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mistake

on the bending arts it says that there are five arts but on each of the pages earthbending firebending waterbending airbending energybending

it says there are only 4 User:Lovingazula 17:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

enyone else noticed this User:Lovingazula 18:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

i noticed this aswell 84.13.37.35 18:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Correct it then. The 888th Avatar - Talk 22:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I corrected it. I changed the opening paragraphs to say "Elemental Bending Arts", but I don't want the opening paragraphs to say "five Bending Arts" or anything like that, because I don't think Energybending is quite the same thing. It's different from the other four. Puragus Talk 22:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Energybending is the Original Bending Art. The other four came afterwards. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ice Weapons

Apart from freezing water to create shards, would it be posiible for a master waterbedner to create spears/swords of a steel hard ice? That could come in handy.Frosty Earth 18:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. Maybe. The 888th Avatar - Talk 22:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems like there would be problems with that, like the fact that they'd be freezing cold, slippery and they'd melt. It seems easier just to use Ice attacks as a waterbending move. Puragus Talk 22:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The same thing was suggested with firebending. Bending fire into the shape of swords. It is certainly possible. However these techniques will possess their difficulties, like the one stated above. But it has not yet been shown on the show so don't go adding it to the article. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I know this may not be categorised in the proper place but it at least comes close to the argument. I think that this entire page (the article for Waterbending) is extremely bias and has been overworked. There is such a thing as knowing when to stop and someone has failed at that miserably. I don't know who it is, but someone seems hell bent in prooving that waterbending is the superior element by introducing new, made-up moves that clearly do not make the idea of the four elements being balanced out to look very true. For example, categorizing water, snow, and ice manipulation under different sub-headings is just a pathetic way of making it seem like waterbending has more moves than it really does. Obviously, if it is possible to manipulate water into different shapes, then the same applies to all three states of water. Stop trying to improve upon something that does not need improvement. This page was fine the way it was and then someone decided that they would like to try and prove a stupid point. What annoys me in particular, is the ridiculous misconception surrounding the idea of waterbenders condensing water from the air. PLEASE do me a favor and scroll down to 'Condenstation' and read my notes at the bottom. Whoever is in charge of the waterbending article has gone to extreme lengths to ensure that whatever changes made to it by an individual other than themselves is just ignored and the page reverts back to, what now has become, its default setting. There a 6 or 7 sub-headings under 'Waterbending Moves' that could be easily narrowed down under 1-4 sub-headings. Stop thinning the ice and trying to invent new moves, it's just pathetic! A 'water knife' does not become 'water rings' whatever you called them just by a change in shape. The main idea is that the water is compressed to a sharp point - THAT IS ALL! There is no need to keep adding and adding. This also goes for the number of pictures on the page - get rid of them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.198.136 (wall)

We got another cleaner here. Man I hate these guys. Looking down on all the hard work others have put in as if it was nothing. That really burns me up. But I've sorta gotten used to it. How should we respond here? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 03:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

You guys have obviously put a lot of effort into this page and I apologize for coming off as a little abrupt before but seriously, the page was very well done before the extra stuff was added. There really was no need to add sub-headings and new moves that are actually part of or slightly branch off other moves. Knowing when to stop is important and what needs to happen is for the original page to resurface. We need to cut-down on excess images and paragraphs. Please people, we should stop focusing on just this page and start building on other ones known as "stubs" i.e the ones that have barely nothing in them at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.198.136 (wall)

It's a long standing policy on this wiki to compile all information pertaining to a subject no matter how minute (Curse wikipedia and it's cleanup policies!). Ahem, anyways, heres a tip. Sign your posts with 4 ~s. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

That's all well and good but that is not by greatest concern. What I'm getting at here is that there is, as you say Zero, TMIx10! One word (repeatedly): Bias, bias, bias. Waterbending is balanced out with the rest of the elements. Someone please change this page, it just screams "Waterbending is the best"! You cannot just keep adding to the advantages and minusing the disadvantages. Here's my sign off name - Balance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.198.136 (wall)

