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[edit] Talk page

Is it me or there should be a talk page here? It's not possible that Zuko doesn't have a talk page... Was it lost during a move war? Omnibender 23:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe people don't quarrel over Zuko's info? Felinoel 02:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


When Zuko was a child was he hit by lightning? At the end of Bitter Work Zuko is shown yelling at a storm as if he was struck by lightning.

What he says:"You've always thrown everything you could at me,well i can take it,and now i can give it back!Come on! Strike me!You've never held back before."

No. What he was referring to was his bad luck in general. - Zero - Talk 05:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Isn't Aang Zuko's grandfather?

If Zuko's mother's father was the Avatar (Roku), wouldn't that make Aang Zuko's grandfather to some extent? Master Waterbender 08:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

He's considered a spiritual relative due to this connection. But they're not physically or genetically related. Puragus - Talk 15:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Plus, Ursa is Roku's granddaughter, not Zuko, he's Roku's great-grandson. Omnibender - Talk 00:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

yeah, they are right. while they are related, its only spiritually because hes roku's reincarnation. it's not like aang is roku's child. and its his great grandfather Army grl55 11:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
Aang and Zuko are related spiritually
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[edit] Height

Okay, this question isnt just about Zuko, but about all characters that hav a listed height. Where did people get the information on that character's height? Are people just estimating or was there an actual listed source? Newyorkme22 04:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably from Nick Magazine articles or those "Lost Scrolls" or some other obscure thing that people who just watch the show for fun won't even hear of Felinoel 05:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh. really? What are those "Lost Scrolls" that you are talking about?Newyorkme22 05:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

From what I have gathered there are five of them, the first four talk about each nation in detail, the fifth talks about the spirit world Felinoel 06:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh and I assume there is no way to read these lost scrolls right? Newyorkme22 06:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ummm if you buy them or find a not so legal copy online you could read them I guess Felinoel 06:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
ah that would make perfect sense! haha thanks! Newyorkme22 06:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

These aren't from the Lost Scrolls, I've read them online (though I don't remember where), and they talk just about bending and spirituality regarding bending. I left a message to the person with this Friday as a deadline, if I get no reply about the source, I'm removing the heights. Omnibender 15:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The only height that is canon would be Combustion Man. Scott 15:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Where are their sources?Fire Lord Phillip 15:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The anon adding to various characters or CM? CM's height was mentioned in an episode commentary on the DVD, we're waiting on the other, if no source is given, we're taking those heights down. Omnibender 16:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

What about Nick magazine or the Nick site, I think I remember little bio pages in the Nick magazine... Felinoel 17:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The only thing in the bio pages is their age. Omnibender 17:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I see Felinoel 18:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I remember seeing Toph's info-- including her height (5'1" without the bun, 5'3" with)-- on TV. They were doing a spotlight, or something, but that's all I know. Avatarded 14:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

hey um i think i should add that my uncle used to do some of the storyboard writing for the show and the heights that were on the charectar synopsis' were all correct Army grl55 04:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Your input is appreciated. However due to a recent incident, we are hesitant on the written word of being a scriptwriter or being related to one. Untill someone from the Creators of the show reveals the info on a comic con or an official interview, We must be cautious. Thanks anyways. - Zero - Talk 12:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Lord Zuko?

Shouldn't it say Fire Lord Zuko like, everywhere on the page?

Unsignedin and proud, --72.183.115.91 00:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No, cause during most of what is described in the page, he wasn't Fire Lord. Omnibender 00:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Plus his name is Zuko, "Fire Lord" is just a title Felinoel 01:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Zero - Talk 09:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
The Article won't be renamed as Fire Lord Zuko
Please do not edit this discussion.

[edit] Fire Lord

i never thought zuko would be the fire lord. i thought that aang was the fire lord. if i was azula i would be friends with zuko that way i would not have to be in a mental hospital.

Dude Aang is the Avatar he doesnt need to be the Fire Lord. The Maps of the Avatar world have this written on the Top and the Bottom respectively:

  • People are divided by Four.
  • The World is guided by One.

