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Where has it been announced that it'll air on the 18th? Omnibender 17:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
It was announced at the Wikipedia at some point as well, so it just might be official. No idea where it said so, though.
- They're always putting an air date at Wikipedia, usually speculative ones. As it stands now, no reliable source (like ASN or DongBu-Feng) has given a definite air date, so TBR still has no air date. Omnibender 18:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
True dat. Still... I'm willing to bet that it'll air on the 18th.
I stand corrected.
However, now Wikipedia says it'll air on the 25th. Should we trust it now?
What's their source? Omnibender 15:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, the 25th is the last possible day if they want to air 1 and 2 by the 6th. Mensilater 00:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Unless they make it a double and air both at the same day.
One of the clips I saw said that Avatar concludes in July 2008
Go to http://www.mundoavatar.com.br/ to see a real clip from the boiling rock. It contains Suki and Sokka. Also you can see a Trailer for the rest of the season. --ghostintc
So, since both this and Part 2 have now been leaked, and many of us have seen them compeletely, shouldn't we start adding stuff about them? Not only the plot synopsis here, but also the new turns and twists in the character pages, and make a new page for that one prison guy.
I think it's best to wait. Omnibender 15:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- It is completely against the law to link to leaked episodes. They were uploaded illegally and information from them cannot be used as a result. Doesn't matter what happened with DOBS, but information about this and the next episode cannot be in any of the articles. It's simply illegal. So I would really hope my edits which were done out of respect for the law and show staff aren't taken as vandalism, because they aren't. Hope I made my point. 126.96.36.199 02:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe the upload of the episode was illegal, but writing an episode summary probably isn't. If you have a problem with the illegal upload, than take it up the sites that did it. Or, if you want, take off the links to those sites. But don't erase the whole synopsis that people worked hard to write. There's a big difference between hacking into an early-released DVD and copying content from that disc onto a computer and writing a synopsis of that content.Puragus 03:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- You could be completely making the synopsis up for all people know. If the information is completely impossible to verify, which it is legally until the 6th, then it can't be posted. If people will illegally watch episodes, then how can they be trusted? I will use a comparison to make my point: When the 6th Harry Potter book was leaked, a judge formally banned the information from distribution. You shouldn't write down illegally obtained information. It is also disrespectful to the creators to spoil their hard work because some thief (not blaming you guys) copied and distributed their material. The info is meant to be a secret until the 6th. Simple as that. But thanks for the advice. I will consider taking it up with the sites responsible. And I will either be ignored, slandered, or banned from further communications. 188.8.131.52 04:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- All I'm saying is, for better or for worse, the information was leaked early and it's not the fault of anyone here (unless they are the one's who leaked it). The fact is, the information is already out there for the Avatar fan community, and whether or not we decide to write it down is not going to change that. I don't think there's any real harm in adding the information to this wiki, because the harm was already done when the episode was leaked in the first place. We don't have to endorse what they did, but as long as the information is out there then not writing it down here doesn't really serve any purpose. I don't think we should link to sites that show these episodes for free. As for the credibility of this wiki, anyone with an internet connection can do a google search and verify our information for themselves. And as far as the illegality issue: in the first place, I doubt anyone is going to prosecute Wikia; they'd be more likely to come after the guys that did this in the first place. Secondly, if Nickelodeon were to try to get this wiki to stop, they'd likely get a cease-and-desist order, and the information would be taken down until the DVD legally came out. However, I think it's very unlikely that they will do that since it's only eight days until the DVD comes out anyway.
- Just to summarize my point: I don't think we should link to illegal episode downloads, but I also think we should not delete the synopses or any other information regarding these episodes, because the information is already in the fandom anyway. That's just my opinion, and you are free to make of it what you will.Puragus 06:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Just to note, the synopsis information wasn't necessarily obtained illegally. Certain on-line retailers will ship DVDs as soon as they get them in stock, which can be a couple of weeks before the official street date. That's how whoever "leaked" the episodes probably got it. And while shipping early is technically a violation of contract, there's nothing illegal about that—it's a tort, which means it would be entirely between the retailer and the studio. The studio might sue the retailer for breach of contract, or decide to stop shipping its titles to the retailer entirely—but there's nothing "illegal" about a consumer taking advantage of the retailer's malfeasance and getting their DVD early. What is illegal is ripping the DVD and uploading it or downloading it—but given that it is entirely possible for someone to write a synopsis based on a legally-obtained DVD, there's no way of knowing whether or not the synopsis writer illegally obtained the episode or not. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not meant to be considered legal advice, etc.)
- Now, if you want to object to the synopsis on the basis of possibly spoiling unwary readers, that's another thing. But on the other hand, this wiki is so full of spoilers already that another won't particularly matter—and people who want to stay unspoiled should already know better than to go looking for information on the thing about which they wish to remain spoiler-free.
- You might as well just let the synopsis stay. It's only going to be a few days until the DVD is fully available anyway. —Robotech Master 14:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Everything I've heard says that the person who rented it early is the one responsible for the leak. But I just feel it's a bit unfair that spoilers not legally obtained be awaiting unwary law abiding citizens. If the episodes had been legitimately released, then it would be the readers' fault, but in this case, not so. But I'll keep my argument somewhere else and leave you guys in peace. I will, however, remove any illegal links I find. I also hope Blockbuster does get sued, but they're doing bad anyway because of Netflix, so it doesn't matter much at this point. 184.108.40.206 16:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Anyone who needs a link to find the stuff needs to have their Internet license revoked for being too stupid to use it. —Robotech Master 17:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Chit Sang not Seng
The credits clarify the name is spelt with an a instead of an e.