Okay, I think it's time I said something. While I personally believe that pages should not be too long in the interests of readability, I adamantly refuse to agree to deleting content to move towards that type of standard. I think that for all the pages over 60kb, something needs to be done i.e. the article needs to be split. However, deleting content to shorten pages is against my beliefs.
Your arguments about the page being biased are misinformed at best and ridiculous at worst. I cannot see any language on the page to suggest that Waterbending is indeed the best bending art. As the show has consistently displayed, skill is more important than the specific bending art. Having "more moves" does not equate to being better. It just means that the bending art just happens to be of that nature. Having biased language is, and this page does not have biased language. There isn't an NPOV problem. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 09:26, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with 888 on the deletion but not on the splitting. Anyways. Like the Wikipedians told me when I was over there to come here for more info so I say to you: Go to wikipedia if you want less information. It is never written that waterbending is the best element. And the article does not scream that. Balance? Hah. Don't make me laugh. This site is a balance for the absence of info on wikipedia. Go there if you must but don't trod on the hard work of others. Everything that is written here has been confirmed to be in the show. Take a look at the Fanon wiki and compare with it. Then maybe you'll understand. By the way TMIx10 was for your discussion and a way to lighten the mood, Copycat. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 17:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The reason Waterbending has more moves is because due to the manipulation of water in all its forms, Waterbending is bound to have more possible moves, Nick.com's description of waterbending itself says it's highly versatile, and that comes through in the number of moves. Another reason for there being many sections is because there is a lot of info on it, for example, both Waterbending and Firebending have an enhanced bending art section due to the external factors that influence it, Air and Earth don't have that section. Water has a section to the confirmed sub-skill, which would be healing. All but Airbending have that section. The only thing it has over the other pages is the overcoming weaknesses sub section and a section that was added to illustrate the differences between the bending styles of the three Water Tribes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Nicely said Omni. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 13:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Compression disagreement

So, there seems to be some contention in what exactly occurs when water is pressurized by Waterbenders to the point of slicing through objects. The overview of this article states that water is incompressible (which is not true, since you can compress water, it just takes an incredible amount of force to accomplish a little compression), yet in the Water Knife category, it says that water is compressed to be able to cut through objects. Is there a good way to find a common ground on this matter to make things more uniform? Personally, I would argue that it is pressurized rather than compressed. Pressurized water exists in nature, and is arguably forseeable in the capacities of a Waterbender. --AlexielSolarin 08:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. That's a basic fact. Solids can be compressed but with a great force. Liquids are also compressible but the force needed is lesser and gasses are the most compressable. Physics 101. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Yes... but that doesn't have anything to do with the question... what I was trying to get at was whether or not Waterbenders compress or pressurize water, and I'm thinking the idea is that they apply pressure to their water they bend in order to slice through metal, pressurize and refine the "edge" of their bendables. In that way, it's different from compressing the water, the Waterbenders are using their ki like a pressure washer uses air pressure to move water at high enough speeds to break through other materials. --AlexielSolarin 07:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Well compressing an object does make it harder. So I guess that should be correct. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 08:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

New move. Ice Swimming

A new move could be Ice swimming. This occurs in Hama's flashback with a man coming out of the icy ground. Could this be a new move?

I agree this is a new move. You can clearly see the waterbender emerge from the solid ice underneath him. Chaosorcerer 18:15, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it should be called Snow Tunneling since it's the Waterbender version of Earth Tunneling . --JFH2009 18:24, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Waterbending Techniques

On this page, a lot of waterbending techniques have been named by as we see it. We don't know their real names, and if they even have one. So, I think that we should do one of the following:

1.)Make a small notice template that says that these names may not be the official names as used by Nick, and are given by us or the Avatar Fan Community.
2.)Or Create a new page with all of these techniques with the same template above, on this new page. On this page, instead, there will be a small paragraph discussing it and a link to the new page.

Also, if some readers are in the middle of the page, then they see all of these techniques, when they don't even care. It causes unneeded obstruction. If readers want to view the techniques, all the have to do is click on a link provided, instead of it taking up so much space on the page. This could also apply to the other Bending Pages. --Avatar Talk 17:33, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Bloodbending During Full Moon

Although the bloodbending section right now explains that bloodbending can only be used on the full moon, I think it should be changed to say that it is ambiguous as to whether bloodbending can be used without a full moon. I understand that the full moon is shown in the episode on the night before, and that the full moon is supposed to last a week, but there is no indication that that full moon is not the last night of the full moon phase. Because on the specific night that Katara uses bloodbending the moon is never shown, I think that it is meant to be ambiguous. There were plenty of opportunities in that scene to show the full moon, and even scenes that included much of the night sky. None actually showed the moon, full or otherwise. Therefore, I think it is possible, even if its not probable, that Katara used bloodbending without the full moon. Irock818 19:36, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in the episode the characters do mention that there's a full moon that night, even if they didn't show it. Ddd44 19:38, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Edit: When Aang, Sokka and Toph talk to Old Man Ding, he says that there's a full moon rising, and that same night Katara fights Hama. Ddd44 19:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hama specifically says in the episode that Bloodbending can only be used during the full moon. Puragus Talk 20:17, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry for the confusion, I meant in the Southern Raiders. And although Hama specifically says that bloodbending can only be done on the full moon, Katara is a far more powerful waterbender than Hama. I'm questioning that she may be able to bloodbend without the help of the full moon. And the full moon is never shown on the night, or dusk that she uses it in the Southern Raiders. Irock818 22:31, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

