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According to Sozin's page, twelve years passed between Roku and Sozin's 16th birthday and Roku's wedding, then another five years passed before Roku and Sozin had their fight and then another twenty five years before Roku's death (and Aang's birth). Since Sozin's comet arrived 12 years after Aang's birth, this would mean that Roku and Sozin were born in the year 930 (as this timeline has placed the arrival of the comet in the year 1000), not the year 918 as is put in this timeline. Thus Sozin would have died in the year 1032, not 1020. On another note, in Zuko Alone, it is said that Azulon was fire Lord for only 23 years. Since he died in 1095 by this timeline, it means that he became fire lord in 1072, leaving a gap of fifty years between Sozin's death and the beginning of Azulon's reign. hmmmm....I guess theres room for fanon to make up a childless brother or sister for Azulon who was Fire Lord for those fifty years lol Dippit 04:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- Apparently there was an interview with the show's creators in which they said that Azulon was Fire Lord for 75 years and not the 20 years mentioned in "Zuko Alone". As for the rest of it, I suggest you contact TLane at User talk:TLane. -- Supermorff 12:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I don't understand how you derive which animal the year is? Can anyone provide a source? How do we know that 312 BSC is Year of the Dragon, for example?
- Through calculation. We do know the animal sign for the year 100ASC, so we can count backwards and work out 312 BSC. The source is the episode The Library. The astronomical room has the animal signs, and we know that the wheel gave an exact date and animal sign for the date of the Invasion of the Fire Nation. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 09:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
why start the war at year 1000? Is that a canon year system from the story?
I was wondering, where did the years of 1000 and 900 and 688 and stuff come from? Alex101313 23:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
It's all just quite basic, 1000 is when Aang was born, it's like saying 0, except this way we don't have to say Bc and Ad and such, so 100 is Aang's birth, and setting then as his birth, knowing the age of previous Avatars, we can tell when each one died and was borned through this happening within a week for each Avatar. And one more thing, Puragus, why did you delete my reply? Thanks. Joey - Talk 23:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, i get that part, but how did we land on 1000? Alex101313 23:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Because it sounds right, and it gives a lot of time to date events before the war. This isn't anything really official, we just made it up for convenience. In fact, I think we should add a disclaimer at the top explaining the year system, why it's there, and that it's not canon. Puragus - Talk 01:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Ya, I think we should make a template that we could use, something that says that it is not cannon and we could use it for this, the games, and everything else not cannon. What do you think? Joey - Talk 01:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, yes, on official non-canon things, like the Games and the TCG. It would work.
Great idea, but how the heck do you make templates? (excuse my computer incompetence) Alex101313 02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I see where that happened. It wasn't on purpose. I don't remember that being there when I replied. Don't worry about Templates Alex, I don't know how to make any either and I'm an admin. I'm sure Zero would be willing to do it. Puragus - Talk 03:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually, since I was bored I started messing around with it, and give me some feedback about it, the template is fairly simple and please give me some advice for it, thanks. Joey - Talk 04:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
It's a good start, and it would work for things like the TCG, but you might want to tweak it a bit to be more specific to certain articles. The timeline itself is canon, it's just the year system that isn't. Puragus - Talk 04:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Ya, so tell me how I should word this? For this specific article? This system of years is fan-made and is not considered canon." ? Tell me how you would word it. Joey - Talk 04:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how templates work, but I'd have something you could fill in, like the "Discussion closed" template. Something like, "The following information in this article is not considered canon: (Fill in here)". Can you do that? Puragus - Talk 04:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
