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  • Looking at all the abilities and sub abilities of the different bending arts I believe that Waterbending is the most powerful form of bending. 

    Not only can you alter the form of the water from steam to ice you can also use waterbending to heal. And not to mention Bloodbending which allows you to either freeze or boil someone alive, I know it is very bleak view of the world of Avatar the Last Airbender but it could happen. What do you guys think?? 

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    • it might interest you to look for my earlier thread called "balanced elements" or something like that - we discussed this topic there.

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    • I think firebending because it can destroy stuff the most.

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    • Energybending, because it gives and takes bending, plus not much else is known about it so it still has potential.

      But, if you're only looking for the original four, than its Airbending, because it's the only element that doesn't require an environment (water and earthbending) or a drive (firebending) to make it powerful. Plus air is everywhere so it can be used at anytime. And if used by someone who isn't against killing (Zaheer) you can kill someone without having to be exceptionally talented at a subskill (like bloodbending or lightning generation)

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    • Besides energy bending.

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    • Air. I will definitely go with Air then.

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    • Why?

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    • AdamantiumBladez wrote: Energybending, because it gives and takes bending, plus not much else is known about it so it still has potential.

      But, if you're only looking for the original four, than its Airbending, because it's the only element that doesn't require an environment (water and earthbending) or a drive (firebending) to make it powerful. Plus air is everywhere so it can be used at anytime. And if used by someone who isn't against killing (Zaheer) you can kill someone without having to be exceptionally talented at a subskill (like bloodbending or lightning generation)

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    • Going a bit scientific here but Energybending would be because when you break all matter down to its rawest form (at least the most we can break it down at this point in time) you get raw energy. Energybending its the direct manipulation of that.

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    • We all agree energy bending wins hands down, so besides that.

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    • but let's say you can only energybend, and your opponent can bend one of the four elements.

      you're gonna lose every time. you have to have your opponent in a very specific position to energybend him. you're not going to get that chance.

      @tizzit

      "energybending" isn't referring to bending actual physical energy; that's what firebending is. "energybending" is bending one's spiritual energy, aka, one's chi.

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    • plus not much else is known about it so it still has potential.

      Like the mystery box! Anything could be inside! It could even be a boat! Or maybe just some coupons.

      That being said, they did muddy it up with that giant blue Korra thing.

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    • They messed up the ending.

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    • 68.204.96.146 wrote:

      And not to mention Bloodbending which allows you to either freeze or boil someone alive, I know it is very bleak view of the world of Avatar the Last Airbender but it could happen.

      I really don't think there's a complete answer to your question. The series is focused on balance between the four nations, that could also mean the four elements as well. Just because blood bending seems very strong, doesn't mean it's a omnipotent power. Look at Combustion Bending, at first glance it seems it's unstoppable and it sort of is. But when you consider it's weakness, it's not as powerful as once thought. Once the weakness to blood bending is found, besides being only available to most thorugh the power's medium of the full moon, water bending won't be as powerful as thought. Water bending may be able to freeze or boil, but the same could be said for earth and possibly air.

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    • Also, Unalaq's soul destruction thing is in water.

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    • Yeah right.

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    • From a military perspective, earth bending and firebending would be stronger. First on defense earthbenders can raise massive fortifications easily. Tunneling, etc. Can all be used on offense. Fire bending when you have a drive and its not a solar eclipse can be used anywhere with massive power at the hands of a master. Metalbending helps a lot for defense.

      Water is pretty powerful, but only when near water without blood bending. For example, a earth or fire bending army can easily defeat an I'll supplied water battalion in a desert. Vice versa on a wooden boat.

      Terrain matters as well, but on dry land on a battlefield I would have a mix, earthbender defenders, firebending attackers and water healers. 

      To chose one, I would go with a battalion of earthbenders for an army. An actual trained well supllied army, not most of the EK jokes that we see.

      Ps. Non bending factors matter also, like supplies, logistics etc will always matter when it comes to military. A well equipped and prepared water bending force can still win even in a desert, against a poorly trained non equipped earth army.

      And I don't consider air a fight nation unless they do change from what they were. A army of airbenders would be awesome, though.

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    • Iroh explains to Zuko that there is and must be a balance between all four elements.  each has their own strengths and weaknesses.  and energy bending can't be considered because it's not part of the physical world.  though i'm one to talk, since in the story i'm writing (not avatar just to be clear) i made psychic an element in addition to lightning

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    • Well, you can get different results depending on the phrasing of the question, but there still seem to be styles that stand head & shoulders above the others in a variety of contexts.

      If we talk about max potential, we haven't really seen anything above Amon's waterbending.

      If we talk about being useful in the widest variety of circumstances, that pretty much goes to air or even earth, if we count the subskills.

      There's supposedly a balance, but it's always seemed to be lip service at best.

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    • I think they are really balanced..I mean, on a 'realistic' situation xd.. The heavier elements (earth, water) would 'cost more mana' to control, but would deliver far more impact with less gestures, and the lighter elements (air, fire) would 'cost less mana' to control, but more gestures or having to 'spend more mana' to produce impact or on the case of fire, to initially generate the fire..

      For an example, most earthbending moves i see on Aang or Korra cartoons would kill instantly, but i suppose that it would require spending much more 'energy' than an 'air punch', for an example, etc... :).. So they end up kind of balancing each other..

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    • I'd say either waterbending or airbending personally. Literally purely on the basis that pretty much all life needs both to survive. 

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    • Admiral Zhao The Unconquerable wrote:
      From a military perspective, earth bending and firebending would be stronger. First on defense earthbenders can raise massive fortifications easily. Tunneling, etc. Can all be used on offense. Fire bending when you have a drive and its not a solar eclipse can be used anywhere with massive power at the hands of a master. Metalbending helps a lot for defense.

      Water is pretty powerful, but only when near water without blood bending. For example, a earth or fire bending army can easily defeat an I'll supplied water battalion in a desert. Vice versa on a wooden boat.

      Terrain matters as well, but on dry land on a battlefield I would have a mix, earthbender defenders, firebending attackers and water healers. 

      To chose one, I would go with a battalion of earthbenders for an army. An actual trained well supllied army, not most of the EK jokes that we see.

      Ps. Non bending factors matter also, like supplies, logistics etc will always matter when it comes to military. A well equipped and prepared water bending force can still win even in a desert, against a poorly trained non equipped earth army.

      And I don't consider air a fight nation unless they do change from what they were. A army of airbenders would be awesome, though.

      We are not going on strongest nation, or bender, we are going on most powerful element.

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    • You can't really define 'most powerful' but I'm inclined to say water or air based on seeing them in action. Water is just so versatile. It combines offense and defense, evasion and stability, physical and spiritual. Water can crush, flood, and slice. Ice can block, stab, or imprison. It can fill any niche. Not to mention bloodbending, vinebending, and healing (+ spirit placating/corruption; the only element capable of doing so!)

      Air is omnipresent. We've seen single airbenders manipulate massive amounts of air. An airbending master is nearly impossible to hit. They can use air to leap incredible heights, block attacks, 'punch', slice, blast, suffocate, project their spirits, and fly. Once an airbender breaks their opponent's stance they can throw them around like a ragdoll. Very difficult to counter.

      Fire is just a beast. Its offense becomes its defense; fast, aggressive, powerful attacks immediately force their opponents into turtling and evasive action. It can blast through the other elements and doesn't require an external source. On top of burning, firebending has also been shown to have incredible concussive force. It's destructive power is limited only by the tenacity and speed of the bender. Lightning is the most dramatic display of a firebender's power as well as one of the most deadly. Fire is also unique in that it has a life of its own. Fearsome indeed.

      Earth's effects are slow but great. Earthbenders crush, throw, and hurl boulders the size of cars with ease, and while easier to evade on account of being slower than the other elements, suffering a direct hit by an unrestrained earth attack almost certainly means an instant KO (or worse). Earth is often capable of the largest areas of effect. Its defenses are among the best around too. Metalbending adds more versatility and lavabending brings massive devastation; Ghazan leveled the entire air temple in a matter of moments and single-handedly brought down a wall in Ba Sing Se.

      This is just potential though. It really does depend on the individual bender. Very few actually use their element to its maximum potential. Terrain is important too.

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    • Good point, They all have there strenghts.

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    • I would say that Earthbending would be the strongest element. The reason I say this is because, even though fire has combustion, water has bloodbending and air can make you fly, all of these require a VERY high level of skill. Throughout the series, only ONE person could use combustion bending, only FOUR people could bloodbend and only ONE person could fly. Overall it would just be too much training for a normal person, as most people are looking at learning the elements from and avatar's perspective, where they learn them within a week, but for normal people it would be very hard. Moreover, not all waterbenders can heal, and when they can they cannot heal fatal injuries, even one of the most skilled healers, Katara, could heal Aang without the special water when he recieved a fatal injury. In this paragraph I hopefully have raised awareness that you can't just master an element easily.

      Now I will continue on to water bending as I have seen many others say that it is the best element in other forums and blogs. As I have already stressed in the recent paragraph, you may not be able to bloodbend and heal with water, so I have cancelled out it's subpowers. Now I will state it's other weaknesses. As well as fire, water element has a special day when it is at it's weakest, an eclipse, without a moon they are defenseless. At at day they are especially weak. Whilst Earth and air don't have these weaknesses. Also, you can only bloodbend on a full moon, and IF YOU ARE SKILLED ENOUGH. Furthermore, I have to stress, YOU CANNOT JUST CREATE A HUGE FLOOD OR A TSUNAMI THAT WILL WIPE ALL HUMANITY FROM THE FACE OF EARTH, we have to be realistic and say that you can only bend as much as what your Alta  (it may be refered to as Chi or life energy) allows you to bend. So anyways, if a water bender is up against an earth bender water can't really do anything against a big pillar of earth. Lastly it takes alot of control and balance to water bend properly.

      Firebending, this is not a highly destructive, earth destroying elemnet, fire absolutely cannot harm a pillar or a sheild of earth, combustion is a fantasy, only one person was known to do it and he had to train very hard for it, true that it was indeed worth it, but could he counter half a dozen metal spikes aimed at him by a metalbender? No. I also once saw that fire is very weak against air, why? Because air is needed to make fire, you  take away that air, then there is no fire, you can also redirect it with air. Fire is also affected by eclipses and whether it is day or night.

      Air is very weak, but a good element for evasion, demonstrated by Tenzin. But he is also a wind monk, that has trained for years, maybe decades to get to his current skill, but that is basically it and it can to no damage to a pillar of earth. You will not be able to fly like Zaheer as it take enourmous meditation.

      Earth though is a very strong and reliable element. In my opinion this element was badly shown in series, as all they did was throw boulders around, I think that the average person's Alta should be much more powerful than just being able to throw around a few boulder and make pillars of earth, but they should be able to make tremors in the earth, but that is another topic, and I am not prepared into going to such depths. Ironbending, unlike other sub elements is easy to master, as said from Tofu when she said to Bolin that she had a school that taught even nut cases like him how to bend iron, furthermore there were plently of people seen in the series that had mastery of iron, iron is a very useful element to control as you can use metal spikes and then control them to go behind an enemy and stab them from behind, using liquid metal as body armour, tightening and controling chains and many other things. Another sub element of earth that is easy to control is sand, there were many sandbenders seen in the series and Tofu managed to learn it easyily, so it must not be such a hard sub element to learn. There are many benefits of controlling sand, and if you have watch Naruto and know Gaara then I believe I need to say no more, and for those who don't know him, then research on him because I don't have time for making yet another paragraph just for sandbending. There is also lavabending, but since I HAVE said that you need a high level for these things, like combustion and lavabending, I am not going to contradict myself and say that a perk of earth element is lava bending, because you need to train for that. SO earth is the easiest to learn as well as it's sub elements, and it is the most versitile, as I have mentioned before, you just can't go and destroy an earth barrier. Moreover, with earth you can basically build anything and even a mansion, you can also detect lies if you are good enough. Lastly, I'd like you to think about the other sub elements earth might have: trees and plants, they contain minerals like the earth and iron does, so can they be bent-Woodbending, Mudbending and potential bloodbending as our body also contains minerals.

