved, tortured, experienced all this firsthand and watched everyone from her civilization whom she'd loved experience it... and then she broke out as the last waterbender and couldn't go back home because it was too dangerous, so she was forced to live amongst people whom she hated :(

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    • And, just like they do to plants, they could always just extract the water from their skin, muscles, organs, eyes, veins, and nerves, completely killing the opponent o.O

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    • Again, all those things are filled with water, just like plants, so it's impossible to resist and that's why, in real fights with all plot armor off, it never happened. That's why the only limits listed on the wiki are against a better waterbender, the avatar state, and only on a physical level... and bloodbenders could also use the water to crush organs... their arsenal for taking complete control and killing are limitless, when the only thing not completely filled with water in the body are the bones -_- Which only make 30% of the body's weight... and, as we've already said, the remaining 70% is... you guessed it: WATER XD

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    • TarrlokUltimateWaterbender wrote:
      @Empressofmelnibone I agree with almost everything that you said, but I actually wonder if she was going to kill Sokka and Aang... I mean, although she tortures the innocent, they're still technically kind of on her side, right? I mean, both sieds are against the FN o.O I think that Hama was actually the last waterbender, which is all the more saddening :/ I don't know why most people seem to forget how tragic Hama's past was... it easily wins the most depressing story in both shows combined :/ A young teenage girl who got her entire civilization taken by a genoicde, captured, enslaved, tortured, experienced all this firsthand and watched everyone from her civilization whom she'd loved experience it... and then she broke out as the last waterbender and couldn't go back home because it was too dangerous, so she was forced to live amongst people whom she hated :(

      Thank you TarrlokUltimateWaterbender.

      Thank you for actually getting what I was saying. I always hated how in the show the kids were so judgemental and self rightous, there in a "War" do they honestly expect people not to do horrible things in order to live. What Hama did was horrible but what was done "to her" would have caused anyone to break and go insane so I can completely understand using bloodbending against her captors but what I never understood was what could she have been doing from the time she escaped to the time of her meeting Katara and the others? Imagine how much damage she could have done to the Fire Nation if each full moon she bloodbended and took out a Fire Nation fleet of soldiers or even went to the Northern Water Tribe taught bloodbending and had a group of them take out Fire Nation soldiers. So much potential plot story wasted.

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    • No problem :) Haha yeah... it pisses me off the double standards that so many fans carry... when someone like Zuko does something horrible, then it's because, aw he had such a horrible past, because his life sucks OH SO much... and when someone like Hama does what she did... then she's a psycho that needs to be handled like a normal criminal? WHAT THE HELL?! No one, not even Katara (who also had to deal with the extermination of her civilization) or Aang (same thing) had Hama's kind of tragic past... I mean, they've both been captured and nearly killed, but they had friends... and remember how Aang seeing the remains of the air nomads went into avatar state? Imagine how being there while your genocide happens in front of your very eyes, and being a part of the genocide, itself feels.

      Also, bloodbending is not like arm grabbing... it's like telekinesis and controlling the water in the muscles, veins, nerves, organs, eyes, and flesh... which they could also drain from the body completely o.O

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    • That's a image worthy of Halloween Frightfest. Maybe i'll use it for my Avatar fanfics.

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    • Finally someone with an ounce of sanity in the forum, what a change. Yeah did you find it as weird as I did that Aang seems to have "no" trouble after that episode in accepting his people were all dead, and he seems to hold absolutely no grudge against the Fire Nation? What twelve year old is going to take the 'Extermination" of there "Race" as calmly as Aang did, I mean seriously.

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    • LMFAO IT REALLY IS A HALLOWEEN THING, ISN'T IT? XD

      Lmao aw thanks XD You too :) I really did find it weird... I swear, if I was the avatar... lmfao XD And you know what else got on my nerves? How Aang REFUSED TO KILL OZAI! I get that he's an air nomad and all, but does he not remember what Yangchen, another air nomad, tol him? And, that too, Aang has even MORE of a reason for killing -_- Seriously, if Aang had fought straight for the kill like his psat lives had advised him, then Ozai would've been dead before Aang could tap into avatar state XD Especially when Ozai said that stupid crap "you are weak, your people did not deserve to exist in my world" WTF?!

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    • Maybe I can actually make some changes to this in my fanfics.

      But then we wouldn't have the Zuko mother story comics. But yeah the look on Ozai's face when Aang goes all Avatar stae was priceless. Avatar Yangchen all but said she killed people and so did Kyoshi, and even Roku advised Aang to kill Zuko if needed. I believe that people should be given a second chance and stuff but really if there that big a threat it's not safe to have them be alive.

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    • Hold on, we're getting really off topic here XD I'll message you haha :)

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    • K.