That looks good to me. We could use both templates for specific cases. For example, the bottom template would work for this article, and the top one for TCG information. How does that sound to you? Puragus - Talk 05:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure it could be more colorful, but I don't know what colors. Just go with whatever you want, you're the one putting in the work. Although, it could use one of those pics, like the one above it. Puragus - Talk 05:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to go to bed now, and tomorrow I'll start to make it look nice and control the sides, and if anyone wants to edit it while its still in my sandbox, go right ahead, thanks. Joey - Talk 05:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok i'm going to stay out of the rest of the conversation. Good luck guys! =) Alex101313 00:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Puragus, I finalized it, Template:Canon the instructions for use are right on the page and are relatively different than what you may be familiar with, thanks and leave me some feedback. Feel free to apply it to any other article that is partly or completely non-canon. Joey - Talk 06:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Something Alex said on my Talk Page made me realize something: There's a problem with the timeline. If you think about it, Sozin's Comet is said to come once every hundred years. Sozin started the war in the year 1000. But, according to our timeline, Aang unfroze in 1100, and stopped Ozai and Sozin's in the year 1101. This is impossible if Sozin's comet comes every 100 years, and Aang would have defeated Ozai on the 101'st anniversary of the War. This can't be right. Logically, Aang unfroze in the year 1099, and the war ended in 1100. Puragus Talk 02:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
That is a problem. Oh dear, here comes the fixing work. On the other hand, I suppose it wouldn't come exactly every 100 years. There would be some slack. How many things do you see happen exactly every whatever period of time? 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 02:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
The 888th Avatar: That's a good point, except that the Avatar World doesn't seem to function like ours does in some way. The comet enters the world's atmosphere without crasahing into it, and it's implied that that's what happens every time. If it can do that, I think it could come every 100 years precisely.
Alex: We know the seasons take place over different seasons. Season one is in winter (Winter Solstice), and in The Chase, they said Appa was shedding because of Spring, and Sozin's Comet takes place at the end of summer. We're assuming that the new year comes in the winter, like in our world, or else that would screw up the timeline anyway. Puragus Talk 02:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I think so. Mind you, we are making a lot of assumptions with this template. We assume that Sozin's Comet comes every 100 years exactly, at the end of every summer. We assume that the New year begins on January first in this world (although it is also logical to assume that it's in February, as per the Chinese new year). None of that is canon, but since there's no official confirmation, I say we continue to assume these things, and add it to the Non-Canon template. Puragus Talk 03:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I realize this problem has been brought up before, but I don't think that this problem was ever sufficiently adresses (and I suspect that many of the previous users who commented on it are gone, now, so I don't know if anyone will even read this). The problem lies with the fact that the comet coming exactly one hundred years apart does not sit with three other simple pieces information we know; Azulon was born shortly after the comet arrived, presumably in the same year. He died at age 95, so ninety five years had passed since the comet when Ozai became Fire Lord. The problem is that I have seen Ozai's reign marked as six years, which would put the comet's return at 101 years. Is there any reference for the six year reign length? telane (talk • contribs) 00:20, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Guys, here's a better idea then "YA - Years Ago":
- BTW - Before the War
- DTW - During the War
- ATW - After the War
Also, another suggestion:
- BSC - Before Sozin's Comet (First Time)
- ASC - After Sozin's Comet
- BBW - Before the Battle at Wulong Forest
- ABW - After the Battle of Wulong Forest
Notes: The first be a good way, since it might be a possible way the World of Avatar would date it. The second one is another possibility, though I understand if it's not a good one. And the final one is probably my favorite. Since the battle was the most important event in the series, it's a good idea to date events around it. It's similar to the way they date Star Wars, "BBY -Before the Battle of Yavin" and "ABY - After the Battle of Yavin."
What do you guys think, since I really don't like the "YA," it makes no sense.