        • While I believe that Katara can bloodbend without the full moon (a la "my kung fu is better than yours"), the moon was shown in 316, not in the same scene, but one or two days before the scene happens, in-universe chronologically speaking. Since moon phases don't change that fast, it's reasonable to say that the moon was full during that scene. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
        • I agree that its reasonable that it was full during the scene. I'm saying I don't think the page should specifically state that bloodbending can only be used during the full moon because there is a chance that Katara was bloodbending without the full moon. Rather than a flat denial, I think the section on bloodbending should mention the ambiguity. Irock818 05:54, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • In the puppetmaster episode they show the moon 2 nights before the full moon and it looks full but it is in the waxing gibbous phase; therefore, just because the moon appears to be full in the souther raiders episode does not mean it was actually full.
  • Since nobody's responded for a few days, I think I'm going to go ahead and revise that one sentence about bloodbending to make it more ambiguous. If anyone has any major problems they can change it back. Irock818 22:55, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Question

"This is a technique in which Waterbenders would use all four limbs to run on water at very high speeds, in addition to riding on foreign objects with the same purpose." What does this sentence mean by "foreign objects"? Aangman793 (talk) 20:56, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Waterbending with the lower body

In "The Earth King", Katara didn't really water bend with her lower body, it feels like she bended some ice infront of her with her hands first to jump into the air and made the giant water whip.

But, her legs barely moved while in the air, still relying on her hand for bending.

I do not see how she bended the water with her legs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.77.67.157 (talkcontribs). This note was added on 04:12, January 23, 2012 (UTC).

We're not saying she made the ice thing with her legs, but while in the air, the water goes the spinning the same way her legs do. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:33, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

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moon AND ocean?

In Siege of the North, Part I, didn't Yue say that their power comes from the moon and their life comes from the ocean? I'm not watching the episode right now but I think that's what she said. In the infobox, it says that both the moon and the ocean give people the power to waterbend. If the ocean spirit had been killed instead of the moon, would they have lost their waterbending ability? Would all the waterbenders or everybody in the Water Tribes die? dudewaldo4 (talkcontribs) 20:52, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

i am pretty sure the ocean would have dried up and thus the entirety of the fire nation invasion vorse would have had to walk back to the fire nation, or everyone on the planet would havev died, because there is no water. ralok (talkcontribs) 20:58, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

so should the ocean spirit be removed from the infobox, because it does not have a direct effect on their waterbending ability? dudewaldo4 (talkcontribs) 21:08, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Not really, we don't know what would happen, so we can't say nothing would happen. Of course, we can't say that something would happen, but out of the two, the least speculative would be to list them both. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:18, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Foggy Swamp style

is it possible that this style shares traits of earthbending with the whole stiff stance, i mean they do live in the earth kingdom maybe they picked up some attributes from the earthbenders because they live so close to them

Painted Lady

I was wondering if you would classify what Katara was doing in the painted lady episode as a move? When she was gliding across the water at a very high speed and also creating steam. Because in the avatar episode with the extra's, it did say master water benders are able to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BeyonceFan (talkcontribs). This note was added on 04:12, January 23, 2012 (UTC).

Already there. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:15, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
Ohh, lol. Really? Well i feel stupid. What is it called?