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    • In complete fairness, Zuko changes, & the point with Aang wasn't "he doesn't kill because he's an Air Nomad," it was "He does what he thinks is right, regardless of what anyone else says."

      Anyhow, Bloodbending. Since it's so hard to perform AT ALL, you probably can't just split someone open & suck out the fluids. Crushing organs likely takes a bit of time, & effort. You can see the strain on Yakone's face as he's trying to kill Aang.

      When does Hama ever imply that she's killed? I do think she would if it were an adult show. The whole point of the "they deserve the same" line is just to justify, in the plot, why she couldn't just kill people. To keep these people alive, she would have to be giving them food, water, & a place to make duty where the fumes can't get all over them probably wouldn't hurt either. I can't see such a vengeful woman going through all of that trouble.

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    • No. I completely disagree about Zuko, but that is a whole other debate for a whole other place. If you want to debate, then message me on my wall.

      It would not take much time at all. And that's because Aang's also a waterbender, so it's obviously not as easy. And it is really not hard for someone who can control water to control a huge supply of water standing right in front of them XD And, no, playing around with that much of the body is extremely dangerous, even for a few seconds. It should not have taken Yakone much time to kill Aang at all... and he did almost kill Aang, rememer? And crushing organs would not be ahrd for someone's who's mastered waterbending. It's like splitting ice, like Katara's done.

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    • Obviously, they're not going to show Yakone kill Aang on screen... did you see how effortlessly he knocked Aang out? That shouldn't have knocked him out... that should have killed him... same with Tarrlok against Tenzin, Lin, Asami, Mako, Bolin, etc. and Tarrlok against Korra. Especially with their amount of practice, they should be able to easily crush organs and stop the heart, if they can knock people out so easily... but it's not a mature content show, so they're not going to show it... plus, waterbenders would be insane and dangerous and unstoppable if they were allowed... but stopping the heart and crushing organs would not take time at all... it's a positioning of the hands and a clench of the fists... then, the person's dead. Again, screwing around with 70% of the body like it's your own little toy is extremely lethal.

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    • I don't see any point to debating. With the Bloodbending, I can really say is, "That's the way it's written, if you don't like it, IDKWYWMTDAI." Bodies are just much harder to Bend. With Zuko, part of the reason he gets more sympathy is because he switches sides. That's a verifiable fact.

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    • Did you see how tarrlok "floated" Korra down the stairs in the episode where Korra gets those flashes of Aang's memories. Her eyes are dialated a clear sign of something Very wrong, her arms are "Bent" backwards, her fingers are twisted, and her legs are bent completely unnaturally. You can hear her bones grinding in that scene. What do you think Tarrlok could do to the brain, organs, or even if he wanted to pop open a nerve cluster? It also would be ridiculously easy to pop a vein in the brain and have a hemorraghe, dead in seconds.

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    • ^You said it all lmao I agree with you whole heartedly, Empress XD

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    • @Neo Again, if you want to talk about Zuko, then message me on my wall. His hot headed attitude of blowing up at everyone and whining about his problems like he's had it the worse (not true, despite some emotional neglect, he spent most of his life GROWING UP A FREAKING PRINCE ON THE WINNING SIDE OF THE WAR!), but, again, message me on my wall.

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    • Also, bloodbending would be a much more effective and raw form of healing than the bastardized putting water on smeone to heal -_- Wtf lmfao...

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    • There's nothing to talk about. I don't care why you don't like him, what I said was, "One reason that he gets more sympathy than Hama is because he changes sides."

      Bloodbending does not have some untapped healing potential. The Bender does not have a fine enough control over the water in the body to do more than move it around or crush parts of it. And, you know, full moon. Anything that it could do, healing would be able to do better.

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    • Oh, alright, I am very sorry for getting so defensive.

      Again, like I said, when the water's right there in front of you, then you should be able to bend it. Yes, it does have some awesome healing potential. You could use the water that the body is filled with to cut open the body, fix wounds, or remove them from the body. I see it as very good surgery :)

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    • Not a problem.

      For whatever reason, Waterbenders just can't easily Bloodbend. Of course, we know this is to keep them from being OP, but in any case, Bloodbending may have a surgical component, but it would easily be eclipsed by healing, which can do the same things, & then some, & also on any old day of the week.

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    • I agree with everything that you just said, now that you put it that way :D Glad that we could come to a common ground :) I apologize for any brash, aggressive comments that I might've posted, if you considered my comments that way.

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    • There's really no need to apologize. I might have gotten a little short as well, it's just that I rarely formally apologize unless I do something that really went too far. Or I step on someone's foot, or something.

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    • Haha, you didn't :D Cool beans XD

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