Talk:Sokka

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Contents 1 Order of the White Lotus? 2 Does anyone? 3 Royalty 4 Long character pages 5 Sokka's Main Picture 5.1 Voting on Pic 5.1.1 Votes

[edit] Order of the White Lotus?

Is Sokka supposed to be an initiate now that Piandao gave him a tile to carry around?

That's what I was thinking too. It's also worth noting that the bottom of his sword hilt has a OWL symbol embossed on it. Mensilater 20:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I noticed it, but I wouldn't say for sure that he's a member or an initiate, the safer bet would be say he's an ally. 201.17.74.167 15:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that for member, initiate, or even ally to apply, Sokka would have to know they actually exist. Giving someone a lotus tile and even putting the symbol on his sword doesn't mean a whole lot if you don't tell him they exist. But maybe something will be done with this later—perhaps if they meet Uncle Iroh again. —Robotech Master 18:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Sokka's pretty much quaranteed to join the Order sooner or later, in my opinion - if not during the series, then after it at some point.

Maybe in "The Southern Raiders" there will be a scene where Sokka will show the lotus title to Zuko. And they'll fins Iroh? Dar avatar 06:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea I figured he would need to know about it, but maybe he doesn't need to to be an all or initiate, or maybe he was told of it before being given the tile... Felinoel 20:55, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Does anyone?

hahahhaaha!

lol i just finished watching "Avatar Day". Does anyone think that part when aang's in jail and Sokka's like "Use your... Air Swipe!" thing funny?

lolololol.

vera. "Take that you.. rock!" 14:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Later on, Sokka is seen saying "Go Aang!! Airbending Slice!!" Sokka 索卡 Rope card

[edit] Royalty

• If Sokka is Hakoda's son, then that would make him prince Sokka. It is unknown why he is not royalty.

I removed this because chief is not really a title of royalty Felinoel 22:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

but its still trivia Vik0z0z 23:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Something that is not true is not trivia, why would they be royalty when "chief" is not a title of royalty?! Which is what I said already Felinoel 23:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The Chiefs of the Northern Tribe may be chosen from a bloodline while the Chiefs of the Southern Tribe may be democratically elected. Perhaps that is the reason behind the missing titles. Zero 02:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly Felinoel 23:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

This Discussion is Closed. The Result of this Discussion is:
Sokka and Katara are not Royalty

[edit] Long character pages

I was just on Heroes wiki and I noticed that on characters like Peter and Hiro who are in just about every episode have short pages. The reason is that they have separate pages for each season. I was woundering what you guys thought about us doing this here? Only on main characters thought. This would make finding information on characters much easier since you could just search "Sokka in Book Three" instead of scrolling through his whole page. Scott ^{(Lets Chat)} 00:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely an idea, all we have to do is create an archive like page "Sokka/Book 3", put the character template (we can even put images of how each character looked like during the book), and list the episode by episode summary, while leaving a briefing about major things that happened in the book in the main article. There's a lot of stuff that we could copy from other wikis and wikias. Omnibender 01:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I like it, especially with the pictures of how they looked each season, there were some brawls about changing pictures a while back that usually ended up with pics from the first season felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you guys really think that's a good idea. Many people worked hard on these pages. Should we really do this? Zero - Talk 08:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Peoples' hard work wouldn't be deleted, they would just be moved to seperate pages based on season, that way that work of those people will even get more of a chance to be read, I know I won't read those long articles, I am sure others also do so felinoel ~ (Talk) 14:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that. I doubt if people would like jumping from page to page. There is an old saying "If its not broken dont fix it." All I ask is that you guys think about this. Is this really necessary? Should we copy the other wikia? Or should we carve our own path? Think about it. Zero - Talk 15:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure changing this is a good idea either. I think Zero's right, people would not like going to different pages just to get the information they want. There's already a menu on all of the character pages, so people can already easily navigate their way down to whatever information they want. Plus, there are long character pages on plenty of other wikis, and they seem to work fine.Puragus 16:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Puragus. Thanks Man. Maybe the Heros wikia just doesnt have people passionate enough about writing there and we do. Think about it. Zero - Talk 17:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm ok with things as they are, but I don't think that changing things to the season format would be such a bad idea, I just went to the character pages at heroeswiki, and what they did isn't really bad, I know of other wikias that have pages way longer than what we have *coughharrycoughpottercough* and they are great wikis, I get how heroeswiki did it, and it's not that difficult to make, but if people don't want to do it I'm fine with it. Omnibender 21:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