      Thank you so much for reading 30 min of my work.

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    • I would say that Earthbending would be the strongest element.

      I'm still going with water, with or without subskills, for reasons that my reply should elaborate upon.

      Throughout the series, only ONE person could use combustion bending, only FOUR people could bloodbend and only ONE person could fly. Overall it would just be too much training for a normal person, as most people are looking at learning the elements from and avatar's perspective, where they learn them within a week, but for normal people it would be very hard.

      Okay, I have a few issues with this paragraph. The implication that these techniques are all rare solely because of difficulty is not completely correct. In the original series, bloodbending was a recent discovery, & by the sequel, it has been made illegal. Similarly, the secret to flight was not known. It is "difficult," but not in the sense of skill, it's difficult because it requires a particular mindset that goes against natural instincts. Combustionbending is highly implied to be an inborn ability.

      Second, why is the "normal person's" perspective what is relevant? According to Word of God, the "normal person" is a nonbender. Even limiting it to just benders, that's like saying that to compare different martial arts, we need to look at the amateur street fighting level.

      Now I will continue on to water bending as I have seen many others say that it is the best element in other forums and blogs. As I have already stressed in the recent paragraph, you may not be able to bloodbend and heal with water, so I have cancelled out it's subpowers.

      No, because we're not talking about any individual waterbender, we're talking about the potential of waterbending. But, let's continue.

      Now I will state it's other weaknesses. As well as fire, water element has a special day when it is at it's weakest, an eclipse, without a moon they are defenseless. At at day they are especially weak. Whilst Earth and air don't have these weaknesses.

      A lunar eclipse occurs about 2 or 3 times a year, not always in the same part of the world, & total eclipses are less common. Suffice it to say, a fight is less likely to be decided by a lunar eclipse than by a bloodbender, so the argument that the subskills need to be discarded for their rarity cannot co-exist with this one.

      That said, I will grant that waterbending & firebending have this occasional blind spot that earthbending & airbending do not.

      Also, you can only bloodbend on a full moon, and IF YOU ARE SKILLED ENOUGH. Furthermore, I have to stress, YOU CANNOT JUST CREATE A HUGE FLOOD OR A TSUNAMI THAT WILL WIPE ALL HUMANITY FROM THE FACE OF EARTH, we have to be realistic and say that you can only bend as much as what your Alta (it may be refered to as Chi or life energy) allows you to bend.

      Did anyone say otherwise? The fact is that this can still be quite a lot. Also, there is a quality over quantity factor. We've seen that it takes only a few cups worth of water to generate a water blade capable of slicing inch-deep gashes in steel. Even a sharp, sturdy rock cannot do that with such limited volume. What makes waterbending so dangerous is that it requires so little to be deadly.

      So anyways, if a water bender is up against an earth bender water can't really do anything against a big pillar of earth.

      Incorrect. As I've shown, you could pretty much cut it apart with your spit. Not to mention, I have no idea how you made this jump. So we've established that you can't bend infinite water, especially if you're an amateur. How does it follow that any given earthbender will be able to create this giant rock pillar, but any given waterbender won't be able to "do anything against" it?

      Lastly it takes alot of control and balance to water bend properly.

      Well...depends on what you mean by "properly." Tonraq & Tahno do pretty well, despite using much simpler, less traditional styles.

      And you need proper form to properly control earth as well.

      Firebending, this is not a highly destructive, earth destroying elemnet, fire absolutely cannot harm a pillar or a sheild of earth,

      Again, I have no idea how you're leaping to this conclusion. Here is a good example. Around 3:30, Zuko breaks the man's earth shield with a fire blast, & the sheer force from it sends him flying across the street, & into a wall, which then ALSO breaks. Not to mention, we've also seen fire capable of melting through steel, albeit this takes a while.

      combustion is a fantasy, only one person was known to do it and he had to train very hard for it,

      Not quite. Both Combustion Man & P'Li were said to show signs of the ability "from an early age." Combustion Man trained to control it. The uncontrolled version blasted his limbs off.

      true that it was indeed worth it, but could he counter half a dozen metal spikes aimed at him by a metalbender? No.

      Yes. If they were all flying directly at him, the Combustion Blast clearly has enough force to blow them all off-target. If they try to surround him, then assuming he knows normal firebending, it's also known that firebending generates concussive force.

      I also once saw that fire is very weak against air, why? Because air is needed to make fire, you take away that air, then there is no fire, you can also redirect it with air.

      Yes, firebending is vulnerable to smothering, which is probably why firebenders have developed their rapid fire attack style. In the same way that earthbending generally sacrifices speed for power.

      Air is very weak, but a good element for evasion, demonstrated by Tenzin. But he is also a wind monk, that has trained for years, maybe decades to get to his current skill, but that is basically it and it can to no damage to a pillar of earth.

      I've been in this argument a few times, & it's been pointed out to me that Aang used his airbending to break rocks thrown at him, catapults, & other objects. On the other hand, it has frequently been shown to have less force behind it than other styles, & is usually stopped by rock shields. So let's just say that airbending is variable in damage output, but generally less forceful than other styles.

      Earth though is a very strong and reliable element. In my opinion this element was badly shown in series, as all they did was throw boulders around, I think that the average person's Alta should be much more powerful than just being able to throw around a few boulder and make pillars of earth, but they should be able to make tremors in the earth, but that is another topic, and I am not prepared into going to such depths.

      As you say, this is another topic entirely. I could easily say that firebending explosions "should be" stronger, or waterbenders "should be" able to control more water, or airbenders "should be" able to create hurricanes on demand. But that is not what is.

      Ironbending, unlike other sub elements is easy to master, as said from Tofu when she said to Bolin that she had a school that taught even nut cases like him how to bend iron, furthermore there were plently of people seen in the series that had mastery of iron,

      This is misquoted. Nobody said it was "easy" to master metalbending, what she said that was with enough practice, dedication, & the right instruction, any earthbender "could" learn it. Bolin also tells us that "1 in 100" earthbenders master metalbending, so it is indeed quite difficult. Enough learn it that it can be utilized industrially, but the same is true of lightning generation, which has been shown to have more power than basic firebending. Indeed, despite being instructed by Toph herself, both Lin & Suyin fail to pick up several of their mother's abilities.

      iron is a very useful element to control as you can use metal spikes and then control them to go behind an enemy and stab them from behind, using liquid metal as body armour, tightening and controling chains and many other things.

      Things which I would like to point out that waterbending can already do, without subskills. Ice an be used for binding & spikes. These could then be tightened around the attacker or used to throw them around. Water can be molded around the user as armor, or to snake around their defenses. Attacks with water & ice can also be used to completely enclose the enemy.

      While ice lacks the "oomph" that metal has, firstly it is generally sufficient for a human opponent, & secondly their liquid water seems even stronger. Waterbenders such as Unalaq have shown that a water tendril is strong enough to grab a person & throw them as if they were a football. And, again, we've seen that a water blade generally wins out over a steel blade.

      Another sub element of earth that is easy to control is sand, there were many sandbenders seen in the series and Tofu managed to learn it easyily, so it must not be such a hard sub element to learn.

      I wouldn't exactly call it a sub element or say that Toph learning something quickly makes it "easy," but yes, I do think that a lot of earthbenders would be able to learn sandbending, if they had practice with it.

      There are many benefits of controlling sand, and if you have watch Naruto and know Gaara then I believe I need to say no more,

      Many of the things which Gaara does are justified by the "chakra can do anything" rule. There is absolutely nothing that says that earthbenders could move sand at supersonic speeds without even moving, make it harder than steel, or crush bodies into fluid with it, let alone control an entire village's worth.

      SO earth is the easiest to learn as well as it's sub elements, and it is the most versitile, as I have mentioned before, you just can't go and destroy an earth barrier.

      Negative, as this comment gives a very skewed image of what the elements are capable of. You spent very little time talking about earthbending's weaknesses & misjudged how easy it is to learn. Meanwhile, you underestimated what the other elements are capable of & attributed some weaknesses to them that do not actually exist.

      with earth you can basically build anything and even a mansion, you can also detect lies if you are good enough.

      Waterbending created the entire Northern Water Tribe city & can even remove bending permanently. Again, let's stick with the overall picture, rather than a hypothetical best.

      Lastly, I'd like you to think about the other sub elements earth might have: trees and plants, they contain minerals like the earth and iron does, so can they be bent-Woodbending, Mudbending and potential bloodbending as our body also contains minerals.

      In addition to repeating what I said above, I'd like to point out that plants & animals convert the minerals they absorb into organic compounds. You might as well say that earthbenders can control hair, because they control coal, which is mostly carbon, & hair is about 45% carbon.

      According to this theory, "hairbending" should be even easier than metalbending. I'm going to go out on a limb & say that this is not how it works.

      Thank you so much for reading 30 min of my work.

      No problem.

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    • waterbending:

      day/night, full moon, lunar eclipse. needs an animal, plant, source of water e.g air or the ground.

      bloodbending spiritbending healing

      earthbening:

      need earth or metal

      metalbending lavabending  seismic sense

      firebending:

      day/night, solar eclipse, sozins comet

      lightning generation lightning redirection combustionbending

      airbending:

      need air 

      flight spiritual projection 

      keep all of these factors in mind

      i personaly think that there is no one kind of bending that is more powerfull that the others because therer are all of these factors. for example: firebending could be the worst on a solar eclipse and the best during sozins comet.

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    • AdamantiumBladez wrote: Energybending, because it gives and takes bending, plus not much else is known about it so it still has potential.

      But, if you're only looking for the original four, than its Airbending, because it's the only element that doesn't require an environment (water and earthbending) or a drive (firebending) to make it powerful. Plus air is everywhere so it can be used at anytime. And if used by someone who isn't against killing (Zaheer) you can kill someone without having to be exceptionally talented at a subskill (like bloodbending or lightning generation)

      I think its air too...but you do need the environment to bend. Air is just more abundant than others and you don't need as much effort to move it.

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    • None. They're all evenly matched through various techniques and subdisciplines. However, if you think about it on the most basic scale under normal conditions, you aren't going to be hurt by being touched by air, water, or earth but you could be hurt by even simply being touched by fire.

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    • ElephantSpice wrote: None. They're all evenly matched through various techniques and subdisciplines. However, if you think about it on the most basic scale under normal conditions, you aren't going to be hurt by being touched by air, water, or earth but you could be hurt by even simply being touched by fire.

      And fire needs air, so without it that firebenders wouldn't even exist. Normal conditions for air have range in temperature so cold air can "hurt" too.

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    • Remotecat25 wrote:
      68.204.96.146 wrote:

      And not to mention Bloodbending which allows you to either freeze or boil someone alive, I know it is very bleak view of the world of Avatar the Last Airbender but it could happen.