-SuperFlash101 03:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- I wouldn't change this. It's too complicated. However, if we must, it should be based around Aang's awakening at the South Pole. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 03:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Really? And it's not really complicated, it's actually quite simple. I just said a lot (maybe two much) of stuff. Ha-ha... Anyways, there would be no nice-looking system for that. I mean, it would be BAA, which I just don't like what it is abbreviated from. --SuperFlash101 03:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- The funny thing is that many pages still have YA. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 04:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Exactly what I was going to say before 888th added and gave me an edit conflict. We need to establish a new system for battles and wars and duels. Which one do you like best? --SuperFlash101 04:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Bur it's not really a real system. A "system", in this case, is a dating system we need to use to date actual dates. These are completely un-canon ways to date, but the previous system is an actual way to date things canonically. Please understand. --SuperFlash101 04:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I get that. But, and this is just my opinion, I think the system we use right now is easier to understand. But I'll shut up and listen to other opinions. Puragus Talk 04:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
But, you see, the thing is, battles and wars are using a blend of YA and the current system. It would be easier to create a new, simplar, canon way to date. I mean, the "year 1000" is never mentioned in the show, and this is seriously a real and canon way to date things. We don't need to put the canon tag at the top anymore, and I for one think this system makes no sense. How'd someone come up with this? I think we should change it to a new CANON system. (And by "Canon", I mean these are real dates for the show, as we can really date how long before the Battle at Wulong Forest something happened or how long before the first Sozin's Comet happened. The whole series takes place from 1 - 100 ASC.) Please here me out here. --SuperFlash101 13:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
The system is fine as long as we make it clearer to all users that 1000 is the beginning of the War. We should splash it on the Community Portal and the Main Page etc. However, if we do change the system, I've changed my mind and I think dating from the start of the War is most logical. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 15:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, but why don't you like using this system?> It's CANON, which is why I don't like this system, it's completely fan-made. Don't you see? --SuperFlash101 15:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I actually kind of like this idea now, since it is canon. The best, most logical system would be "Before Sozin's Comet" and "After Sozin's Comet", since it's not that different from what we have, and is easiest to understand. The only question I have is: did Sozin's comet come in the year 0 or 1 ASC? Puragus Talk 05:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I kind of like it as well. Sozin's Comet, Puragus would of course come on 0. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 05:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! Okay, yeah, Sozin's Comet (remember, this is the first time it came around and started the war) would be at year 0, but there wouldn't be any "BSC" or "ASC" after that, only when it's before or after. Cool, we should start the vote, right? --SuperFlash101 14:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
You touched my main concern with this year system, which Comet passing is to be used. I'm actually fine with it, but we'd need some kind of warning to explain the year system, and to clarify that the comet passing used as a reference point is the one that helped the Fire Nation start the war. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
- Splash it on the main page, the help page, the community portal etc. That will warn users and will serve as a reference point for viewers and future users. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 14:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
- As I suggested on the community portal, the new system should be on a page titled "History of the World of Avatar", or something along those lines. Energybender 00:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I thought Sozin's Comet Came roughly 100 years before Aang was released from the iceberg. Not 1000 years. Why is it written 1000 as year of Sozin's Comet. If anything it should be -100. - Zero - Talk 17:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, so when we date it (which it seems like everyone's gung-ho for, and I guess we should decide when it's around six people) it would be "0," and then when Aang awakens, it would be "100 ASC." The Battle at Wulong Forest would be "101 ASC." Also, I think you're forgetting the system. The dating system we're voting on is for Before and After Sozin's Comet, so it wouldn't be 100 it would be just plain 0. I think you're confusing the new and old systems. I'll try to get up a mapping for it, soon. --SuperFlash101 17:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, that's seven, it's obviously unanimous. Before I go around and start a-fixing, any more comments. I'll give it about 2 hours. --SuperFlash101 20:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've started implementation. This discussion is over (it would take an enormous amount of users to defeat this anyway). 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 11:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Former System: 1000 as year of Sozin's Comet (start of war)