"If its not broken don't fix it"? It seems pretty broken to me, who in their right minds would sit down and read all of these huge articles? As I said earlier, not I. But really either way is fine with me felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Its not broken. Everyone doesnt think like you felinoel. And if its fine as it is by you, then you should'nt be so vindictive. Also Puragus was right about the Content Menu. It can be easily use to navigate to the right section. Zero - Talk 11:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh? So everyone instead likes reading multiple articles with dozens of pages of writing? felinoel ~ (Talk) 17:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Depends on the kind of people were talking about. Not everyone is like you. And for those who are like you the table of contents is there. We dont have to emulate the other wikia. This is the Avatar Wiki. We've always done things our own way. In fact. I believe that after the foolish people at wikipedia deleted all the episode synopsis present there. Everyone started coming here because here people were not so picky about what's written (I know I did). In fact, if you look closely, you'll see the earlier episode articles dont have as much pictures and content in them as the later episode articles. Come on. Let it stay. Zero - Talk 06:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Look, I really don't care either way, they both work well, I was just giving input as to why this side that doesn't have much of a voice could work better, so go either way felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't have much of a voice because all such people mostly stay on Wikipedia. You have no idea what I went through when they deleted all the synopsis. I didn't have all the episodes then and had to tide myself with the Synopsises. They're all a bunch of party poopers over there. But your input is appreciated. Thanks. However... We should not do things like others. We have our own path to follow. - Zero - Talk 05:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

What makes you assume I have no idea how that is like? Besides this is nothing like that as I keep on saying, this is merely breaking these annoyingly long articles into more managable articles, no info would be lost from it felinoel ~ (Talk) 08:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

And most people dont wanna do that. Remember the proverb I used. - Zero - Talk 08:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Remember what I said in response to it felinoel ~ (Talk) 08:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah sarcasm against a good proverb. Not a good matchup. Proverb wins. - Zero - Talk 10:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Why is it that you think everything I say is sarcasm? This case isn't even close to sarcasm felinoel ~ (Talk) 19:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sokka's Main Picture

It seems there is a bit of a dispute over the main picture of Sokka's article, these two are the ones being presented

I say we should vote on it, I have said that picture number 1 is more epic and shows Sokka's character better, in that fighting physically is what he is best at, and Puragus has said that picture 2 "more clearly shows Sokka's face and is from book 3" and that it "is definitely more representative of the character's nature" and finally that "Sokka's not usually the warrior like the others are, so people are more likely do identify Sokka with this pic. Some people might not know they're looking at him with the other one" I will start this off with responding to Pur's last statement, and say that no, Sokka is definitely a warrior, its pretty clear that he is, there was a whole episode about him becoming a better one, and what better picture then in the Southern Water Tribe warrior armor I ask. felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh and my vote is for picture one, if that wasn't obvious from my above statement. felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, let me start off by saying that my vote is for picture 2 (obviously). Now, I want to explain my argument fore fully than in my edit summaries. I'll start off by responding to fel's last response:

While Sokka does possess fighting skill, and is a capable warrior, it has been shown time and time again, from episode to episode, that those are not his greatest strengths. Where Sokka's talents truly lie are in his intelligence and creativity. He's the "idea guy", not the exceptional fighter. (And let's face it, the Gaang doesn't need Sokka to be the best warrior in the world when they have so many powerful benders and fighters like Zuko and Suki.) Sokka is the one who invents solutions to the group's problems: he came up with the method of taking the drill down the drill from the inside; he realized that Firebenders lose their powers during an eclipse in the Library, and that led to DoBS; he and the Mechanist planned the defense for the Northern Air Temple. Sokka's a warrior, yes, but more than that, he's a thinker and a leader. The episode you mentioned, (I'm assuming its Sokka's Master), I would argue is not really about Sokka learning to be a better warrior per se, but it was about him learning to use his intelligence more effectively. The fact that he made an unusual sword out of unorthodox metal was symbolic of those strengths. That's Sokka's character: not an amazing awesome fighter, but an intelligent, creative leader, as well as a wacky comic relief character. In my opinion, the second pic better shows those traits than the first one.

Secondly, you ask what better picture there could be for Sokka than a picture of him in Water tribe armor. The answer is a picture that clearly identifies the character to the viewer. Which picture looks more like Sokka? Picture one doesn't have a close-up of his face, it doesn't show his hair, and the face is partly in shadow. Picture 2 clearly shows his face, and it's much more identifiable for the character.

Look at it from the perspective of someone who's a moderate Avatar fan, maybe hasn't seen every single episode, and stumbles across this wiki. Picture one will appear unusual to them, and they might not think its Sokka until they see the name, and it'll feel weird to them even after that. When most people look at picture 2, with the hair, the close-up of the face and expression, the regular water-tribe outfit that he wears through most of the series (minus the sleeves, but that's a minor detail), they will instantly know: "That's Sokka."