      I really don't think there's a complete answer to your question. The series is focused on balance between the four nations, that could also mean the four elements as well. Just because blood bending seems very strong, doesn't mean it's a omnipotent power. Look at Combustion Bending, at first glance it seems it's unstoppable and it sort of is. But when you consider it's weakness, it's not as powerful as once thought. Once the weakness to blood bending is found, besides being only available to most thorugh the power's medium of the full moon, water bending won't be as powerful as thought. Water bending may be able to freeze or boil, but the same could be said for earth and possibly air.


      Balance isn't neccessarily about 1:1 power ratios.   Balance is when the elements  and the nations work together in a harmonius whole.  Perhaps the real  mistake was in separating  the nations by element in the first place and Republic City with it's multi-element culture is the real road to balance.

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    • Admiral Zhao The Unconquerable wrote:
      From a military perspective, earth bending and firebending would be stronger. First on defense earthbenders can raise massive fortifications easily. Tunneling, etc. Can all be used on offense. Fire bending when you have a drive and its not a solar eclipse can be used anywhere with massive power at the hands of a master. Metalbending helps a lot for defense.

      Water is pretty powerful, but only when near water without blood bending. For example, a earth or fire bending army can easily defeat an I'll supplied water battalion in a desert. Vice versa on a wooden boat.

      Terrain matters as well, but on dry land on a battlefield I would have a mix, earthbender defenders, firebending attackers and water healers. 

      To chose one, I would go with a battalion of earthbenders for an army. An actual trained well supllied army, not most of the EK jokes that we see.

      Ps. Non bending factors matter also, like supplies, logistics etc will always matter when it comes to military. A well equipped and prepared water bending force can still win even in a desert, against a poorly trained non equipped earth army.

      And I don't consider air a fight nation unless they do change from what they were. A army of airbenders would be awesome, though.

      Airbenders are the ultimate in quiet assasination.  Just put a vacum bubble around someone's head and they can't  even scream as they suffocate.

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    • Put water around someone's head until they suffocate, put a ball of rock around someone's head until they suffocate, put a ball of fire around someone's head until they burn to death, so it really works with anyu element.

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    • SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Put water around someone's head until they suffocate, put a ball of rock around someone's head until they suffocate, put a ball of fire around someone's head until they burn to death, so it really works with anyu element.


      Water and Earth of course require the medium,  Fire  is anything but subtle and quiet.  Whereas a vacuum sphere is both silent and all but invisible.

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    • I like the idea that they're all balanced. Each element has strengths and weaknesses. For example, air's strength is that air is everywhere, so they don't have to worry about it disapearing, but it's weakness is that it doesn't have many finishing blows. Water's strength is that it is very versatile and can be applied in many different ways, but it's weakness is that there needs to be water present in order to bend, no one can just create water out of nothing. Earth's strength is that is has a solid defense, but it's weakness is that it relies mostly on the lower body, so if that gets injured, then they're as good as gone. Firebending's strength is that it has a very good offense, but it's weakness is that if you have no drive, the firebending will be drastically weakened, or if you don't have any self control, your firebending will amplify to do unexpected damage. As it can be seen, each element is good in it's own way, and like I've stated in previous threads, it all depends on the user. Other than that, I'd say it's pretty balanced.

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    • Drain a person's body of heat and instantly freeze them. A psychic version might even trump psychic bloodbending. Sozin could do it.

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    • I don't think any element is mor powerful then the other's (unless you count energybending then that would probobly be the most powerful).

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    • well excluded energy i say there even being it's like a rock,paper,sccissors. 

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    • Kkkkkk12 wrote:
      well excluded energy i say there even being it's like a rock,paper,sccissors. 

      scissors*

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    • Drahliana wrote:
      SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
      Put water around someone's head until they suffocate, put a ball of rock around someone's head until they suffocate, put a ball of fire around someone's head until they burn to death, so it really works with anyu element.


      Water and Earth of course require the medium,  Fire  is anything but subtle and quiet.  Whereas a vacuum sphere is both silent and all but invisible.


      And would only work in an old lady or a poisoned girl. Ever wondered why Zaheer only used it in those situations? Because they couldn't fight back. Anyway, Zuko could ba as good as any airbender at killing people silently, seeing how good he is at ninja stuff.

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    • Well, i personally like fire and air better. Air is free and i like freedom, while fire is agressive and i like violence and brutality. But all elements are toned down in avatar for it being a kid's show, they don't fully expand on their potential. A firebender, for example, could easily boil someone's blood like Iroh did with his tea. Or they could use my Bakuhatsu no Ken, where they move their chi from the "sea of chi" to the arm as they make the punching motion, and as soon as the fist connects, the chi finishes its journey and explode shattering bones and destroying eardrums. I know i'm not creative enough but those are some things that could probably work in the Avatarverse, even if they aren't really from said universe.

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    • If Avatar was written as a manga it would probably have a ton more violence with war like themes. But anyway I think the FN during Aang's time was too proud to do those kinds of assassinations. They wanted to show the other nations just how much fire can rage on the outside.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      I don't think any element is mor powerful then the other's (unless you count energybending then that would probobly be the most powerful).

      Save that energy bending has exactly  1, maybe 2 uses, so not much of a weapon against non-benders, and against benders it requires contact and a hell of a lot of time and concentration  where  pitched battle is concerned.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      There's supposedly a balance, but it's always seemed to be lip service at best.


      Balance isn't about have equal potential to murder each other.   It's about balanced  relationships.   Balance  between the four, five, or six nations,  depending  how you count the Water Tribes and Republic City,   balance  between  mortals and spirits,   and balance  between individuals

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    • Okay, but in this context, I'm referring specifically to how they've claimed that the styles are balanced in terms of martial strength.

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    • The  show itself  never made such  claims.  And it depends on  style.   Zuko's style is considerably more aggressive  than the Sun Warrior style of firebending.  And Zaheer is far more deadly than even most Air Bender masters.

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    • Whether it did or not, Mike & Bryan have said this was their intention.

      Aside from style, the elements themselves still have differential capabilities.

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    • It's Balanced In the sense where the skill of the bender normally out ways the "power" of the element. For example Air is considerably less potent than the other elements but monk gyatso is able to take out numerous fire benders thanks to his skill level who may have been more powerfull than him due to the aid of sozins comet

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    • Point is it's not like Pokemon where elements have clear advantages over each other

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    • That's what we in the business call a "confounding variable."

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    • Earth pretty easily imo. Earth can block fire, water, and air, but none of those elements can block earthbending.

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    • Ice and wind can block small pebbles..

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    • I don't know if one is more powerful than the others. It seems like they're supposed to balance each other out.

      I will say that I think song is an element and in my entirely biased opinion, song is the most powerful.

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    • The Cage wrote: Earth pretty easily imo. Earth can block fire, water, and air, but none of those elements can block earthbending.

      All of those elements DO have blocking moves. Aang deflected a humongous boulder thrown at him using a tornado. Waterbending is all about redirecting attacks & if they're near a large body of water, it becomes very difficult to overpower them, as a boulder or fire blast would easily be swept up by a wave. There is a fire shield, but its effectiveness is unknown, since firebenders don't usually block.

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    • The Cage wrote:
      Earth pretty easily imo. Earth can block fire, water, and air, but none of those elements can block earthbending.


      I don't even think you paid attention to the fights if you think this way. Just watch the fight between Zuko and the earthbender guy in Zuko Alone. He blocks his attacks with his swords, and the guy couldn't defend against his fire attacks. Nor could Aang defend against Azula with a rock shield in The Drill, or against Azula and Zuko in The Crossroads of Destiny. Firebending FTW.

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    • It's the skill, tactics and creativity of the bender, not the element.

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    • I think earth is the best element to win with. Think about it like this, if you're going off how much the fighters have in total then earth wins every time. Theres just more earth than there is any other element by far.

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    • Eo bablybut wrote:
      I think earth is the best element to win with. Think about it like this, if you're going off how much the fighters have in total then earth wins every time. Theres just more earth than there is any other element by far.

      If the world of Avatar is like ours, then wouldn't most of the surface be covered in water? Even if you are on land, air would be around everyone as well. 

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    • As said before, I don't think one is more powerful than the others, they're supposed to balance each other.

      I do think, however, if you were in fight, fire would be the most damaging and incapaciting. It can destroy anything except water, which unless you're fighting a waterbender is a big advantage. (Side note: I wouldn't pick fire to bend because I don't see how I would be able to heal and create with that element; I don't want to just burn things)

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    • Healing? Cauterizing, defibrillation, muscular therapy. Creation? Glass-blowing, pottery hardening, metalworking, probably other things.

      While I'm here, I might as well reiterate that "supposed to" doesn't necessarily mean "does."

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    • Air thanks to suffocation being so powerful no one could possibly move while being suffocated without putting huge strain to their bodies and putting a ball of air around them as they choke would make it even more powerful so i gotta go with air.

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    • Trogdr wrote:
      Air thanks to suffocation being so powerful no one could possibly move while being suffocated without putting huge strain to their bodies and putting a ball of air around them as they choke would make it even more powerful so i gotta go with air.

      Could be a terrible way to die. I might give bloodbending an equal score to that though. Feels like the Amon versus Zaheer match up.

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    • This is slightly off-topic, but SaeryenKatten made me think...why doesn't the Fire Nation have more fire-oriented art?

      They don't appear to do metalworking, or woodburning, or smoke signals, or glass blowing, the only fiery things they have are fireworks & that 1 magician. Otherwise, it's all calligraphy or landscaping or whatever.

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    • A bender could easily attack Zaheer while he do his thing. Why do you think he only used it on Hou Ting and on Korra only when she couldn't move?

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      This is slightly off-topic, but SaeryenKatten made me think...why doesn't the Fire Nation have more fire-oriented art?

      They don't appear to do metalworking, or woodburning, or smoke signals, or glass blowing, the only fiery things they have are fireworks & that 1 magician. Otherwise, it's all calligraphy or landscaping or whatever.

      From the looks of the factory in The Painted Lady, various ships and the use of so much metal in ATLA, that metalworking is something that is defintely practiced on a wide scale. Woodburning or other material burning would also have to be used in that endevor. We didn't see more because of the focus in showing the FN from a different angle than the military side of things from the previous two books.

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    • I'm not talking about industrial uses, I'm talking about as an art. I suppose you could count the sculpture in Fire Fountain City (if it was indeed made by firebending), but other than that?

      Also, this kind of woodburning.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I'm not talking about industrial uses, I'm talking about as an art. I suppose you could count the sculpture in Fire Fountain City (if it was indeed made by firebending), but other than that?

      Also, this kind of woodburning.

      Ah, pyrography. If they do use it, I'd imagine they would use the 'fire needle' or other fire pun. With other art, they might have wanted to stick with stuff the doesn't stereotype the populace? You could count blacksmithing as a form of art if you want to mention the joke about Aang getting all of that ridiculous armor in book 3.

      Other than that, the typical art that was featured was mostly architecture. 

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    • SaitamaBro wrote:
      A bender could easily attack Zaheer while he do his thing. Why do you think he only used it on Hou Ting and on Korra only when she couldn't move?

      not really if youre being choked moving would only make you lose oxygen faster and if you really wanted you could make another bubble around the person to make them not able to move.

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    • Yes, really. If I tie a plastic bag on your head but leave your arms free, you will--stay with me now--try to remove it. It will not paralyze you. That's why criminals who use strangulation/asphyxiation tend to pin their victims down or tie them up first.