Or something close to that. The Four are the Four Nations. And the One is the Avatar. Its his job to ensure peace between the Nations. Not rule them. Zero 04:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Everything I was going to say has already been said. Omnibender 22:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
Aang was never going to be Fire Lord
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[edit] Zuko's path question

up to this day i still wonder about this and i need to ask, what exactly made zuko want to join the avatar and defeat the fire lord? I know that there was good and bad within him. was it after he learned about his family history, after the war meeting, after his father lied about fire nation being the best? exactly which part was it, was it like all of a sudden "snapped"? i know for mai betraying azula was he loves zuko more than fear azula, and ty lee finally facing her fear against azula. Fme008 22:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Zuko was more his Mother's Son than his Father's and she had raised him well. The revealing of his ancestory and the horrific plan of Ozai combined with the upbringing by Ursa and his honorable spirit to shock him into his senses. It was the combination of all these factors that pursuaded him to finally choose the right path and join the Avatar to defeat the Fire Lord. - Zero - Talk 06:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I see it as a combination of two things: Zuko realized that the war was horrific, wrong, and that the Fire Nation's justifications for it, which he had heard his entire life, were a pack of lies. He realized that if he continued to participate in what he knew to be wrong, he would have been lost.

Second, he realized that he would never have the kind of loving relationship from his father that he wanted, and that his dad would only ever appreciate him for what he could accomplish rather than for who he was. Before, he was idolizing a time in his life when his family was happy, and wanted desperately to regain that happiness. He equated pleasing his father with gaining his love and being happy. He eventually learned to let go of that, and severed his failed and abusive relationships with Ozai and Azula.

I realize that doesn't totally answer Fme's question, but it's my opinion as to why exactly Zuko betrayed Ozai. Puragus - Talk 07:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Zuko wanted his father to accept him after his shameful scarring, but as time went on he travelled with and without Iroh and gained knowledge of people and the world, the opposite of his father and sister who remained Fire Nation. After making the wrong choice in Ba Sing Se by betraying his uncle the wedge grew deeper in his heart. After the war meeting he probably decided that in fact he couldn't accept his father (not vice versa) while Iroh's revalation to him about Avatar Roku gave him two choices, to follow his father or oppose him. The choice of Combustion Man was a panicky mistake, but by that time Zuko knew that he could no longer follow his father and that Aang was in fact more likely to befriend him than kill him.

Azula was single minded and cruel while Zuko was always mindful and often faced with dilemmas. It proved that it was the latter and not the former who proved stronger. When Zuko removed doubt from his mind he became Azula's equal in decisiveness. PhantomS 07:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

In other words, It was'nt just one thing, but the combination of Zuko's Entire Life and the experiences he gained throughout it all that made him finally able to do what he did. - Zero - Talk 08:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Age

Since 1 year has passed since book 1, shouldnt Zuko be 17? Muscleman 23:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

This has been discussed befo0re, and the answer is no. There is no evidence that a year had passed since Book 1, Zuko and Aang just said "A year ago", when Aang specifically said he was still frozen in an iceberg. We don't know the birthdays of any of the characters, so we can't say anything for certain. Puragus - Talk 00:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New image

I put a new image up, because it's spaced upward and gives a basic full body example of Zuko. But, I just want to know if people are okay with it, or if anyone can put up the same image only better quality. --SuperFlash101 21:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I reverted it back, because it's in low quality and only part of a screenshot. If you want a new profile, put some suggestions here, and we can vote, like we did with all the others. Puragus Talk 21:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well didn't you read what I asked? If someone can get the same image only better quality, because it's a perfectly good full-body image. --SuperFlash101 21:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Except NO ONE VOTED ON IT. Besides, did you read what I said? That's only part of a screenshot. A higher quality one would be a full screenshot with Zuko being only part of the image.

Besides no one other than you suggested we need a new image. The only reason anyone agreed we needed new images was because we wanted to update everyone's profile to a book three one, but the one we have now is already from book three. Does anyone else think we need a new image? Puragus Talk 21:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright, so I'll just leave the gallery as it is below. If we decide that we need to change the image, then we'll start attacking the vote area. Energybender 21:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

SuperFlash, I should note that in my opinion the best profile images are not the ones that show all of the body, the ones that show only part of the head, or have inadequate clarity or lighting. Showing all of the body just doesn't work, because the head will almost certainly be too small. The ones that show only part of the head make instant recognition of a character more difficult. Do I really need to explain clarity and lighting? 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 05:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Book 3 image