That's why picture 2 is a better picture for the article. Puragus - Talk 02:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and pic 2 is a much higher quality pic. Puragus - Talk 02:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

He uses his intelligence and creativity to become an exceptional fighter, its not his fault he joined a party that doesn't need a warrior, nor does that mean he isn't a good one. Yes, you are right, that episode is showing that Sokka is learning to use his intelligence more effectively, but at fighting. The second pic does not show his intelligence and creativity, it shows Sokka being the "cool guy" who flirts with every girl he comes across except his sister, the masculine one, and that really young one with the funny hair. Sokka is very patriotic, I forget which episode but once he backs out of an area shouting "Water Tribe" to the people just taken out by Katara, I think the armor of his homeland shows Sokka's identity. How many times has Sokka rushed in to fight screaming like that in picture 1? I could identify it was him just from that expression.

But one with Sokka being suave and charismatic shows him well? I don't see it.

I see nothing wrong with the quality of picture 1, if you want I can go get a screenshot of the DVD though...

Although, this shouldn't be a yell at each other post, this should just be votes, so 3, 5, 7, or some other number of total votes before a picture gets decided? felinoel ~ (Talk) 03:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I think 5-7 votes is a good number. Should it only be from registered users or admins, though?

Pretty good response to my first argument, although I don't think you defeated it completely, but you didn't respond to my second argument, which is the more important one in my opinion. Pic 2 shows his face better, and is thus more identifiable to people. This is really important, because the pictures are only there so that people can identify the characters. If someone hasn't seen DOBS, that could be any screaming kid in wolf armor, until they see the name "Sokka". I just don't want people to look at the profile pic and wonder, "Who's that?"

But, I've said my piece, and I'll shut up and let other people voice their opinions. Puragus - Talk 03:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

No I talked about how he uses that expression more then enough thats he is recognizable from that, and 6 votes it is, registered members and admins only felinoel ~ (Talk) 04:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

For the reasons Puragus already clarified, I vote in picture 2. Omnibender - Talk 19:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Picture 2 is better quality. I vote 2. Energybender 02:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I vote for 2, again for the above reasons. Could one be found where his face is clearly visible, but where he isn't eating? I'd prefer a simpler picture. Picture 2 will do just fine, though. Howabout1-(Talk) 03:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I have already said if image resolution is the problem I can get the same pic off of the dvd, also I too would prefer a picture of him not eating... felinoel ~ (Talk) 05:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I see that point. What if we found some more close-up pics of Sokka, then picked one from a number of options? Granted, It would make the votes we have so far wasted, but we'd have a better chance of finding a solution everyone is happy with. Puragus - Talk 06:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Lets go with that then felinoel ~ (Talk) 06:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I kind of like these for a start:

I can find more later, and any anyone else can find would be great too. Puragus - Talk 06:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I like number 4 best so far felinoel ~ (Talk) 06:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Puragus, I like Number 2, It represents Sokka's attitude prefectly. he more of a joke oriented kinda guy. The creators of the show had originally wanted Sokka as a more low key character, but the voice actor who played Sokka's voice was just so... unrepressible, that the creators decided to make Sokka a more important part of the show. The Voice Actor's ambition is to be just like Jim Carrey the comedic actor. Sokka's personality was thus adapted to his voice actors ambition. But you get to make the final decision. I'm just giving my opinion here. - Zero - Talk 15:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually Zero, this is a democratic process. Everyone here is voting on which of the four pics they prefer. Your opinion counts as much as anyone else. Puragus - Talk 16:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I like #3. Lord Momo 17:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

How is this one? Sokka looks more like his classic Water Tribe self here. It is a screenshot from iroh.org in the episode, "The Library". By the way, my top three votes on the current pictures are:

1. Picture #5

2. Picture #3

3. Picture #2

Energybender 18:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's one from the finale. I like that pic Energybender put up (pic 5). Number 5 or number 4 would be a good profile. Puragus - Talk 18:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I like 4, it has the "I'm the smart one" feel Sokka has, I didn't like 6 much, it's like Mai's expression on his face, not a good combo. Omnibender - Talk 22:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I actually sort of don't like the one I posted earlier because his body is turned. How about this one though. I put it in the page temporarily. Energybender 23:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I prefer 5, though 7 would work. Howabout1-(Talk) 23:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Howabout in that 5 is good, it shows Sokka as he usually is, I don't care for 7 because he really only wears that once and isn't that the same problem with the original picture? felinoel ~ (Talk) 02:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know what the blueness or purplesness on the back of Sokka's head is in picture 5? Energybender 02:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats his hair, it was originally shaved off there and throughout the series he allows it to grow out felinoel ~ (Talk) 04:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Personally, Puragus, I like all of them just fine but I prefer number 2, though I'm not too sure that we should be considering pic 4 where Sokka is in his thinking pose, as he is hiding part of his chin behind it. We need a clear picture in my opinion. A Picture where his full facial features are shown. - Zero - Talk 09:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