      And this is why Zaheer makes sure his opponents are weak before he tries to asphyxiate them.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Yes, really. If I tie a plastic bag on your head but leave your arms free, you will--stay with me now--try to remove it. It will not paralyze you. That's why criminals who use strangulation/asphyxiation tend to pin their victims down or tie them up first.

      And this is why Zaheer makes sure his opponents are weak before he tries to asphyxiate them.

      dont forget point 2 which is that he could make another bubble around them....

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    • I'd have to side with NB on this one - I'd have to time it more precisely by rewatching the scene, but Zaheer's asphyxiation technique takes at least some time to completely remove the air from the target's lungs, and a powerful bender would probably have at least a few seconds to counterattack - which could destabilize Zaheer enough to create a window of opportunity for said target to get free - unless said bender has already been incapacitated in some way that hinders their ability to fight back, or else immobilized.

      As NB and Saitama pointed out, the only two people he targeted in this way were people who were unable to counterattack - Hou-Ting, who is a nonbender as well as a snivelling coward, and Korra, who was already dying/severely weakened due to heavy metal poisoning.

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    • I think water is the most powerful because it has the healing abilities and the dangerous movements.

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    • Technically, Saitama pointed it out first, I just illustrated with a real life example.

      Trogdr wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Yes, really. If I tie a plastic bag on your head but leave your arms free, you will--stay with me now--try to remove it. It will not paralyze you. That's why criminals who use strangulation/asphyxiation tend to pin their victims down or tie them up first.

      And this is why Zaheer makes sure his opponents are weak before he tries to asphyxiate them.

      dont forget point 2 which is that he could make another bubble around them....

      Yes, I am aware, however trying to encase a bender in something is hardly a foolproof plan.

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    • Feels like a decent plan if the element is something they cannot bend. 

      Anywho, water seems to be the overall top contender for most 'powerful' element strictly from that versatility standpoint.

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    • An airbender won't necessarily be able to catch them or create an air bubble that they cannot blast through. Even assuming they do, there are still maneuvers like collapsing the ground, directing attacks through stomping, etc.

      The point is not "it's useless," it's "no, it is not an instant win."

      I concur on the water.

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    • I think fire has the most potential of the four elements. They can make fire into something that pass trhough stuff and burns it or something that is more tangible and can stop rocks and push people. And explosions. Though i assume it varies from person to person. If one prefer speed and reflexes over physical might they would go for air, those who prefer stability and strenght over agility would go for earth, water would be for people who prefer a more flowing style, "flies like a butterfly sting like a bee" kind of thing. Now, fire is more balanced on the strength:speed ratio and is a element that easily adapt to other elements forms. Of course you could apply earthbending to airbeding, but that would only be taking the strenght of airbending, like chosing a warrior class and trying to learn spells, while firebending is like being a magic warrior class where learning both won't make the strength of your element weaker.

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    • There's a few good points there. When I think of adding a warrior label to them it usually adds up to earth being the tank or sword and board fellow, air ends up as the riposte finese fighter, fire feels like the dual wielding guy, and water felt like more of a typical martial artist type of warrior or someone who would choose something like a longsword and versatility. That might be because of the influence of Bruce Lee ("Be water, my friend").

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    • If we can't what really the most powerful, why don't give that all of them are just great as the another one is?

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    • What's this "we" business? I concluded that water is the most powerful--or, more accurately, has the most dangerous potential--long ago & have not deviated from that stance.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      What's this "we" business? I concluded that water is the most powerful--or, more accurately, has the most dangerous potential--long ago & have not deviated from that stance.

      Sorry. I meant you about you guys, I accidentally typed wrong again. And why don't just make all elements equal?

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      What's this "we" business? I concluded that water is the most powerful--or, more accurately, has the most dangerous potential--long ago & have not deviated from that stance.
      Sorry. I meant you about you guys, I accidentally typed wrong again. And why don't just make all elements equal?

      Using 'we' is fine as you were just making a generalization of the thread. 

      With the elements, they do have strengths and weaknesses. As with the characters of the show and a recent, active thread, it's just natural to want to pick one over another.

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    • Bersarker wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      What's this "we" business? I concluded that water is the most powerful--or, more accurately, has the most dangerous potential--long ago & have not deviated from that stance.

      Sorry. I meant you about you guys, I accidentally typed wrong again. And why don't just make all elements equal?

      Yes, I get what you mean.

      Because they demonstrably are not equal. Here's the problem with the "strengths & weakness" argument: Going back to the analogy of the elements as RPG classes, say you put the warrior & the wizard into a duel, controlling for other variables like level, inventory, etc.

      Yeah, they have "strengths & weaknesses," but one of them has the RIGHT strengths to win. Which one depends on the specific game mechanics, but the fact is that you're almost never going to come across a situation where the winner is a toss-up. One will consistently outperform the other.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:

      Bersarker wrote:

      Neo Bahamut wrote:
      What's this "we" business? I concluded that water is the most powerful--or, more accurately, has the most dangerous potential--long ago & have not deviated from that stance.
      Sorry. I meant you about you guys, I accidentally typed wrong again. And why don't just make all elements equal?

      Yes, I get what you mean.

      Because they demonstrably are not equal. Here's the problem with the "strengths & weakness" argument: Going back to the analogy of the elements as RPG classes, say you put the warrior & the wizard into a duel, controlling for other variables like level, inventory, etc.

      Yeah, they have "strengths & weaknesses," but one of them has the RIGHT strengths to win. Which one depends on the specific game mechanics, but the fact is that you're almost never going to come across a situation where the winner is a toss-up. One will consistently outperform the other.

      That is the point, it's not only depend on just the elements but also the skills of the users.

      Who better win can say that his or her element is better than the other one because he or she just received a victory.

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    • You're not comparing the elements at that point, you're just comparing 2 individuals, hence why I said in my analogy to control for factors unrelated to the question of interest, such as level & inventory.

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    • It's clearly Dragon type, but in all seriousness I believe it's the skill and talent of the bender that determines the power of the element they wield

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      You're not comparing the elements at that point, you're just comparing 2 individuals, hence why I said in my analogy to control for factors unrelated to the question of interest, such as level & inventory.

      How about you guys have the best of all four benders from each place to fight each other? The last who's still stand

      will prove that that kind of bending is the most powerful of all. But that is going to cost a lot of money for the simulator

      and the game players and other stuffs.

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    • At that point though, as has been mentioned above, you're comparing the abilities of specific individuals rather than general capabilities of a particular element versus one or more of the others.

      This is why I personally think that, while each element has advantages and drawbacks, no one element can be said to be unequivocally, conclusively superior to the other. Because the skill of the user will always play a factor in how powerful one or another element is in any given example, and I think user skill accounts for far more in these types of comparison than any other factor.

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    • What you would do is compare over a large sample--say the entire canonical franchise, for instance--& then it doesn't come down to a handful of individuals to decide.

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    • Why can't we just accept that every bending skills had its own uniqueness and specialized part in each one?

      hat can solve the problem and can finally have all bendings equal. Am I right?

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    • No, just saying it doesn't make it true.

      They have different strengths & weaknesses, yes.

      But some are generally more effective than others.

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    • DrachenRitter42 wrote:
      At that point though, as has been mentioned above, you're comparing the abilities of specific individuals rather than general capabilities of a particular element versus one or more of the others.

      This is why I personally think that, while each element has advantages and drawbacks, no one element can be said to be unequivocally, conclusively superior to the other. Because the skill of the user will always play a factor in how powerful one or another element is in any given example, and I think user skill accounts for far more in these types of comparison than any other factor.

      Individual skill/genetics seem to give drastically different degrees of power for each of the elements, but at the very basic or bare bones level, there is some truth to some elements having more advantages over others. Then again, individual skill with a weaker element can turn the tide over another individual with another element. Hmmmmmmm...

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      No, just saying it doesn't make it true.

      They have different strengths & weaknesses, yes.

      But some are generally more effective than others.

      So... all we have to find out is what is the most effective among all four?

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    • I feel like water and air are the most effective. They both seem more versatile than earth and especially fire. 

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    • SifuCheetah wrote:
      I feel like water and air are the most effective. They both seem more versatile than earth and especially fire. 

      If combines, they are. But separate, they are not.

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      SifuCheetah wrote:
      I feel like water and air are the most effective. They both seem more versatile than earth and especially fire. 
      If combines, they are. But separate, they are not.

      I guess.. I was just thinking that they were both more useful than earth and fire, especially. 

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    • I have a large feeling air is. Besides the very compounds of air and its substyles. Air is a very adaptable element. Unline water, which needs a source, and like fire, which needs a source. (In case for fire, covered in the episode with Ran and Shaw, fire is mostly fueled by anger in the fire nation in the time of the hundred year war.) And obviously earth needs a source. 

      The only one that doesn't is air, which is a usable element no matter what situation you seem to be in. When I specifically think of fighting with the air. I always see it as a last resort, as the point of an airbender is to out-maneauver their enemy. One episode I always recall to is the second to last episode in book 3 of ATLA. Where zuko keeps firing at Aang randomly, to test him. Eventually Aang gets fed up and fires a blast of air. Knocking him down the hallway, through the wall, and outside. Not only this, but majorly shows the ability in LoK. Where in the end of Book 3, the massive vacuum of air.

      Lets begin with the substyles of airbending, one of the most rarest types to come across. Is flight as it is. The rare ability is only achievable by the releasement of themselves from the earth. A basic Airbending philosophy. 

      Airbending in itself is very calm and euphoric, but can have catastrophic consequences if delt with the wrong way. 

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    • Airbending definitely requires a source. Firstly, it requires air. That sounds trivial, but at least earthbenders & waterbenders would be capable of putting an airbender in an airtight space. And if we're counting emotions, like you did with firebending, we know that Korra could not airbend until she reached a certain state of mind.

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    • But at what point in the entirety of both seasons is any human not in the grasp of air? The only place would be out of earth, which hasn't been achieved yet. And you are speaking about the Avatar in particular, that is a different case, because they have to specially adapt to it. And it is also not entirely fare since Air was polar opposite from Korra's personality. 

      And of course it requires air, but when in the time of the two shows was anyone not in air?

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    • As I pointed out, at least 2 types of benders could trap a person in an airtight space. The fact that they didn't for some reason is irrelevant. Does the fact that nobody in the show uses guns invalidate the possibility of guns as a concept?

      It's never suggested at any point that airbending having an emotional link is special to the Avatar. If anything, the Avatar would have an easier time learning airbending, since the Avatar is typically portrayed as picking up the elements abnormally fast. Plus, what they say when they explain Korra's airbending in the commentary is that airbending requires a certain mindset, not "she couldn't do it before because she's the Avatar."

      Yes, air is the opposite of Korra's personality. In what way is that an unfair example? If someone like Zaheer could be an airbender, surely there could be airbenders with very Korresque personalities. That's kind of the entire point, certain personalities can pose an airbending block, much like firebending requires some kind of strong emotional connection in order to wield.

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    • No element is stronger than another. It all depends on the skill of the bender.

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    • I'm going to sound like a broken record, but just because "no element is stronger, it all depends on the skill" fits well with the balance theme, that doesn't make it true. Certain elements just have vast advantages at various skill levels.

      An unskilled waterbender is still perfectly capable of making a blade that can slice through steel out of a small amount of water. A master waterbender is capable of creating tidal waves that can cover entire settlements. Yes, this requires a large source of water, but the problem with holding that against them is that you're not comparing the bending styles at that point, you're comparing a heavily armed opponent with a lightly or even unarmed one. Of course the fighter with no weapons is going to lose.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      I'm going to sound like a broken record, but just because "no element is stronger, it all depends on the skill" fits well with the balance theme, that doesn't make it true. Certain elements just have vast advantages at various skill levels.