Here, just wanted to get the gallery started. Energybender 21:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

No, see, we need to decide if we need a new profile FIRST. There's no vote yet. Puragus Talk 21:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

There's no reason to change the image, the reason we voted for other characters was to have a season 3 image, Zuko's image is season 3 already, alas, no change needed. Also, out of the images put forward, 4 is the one who gives a better face shot (which is what we want, not a full body shot), and has better quality. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I haven't decided yet but I'm leaning towards Image 4. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 04:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
It seems we are tied with only images 4 and 5. Zukofan123 08:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Even though 5 is a good image, I don't think it should go cause it gives away that Zuko will become Fire Lord, if anyone who is in the course of watching Avatar comes here, it'll be like someone who's in the middle of watching Naruto and finding a page with "Tobi is Madara" near the title. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Looks like you've made up my mind. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 15:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean, but my problem with Image 4 is it's the same one we have right now. It shouldn't even be on the list, we're voting on a new one. And Tobi's Madara!?" What the-! :) lol. --SuperFlash101 15:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem here is that there was no problem with Image 4 in the first place. It ticked all the boxes - it was in Season 3, it had his face, it was good quality and had good lighting. This is unlike the other profile pic votes we've been having. Those had earlier images. This one has a Season 3 image. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 15:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Most points were mentioned, and also, this is how Zuko looks for the majority of season three, and it doesn't give away the Fire Lord part. --Energybender 18:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

If you wanna keep image 4, then why not replace image 1 with image 5 on the Fire Lord Zuko section? Zukofan123 19:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

That's a good idea. Replace when the voting is over. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 23:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Then it's settled. Zukofan123 23:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Let's say that the vote will end at the end of tomorrow, January 2. There's no sense keeping it open any longer. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 23:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Its pretty obvious which one's gonna win. - Zero - Talk 08:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Duh, number one. So easy... Joey - Talk Contribs 08:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Umm. You mean Image 4, don't you? - Zero - Talk 09:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Joeyaa: <insertjokehere> Duh, number one. So easy... </insertjokehere> Joey - Talk Contribs 10:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I dont get it. - Zero - Talk 16:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Funny, that's what I say to my friends when they tell bad jokes, I do it all the time. :) I guess we're more in common than I thought. Joey - Talk Contribs 17:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

OK. Now can you explain the joke? Please? - Zero - Talk 17:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you are looking for wikipedia:Sarcasm? Joey - Talk Contribs 17:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh. So it was sarcasm. Next time Italic that part. - Zero - Talk 18:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Nah, next time I'll capitalize, bold, italics, color, and increase font on it... Joey - Talk Contribs 18:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Now THATS a joke. - Zero - Talk 19:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Would it be a joke if I said, "That's what she said" ? Joey - Talk Contribs 20:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

Image 1

Image 2

Image 3

Image 4

  1. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. Joey - Talk Contribs 05:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC) (It's a clear shot of him, so perfect in comparison.)
  3. - Zero - Talk 08:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. Waterkai 10:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  5. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 15:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. Energybender 18:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  7. User:lovingazula 19:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  8. Puragus Talk 19:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Image 5

  1. Lady Juse 05:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. SuperFlash101 05:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. Zukofan123 05:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
Image 4 shall remain as the profile pic.
Please do not edit this discussion.

[edit] Character Information

I couldn't help but notice that underneith the picture of Zuko, it states that he has black hair. Howver, in the picture and other pictres/episodes, his hair is clearly brown. Perhaps 'Dark Brown' would be suitable? (I'm also new to this site. Sorry if this is displayed wrong :P) Pevalwen 17:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Most images of him show him in some kind of lighting, and most of them make his hair look brown, you have no idea of how much debate there was over Aang's hair and eyes, and Ty Lee's eyes because of lighting. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you can do the same for the other main characters? Luvingazula - Talk 20:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Other skills

I got two pictures of Zuko wall running. One should be put in the other skill section. But which one? Luvingazula - Talk 15:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Zuko-wall-run.png

Image 1

Zuko-wall-running.png

Image 2

Image 1, he's more focused in this image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Image 1, same reason as Omnibender. - Avatar Junky -Talk 17:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll take it everyone will agree with you so Image 1 will be added. Luvingazula - Talk 21:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not a big fan of either of the images. They both have big burs. Look at them up close, you'll see the blurs. Vaznock - Talk 21:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I noticed them, thats why I asked first. Luvingazula - Talk 21:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The blurring shows the speed. Anyway, I'm going with Pic 1. - Zero - Talk 22:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Images size