A New System: 0 as year of Sozin's Comet (start of war) and years marked BSC and ASC
- 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 14:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)\
- Super Flash (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) - What have I done?! 16:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
- Energybender 00:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Puragus Talk 08:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Seems a lot better. - Zero - Talk 17:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Why start at 1000? Just start at 0 Waterkai 20:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Dcasawang1 - Talk - Contributions 17:23, 30 December 2008
- Might as well make it a landslide. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
|This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:|
|The voting procedure is over. The new dating system (ASC/BSC) will be implemented.|
|Please do not edit this discussion.|
Chinese Lunar Calendar
Did you know that we can date all events during the series with greater accuracy using the Chinese Lunar Calendar than with the normal calendar? This is because the moon is always full in the middle (15th) of a Chinese Lunar month. This does however make assumptions, such as the first of the eighth month for the Invasion of the Fire Nation instead of the first of August, which is a different date. I've got the rough timing of the second and third seasons here. Note that 15/2 must have occured at the end of Season 1 (full moon during the Siege of the North)
206 - Toph joins Team Avatar - 15/3
210 - Team Avatar visits the Library - Before 15/4
212 - Team Avatar crosses the Serpent's Pass - 15/4
213 - Team Avatar destroys The Drill - 16/4
214 - Team Avatar passes the Outer Wall - 16/4
215 - Tales of Ba Sing Se - 4th month/5th month
216 - Appa is captured by Long Feng - 15/5
217 - Team Avatar recovers Appa - Late 5th month
218 - Team Avatar visits the Earth King - Late 5th month
219-220 - FIRE NATION CONQUERS BA SING SE - Late 5th month
301 - Aang wakes up and enters the Fire Nation - 15/6
308 - Team Avatar meets Hama - 15/7
309 - Aang hallucinates and has nightmares - 27-30/7
310-311 - INVASION OF FIRE NATION (Solar Eclipse)- 1/8
312 - Zuko joins Team Avatar - Early 8th month
313 - Aang takes first firebending lessons - Early 8th month
314 - Sokka & Zuko infiltrate The Boiling Rock - Before 15/8
315 - Sokka & Zuko escape The Boiling Rock - Before 15/8
316 - Katara attacks Southern Raiders - 15/8
317 - Team Avatar sees Ember Island Players - Late 8th month
318-321 - FINAL BATTLES - End 8th month
- Wait, I don't get it. What does this mean? And is this what you want to replace the year system, because as far as I can tell, this is the Chinese dating system, and Avatar has never been confirmed to use it. So, it doesn't seem canon. But, seriously, I don't understand what this is about. -Super Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me, bay-bay!) ~ What have I done?!?! 15:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- I know this is not canon. This is not to replace the year system. This is merely a list of dates that happened during the series. I was thinking that maybe this could go under section "List of dates according to Lunar Calendar" and paste a non-canon template on it. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 15:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. So this is a date system to date days and months, while the proceeding is for years and is canon. I got it. We could use days if we want for articles. --SuperFlash101 16:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, we should avoid using these on the actual articles, but we should note it on this article. If we do actually include them on the event articles, then we should make it clear that this is the lunar calendar we are talking about, otherwise we'll have a lot of confusion ("Huh! How do you know this happened on the 15th!"). 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 10:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I thought that the people in the Avatar World had a dating system based on the old Chinese Calendar. Remember in The Library, dates from the old Chinese Calendar were shown twice. See here for description to the writings that show this. - Zero - Talk 17:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- It certainly looks like it, but we can't be sure. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 23:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Remove "August 1"
