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[edit] Uhmm Just wondering

I was just wondering, why are the avatar Characters so short? Even for the boys. I mean the only tall one is Fire Lord Ozai. Both Sokka and Zuko are of an age (16 and 17 by the end of the series) where they should be nearly fully grown. Make no mistake! I am not discriminating againist short people! I was just wondering. Newyorkme22 06:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, the show is based on Asian culture, so I think that played a part. Asian people tend to be a bit shorter. Another thing that may be an influence of that is the lack of blond people. Omnibender 16:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I only noticed Toph being short. I don't think everyone is so short.......

Omnibender, I think Newyorkme22 meant, "why are the main characters so short compared to other characters in the show." Not sure. They seem to want to emphasize that they're teens and not adults, so they've made them all relatively short. I probably grew about 5-6 inches between 15 and 20, so it's not that out of the question. (Kinowolf 01:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC))

[edit] Toph's height

How did you find out toph's height?

Some anonymous user has been adding them, I gave a deadline of one week to source then, he didn't and they are going to be taken down. Omnibender 16:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No source given, no height put. Omnibender 21:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok

There's a "Nick extra", giving trivia and detalils about Toph, including her unique fighting style, and her height. You have to pause it at one moment to see the height, but it came directly from the creators, because it was an interview. Doesn't that count?

Where? Omnibender 22:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reunion with parents

Didn't Nick's website say Toph reunited with her parents after the war? --68.114.127.171 16:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Omnibender 00:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I just hope she reunited with her parents after the war. Zukofan123 18:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Book 3 image

As most of you may know, we did recently change the main image for Aang and Sokka to images from book 3. So then I thought "why not for Toph?". If somebody would like to upload a gallery of new book 3 Toph images then we could have a vote and we could change it. And I would upload the gallery myself, but I don't have the most experience with images. I'm going to suggest the same thing for Katara and we'll see where we end up! Thank you! Alex^Talk 14:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Here we go:

Image 1	TophWAT.png Image 2	Image 3	TophITI.png Image 4
Toph0001.png Image 5	Toph0002.JPG Image 6	NotTophMelonLord.png Image 7	Toph307.png Image 8

I actually prefered her original one, but I suppose consistency is important. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 15:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That's it? Just one pic? Come on. A selection has to have at least three or four pics. Upload them or whatever. Without at least four pics this voting is pointless. - Zero - Talk 16:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There's three more. But that first one has my vote. I don't care what else we decide, that first one says it all about Toph. Puragus ^Talk 18:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

True. Absolutely, Positively True. But lets at least try to do better before we put it to an end. - Zero - Talk 20:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Just uploaded a new version. Yeah, the only thing is, if we use it a a profile pic, we'll have to find a new pic for Toph's Day of Black Sun section. But that's not a huge problem. Maybe a pic of Toph meeting the Boulder and the Hippo again, or something with her fighting in the plaza. (Not that anything's decided yet, just getting potential issues out of the way early). Puragus ^Talk 05:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Out of the first 4, either 1 or 2, she should appear with her EK outfit, and I'm not very fond for her expression in 4, she's rarely like that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, the truth is: Toph looks like this and wears this for all of Book 2 and the end of Book 3. So, really, none of these images work, especially 4 (looks cool, but is just a dream Aang had), when you think about it. SuperFlash101 18:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll upload the usual number of eight images; just give me a minute. Energybender 19:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

There it is, eight images. Energybender 20:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Except the point was to have season 3 images. 5 and 6 are from season 2. Puragus ^Talk 22:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd feel bad making you work again, so should I upload two more? I already know one good one, from The Firebending Masters. Puragus ^Talk 22:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, please do that. I am currently busy on another wiki. Energybender 22:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. Puragus ^Talk 23:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