Water run. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:17, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Unalaq's waterbending technique

So, more than once now, I've seen Unalaq's technique being moved back and forth between this article and the healing one, and being described as a form of healing in other articles, changing negative energy into positive energy. I don't want to start a potential revert war, but I do want to know: where was his technique ever called similar to healing? Certainly not in the first two episodes. Is there any interview somewhere where this is revealed, like the stuff we know about Raiko? The only thing remotely related to healing his technique showed so far is the fact the water glows. Unalaq said that darkness takes over when there's an imbalance, so the only thing that can be said about his technique is that it restores the balance in the spirits. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:23, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

I wondered the same thing, and was directed to this panel. The technique is discussed around the 13 minute mark. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 15:43, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
Much like the Raiko info interview, people need to start adding those as references in the articles. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:06, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
I agree. I just got on my laptop and saw Corin's response, I just added the references to Unalaq and Healing Waterbending emblem Water Spout 16:08, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Inaccuracies

Perusing this page, I saw a number of inaccuracies, & figured that it would be too many major edits to be fixed at once, as reversion would be highly likely, so I'm going to list them here:

1. Waterboxing is not "frequently used in Pro-Bending." It's an illegal move. That's why it was called "dirty." Also, I question why it's considered "master level."

2. The Avatar State has not, to my knowledge, ever made a tsunami. A tsunami is a series of waves formed by seismic activity--so specifically not relating to the tides--& is usually very destructive. A really big tidal wave=/=a tsunami.

3. From whence comes the statement that Waterbenders can make things scalding hot? Just because they can make it a gas? I'm sure we're all aware that gaseous water isn't necessarily that hot. In fact, I question calling it "temperature manipulation" at all. The temperature of water does not actually change when its phase does.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 14:11, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

My probending rules are a bit rusty, what exactly in waterboxing is illegal? I only recall using non-liquid water and hosing faults. We can change tsunami to tidal wave, that's not huge deal. I have no idea where waterbenders make things hot. Temperature doesn't change during phase change, though some stuff waterbenders have performed, at least regarding ice, would preclude water temperature being changed, because otherwise ice wouldn't stay ice in many situations once they stop bending it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:31, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

"Tahno tries to clean the Avatar's clock with some dirty waterboxing!" He's saying that it's cheating. Which it is, because you can't use physical strikes unless it's a tiebreaker, & even then I think you're limited to grappling. I would just call the ice>water>steam technique "phase change," because even if they do change the temperature, it doesn't seem to be by enough to matter. At the very least, I would get rid of the "scalding hot" reference.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 23:39, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Armless Waterbending? Can we call it Psychic Waterbending instead?

We've seen Ming-Hua Waterbend plenty of times without moving an inch of her torso (or at all as seen in the finale). Plus Psychic Waterbending would be the natural progression and counterpart for Psychic Bloodbending. IWuvYouDA (wallcontribs) 04:01, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Since noone has responded. I went ahead and changed it. It just sounds better and make more sense. IWuvYouDA (wallcontribs) 09:24, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Plantbending an alternate style

Why isn't plantbending recognized as an alternate style like bloodbending and healing? Benders like Huu have clearly made it a specialized style to be used in battle. Even combustionbending, which has only shown two users, is recognized as an alternate style.—Steveo920 (Talk) 10:08, September 3, 2014

Swamp tribesmen definitely use water in a different manner than "conventional" waterbenders but how they bend the water remains the same. Manipulating plant life involves no complex understanding of waterbending or necessitates any deviation from its standard use and performance. If waterbenders were to lift a balloon filled with water, "balloonbending" wouldn't be considered an alternate style, because what they're doing is simply normal waterbending. Same goes for plantbending. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 02:38, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
i'm inclined to say we should list plantbending as a special technique, considering we list bloodbending as one, and plantbending is basically the same thing except with plants. a balloon isn't alive, so we wouldn't list that. also, they're not bending the balloon at all, even by proxy, which is exactly what plant and blood bending are doing. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:42, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
Except the complexity involved in bloodbending warrants enough of a distinction from normal bloodbending to classify it as a specialized form. The very fact that it was established that bloodbending is only normally possible during a full moon already asserts that it is not average waterbending. More than that, the mechanics of bloodbending itself is fundamentally different from the conventional fluid motion associated with waterbending, hence justifying it as a specialized form. A waterbender does not bend neither the plants nor the body when performing those skills, they are manipulating the fluids inside which affect the vessel. Just because a waterbender finds a new application for water does not mean that they have developed an alternative style or a new specialized bending technique. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 06:30, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
Per WS. No matter how many times we're going to have this discussion, it's not suddenly going to make plantbending a more complex technique. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:14, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Nor is plantbending a normal form of waterbending: they are using the water inside something to manipulate it. if that was normal, we'd see it more often. bloodbending doesn't really use any different martial arts movements than regular waterbending: in the puppetmaster episode, it was still tai chi. if we are to consider plantbending not to be a special technique, then we'd have to consider lavabending not to be one as well, since they're both just regular forms of bending. @lostris: the more times this comes up, the more i am convinced that it is so: people don't think so for simply no reason. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 04:43, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