This is going to be unpopular, but I propose removing the date August 1 from everything, or at least put "August 1 or the 1st Day of the 8th Month". This is because we are not actually sure which system is being used the Avatar World, the Solar Calendar or the Chinese Lunar Calendar. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 11:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Is anyone going to reply to this? This should be controversial. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 09:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Although I put this date up in the first place, I agree that we don't know for certain which system is used in the show (and I'm always all for a little more variety). Besides, it really does just say "1st day of 8th month" on the calendar wheel. It also says that it's the Year of the Monkey (plus that weird "Superior Military" label which I'm assuming is an era name) - do you think this should be added? It might help with also adding the Fire Nation's darkest day, is only dated as a "Cultivate Rule" Dragon year. I hope this helps! telane 02:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Okay. So we now put "1st day of 8th month" to it. Unless there are objections...? The 888th Avatar - Talk 03:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree completely, and am excited to start using some eras and stuff. Thank god for that calender, huh? --SuperFlash101 15:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
99ASC/100ASC vs. 100ASC
SuperFlash, just because they happened in two differently named years does not mean that they did not happen in the same year. I had a birthday this year and I will have a birthday next year, and they have a year between them, but they have differently named years. The 888th Avatar - Talk 15:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- You don't get it, though, do you? The series is one year, and 99 and 100 are TWO DIFFERENT YEARS. This isn't like a birthday. It's completely different. Avatar is ONE YEAR, and it's 100 YEARS AFTER THE WAR started, so it's most indefinitely and obviously 100 ASC only, and I can't believe we are having an argument on whether to blatantly change everything that the creators and the show itself have said. --SuperFlash101 15:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- What the creators were saying was that the events of Avatar happened in the space of one year. They didn't specifically say that the events happened inside a named year. If the events start in late 99 ASC, in winter, and end in mid 100 ASC, in summer, everything makes sense. The 888th Avatar - Talk 15:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- Years start in Winter. Even in the Chinese Calender. And they didn't specifically say that the series doesn't. It's been the way it goes since the start of the series; i.e., it is always implied that it's over ONE YEAR. You do know that Winter starts years, right? In the Chinese calender as well. So it's pretty obvious that the series if one year, and that's 100 After the War, or 100 ASC. --SuperFlash101 15:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- Then why does it start in February? Anyways, seriously, I don't get this discussion. Every fan who watches the show knows that it's 100 Years after the War. We are not High Powers, or creators, or workers, or writers, or anything. We are fans, who just know a lot. And from what we know for sure it's 100 into the War, and therefore it's 100 Years After Sozin's Comet. Get it? --SuperFlash101 15:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- The Chinese Calendar is different from the solar calendar. We have a different idea of when Spring begins. By saying that it's 100 years after Sozin's Comet, that would mean if Sozin's Comet began 0 ASC, then 100 ASC would begin with Sozin's Comet, by calculation. That's why in the "Dating System Used" section, I've put that Sozin's Comet came during the middle (8th month) of 0 ASC, and that its next appearance is during 100 ASC. The 888th Avatar - Talk 16:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- Look, I-I don't want to get mean, but you just don't understand. First of all, only you think this, as it appears. Two, even the credits support me: "...the Fire Nation attacked....could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years past... If that doesn't get to you, I'll quote some more:
- "Did the definition of "Genius" change in the past 100 Years?"
- "No one's seen an Airbender for the past 100 Years."
- (Rough quote) "...turning your back on us for 100 Years!"
- I can't believe you'd even think this. I am tired of this; it's ridiculous. It is obvious that it's 100 Years After the war, and you still are going to say you know more than the series or even the creators know. --SuperFlash101 14:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- And I'm really sick of you making up speculation and slapping it true or canon, when it's not. --SuperFlash101 14:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- It took you eight days to post. I thought we had settled this. But I guess you're a little more stubborn than I thought.
- Let's see...you seem to think that 100 years is a pure, exact definition. For you, it happened exactly 100 years afterwards. Unfortunately, the only event we know happened with an exact 100 year gap is Sozin's Comet. You are suggesting that Sozin's Comet indeed comes every 101 years, not 100 years. Since Sozin's Comet is our reference point (it has been since long before I joined), any events that happened beforehand were not exactly 100 years after Aang was frozen in the iceberg. While they mostly indeed happened in the 100th year (the year 100 ASC) after Sozin's Comet, they did not in fact happen exactly 100 years afterwards.
- Anyway, many people use "100 years" for effect. It's more dramatic and more common to say "100 years" rather than "99 years and 4 months". We talk about the Australian Federation (which happened in 1901) as being "100 years ago" rather than "108 years ago".