      An unskilled waterbender is still perfectly capable of making a blade that can slice through steel out of a small amount of water. A master waterbender is capable of creating tidal waves that can cover entire settlements. Yes, this requires a large source of water, but the problem with holding that against them is that you're not comparing the bending styles at that point, you're comparing a heavily armed opponent with a lightly or even unarmed one. Of course the fighter with no weapons is going to lose.

      The ability of an "unskilled" bender can be totally different too. I could easily see an unskilled Earthbender causing great deals of damage in situations like a city because they cannot completely control their element. The same could be said of a firebender who can put someone or something on fire or an airbender cutting something with an "air blade" (think of Zaheer cutting that barrel of water in book 3).

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    • Bloodbending. Yakone said it.

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    • I feel like it would be Earth Bending;

      1. It is physically extremely powerful;

      Seriously, just Earthbend a boulder out of the ground and toss it over to your opponent, there's no way that someone would at the very least be concious if they had a boulder tossed at their head. 

      2. It's really accessible;

      While not quite as accessible as air; Earth is all around you, with the exception of the 'middle' Ocean, but even in the seas, there are still piles of sand and rock somewhere in the ocean, not to mention the fact that Earth is almost always everywhere; Sand, dirt, rock.

      3. It is hard to break through;

      Have you ever split a rock in half by blowing on it, or running it under a faucet for 5 seconds, or using a blowtorch on it? Or, heck, even hitting it with a boomerang? Due to it's hard texture it can offer many advantages (more revealed in the next line)

      4. Hardened shelters;

      Let's say you get lost in the woods, with Earthbending you can very easily create a rock shelter, and count on it to ensure a giant bear isn't going to climb through it.

      5. Underground bases/shelters;

      Given with the fact that Toph was able to create an entire mini Ba Sing Se just by sandbending, we can safely infer that you could very easily create an underground mansion.

      6. Rock shield;

      If you're ever in a pinch, given with the almost unlimited access with Earth, you could very easily create a rock shield/armor that would be almost inpenetrable given with it's physical toughness.

      7. Metalbending;

      Could be good for a pinch.. somehow

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    • Re: Pokenerd2267

      1. I guess, but you could just dodge.

      2. That's true, though if you want rock or sand in the middle of the ocean, good luck surviving the trip miles down in order to get it.

      3. No, but firebenders, waterbenders, & sometimes even airbenders have all broken boulders pretty regularly. Not that you necessarily have to break an attack to avoid it, it can also be redirected. Plus, as I keep pointing out, waterbenders can even slice through solid steel.

      4. Could do the same with water, just gotta refresh it every once in a while so it won't melt.

      5. Well, Toph is arguably the Greatest Earthbender in the World, but other than that.

      6. Except, again, all of those times earthbending has been penetrated.

      7. Is this supposed to be ironic? Because I think it's really been shown that metalbending has extensive utility. Also, you forgot about lavabending.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      Re: Pokenerd2267

      1. I guess, but you could just dodge.

      2. That's true, though if you want rock or sand in the middle of the ocean, good luck surviving the trip miles down in order to get it.

      3. No, but firebenders, waterbenders, & sometimes even airbenders have all broken boulders pretty regularly. Not that you necessarily have to break an attack to avoid it, it can also be redirected. Plus, as I keep pointing out, waterbenders can even slice through solid steel.

      4. Could do the same with water, just gotta refresh it every once in a while so it won't melt.

      5. Well, Toph is arguably the Greatest Earthbender in the World, but other than that.

      6. Except, again, all of those times earthbending has been penetrated.

      7. Is this supposed to be ironic? Because I think it's really been shown that metalbending has extensive utility. Also, you forgot about lavabending.

      Those are true; But I put Metalbending in as a hypothetical sitatuion in such a case that you would need it, just hypothetically. I tried to prioritize my reasons for defense/sheltering ex; Rock tent, etc. But yeah, Waterbending is pretty powerful too, I just have a strong preference to Earthbending. And I'll be honest, I did forget about Lavabending; I haven't really watched the show that much recently.

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    • I would say this is the list. In no way does this mean that the last element is weak, it just doesn't have as many advantages as the others. Also, the philosophy of each element is also disregarded, as well as their connotation. 

      1. Firebending (Lightning and Redirection)

      Firebending is the only element that occures less naturally, so you can just create the element, which is super handy. Plus, lightning is the one attack that I think can't be reasonably countered except for redirection, and we don't know how many people can redirect lightning. In Avatar, it was only Zuko, Iroh and Aang. 

      2. Earthbending (Metalbending and Lavabending

      The ultimate defense - turned - counterattack for bending, earthbending is the most solid form of bending. Very strict actions, and insane payoff. Plus, metalbending and lavabending are epic, as well as being insanely powerful. Metal is an unnatural element, so being able to bend it would be a feat of great strength. 

      Side Note: Since lavabending is just a combination of earthbending and firebending, wouldn't it make sense that the Avatar can lavabend?

      3. Waterbending (Bloodbending and Healing)

      The ability to waterbend is a real gift, considering water covers 3/4 of the Earth's surface. Not only that, but bloodbending is a scary and nearly unbeatable and healing is just plain useful. Although, I don't know if it applies to internal diseases, like cancer. 

      4. Airbending

      Airbending is really powerful, but it isn't as effective as chucking a rock as someone, or blazing someone with fire. The most you're doing is pushing someone back, but the evasion, dodging and athletic ability is what makes it really valuable. 

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    • For once, I think equality is truly exist. Among the bendings, I think they all are equal.

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      For once, I think equality is truly exist. Among the bendings, I think they all are equal.

      For basic bending, each element has its share of positives and negatives. Once you get into specializied forms, I think some of the styles offer more than others. Bloodbending alone seems extremely powerful compared to any other in the entire show. Not just physically but also physiologically.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      For once, I think equality is truly exist. Among the bendings, I think they all are equal.
      For basic bending, each element has its share of positives and negatives. Once you get into specializied forms, I think some of the styles offer more than others. Bloodbending alone seems extremely powerful compared to any other in the entire show. Not just physically but also physiologically.


      Bloodbending is not a form of itself, but a specialsied form of waterbending


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    • AvatarAero wrote:

      4. Airbending

      Airbending is really powerful, but it isn't as effective as chucking a rock as someone, or blazing someone with fire. The most you're doing is pushing someone back, but the evasion, dodging and athletic ability is what makes it really valuable. 


      In it's most advanced form though, Airbending is the silent death of asphyxiation which leaves the victim helpless by isolating them from any other form  of elemental manipulation as the very air is drawn out of the victim's lungs.

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    • Seriously, why can't just say that every bendings are all equal?

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    • Drahliana wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:

      4. Airbending

      Airbending is really powerful, but it isn't as effective as chucking a rock as someone, or blazing someone with fire. The most you're doing is pushing someone back, but the evasion, dodging and athletic ability is what makes it really valuable. 


      In it's most advanced form though, Airbending is the silent death of asphyxiation which leaves the victim helpless by isolating them from any other form  of elemental manipulation as the very air is drawn out of the victim's lungs.

      Yes, but it's more on either dodging, blocking or counterattacking than really killing someone. Air is a very powerful element, but we only see Zaheer kill someone with it. It's damn powerful though. 

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    • According to Uncle Iroh each element has its own strengths and weaknesses, and so none of them can be counted as the strongest.

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    • Gilgamesh777 wrote:
      According to Uncle Iroh each element has its own strengths and weaknesses, and so none of them can be counted as the strongest.

      That's what I tried to say, all bendings are equal.

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    • [...] Here's the problem with the "strengths & weakness" argument: Going back to the analogy of the elements as RPG classes, say you put the warrior & the wizard into a duel, controlling for other variables like level, inventory, etc. Yeah, they have "strengths & weaknesses," but one of them has the RIGHT strengths to win[....]
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    • I honestly think that firebending would be the most useful in any given situation, because you can be deprived of all the other elements (save air, which would be the hardest to remove you from, although I have an idea) like the members of the Red Lotus were in their respective prisons. But firebending is the one type of bending that you create, and so without a source material, it is the most versatile.

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    • Why everyone cannot say that all bendings are equal?

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    • Probably because everybody has their own favorite element, and so naturally they would envision it as being better than the others.

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    • Not only that, but there are just some bending abilities that are better than others in certain situations.

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    • Bersarker wrote: Why everyone cannot say that all bendings are equal?

      Because it's not truuuuue.

      Also balance fallacy.

      Probably because everybody has their own favorite element, and so naturally they would envision it as being better than the others.

      Water is not my favorite element. Fire probably is, though it's the weakest once subskills are accounted for. Even without subskills, it's still only about 3rd.

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    • Another firebender!

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    • Everything has the good and bad in itself. I think bendings are no differences.

      Thisi s the term of equal that I mean. What that is strong always has weakness.

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      Everything has the good and bad in itself. I think bendings are no differences.

      Thisi s the term of equal that I mean. What that is strong always has weakness.

      Yes, but you have to consider the situation as well as the person for each bending element. A meek firebender would not be considered strong, even if it was unanimously declared that firebending is the strongest type of bending. 

      Additionally, if you're stuck on an island, and can only firebend, there isn't much to do in the way of saving yourself. Each bending element is strong in certain areas, but ones that are strong in more common areas become more useful and therefore powerful.

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    • AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      Everything has the good and bad in itself. I think bendings are no differences.

      Thisi s the term of equal that I mean. What that is strong always has weakness.

      Yes, but you have to consider the situation as well as the person for each bending element. A meek firebender would not be considered strong, even if it was unanimously declared that firebending is the strongest type of bending. 

      Additionally, if you're stuck on an island, and can only firebend, there isn't much to do in the way of saving yourself. Each bending element is strong in certain areas, but ones that are strong in more common areas become more useful and therefore powerful.

      So what is the best for you, may I ask.

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    • Personally, I'm a firebender.

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    • Mine is nothing because in my point of view, they all are equal and have their own uniqueness of the time.

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      Mine is nothing because in my point of view, they all are equal and have their own uniqueness of the time.

      That's your own opinion.

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    • AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      Mine is nothing because in my point of view, they all are equal and have their own uniqueness of the time.
      That's your own opinion.

      Everyone has the right to say it, right?

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      Mine is nothing because in my point of view, they all are equal and have their own uniqueness of the time.
      That's your own opinion.
      Everyone has the right to say it, right?

      Of course. I didn't say that you can't have one.

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    • AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      Mine is nothing because in my point of view, they all are equal and have their own uniqueness of the time.
      That's your own opinion.
      Everyone has the right to say it, right?
      Of course. I didn't say that you can't have one.

      Thanks. So why did you like firebending? Because it is very destructive, right?

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      Mine is nothing because in my point of view, they all are equal and have their own uniqueness of the time.
      That's your own opinion.
      Everyone has the right to say it, right?
      Of course. I didn't say that you can't have one.
      Thanks. So why did you like firebending? Because it is very destructive, right?

      No, that's not it, but I enjoy you jumping to conclusions on why I would like things. 

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    • When it came to the specialized ones, what can be the best?

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      When it came to the specialized ones, what can be the best?

      Probably energybending. Most powerful, and most manipulative.

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    • AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      When it came to the specialized ones, what can be the best?
      Probably energybending. Most powerful, and most manipulative.