We all know these images aren't ideal (there's no nice head shot of Toph that is lit well and has her normal outfit) but I'm surprised at Image 5. It doesn't give her personality, it doesn't even show her whole head, and it doesn't even have daytime lighting so that are shown her normal colours. So why? 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 22:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, Image 5 makes her look cute. Why not that one? Zukofan123 06:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It shows her face and she's got a little smile. It's not my choice, 1 is, but I can see why other people like it. Puragus ^Talk 10:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I think you need to recheck Image 1, because it's already used on the article. Why use it twice on the same page? Zukofan123 08:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

You can simply use another image for that section. That is unimportant. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 08:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

~~Let's say that this vote ends on Christmas. Everyone has one day to cast their votes if they haven't already. Energybender 18:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)~~

Well, maybe not. We have a tie as of right now. We need somebody to step up and break it (or vote for something else, but where's the fun in that?) Energybender 02:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Well the reason I'm not voting for Image 5 is because it seems to have too much shading, dont you think so too? - Zero - Talk 08:28, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it also has her in her usual clothing, with a close-up of her face, and a smile to show her good nature and happiness reflected by her personality. It just works, and stand out among the other candidates. Joey - Talk^Contribs 08:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Let's see if this is enough to sway someone to break and vote for pic 1:

Image 5 is too dark. Profile images should be light enough so that we see their daytime, natural colours.
Image 5 is too close-up. Profile images should have her whole head so that we get a better idea of what she looks like.
Image 5 does not reflect her tough-guy personality.

888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 11:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks FireLord! I didn't think what I said would affect in any way. Now we've resolved the tie break. I say this stays open for another 24 hours, just to be sure. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 11:55, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you outta your... Ahem. Pardon me. But still why cant we consider FireLord18's Vote as a sudden death. It would be simpler that way. If we keep waiting for more votes then this discussion will never get resolved. - Zero - Talk 12:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Very well. Let's consider FireLord's vote as a sudden death. This discussion is closed. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 13:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

My only question about this was why we had the original image as one of the choices if changing it is what we were doing here. The only thing that came from this vote was the realization that Image 1 really is the best Toph image in our collection. In other words, this vote had no other purpose other than to get voted on because all of the others were; it was quite a waste of time. Energybender 14:40, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thats all irrelevent now. The important thing is that the vote is over and we have a winner. - Zero - Talk 16:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

Image 1

Puragus ^Talk 02:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 04:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Energybender 17:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
- Zero - Talk 16:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
FireLord18 11:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Image 2

Image 3

Image 4

Image 5

Alex^Talk 23:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
~~FireLord18 22:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)~~
SuperFlash101 22:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Zukofan123 23:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Joey - Talk^Contribs 02:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Image 6

Image 7

Image 8

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion is:
The voting procedure is over. Image 1 is Toph Bei Fong's profile image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

[edit] Image

I know this was just resolved, but this image is really just horrible to me. It's her in a costume she wore for only 2 episodes, and no one agreeded in the other one. Someones going to say this has already been resolved and just get over it, but the previous one was perfect. I just think that when an image is good enough, why change it with another, non-relevant one. --SuperFlash101 20:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I kinda agree you, mostly because the image was used twice in the same article, but you are right. Zukofan123 20:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Zukofan. And I didn't even realize that to was used twice, should never, ever happen. I just have a feeling someone will come and say "Uh-uh. No, no, no, this has already been decided. Sorry, just gotta get over it," or something. --SuperFlash101 20:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Well are there any second thoughts about the image? Zukofan123 20:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you guys take delight in trampling over the rules? - Zero - Talk 21:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, here we go again! we are not trampling over the rules we are just discussing about the image. Zukofan123 21:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Well we wouldn't be in this situation if someone would give it a rest already. However, we were planning on replacing the Invasion pic as soon as we could find a substitute. Thanks for bringing our attention to that detail. Good Point though. - Zero - Talk 21:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I replaced the image in the section. If you don't like that image, you can replace it yourself. The profile image is the one that the majority of users voted on, so it doesn't matter if you don't like it, you have to put up with it. Puragus ^Talk 22:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