Why must every in-line image be 250px? We had a long argument about how 40px for the icons was too big, but then you use this needlessly huge image size on articles that sandwiches the body text. I don't get it. ― Thailog 17:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I really don't know, when I first joined, I saw that there was no set image size, so I just saw which was more common and applied it in the other articles. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the images look fine for bigger screen resolutions, but the larger images look bad on 1024 by 768. I think they'd look better with all at 200px, but I can't be stuffed... The 888th Avatar (Talk) 22:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Other Skills Image

I'd like to replace that pic of Zuko running on the wall with a pic of Zuko doing something as the Blue Spirit. I feel that Zuko truly showcases all of his non-Firebending abilities while he's in that disguise more than at any other time, and that would be very appropriate for the section. Plus, that section is loaded with nothing but pics of Zuko in his season-3 outfit, and a pic of him as the BS would break up the monotony a little bit (I get a little tired of seeing him in that outfit in the section, when there's more diversity in the way he looks over the seasons). Plus, the Blue Spirit looks really, really cool. Puragus Talk 21:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll look for good pics and get back here later. Puragus Talk 23:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Special firebending move

I was just looking and I noticed that something about Zuko I noticed was left out. Did anyone else realize that he often does something other firebenders do not. He sorta lands on his back and spins his legs, either to create fire or just as a normal fighting move. I can remember 3 instances: Fight with Zhao, fight with the kyoshi warriors, final agni kai with Azula. I have never seen another character do this, and I don't know what it would be called, but perhaps it should be added. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spectic (talk • contribs)

Seems to be a personal choice as far as I can see, not sure it's notable enough. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Problem with Blue Spirit Episode

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss this, and if not, feel free to delete it. In the episode The Blue Spirit, Commander Zhao requested the use of the YuYan archers from Colonel Shinu. However, Zuko's article mistakenly identified Colonel Shinu as as Commander Zhao's commanding officer. This is highly unlikely, since not only are they in separate branches of the military (Commander is a Navy rank, Colonel is an Army rank) but they are actually of equivalent ranks. This was simply a case of one officer asking another officer a favor, and being refused.

[edit] Posible Inspiration

Zuko's history may be based on a condensed version of the The Lay of the Cid (Cantar del Mio Cid), about offending the king and the search for regain his honor.

I read it 1 week ago, and I don't think that because the Cid never lost his honor. He only was hated by the king. Dcasawang1 - Talk 21:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Is not that way, the King was convinced by other guys, enemies of the Cid, to eciliate him out of Castilla. The main plot is the search for restoring his honor.

[edit] Zuko's Alias

As Iroh has his title "The Dragon of the West", Zuko is the "Dancing Dragon", alongside Avatar Aang. I think this detail should be added.

  • Iroh's was an honorary title and widely used, Zuko and Aang weren't even called that, they only said it was the name of the form they learned. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:25, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Zuko and Katara

Under Trivia, it says "Zuko was originally intended to be Katara's love interest." That is not true. I don't have easily accessible evidence in my grasp at the moment (other than the commentaries on the DVDs) but I know that even if the creators didn't already have Katara paired with Aang, they have never intended Zuko/Katara. The play only brought in the Zutara angle because the creators were surprised and amused at the large fan base for Zutara (which they didn't expect) and they wanted to put this in one of the episodes, as a tidbit or a form of mockery, depending on whether you liked the Zutara portrayal in the play or were insulted by it. I've come across stuff on this before when Book 3 was still in production, but now I can't remember any sources. I hope someone knows what I'm talking about.--Secretss 12:54, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I think that information was put in Avatar Extras. Dcasawang1 - Talk 16:09, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Three out of the four statements there have an episode each to back them up. Except the Zuko and Katara statement. Pretty convenient, eh? What's to say a fan slipped it in there and people just take that article as truth? We can't cite a wiki article as source. And after looking at the other contributions from the unregistered person who added the Zuko line to Avatar Extras, I'm even more suspicious that the line is unmerited. --Secretss 17:29, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
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