      Besiding from take awayand giving back bendings, can it does more?

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      When it came to the specialized ones, what can be the best?
      Probably energybending. Most powerful, and most manipulative.
      Besiding from take awayand giving back bendings, can it does more?

      Of course, I wouldn't know, but I would make it also able to increase someone's bending aptitude by manipulating their spiritual energy, which is really what bending is.

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    • AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      When it came to the specialized ones, what can be the best?
      Probably energybending. Most powerful, and most manipulative.
      Besiding from take awayand giving back bendings, can it does more?
      Of course, I wouldn't know, but I would make it also able to increase someone's bending aptitude by manipulating their spiritual energy, which is really what bending is.

      Do you think this is possible?

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    • Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      When it came to the specialized ones, what can be the best?
      Probably energybending. Most powerful, and most manipulative.
      Besiding from take awayand giving back bendings, can it does more?
      Of course, I wouldn't know, but I would make it also able to increase someone's bending aptitude by manipulating their spiritual energy, which is really what bending is.
      Do you think this is possible?

      Yes.

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    • AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      AvatarAero wrote:
      Bersarker wrote:
      When it came to the specialized ones, what can be the best?
      Probably energybending. Most powerful, and most manipulative.
      Besiding from take awayand giving back bendings, can it does more?
      Of course, I wouldn't know, but I would make it also able to increase someone's bending aptitude by manipulating their spiritual energy, which is really what bending is.
      Do you think this is possible?
      Yes.

      How?

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    • Energy is the strongest of them all. You can't have the elements without the energy that fuels them.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      Energy is the strongest of them all. You can't have the elements without the energy that fuels them.

      The spiritual energy that fuels the control of the elements.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      Energy is the strongest of them all. You can't have the elements without the energy that fuels them.

      Sounds resonable. But is it possible to display the power for the direct attack?

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      Energy is the strongest of them all. You can't have the elements without the energy that fuels them.

      But is it really an element like the others?

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    • Waterbending because of psychic bloodbending, followed by airbending because of flight.

      Energybending would be near last because of how close you have to be to use it and it's lack of support skills.

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    • Has anyone ever figure the use for energy more than being just a fuel for bendings out?

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    • I have to go with air bending because it has a lot of potential. If you can heat up and cool down water, I'm sure you can dot he same with air. There's flight, astral projection. Suffocation can be used after you knock someone off of their feet before they get back up. Imagine voiding an area of air then letting it crash down on someone! Then it's pretty much invisible which is perhaps it's greatest strength.

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    • Officially all the elements are balanced.

      In practice, waterbending is easily the best in terms of actual displayed scale and power short of firebending, which needs Sozin's Comet to even be in the same league. And that's not even getting into bloodbending.

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    • It seems energy cannot be anything but fuel, then. Right?

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    • Intelligence4 wrote:
      but let's say you can only energybend, and your opponent can bend one of the four elements.

      you're gonna lose every time. you have to have your opponent in a very specific position to energybend him. you're not going to get that chance.

      @tizzit

      "energybending" isn't referring to bending actual physical energy; that's what firebending is. "energybending" is bending one's spiritual energy, aka, one's chi.

      Korra energy bent in her ubber giant form. she was using consentrated beams of pure energy kind of like a death star ray. its concievable that you wouldn't need to be in giant form to do so. and according to the lion turtle all beings energy bent before the elements.meaning it is a universal ability that can be learnt

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Intelligence4 wrote:
      but let's say you can only energybend, and your opponent can bend one of the four elements.

      you're gonna lose every time. you have to have your opponent in a very specific position to energybend him. you're not going to get that chance.

      @tizzit

      "energybending" isn't referring to bending actual physical energy; that's what firebending is. "energybending" is bending one's spiritual energy, aka, one's chi.

      Korra energy bent in her ubber giant form. she was using consentrated beams of pure energy kind of like a death star ray. its concievable that you wouldn't need to be in giant form to do so. and according to the lion turtle all beings energy bent before the elements.meaning it is a universal ability that can be learnt

      Pretty sure they said that that was the bending around before elemental types, not that every living thing had it. And even if they could bend energy, I doubt they could do it nearly as efficiently or powerfully as an avatar in a god tree

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    • Onomatopoeia wrote:
      Officially all the elements are balanced.

      In practice, waterbending is easily the best in terms of actual displayed scale and power short of firebending, which needs Sozin's Comet to even be in the same league. And that's not even getting into bloodbending.


      Unless you're dueling in the daylight.  Katara only manages to hold off Zuko with the power of the full moon behind her,  once the sun rises though,  Zuko turns literally the tide of that battle.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Intelligence4 wrote:
      but let's say you can only energybend, and your opponent can bend one of the four elements.

      you're gonna lose every time. you have to have your opponent in a very specific position to energybend him. you're not going to get that chance.

      @tizzit

      "energybending" isn't referring to bending actual physical energy; that's what firebending is. "energybending" is bending one's spiritual energy, aka, one's chi.

      Korra energy bent in her ubber giant form. she was using consentrated beams of pure energy kind of like a death star ray. its concievable that you wouldn't need to be in giant form to do so. and according to the lion turtle all beings energy bent before the elements.meaning it is a universal ability that can be learnt
      Pretty sure they said that that was the bending around before elemental types, not that every living thing had it. And even if they could bend energy, I doubt they could do it nearly as efficiently or powerfully as an avatar in a god tree

      the avatar's abilities in combat are only as powerful as they because they can bend all 4 elements. prowess in an individual art is meaningless. the fact that Korra is an avatar means jack shart abotu her being able to energy bend. also Tenzin told her to use the power of "her own" soul and spirit not the avatar's so when she was in her giant blue form that was simple old korra not avatar Korra

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    • Depends, are we talking about fights or in general?

      Cause for fights pretty much:

      1. Fire: You can basically always use it, it has a lot of destructive potential(can vaporize water and destroy earthshields), it's very fast, you can basically fly with it(and surf), it has shields(Azulas shield was even solid, cause it blocked a earth attack + a boomeraang :), you can amp your strength(Azula did it in black sun and especially the beach), you can make functionally weapons and lightning is: deadly, destructive, very fast(except generating, but there is instant lightning and actually a good counter to water(body-connected techniques), earth(destroys it), air(can't rly block it), metal(if connected to the body) and even bloodbending(shoot it in the brief moment you can free yourself).

      There is a good reason why they started the war and were that good with it.

      Waterbending is either together on 1 if we count psychic bloodbending(but that's a bit questionable), or last due to the very big problematic with the watersource and slowness of big scale moves.

      For general use pretty much:

      1. Water: Healing, bloodbending, ice building, large scale, freezing, etc...

      The others are also useful, but water is 1 due to versatility.

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    • 1. Fire:...it's very fast, you can basically fly with it(and surf),

      It's strongly suggested that jet propulsion functions as more of a gliding maneuver if Sozin's Comet isn't around.

      lightning is: deadly, destructive, very fast(except generating, but there is instant lightning and actually a good counter to water(body-connected techniques), earth(destroys it), air(can't rly block it), metal(if connected to the body) and even bloodbending(shoot it in the brief moment you can free yourself).

      There's actually a lot of good ways to counter lightning, you just have to know what you're doing. You could ground yourself, detach some of your bending element to absorb the shock (& then throw it at the opponent for added measure), use an ice shield (since ice is a poor conductor), & given that lightning redirection was learned by watching waterbenders, it should be possible for them to perform a similar move. Plus, the lightning has to go through the air to get to the target, so anything that significantly alters the air composition is likely to throw it off track, including a lot of water vapor or a huge gust of wind. Air shields have been shown to be strong enough to repel a firebender's blasts, so y'know.

      Waterbending is either together on 1 if we count psychic bloodbending(but that's a bit questionable), or last due to the very big problematic with the watersource and slowness of big scale moves.

      Water is extremely powerful even under terrible conditions. You essentially only need enough water to cover your fingertips to have a blade that can slice through steel.

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote:
      It's strongly suggested that jet propulsion functions as more of a gliding maneuver if Sozin's Comet isn't around.


       
      There's actually a lot of good ways to counter lightning, you just have to know what you're doing. You could ground yourself, detach some of your bending element to absorb the shock (& then throw it at the opponent for added measure), use an ice shield (since ice is a poor conductor), & given that lightning redirection was learned by watching waterbenders, it should be possible for them to perform a similar move. Plus, the lightning has to go through the air to get to the target, so anything that significantly alters the air composition is likely to throw it off track, including a lot of water vapor or a huge gust of wind. Air shields have been shown to be strong enough to repel a firebender's blasts, so y'know.


       
      Water is extremely powerful even under terrible conditions. You essentially only need enough water to cover your fingertips to have a blade that can slice through steel.

      1. Were exactly is that strongly suggested? But even if is it still extreme helpful to have the ability to throw yourself in the air, and especially surfing in combo with a strong attacks(like in crossroads).

      2. The first problem is, lightning is faster than almost all other attacks, except fast air attacks maybe. The second problem is, lightning has a big force in Avatar(the ice shield would explode exactly like Tophs earthshield exploded). Also is it 100% impossible for waterbenders to redirect lightning, they don't have the ability to manipulate other elements(which includes lightning). Air composition would very likely work, but there is still the speed problem. And it's pretty unlikely that airshields can just repel lightning(stronger than fireblasts and different energy form).

      3. Water is extremely weak under terrible conditions, and such a blade is completely useless against a fire or airbender(it's actually not even rly good against earthbenders). A firebender would just blast you away(like Azula on the drill, and that was at least a relevant amount of water), a airbender would just blow you away(you have basically zero defense) and a earthbender would just trap you underground(what would you do with the blade?)

      The fireblades are actually more useful for fights(and firebenders have through the amps, fast small blasts and instant lightning already good CQC possibilities, you can just turn them on or off, they have burn and melt effects(Azulas maybe even vaporize) and you can transform them.

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    • 1. Only Ozai has just jetted straight into the air, & even then only during the Comet's passing. The closest thing since then has been Iroh II, who only used it to glide relatively short distances from 1 plane to the next.

      2. The alleged nigh unbeatable speed isn't a very convincing argument, considering we've seen that Zuko is able to run to intercept a lightning attack. What you're neglecting is that the water itself would usually conduct electricity, ergo any waterbender who knows the basics of the water whip & has good enough reflexes could do it. Also, why do you seem to think they need to stop it & keep their barrier up for it to be an effective defense? If it's knocked off-course or stopped but at the expense of destroying the barrier, that's good enough.

      3. I don't want to alarm you, but human flesh is less durable than steel. "They'll just do X" is a pretty absurd argument, I can easily counter with, "No they won't, because the waterbender will just cut them in half." The key to victory is versatility, & waterbending is nothing if not versatile. Waterbenders have been shown to be able to freeze vapor, which is an effective counter to fire, they could launch the blade through an oncoming attack so the opponent doesn't see it coming, or send it out as vapor & solidify it into a blade, & so on. The key to waterbending is cleverness.

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    • The Cage wrote:
      Earth pretty easily imo. Earth can block fire, water, and air, but none of those elements can block earthbending.

      In the last fight between Aang and Ozai we saw that Aang could break a rock column with air. Obviously that's with the strength of the Avatar State but still, you can break it. We also saw that Hama could break earth with waterbending. We ALSO saw that Aang couldn't defend himself and Katara versus Azula. In TLoK, we saw that Kya used her ice to defend herself and Bumi against Ghazan's rocks. 