We don't see it often because in most cases there are clearly better ways to use water. For a majority of the first series the bulk of exposure to waterbending was in the Northern Water Tribe, where plant life was scarce and bodies of water are limitless. It is not practical for waterbenders who live in the poles to use plantbending so it is not seen. Similarly, it is not practical for Katara to attempt to use water from plant life when she carries water skins with the sole purpose of providing her with liquid water, and logical that she does not do so given that her training focused specifically on using water as it is and not as a medium to control a vessel. Besides, as I've said, bloodbending is already at a different level to begin with; the fact that it is identified as the highest form of waterbending makes it clear that it is not average. The same goes for lavabending, as it is regarded as a rare ability despite the fact that it is essentially bending earth in a different phase. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 07:46, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
@Intelligence4: The more people that jump off a bridge doesn't suddenly make that a smart course of action. WS is very eloquently explaining to you why it is not a specialized bending technique. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:31, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the fact that Katara is suprised plantbending is even possible makes it a specialised technique. Watch The Swamp again. Also see how Katara tells Hama about it in The Puppenmaster. Bathbomber (wallcontribs) 11:56, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
basically what myself and several others have been saying all along... glad to hear Bathbomber is on the bandwagon. that's 3 to 2 in favor of adding it. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 16:05, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't make your bandwagon be right though. As said before, it's not because it's a "special" technique, that it's also a "specialized bending technique". There's a difference that the bandwagon should look up. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:13, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Wolf 91 (wallcontribs) 02:36, November 19, 2014 (UTC)When you think about it Plantbending may not be too esay cause I havent seen the LOK charecters do it to much.Wolf 91 (wallcontribs) 02:36, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
I already said before that no situation presented thus far has necessitated the use of plantbending. As a waterbender, why would you choose to bend plants when you have actual viable amounts of water readily available? That makes zero sense. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 05:09, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Ice bending

Souldn't ice bending be listed as a special technique? It's like lava bending- one changes phase of water the other phase of earth. Not everybody can use it so it is something that needs to be mastered (as far as I remember those who ice bended were higher caliber water benders), it's not something that is by default. Rizgubi (wallcontribs) 16:59, April 15, 2017 (UTC)Rizgubi

One of the first feats of bending shown in the series was Katara bending ice, bending ice is one of the most basic things in waterbending. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:09, April 15, 2017 (UTC)
You don't know that. Katara is extremely talented waterbender and it shouldn't be surpising if one who lives where there is abundance of ice can bend ice (see plantbending). Metalbending ends up being trivialso it is not a valid argument. 
Suggestion:
I would call the likes of ice bending, combustion bending, lavabending, plantbending, sandbending.... SUBSTYLES. That is more accurate than special techniques.  They are DERIVED, not necessarily a matter of mastery (as seen with bolin, toph and lava bending or with combustion bending) . If you put for example rock gloves and lavabending under the same denominator that is not good classification because one is style and other is technique (for example lava shuriken is special technique, but lava bending is special style).Rizgubi (wallcontribs) 17:20, April 15, 2017 (UTC)Rizgubi
Katara in the beginning of the series had zero training, and lacked even the basic skills to properly aim her attacks. Ice is no big deal, plain and simple. The wiki's current way of listing bending styles and techniques is just fine. Swamp benders could also bend ice, as shown during the invasion. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:28, April 15, 2017 (UTC)   
As I said classification has nothing to do with degree of difficulty (unless you classify sth by             order of difficulty). I am saying that this current way is wrong, messy and makes little to no             sense. All too much different things is just thrown into the same bag. Also as previously                   said style and technique are not two of the same. Won't bother with that anymore. Already               invested too much of my time to argue sth obvious and sth that could improve quality and               navigation through articles.Rizgubi (wallcontribs) 18:00, June 23, 2017 (UTC)
Current way is not wrong. Even when ATLA was still airing, and constant influx of new information meant that things had to be regorganized regularly, listing of bending was never an issue, and back then the community was much more active as far as organization goes. You're literally the only person I've ever seen in this wiki to have an issue with what to call use of ice, so I'd say the issue you instead of the article. Use of ice is prevalent through basic waterbending, and requires neither a special aptitude nor specific training. It's neither a subtyle, nor a special technique, it's a bread and butter facet of waterbending. That's the point I was making with Katara, though it seems I have to spell it out for you. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:43, June 23, 2017 (UTC)

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