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  • Yue said that the ocean spirit gives the water tribes life and the moon spirit gives them power. Why didn't he kill the moon spirit and just get rid of the water tribes as a factor? Or kill both?

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    • I have no idea.

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    • Because if one were to disturb the balance of the oceans, that would likely mean bad news for the Fire Nation Navy.

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    • Now that I look at that, you're correct, TANC.

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    • For all you know the oceans could completely dry up or cause a massive worldwide flood or tsunami that could engulf the entire Earth Kingdom.

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    • And how would that affect an island nation as opposed to a whole continent, I wonder? Or one who's power relies heavily on its mastery of the seas?

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    • Of course those are just the extremes. The more likely would be constant storms raging across the oceans.

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    • Which would probably bite the Fire Nation much more than the other nations. How does one keep supply lines open for an invasion force with that sort of weather?

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    • Well, yes, but I don't think Zhao was smart enough to look at the big picture. The loss of the moon would also porbably affect everybody negatively, but he didn't care.

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    • To be fair, he's displayed a keen intellect in the past. He's the only Fire Nation villian who remembers about the whole "the Avatar can just reincarnate" thing and acts accordingly, and he's been able to outmaneuver Zuko at nearly every turn. Its just when he gets passionate about something that his judgement gets a bit cloudy. Even then, the moon's effects on the tides most likely weren't very well known outside of the Water Tribe. Zhao probably just thought it would cut waterbenders off from their power source, as opposed to Iroh, who had studied the Water Tribe previously and likely knew the implications of messing with celestial bodies.

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    • He didn't get the chance to do anything to the ocean spirit. As soon as he killed the moon spirit, Iroh lit into him, and he ran away like a punk. But even if he had the opportunity, it wasn't necessary to kill the ocean spirit. Zhao's goal was to conquer the Water Tribes, and the best way to do that was to take away the waterbenders' abilities. Killing the moon spirit was all that was needed to accomplish that. Also, as the Air Nomad Critic pointed out, an admiral in the Fire Nation Navy might find himself out of a job if the oceans were no longer safe to navigate.

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    • Avatar Steve wrote:
      He didn't get the chance to do anything to the ocean spirit. As soon as he killed the moon spirit, Iroh lit into him, and he ran away like a punk. But even if he had the opportunity, it wasn't necessary to kill the ocean spirit. Zhao's goal was to conquer the Water Tribes, and the best way to do that was to take away the waterbenders' abilities. Killing the moon spirit was all that was needed to accomplish that. Also, as the Air Nomad Critic pointed out, an admiral in the Fire Nation Navy might find himself out of a job if the oceans were no longer safe to navigate.

      Your statement makes alot of sense. If Zhao had killed both ocean spirits he would probably have gotten a fate worse than death either from the spirits exacting revenge or Aang going Avatar Satate and destroying him.


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    • Empressofmelnibone wrote:

      Your statement makes alot of sense. If Zhao had killed both ocean spirits he would probably have gotten a fate worse than death either from the spirits exacting revenge or Aang going Avatar Satate and destroying him.

      True, but Zhao didn't seem to be overly concerned with what the spirits would do to him in the first place. He made it clear that he didn't fear the spirits, so whether he killed one, or two, or a hundred spirits would have made no difference to him. Also, who's to say that's not what happened to him anyway? It's possible that the ocean spirit didn't kill Zhao, but dragged him off to Spirit Hell, assuming such a place exists. Either way, good riddance to him.

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    • Maybe he passed Dr, Facilier on the way down.

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    • Haha , good one TANC. Yeah maybe.

      But the truth is Zhao thought that getting rid of the watertribe's bending would have a greater impact than anything else. Than just simply destroying them. Of course he would have conquered the Northen Water Tribe after that if Yue hadn't saved the day. 

      Zhao was a brilliant villain. Period.

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    • Avatar Steve wrote:
      He didn't get the chance to do anything to the ocean spirit. As soon as he killed the moon spirit, Iroh lit into him, and he ran away like a punk. But even if he had the opportunity, it wasn't necessary to kill the ocean spirit. Zhao's goal was to conquer the Water Tribes, and the best way to do that was to take away the waterbenders' abilities. Killing the moon spirit was all that was needed to accomplish that. Also, as the Air Nomad Critic pointed out, an admiral in the Fire Nation Navy might find himself out of a job if the oceans were no longer safe to navigate.

      I think he did. He could have just lashed out all the way across the pool, or picked up La in the first place.


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    • If he had destroyed the ocean spirit, chances are bad things would happen to the hundred or so ironsides still docked outside the city. Zhao's main goal was to de-power the waterbenders, and killing the moon spirit did that just fine.

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    • Yeah, I guess. But it didn't work too well, did it?

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    • No, it did not.

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    • Cookies

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    • What???!!!!!

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    • Cookies are appropriate in every thread. Especially freshly baked chocolate chip cookies.

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    • yeah, but when a nony's baking them? who knows what's in them.......  o.O

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    • I don't know, the anons around here seem pretty tame. Sure they rarely have coherent grammar and often bring up the oddest subjects, but they aren't that bad. At least they aren't Tumblr anons... /shudders

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    • OK.

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    • It's because Waterbenders draw their power from the moon. Killing the moon spirit would leave the Waterbenders powerless.

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    • Avatar Steve wrote:

      Empressofmelnibone wrote:

      Your statement makes alot of sense. If Zhao had killed both ocean spirits he would probably have gotten a fate worse than death either from the spirits exacting revenge or Aang going Avatar Satate and destroying him.

      True, but Zhao didn't seem to be overly concerned with what the spirits would do to him in the first place. He made it clear that he didn't fear the spirits, so whether he killed one, or two, or a hundred spirits would have made no difference to him. Also, who's to say that's not what happened to him anyway? It's possible that the ocean spirit didn't kill Zhao, but dragged him off to Spirit Hell, assuming such a place exists. Either way, good riddance to him.


      Heh heh, you probably know it by now but he appears in Korra inside a mental ilness hell/smoke on Spirit World :) Great prediction

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    • Zhao doesnt care about anything anyways lol

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