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    • water, because of the fact that water covers about the majority of the world, and if for some Reason an avatar is pushed Over the edge. it can The avatar to create a massive tidal wave that can level cities like republic city and the majority of its inhabitants waking up in the Other world or the afterlife.

      But air is my favorite element, especially after zaheer Employed asphyxiation and flight. It only made my fondness for airbending increase.

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    • The Painted Man wrote:
      I would say that Earthbending would be the strongest element. The reason I say this is because, even though fire has combustion, water has bloodbending and air can make you fly, all of these require a VERY high level of skill. Throughout the series, only ONE person could use combustion bending, only FOUR people could bloodbend and only ONE person could fly. Overall it would just be too much training for a normal person, as most people are looking at learning the elements from and avatar's perspective, where they learn them within a week, but for normal people it would be very hard. Moreover, not all waterbenders can heal, and when they can they cannot heal fatal injuries, even one of the most skilled healers, Katara, could heal Aang without the special water when he recieved a fatal injury. In this paragraph I hopefully have raised awareness that you can't just master an element easily.

      Now I will continue on to water bending as I have seen many others say that it is the best element in other forums and blogs. As I have already stressed in the recent paragraph, you may not be able to bloodbend and heal with water, so I have cancelled out it's subpowers. Now I will state it's other weaknesses. As well as fire, water element has a special day when it is at it's weakest, an eclipse, without a moon they are defenseless. At at day they are especially weak. Whilst Earth and air don't have these weaknesses. Also, you can only bloodbend on a full moon, and IF YOU ARE SKILLED ENOUGH. Furthermore, I have to stress, YOU CANNOT JUST CREATE A HUGE FLOOD OR A TSUNAMI THAT WILL WIPE ALL HUMANITY FROM THE FACE OF EARTH, we have to be realistic and say that you can only bend as much as what your Alta  (it may be refered to as Chi or life energy) allows you to bend. So anyways, if a water bender is up against an earth bender water can't really do anything against a big pillar of earth. Lastly it takes alot of control and balance to water bend properly.

      Firebending, this is not a highly destructive, earth destroying elemnet, fire absolutely cannot harm a pillar or a sheild of earth, combustion is a fantasy, only one person was known to do it and he had to train very hard for it, true that it was indeed worth it, but could he counter half a dozen metal spikes aimed at him by a metalbender? No. I also once saw that fire is very weak against air, why? Because air is needed to make fire, you  take away that air, then there is no fire, you can also redirect it with air. Fire is also affected by eclipses and whether it is day or night.

      Air is very weak, but a good element for evasion, demonstrated by Tenzin. But he is also a wind monk, that has trained for years, maybe decades to get to his current skill, but that is basically it and it can to no damage to a pillar of earth. You will not be able to fly like Zaheer as it take enourmous meditation.

      Earth though is a very strong and reliable element. In my opinion this element was badly shown in series, as all they did was throw boulders around, I think that the average person's Alta should be much more powerful than just being able to throw around a few boulder and make pillars of earth, but they should be able to make tremors in the earth, but that is another topic, and I am not prepared into going to such depths. Ironbending, unlike other sub elements is easy to master, as said from Tofu when she said to Bolin that she had a school that taught even nut cases like him how to bend iron, furthermore there were plently of people seen in the series that had mastery of iron, iron is a very useful element to control as you can use metal spikes and then control them to go behind an enemy and stab them from behind, using liquid metal as body armour, tightening and controling chains and many other things. Another sub element of earth that is easy to control is sand, there were many sandbenders seen in the series and Tofu managed to learn it easyily, so it must not be such a hard sub element to learn. There are many benefits of controlling sand, and if you have watch Naruto and know Gaara then I believe I need to say no more, and for those who don't know him, then research on him because I don't have time for making yet another paragraph just for sandbending. There is also lavabending, but since I HAVE said that you need a high level for these things, like combustion and lavabending, I am not going to contradict myself and say that a perk of earth element is lava bending, because you need to train for that. SO earth is the easiest to learn as well as it's sub elements, and it is the most versitile, as I have mentioned before, you just can't go and destroy an earth barrier. Moreover, with earth you can basically build anything and even a mansion, you can also detect lies if you are good enough. Lastly, I'd like you to think about the other sub elements earth might have: trees and plants, they contain minerals like the earth and iron does, so can they be bent-Woodbending, Mudbending and potential bloodbending as our body also contains minerals.

      Thank you so much for reading 30 min of my work.

      Sorry, but this is the stupidest comment on the thread, First of all TWO people could fly, Secondly Air isn't "weak" it has strong jabs and can evade, Two people have used Combustion You just favor earth please just shut up

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    • I think that blood bending is the strongest even though it is bad and you can resist it. I think it's the strongest because you can control the other persons blood which means you can control what they do oooor kill them. 

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    • AdamantiumBladez wrote:
      Air. I will definitely go with Air then.

      If air is the most powerful element as you were saying, then why did Airbenders get wiped out?

      PS. I know Sozin's Comet gives Firebenders the power of a hundred suns, but shouldn't be there at least more than Aang who managed to fight and survived? (In ATLA)

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    • Water is the most powerful element in my opinion. Not only you could control other people and force your own will over theirs through the use of bloodbending, you can also draw water out of thin air, out of plants and flowers and trees, mudbend, freeze and unfreeze anything or anyone, breathe underwater by creating a bubble around you, and so much more. 

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    • Iakompake101 wrote:
      AdamantiumBladez wrote:
      Air. I will definitely go with Air then.
      If air is the most powerful element as you were saying, then why did Airbenders get wiped out?

      PS. I know Sozin's Comet gives Firebenders the power of a hundred suns, but shouldn't be there at least more than Aang who managed to fight and survived? (In ATLA)

      It may have been due to their peaceful ways. Also, there are theories that say not all airbenders except Aang were wiped out, just most. One thing I always wondered was how did the benders at the Western Air Temple get wiped out? It was intact and under a cliffside. 

      But other than that, we don't even know if Aang is the only one who survived, it's just heavily implied. 

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    • According to the comics, a small number of airbenders DID survive the initial genocide by fleeing the temples. The Fire Nation hunted them down over the century that followed until none were left. An especially effective tactic that they used was to use relics looted from the temples as bait to lure surviving airbenders into remote areas, where they would then be ambushed by Fire Nation soldiers and captured/killed. 

      Zhao used the same tactic against Aang in the comics, and succeeded in capturing him. Aang, however, was able to use some of the relics to escape and flee.

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    • 81cheney wrote:
      Iakompake101 wrote:
      AdamantiumBladez wrote:
      Air. I will definitely go with Air then.
      If air is the most powerful element as you were saying, then why did Airbenders get wiped out?

      PS. I know Sozin's Comet gives Firebenders the power of a hundred suns, but shouldn't be there at least more than Aang who managed to fight and survived? (In ATLA)

      It may have been due to their peaceful ways. Also, there are theories that say not all airbenders except Aang were wiped out, just most. One thing I always wondered was how did the benders at the Western Air Temple get wiped out? It was intact and under a cliffside. 

      But other than that, we don't even know if Aang is the only one who survived, it's just heavily implied. 

      Due to their peaceful ways? Aren't there evidences that Gyatso used his bending to kill comet-fueled Firebenders? One more thing. Aang is the ONLY ONE who survived. It was not just heavily implied, it was confirmed by its title. THE LAST AIRBENDER.

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    • I think out of all of them I say Aether since it is the rest of the part outside of Earth.

      Where the others cannot reach or touch.

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    • Gfzone wrote:
      I think out of all of them I say Aether since it is the rest of the part outside of Earth.

      Where the others cannot reach or touch.

      Aether's not actually a thing in the Avatar-verse. The only other thing that could be compared to it in terms of being something beyond the four basic elements(Air, Water, Earth, Fire) is energybending, which is something only the Avatar can do.

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    • I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:
      I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

      I'm just going to second this.

      Also, if you think about it, a very high control of airbending could help control the air around any object, and move Earth, or Water. And Air can control the fire by removing the Oxigen.

      Other words, a great airbending masters could become, in a way, a "Master of the Four Elements".

      Also, if you think about it, if we look back at Unalaq, he could fight off any element easily, but what happened when he had to face Korra's airbending? He didn't know how to react, and was shoked down. This demonstrates that the world, as 170 AG, has got used to the absence of airbending, and people don't really know how to fight against it unless you have some knowledge of the art (Tenzin, Zaheer…) [also, In the first episode of Book Four we see a thief managed to avoid Kai's airbending, I'm discounting that since Kai's airbending probably needed some polishment, or the guy just had a bit of airbending knowledge].

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    • Honestly fire is still probably the most deadly even with all the subset

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    • With a burn, how dangerous it is depends mainly on the intensity & how much area it covers. A good water blade to an artery, or lopping off a limb, will kill you in minutes, possibly seconds. Really, the water blade is just overpowered in general.

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    • AirMasterParker wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

      I'm just going to second this.

      Also, if you think about it, a very high control of airbending could help control the air around any object, and move Earth, or Water. And Air can control the fire by removing the Oxigen.

      Other words, a great airbending masters could become, in a way, a "Master of the Four Elements".

      Also, if you think about it, if we look back at Unalaq, he could fight off any element easily, but what happened when he had to face Korra's airbending? He didn't know how to react, and was shoked down. This demonstrates that the world, as 170 AG, has got used to the absence of airbending, and people don't really know how to fight against it unless you have some knowledge of the art (Tenzin, Zaheer…) [also, In the first episode of Book Four we see a thief managed to avoid Kai's airbending, I'm discounting that since Kai's airbending probably needed some polishment, or the guy just had a bit of airbending knowledge].

      They wouldn't be mastering the element, since mastering would be being able to create it, an AIrbender couldn't create Fire or move Water the way a Waterbender can same with Earth

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    • Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

      I'm just going to second this.

      Also, if you think about it, a very high control of airbending could help control the air around any object, and move Earth, or Water. And Air can control the fire by removing the Oxigen.

      Other words, a great airbending masters could become, in a way, a "Master of the Four Elements".

      Also, if you think about it, if we look back at Unalaq, he could fight off any element easily, but what happened when he had to face Korra's airbending? He didn't know how to react, and was shoked down. This demonstrates that the world, as 170 AG, has got used to the absence of airbending, and people don't really know how to fight against it unless you have some knowledge of the art (Tenzin, Zaheer…) [also, In the first episode of Book Four we see a thief managed to avoid Kai's airbending, I'm discounting that since Kai's airbending probably needed some polishment, or the guy just had a bit of airbending knowledge].

      They wouldn't be mastering the element, since mastering would be being able to create it, an AIrbender couldn't create Fire or move Water the way a Waterbender can same with Earth

      Aang moved some rocks with an air funnel back in Book One: Water, when he had no knowledge of earthbending. Apply the same method to fire and water and you can technically control the other elements.

      "Master of the four Elements" is away of speaking, of course an airbender can't control the other elements like the Avatar can, but something is something.

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    • AirMasterParker wrote:
      Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

      I'm just going to second this.

      Also, if you think about it, a very high control of airbending could help control the air around any object, and move Earth, or Water. And Air can control the fire by removing the Oxigen.

      Other words, a great airbending masters could become, in a way, a "Master of the Four Elements".

      Also, if you think about it, if we look back at Unalaq, he could fight off any element easily, but what happened when he had to face Korra's airbending? He didn't know how to react, and was shoked down. This demonstrates that the world, as 170 AG, has got used to the absence of airbending, and people don't really know how to fight against it unless you have some knowledge of the art (Tenzin, Zaheer…) [also, In the first episode of Book Four we see a thief managed to avoid Kai's airbending, I'm discounting that since Kai's airbending probably needed some polishment, or the guy just had a bit of airbending knowledge].

