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Blue bird Edit

Anyone has any idea what to call the blue bird that was perched at the top of Unalaq's ship? Article or no article, that needs to be listed in the fauna article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:33, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Southern Water Tribe's rebel spirit Edit

I don't think revolting against Unalaq's rule can be called "just choosing a different path" with any amount of sincerity. Saying it's them rebelling is just calling it what it is. I don't see any reason to try and censor this fact. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 20:56, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

My point about them choosing a different path was in regards to the SWT not adhering to the traditions as much as the NWT (i.e. them choosing a different path), as this is what I thought you meant in the original edit.
That said, I do not believe the point is valid anyway, as that there was nothing in the episode (that I recall at least) that indicated Southern rebelliousness against Northern rule, and thus no double meaning intended (I would add here that I do not believe isolated events such as Tonraq's dislike of his brother to count towards this). Such indications were only demonstrated in later episodes, and thus I feel proof from the writers/creators would be needed that the title of the episode foreshadowed this occurring to make the point valid. HAMMEROFTHOR 17:58, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
Apart from rebelling against Northern traditions, there's also the fact that Unalaq actively remonstrates with them during the banquet scene and they pretty much ignore his warnings. It's this "rebel spirit" that makes the Rebel Spirit appear and attack (at least as far as the viewer knows, later it's revealed that presumably all of the Dark Spirits were under Unalaq's control, at least nominally). Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 19:06, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
Again, I feel that falls under choosing a different path. Rebelling to me is taking a direct opposition to something, which as I noted occurred in later episodes, but is not prevalent in this episode. HAMMEROFTHOR 17:26, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
From Dictionary.com, this is one of the definitions of "rebel" (n.): "a person who resists any authority, control, or tradition." By rejecting the warnings of their chief, they are resisting both his authority and attempts to control them. By "choosing another path," as you put it, they are resisting their traditions, which Unalaq wants them to return to. Therein, you can see that their actions are the very definition of "rebel." Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 02:41, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Bumping the thread as instructed... >__> Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 02:56, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

First, let my apologise for not having replied to your previous response sooner. It was not my intention to simply leave the discussion while it was ongoing, but for reasons that I won't go into I was not able to reply at the time, and it subsequently slipped my mind.
Now, I think you will agree that there was little chance of coming to a consensus (or at least, that was my feeling), and so in an effort to come to some agreement, would you accept the following rewording of the original point:
* The title of the episode is a play on both the dark spirit that rebels against the humans, and the rebellious spirit of the Southerners in rejecting the traditions of the North.
My main concern initially was that we not suggest the title foreshadowed the Water Tribe Civil War, so here the focus is more on the rejection of Northern traditions, which was indicated in the episode. HAMMEROFTHOR 15:43, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
What exactly is the point of the trivia in general? The part about the dark spirit is -in my opinion- stating the obvious, which makes is redundant, and the part that it would refer to the Southerners is somewhat speculative. It could refer to them, but who says the episode wasn't named as such because Korra rebelled against her father and Tenzin's decisions? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:47, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with lostris. the trivia point really shouldn't be on there, per reasons she stated, however, if it does end up on the page, it should be worded as HoT most recently suggested. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs)
I don't mind rewording it to leave out the foreshadowing, Hammer of Thor. As to Lady Lostris' point, it's not really speculation about whether or not it's ironic. Like any piece of art, the artist's original intent isn't relevant, since the piece has a life and character on it's own. It does have an ironic word element, whether it was intended or not. And I think it isn't redundant, since not everyone, in my opinion, would necessarily think of that. Besides, just because people know it doesn't mean we shouldn't put it on the wiki. Most people know the plot of the series, yet we still have history sections. And nobody calls that redundant. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 20:01, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Those history sections are a collection of facts. This trivia point serves no point in my opinion rather than stating an unnecessary obvious something and add a speculative interpretation/opinion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:04, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Just stating the obvious here, but it is called "trivia" for a reason. And you can't spell trivial without trivia. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 20:20, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Regardless of how you spell it, that doesn't deter from the fact that we do aim to make our trivias have some standard of relevance -and before you would defend the point by showing trivias that have no relevance at all, I am already going to say that I know that there are pages that sport trivias that are completely redundant and should be deleted. If you see those, feel free to remove them.
Anyway, same as with the Dark Spirit discussion, I don't see the point of this trivia at all and as such, I don't see the need to try to come to a compromise of any sort. So I'm going to leave this discussion by saying that I oppose to readdition of this trivia per my given reasoning. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:28, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
What do you think, Hammer of Thor? Initially you disagreed with the trivia on the merits of how it was worded; now that I've agreed to your compromise, do you still think it should be added? Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 14:59, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
I offered the compromise since there had been no input from anyone else and it didn't seem likely there would be a consensus between us, and I was willing to accept the reword since it removed my main issue. That said, Lostris does bring up a relevant point about it being speculative; we cannot really be sure whether the title of the episode was intended to refer to either or both interpretations, and the point on it being a play on words is really predicated on these interpretations being intended. So, in light of this and the additional views left, I would still support removal of the point entirely. HAMMEROFTHOR 17:12, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
for the reasons already stated, i also think we should remove the point entirely. apologies if someone already mentioned this, but the south hadn't rebelled against the north yet anyway in that episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 06:55, September 1, 2014 (UTC)