- I never have, and never will, suggest that I know more than the creators. I am interpreting their hints to make this wiki as factually accurate as possible. I do not make up speculation and paste a true or false title on it. Please do not accuse me of these things. I would prefer that this remain a civil discussion rather than a crude exchange of shots. The 888th Avatar - Talk 14:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Look, I don't want this to be a trial of shots either. But you have to understand, read your posts, they keep saying the same thing: it's possible. But not definite. We can't apply something that we don't know for sure. That's why I want this to go back to normal, where we didn't put in that possibility. I see what you mean, but it is still just a possibility. And that's all it is. I know you may have always looked at it as this way, but it is still, and so far always will be, just a possibility. Do you understand? We can't build a foundation on possibilities and "hints." Everybody I know knows the War as being 100 Years long. I get that you believe this, but you can;t just go up and say it's possible for the series to be 99 and 6 months after the war, because that's not backed up by anything, and since we don't have actual proof to that and no one seems to agree with you thus far, we can only pass the 99 ASC thing as speculation, and a simple possibility. --SuperFlash101 14:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- I've done some research now. Aang was awakened nearly 100 years after he was frozen, because he was frozen before The War began. Do the maths. That's why he can say this and that changed in 100 years. In the opening sequence, Katara says that 100 years have passed since the Avatar vanished, not 100 years after the war began. Now, since Aang was frozen before the War, it all makes sense again.
- Of course the war is 100 years long. It became exactly 100 years long on the arrival of Sozin's Comet. No dispute there.
- With the Sozin's Comet and Aang running away logic, I think it's accurate to say that the War dured exactly 100 years, due to the Comet timing, and that Aang was frozen a little longer than 100, since we ran away before the war started. The only thing I think of that makes Aang frozed for exactly a century is that we don't know how much time passed between those events. A day? A week? A month? It's clear that Aang was frozen right after running away, the storm was shown when Gyatso found his note. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Then do you agree with having 99 ASC as the beginning of the series or not? --SuperFlash101 22:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: sorry, I misread the argument. We clearly see in the series that there is a winter solstice after the series' beginning with Aang's awakening, an event that usually comes before the new year, at least in the Gregorian calendar, and possibly in the Chinese calendar as well (some confirmation from you, 888, would be helpful here). If true, the year clearly changed over the course of the series. Furthermore, The characters always speak very casually, which, in my mind, would make them inclined to use general dates rather than exact ones while in conversation. Puragus Talk 23:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- The winter solstice always comes before the new year in the Chinese Calendar, because Chinese New Year is always after the New Year in the Gregorian calendar. Therefore, the year clearly changed. SuperFlash, if you can't understand 99 ASC changing into 100 ASC, then you have to understand that the Year of the Ram changed into the Year of the Monkey (the fact that it is the Monkey year is proved in The Library). Suggesting anything otherwise would betray the show's Chinese influences. The 888th Avatar - Talk 01:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Whoa, whoa, whoa, do not say I don't support the shows Chinese influences, I'm a huge of the inspiration anime and and gung ho for the Aang-Ain't-White thing. Anyways, that's all I wanted to hear. If you reread my posts, you'll see I needed evidence, because you never actually gave any to prove your claim. Thanks, so I guess we're good. Discussion closed? --The Flash!! - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 02:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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|99 ASC (Ram) was the year Aang emerged from the iceberg, and 100 ASC (Monkey) was the year The War ended.|
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Doesn't the timeline put the ages on the Character pages into question? For example, if Zuko were born in the year 83 ASC and the war ended in 100 ASC, wouldn't that mean Zuko was seventeen years old at the end of the war? On his page it claims he is 16. Though I suppose we'd have to take months into consideration. Wouldn't it be better to make the ages on the character pages coincide with this timeline? Maiko-Is-Forever 09:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