      They wouldn't be mastering the element, since mastering would be being able to create it, an AIrbender couldn't create Fire or move Water the way a Waterbender can same with Earth
      Aang moved some rocks with an air funnel back in Book One: Water, when he had no knowledge of earthbending. Apply the same method to fire and water and you can technically control the other elements.

      "Master of the four Elements" is away of speaking, of course an airbender can't control the other elements like the Avatar can, but something is something.

      But did Aang control them the same way with as an Earthbender? No, that's why Air and Earth are seperate elements. And dispelling Fire is something Air,Earth and Water can all do.

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    • Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

      I'm just going to second this.

      Also, if you think about it, a very high control of airbending could help control the air around any object, and move Earth, or Water. And Air can control the fire by removing the Oxigen.

      Other words, a great airbending masters could become, in a way, a "Master of the Four Elements".

      Also, if you think about it, if we look back at Unalaq, he could fight off any element easily, but what happened when he had to face Korra's airbending? He didn't know how to react, and was shoked down. This demonstrates that the world, as 170 AG, has got used to the absence of airbending, and people don't really know how to fight against it unless you have some knowledge of the art (Tenzin, Zaheer…) [also, In the first episode of Book Four we see a thief managed to avoid Kai's airbending, I'm discounting that since Kai's airbending probably needed some polishment, or the guy just had a bit of airbending knowledge].

      They wouldn't be mastering the element, since mastering would be being able to create it, an AIrbender couldn't create Fire or move Water the way a Waterbender can same with Earth
      Aang moved some rocks with an air funnel back in Book One: Water, when he had no knowledge of earthbending. Apply the same method to fire and water and you can technically control the other elements.

      "Master of the four Elements" is away of speaking, of course an airbender can't control the other elements like the Avatar can, but something is something.

      But did Aang control them the same way with as an Earthbender? No, that's why Air and Earth are seperate elements. And dispelling Fire is something Air,Earth and Water can all do.

      I'm not saying he did.

      But a master airbender, who could be better than Aang himself, could make bigger things.

      I never said an airbender would control the other elements like in waterbending or earthbending, but at least he/she could make something.

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    • AirMasterParker wrote:
      Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

      I'm just going to second this.

      Also, if you think about it, a very high control of airbending could help control the air around any object, and move Earth, or Water. And Air can control the fire by removing the Oxigen.

      Other words, a great airbending masters could become, in a way, a "Master of the Four Elements".

      Also, if you think about it, if we look back at Unalaq, he could fight off any element easily, but what happened when he had to face Korra's airbending? He didn't know how to react, and was shoked down. This demonstrates that the world, as 170 AG, has got used to the absence of airbending, and people don't really know how to fight against it unless you have some knowledge of the art (Tenzin, Zaheer…) [also, In the first episode of Book Four we see a thief managed to avoid Kai's airbending, I'm discounting that since Kai's airbending probably needed some polishment, or the guy just had a bit of airbending knowledge].

      They wouldn't be mastering the element, since mastering would be being able to create it, an AIrbender couldn't create Fire or move Water the way a Waterbender can same with Earth
      Aang moved some rocks with an air funnel back in Book One: Water, when he had no knowledge of earthbending. Apply the same method to fire and water and you can technically control the other elements.

      "Master of the four Elements" is away of speaking, of course an airbender can't control the other elements like the Avatar can, but something is something.

      But did Aang control them the same way with as an Earthbender? No, that's why Air and Earth are seperate elements. And dispelling Fire is something Air,Earth and Water can all do.
      I'm not saying he did.

      But a master airbender, who could be better than Aang himself, could make bigger things.

      I never said an airbender would control the other elements like in waterbending or earthbending, but at least he/she could make something.

      An Earthebender can block the attacks of all the elements, They can block Earth,Air,Water and fire

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    • Just saying but....

      FIRE IS THE BEST ELEMENT!

      Fire can control lightning as it is a part of heat waves, we know that to make lightning you need antimatterical partices (not actural antimatter they are $25 000 000 000 per gram :P)  atoms and electrons to create magnesium thus creating enough static in the world to create a lightning bolt so then you would need a FIRE BENDER to control the lightning and strike a person. The heat involved is high but a fire bender can chnage the tempreture to being hotter than the sun by just with their will.

      Fire is an must need part of life, without it human living would have been so different 1 thing is there would be no internet because of the ELECTRICAL waves passed onto different wi fi servers.

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    • If we are talking about masters, I’d say waterbending bc bloodbending can kill instantly by messing with someone’s insides, they don’t do that in the show for obvious reasons. You can definitely be very powerful with any element though.

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    • Fire can control lightning as it is a part of heat waves

      Clearly firebenders can control lightning since we see them do it, but it's not "part of heat waves." Heat is the result of matter absorbing the infrared energy of photons, but lightning is an massive discharge of static electricity transferred through electrons.

      we know that to make lightning you need antimatterical partices (not actural antimatter they are $25 000 000 000 per gram :P)

      Lightning isn't caused by antimatter, but a quick search indicates it's been found to release gamma rays, which then interact with the atmosphere to create antimatter as a byproduct. In other words, the antimatter comes from the lightning, not the other way around.

      atoms and electrons to create magnesium thus creating enough static in the world to create a lightning bolt

      I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. This time, a search doesn't indicate any link between magnesium & lightning (except fake lightning flashes used in theater which doesn't count), in fact it says magnesium is a mediocre electrical conductor. The electrical charge of lightning is generally thought to be caused by the friction of ice particles in the air.

      The heat involved is high but a fire bender can chnage the tempreture to being hotter than the sun by just with their will.

      Lightning is normally hotter than the surface of the sun, though I suspect lightning created by a firebender is probably less energetic, since it isn't made from miles of static discharge. Anyway, other than redirecting a genuine lightning bolt, firebenders aren't shown using anything anywhere near that hot. Team Avatar even needed special torches to cut the Colossus's platinum armor, because normal firebending wasn't hot enough.

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    • Excluding nonsense like Yakone bloodbending(which was just a so obviously bad idea that i don't even know what the authors of TLOK Book 1 were smoking as they came up with that, but is obviously the strongest style) seems this thread just to be about personal bias and favourite elements.

      If i need to choose a main element for 1on1 fights would i most likely choose fire, for group fights most likely earth, for fights in special areas most likely water and to avoid direct combat most likely air. For more civil uses can someone do the same and so on, if we look at both series in detail becomes it just clear that we saw different amounts of skilled, highly skilled and so on benders for the different elements but not rly much about an actually different potential(water for example had more skilled benders than fire, but Azula or P'Li for example if we want to include sub-styles barring Yakone bloodbending are still notably better than the vast majority of these and just to add them together and consider that as the potential of the respective elements makes not much sense in the end) and there is also the problem of underperformances/jobbing/context and so on.

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    • Master Hykardion wrote:
      Excluding nonsense like Yakone bloodbending(which was just a so obviously bad idea that i don't even know what the authors of TLOK Book 1 were smoking as they came up with that, but is obviously the strongest style)

      What made it such a bad idea? It's clear Yakone and his progeny were anomalies (meaning that sort of power wont just be popping up every week) and even though their bending was freakish, it wasn't so much that it rendered the story unbelievable. 

      Really, the thing about a power debate is that the creators of the story kind of crafted bending styles to balance and counter each other--it will always come down to the talent of the user. 

      That said, I still believe there are some elements that have an advantage simply for their ubquity: every opponent you face usually needs to breathe and there's no place on the planet that's a vacuum, so airbending, in my opinion, is tied for arguable best (see previous paragraph) simply for it's range. Of course, a sufficiently determined waterbender can can only learn to bloodbend, but soothe spirits (the sort of threats that might not acually need to breathe), and even if bloodbending is out of the question... well, most of their opponents are 70% water, meaning it covers some areas even airbending can't and seems to have the overall greatest utility. But like I said, they were all created with counterbalance in mind so *shrugs*

      (besides I think we all know the real most powerful style is energybending, that shit's OP)

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    • Mrsunrider wrote:
      Master Hykardion wrote:
      Excluding nonsense like Yakone bloodbending(which was just a so obviously bad idea that i don't even know what the authors of TLOK Book 1 were smoking as they came up with that, but is obviously the strongest style)

      What made it such a bad idea? It's clear Yakone and his progeny were anomalies (meaning that sort of power wont just be popping up every week) and even though their bending was freakish, it wasn't so much that it rendered the story unbelievable. 

      The fact that you either need to be a bloodbender or the Avatar to effectively defend yourself against bloodbending and that it has no actual drawbacks(leads usually to jobbing, although they explained Amon's jobbing relatively reasonable), it's an absolute balance-killer, limits the possibilities with the plot and characters who have it and it was pretty much just lazy writing to toss away the deliberate(for a damn good reason) limitation of bloodbending.

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    • I'm inclined to agree with Hykardion there. It was also used as an ad hoc explanation for Amon's power to remove bending, which wasn't even shown to be something bloodbending could do before that.

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR17bKDi_nc

      I'm just leaving here this video.

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    • Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Genso~No wrote:
      AirMasterParker wrote:
      Mrsunrider wrote:
      I don't know about raw power, but probably the most dangerous would be airbending. 

      It's the one element that is absolutely everywhere: waterbenders can be stuck in a desert, firebenders could be stifled by the cold, earthbenders could find themselves in the open water, but airbenders? Their element is ready to go in any location, at all times. And excluding spirits, it's the one thing absolutely no one can survive without. 

      An airbender wouldn't even have to have a killer instinct, just a minute's deprivation could incapacitate just about anyone. 

      I'm just going to second this.

      Also, if you think about it, a very high control of airbending could help control the air around any object, and move Earth, or Water. And Air can control the fire by removing the Oxigen.

      Other words, a great airbending masters could become, in a way, a "Master of the Four Elements".

      Also, if you think about it, if we look back at Unalaq, he could fight off any element easily, but what happened when he had to face Korra's airbending? He didn't know how to react, and was shoked down. This demonstrates that the world, as 170 AG, has got used to the absence of airbending, and people don't really know how to fight against it unless you have some knowledge of the art (Tenzin, Zaheer…) [also, In the first episode of Book Four we see a thief managed to avoid Kai's airbending, I'm discounting that since Kai's airbending probably needed some polishment, or the guy just had a bit of airbending knowledge].

      They wouldn't be mastering the element, since mastering would be being able to create it, an AIrbender couldn't create Fire or move Water the way a Waterbender can same with Earth
      Aang moved some rocks with an air funnel back in Book One: Water, when he had no knowledge of earthbending. Apply the same method to fire and water and you can technically control the other elements.

      "Master of the four Elements" is away of speaking, of course an airbender can't control the other elements like the Avatar can, but something is something.

      But did Aang control them the same way with as an Earthbender? No, that's why Air and Earth are seperate elements. And dispelling Fire is something Air,Earth and Water can all do.
      I'm not saying he did.

      But a master airbender, who could be better than Aang himself, could make bigger things.

      I never said an airbender would control the other elements like in waterbending or earthbending, but at least he/she could make something.

      An Earthebender can block the attacks of all the elements, They can block Earth,Air,Water and fire

      Explain how Unalaq managed to outmatch Bolin's rock, and how Aang straight up pulverized a rock liar in the finale, with AIR.

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