But don't you see how tacky it is to have the same image twice on a page. It's not just that we don't like it, it really does not make the page look better, more like worse. And I knew someone was going to say that, and there we go! --SuperFlash101 22:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Did you not read the part where I said that I changed the image in the section? It's not used twice any more. Puragus ^Talk 22:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Then why is it still there? I see the image and it hasn't been changed. Zukofan123 03:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

What Puragus meant is that the image for the DOBS section is now changed. It is suicide for anyone to change the profile picture, because it was voted on and agreed upon. I will personally start berating any user who changes it on their talk page. The Toph profile image is final and will not change. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 03:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

~~::Well if that is how it works then I personally will not argue about this again unless there is another discussion about this. Zukofan123 03:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)~~

Forget what I said, I just looked up the DOBS section and thank you (Puragus) for changing the image on that section. Zukofan123 03:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Very good. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 03:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Finally. - Zero - Talk 08:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I actually like the image. It makes Toph look tough and assertive, like she is. I don't think it really needs to be changed. Vaznock 18:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image change

Toph ship.jpg

Toph attacks.png

I would like to replace the first image for the second one. It's the same scene, just a different pic. ― T hailog 22:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

There might be a few objections to this one. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 22:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I imagine so, but in the second one you can see more of Toph and what she's doing, while in the first one you see dust, a rock and half of Toph... ― T hailog 22:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

All you can see in the second one is her stance. Not her bending. Better to let the first one stay even if there is dust in it. - Zero - Talk 10:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Either work for me, though the second image appears to be of higher quality. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. That is true. - Zero - Talk 16:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I can upload the first one with higher quality. I just didn't want to do it before you decide between the two. If the majority wants to keep the first one, I'll upload it. ― T hailog 20:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Why not upload the HQ version anyways? - Zero - Talk 07:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Because capturing a DVD picture, resizing it and optimizing it is a bit of a hassle for a picture that may or may not be used. I did that for the second one because I couldn't find other versions of it on the site. ― T hailog 08:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I prefer the first one. It actually shows the bending being done. Much more informative. - Zero - Talk 14:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

You're right about that. I uploaded the HQ version of the first. ― T hailog 21:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. - Zero - Talk 03:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Toph's Hair

Hey everyone, let's talk about Toph's hair. Do you Toph's hair is kind of unique. I mean, she sure has a dense hair. She always tying it till it look rounded back. I taught, people who not seen her from the episode "The Blind Bandit" will not know it and thinks those rounded things a hat. Later in the episode "Tales of Ba Sing Se"), when she shows her mess spiky morning hair, I realize how dense her hair. --Indra i 02:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Toph's character design section

I added to the Toph character design that Toph's original design was a big muscular man, "as foil to Sokka's nerdiness". This was removed, stating that Toph is not that and Sokka only yells at her. What they said was correct, but I wasn't talking about Toph, I was talking about Toph's original design, and what I said was in the right section. Someone else agreed to its removal by saying that they don't remember reading anywhere what I had added. It is a verbatim quote from Brian in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOJO_Lu-B7w

Please stop deleting it. Tikalal 11:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh the original design, didn't catch that. You should put a source when you add a piece of info that is unusual or unknown to most. Feel free to readd. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, I'll add a source now. The reason I didn't is because I didn't know how. Still don't, but I'll probably have found out and added it before anyone reads this. Tikalal 07:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Source added. Tikalal 08:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Factually Incorrect Statement

Under "Earthbending," it says that Toph is the only character in the show to use a bending style different from the root. I'm pretty sure this is false. The Sandbenders are Earthbenders that use a style similar to Waterbending's Tai Chi instead of the usual Hun Gar. The Sun Warriors have a distinct style from Fire Nation Firebenders. Even the Foggy Swamp Tribe has a... distinct variation on the Polar Waterbender's Tai Chi.

Wan Shi Tong even states that there are some differences between North and South waterbending as well. --MadCat221 13:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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