My opinion on all the pictures, all of them are good quality:

1: He looks awesome, but that's not how Sokka is most of the time.
2: Shows his face well, and has sarcasm written all over it, very Sokka-ish.
3: I don't like it, it looks like his a kid who just heard that Christmas was anticipated.
4: Now that the chin was mentioned, I don't think that's such a good image.
5: The fact it's from season 2 and not 3 is not the biggest issue for me, it's that "I'm about to sneeze/I'm high" look.
6: Too serious, I was wrong before, that's not Mai's expression, that's Book 1 Zuko expression.
7: Same as 1.
Omnibender - Talk 17:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

If you guys are looking for a picture of Sokka for the profile, check out these: http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep59/ep59-13.html there are a few that show just Sokka, and other than that, I would vote for 2, thanks. Joey - Talk 19:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's an example of a picture Joey was talking about. From "Sozin's Comet, Part 2: The Old Masters", Sokka is coming up with the name "Grampakku". I dub this picture #8. I believe we have plenty of pictures to choose from now. Energybender 19:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Voting on Pic

So these are the possible pics up till now:

Sokka picture number 1	Sokka picture number 2	Sokka picture number 3	Sokka picture number 4
Sokka picture number 5	Sokka picture number 6	Sokka picture number 7	Sokka picture number 8

I thought grouping them together would be better than traversing the whole section over and over. - Zero - Talk 04:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay how about this we alternate betwwen all the pictures so that a different picture is used every week? Lord Momo 05:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Not a good idea. One permanent picture must be decided on. Trust me, it will save a lot of trouble. Energybender 05:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

It has one major flaw. Who would go through all the trouble of alternating between the pics? I doubt if anyone would want to do it, considering it's a repititive process and humans have problems with that (Computer Class Grade 4 & 5, Difference Between Humans and Computers). - Zero - Talk 05:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I can do it I'll update the pic every sunday. Lord Momo 05:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

For the rest of your life? - Zero - Talk 09:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

No, we aren't changing the picture every week. Lets all vote for one, and keep that. I vote for 5. Howabout1-(Talk) 13:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I cast my vote for 8. But I'll make it clear, in case nobody else likes 8, that I also like 5 and 4. Puragus - Talk 15:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

2 is still my favorite one, but 8 would be my second option. Omnibender - Talk 21:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I still vote for 5 felinoel ~ (Talk) 23:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

my favorite is still 3. I don't like 2 sokka's face looks weird in 2. Lord Momo 23:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

He is just being suave in 2 felinoel ~ (Talk) 17:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he's being mocking. I got 2 from TFM, when he's making fun of Zuko and Aang for "Jerkbending". Puragus - Talk 18:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

That's why I like it, it shows Sokka's sarcasm. Omnibender - Talk 23:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm for 2 too. - Zero - Talk 18:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

So, have we reached an agreement? looks like most people like 2, 5, and 8. Puragus - Talk 03:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You guys still haven't reached a decision yet? felinoel ~ (Talk) 18:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, can we please finish this? Puragus - Talk 22:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I vote for picture 5. Energybender 22:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm still for 2. Also I thought thios traversing was taking too long so I made a subheading. This will enable voters to skip the majority of the section and come straight here through the table of contents. - Zero - Talk 05:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, come on...I'm the only one brave enough to vote for any other picture besides 2? I don't like it! He's eating, and it makes the image look bad. What is the big deal that the picture has to be from season three, anyway? Is it just because it is the most recent? If anything, let's put up 8. It is a season three image that portrays Sokka's "attitude" as well as being the most current. It's from the finale, so that's good. Energybender 22:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

There reasons I don't like 8 is because it's too dark, and that he's in an awkward position, 6 is further in the finale than 8, but I don't like his expression in it. Omnibender - Talk 23:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Excuse Me? Bravery, Hah! This is'nt about bravery. Its about what you like. Just put your vote. enough with the discussion. It voting time. BTW pic 2 portrays Sokka's Attitude the best. He was'nt eating the fruit in the pic. He was holding it up and saying to Aang and Sokka: "Mind if I watch you two Jerks do your Jerkbending?" See, Funny. Also he's looking Goofy. Another Sokka Characteristic. Get It? - Zero - Talk 12:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Besides Pic 8 IS too dark. Because of which, The Colors cant be seen properly. - Zero - Talk 06:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

Put your votes here:

Picture 1

Picture 2

1. Omnibender - Talk 18:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
2. Puragus - Talk 19:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
3. - Zero - Talk 03:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Picture 3

Picture 4

Picture 5

Picture 6

Picture 7

1. Alex101313 - Talk 02:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Picture 8

1. Energybender - Talk 18:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
2. Joey - Talk 22:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)