- Read the Dating System Used section again. In it, I explained that their birthdays all fell in 99 ASC before the start of the series (but after the 8th month). For example, Zuko turned sixteen mid to late 99 ASC, and is now nearly seventeen, but not yet. 99 - 16 = 83, which is where I get the year from. There is no conflict between the two, unless the character pages have incorrect dates (this page's dates are the most accurate). The 888th Avatar - Talk 09:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
- 888, why'd you even put that. Do you realize how made up that is? It seems, like in the discussion above, that you are trying to completely abolish the canoncy of this entire page. Please, I'm going to have to ask you, just stop making up those things with your "possibilities." It's just not canon, and you have no justified proof. --SuperFlash101 14:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's not a "possibility". No birthdays happened during the series; therefore, through logical deduction, they happened before the series. Also, if for example Zuko was claimed to be 16 at the start of the series (meaning that his birthday was beforehand), and he was still 16 at the end of the series, from logical deduction, his birthday did not happen through the series. SuperFlash, you need to stop putting down all this "evidence" and look at everything logically. The 888th Avatar - Talk 01:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
888, I should correct you: we only assume that no birthdays happened during the course of the series because no canon source has ever said anything to the contrary. But it amounts to the same thing as far as this issue is concerned. Puragus Talk 03:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, except for Yue's birthday, that happened. The 888th Avatar - Talk 03:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Fun Fact: In the Chinese culture, birthdays aren't usually celebrated, except for the very old and the very young. So, someone could have had a birthday during the series but they just didn't mention it. ImpeachKuei (wall • contribs) 04:16, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
isn't it ironic that azula was born in the year of the snake.User:Luvingazula - Talk 17:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Please stop asking these questions on talk pages! There are forums available for this purpose. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
sorry i will try to remember. ( like that will happen).User:Luvingazula - Talk 17:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
It's also ironic that Iroh and Zuko were born on the same year.
Azula goes to a mental health clinic?
Where the hell was that confirmed?
So where does this crap about "people used to energy bend before bending elements" come from? 188.8.131.52 06:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Watch the finale more closely, Aang remembers the Lion Turtle's words when he starts using Energybending on Ozai. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- I do remember those words and they can't honestly be taken to suggest people went around Energy Bending... If anything, he's saying the Lion Turtles themselves did that. 184.108.40.206 22:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I thought Koh said
Sozin's Comet Year Notation
I was thinking: instead of putting 0 BSC or 0 ASC, why not put SC or YSC (Sozin's Comet or Year of Sozin's Comet)? Because of Gyatso's page it says: 79 BSC - 0 ASC and on Lio's page it says 87 BSC - 0 BSC. So why not put YSC or SC? --KiumaruHamachi (talk • contribs) 14:08, July 26, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
How exactly did you figure out how long ago Wan's time was?
- Based on the Harmonic Convergences that come every ten thousand years. Then you just count back from 171 ASC, "the present". Lady Lostris vstf (talk • HotN) 09:57, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
- Where was it stated that the Harmonic Convergence from Wan's time and the current Harmonic Convergence have no Harmonic Convergences between them? EndlessStrategyGames (wall • contribs) 10:46, November 3, 2013 (UTC)EndlessStrategyGames
- By the fact that it was stated in the episodes that the HCs are ten thousand years apart. In Wan's initial introduction in some press article somewhere (sorry, I forgot the source to the exact message), it was also stated that Wan lived circa ten thousand year prior to Korra, thus it all adds up. Lady Lostris vstf (talk • HotN) 10:49, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
Hello everybody. I have a new proposal and I hope you will agree with my ideas. I think we should change the ASC and BSC thing on this article and use something related to the Harmonic Convergence as it is more important than the Sozin Comet and is related to all avatars and not only Aang. I hope you understand: So to make it clear: We should change the ASC and BSC with something related to Harmonic convergence. Thanks. Jay Jou (wall • contribs) 19:03, November 26, 2013 (UTC)