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Lava/Magma Bending


Actually, in The Winter Solstice Part 2, the Fire Sage Shyru says that Roku used the magma to make the tunnels under the temple on Cersent Island and Aang demonstrates it when "posessed" by Roku after communicating with him, so I think that its very possible for Lava/Magma Bending to be considered part of Firebending.Fire Sage Ru

No he merely said that Avatar Roku carved these tunnels from the magma. Not used magma to make the tunnels. Zero 08:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Magma/lavabending would not be considered firebending because it is liquid rocks. Just like waterbenders can bend ice the solid form of water. Scott 00:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Magma/lavabending is considered Firebending simply because when demonstrating it, it is always "shown" to be Firebending. In The Avatar State, each Avatar used their own natural element, which pretty much says that lava falls under Firebending. If I had to justify it, I would go on the line that Firebenders are actually energy benders, fire being the standard/easier form to manifest it. Iroh said himself that to create lightning you have to separate the yin and the yang, which are like the positive and negative charges. Magma and lava technically are molten rock, but because they are super saturated with energy, with heat, Firebenders are able to control it. It like the Plantbending, Waterbenders can bend it because there's water inside them, once the water is removed, it can't be bended anymore. Roku used Firebending to "calm down" the lava, and Sozin removed the heat. After removing the heat, it became solid rock, something Firebenders can't bend. Omnibender 00:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually in Avatar Day Kyoshi Magmabent to form Kyoshi Island. Scott 01:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

She did? I remember her cracking open the ground and seeing some lava, but I don't remember her bending it. What I do remember is her using Airbending to "push" the fractured landmass. I think I have rewatch some old episodes. Omnibender 02:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

firending is all about controlling heat, cos firebending is pretty much just controlling air that has been heated to the ignition point, but this doesnt mean that they can airbend as well 00:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

And you just said nothing with nothing. Omnibender 00:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No, not only Avatar's can magma bend. As it is shown in a flash back that Fire Lord Sozin can magma bend to when he tried to Help Avatar Roku save his Island. And i am pretty sure Fire Lord Sozin wasnt an Avatar. [[User:MelanieMAGGOTTT;;|MelanieMAGGOTTT;;]] 8:13pm 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope, what Sozin did was remove the heat from the magma, that's very different from actually bending the lava, in no way he made the magma move unnaturally, Roku did. Omnibender - Talk 14:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

- The heat is not fire, and the liquid state of magma is not water, so the avatars use "EARTHBENDING", because magma is molten rock. It's basic chemistry.Maxsaver 15:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Then you fail at chemistry, cause heat is a form of energy, this matter has been discussed thoroughly, and from what the series gave us, magma is Firebending. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

What about the scene from the first episode in season 2 (forgot the name), while Roku was explaining the Avatar State to Aang, when it came to the fire nation avatar before Roku he caused volcanoes to erupt--Twilitlink 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

My opinion, magma is simply combination beetween earth element and fire element (just like a mud which is combination beetween earth and water that can be bend by a earthbender and waterbender). Only magma is too powerfull to bend even by the Avatar self (but not all the Avatar, I believe there's Avatar which powerfull enough to bend it). Not like a mud which has a solid element of earth and water, fire element in magma is simply just in a form of energy, like Omni said. That's why even a powerfull firebender only able to bend just the fire form of magma, showed when Sozin only able to redirect heat from Magma. But, it's clearly that only firebender can deal with magma (since no earthbender able to bend magma along the series). That's why lava/magma bending should be categorized as firebending.--Indra i 00:50, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

In my oppinion Magma bending is part earth and part fire. What I mean is that to actualy control the lava is earthbending but you need firebending to keep it in liquid form and to handle the extream heat. WaterDragon 20:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoa! So much about magma bending! First I must state here that firebending is not energybending! I agree with WaterDragon, magma bending is actually earthbending, since magma is earth (molten rock). Just like waterbending, waterbenders are able to bend water in whatever state, ice, water and steam, as long as it's H2O. Earthbending should follow the same principles. Though I think only Avatars are able to magma bend, since skill and technique in bending fluids is required, so knowledge in waterbending is needed to achieve magma bending. Same applies to a possible liquid-air bending. These should be sub-skills attributed only to the Avatar, who is the only one who has skills in all four bending styles. Last Waterbender 16:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Energybending as shown in the series is not bending heat, something Firebenders were shown doing. Waterbending involves changing the state of water, something that doesn't happen with Earthbending, or do you mean that they can bend gaseous earth? And before anyone tries to say it, dust isn't gaseous, it's just small solid particles in suspension. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:01, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Avatar Extras

Can a well known user confirm or deny the info added to lavabending that Avatar Extras said it's a mix of Firebending and Earthbending? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:37, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Since no reliable user confirmed or denied this, I removed that from the page, for the time being. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:26, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Emotional State

Would another reason for lossing the ability to firebend be an emotional/phycological factor? For example; Zuko couldn't firebend because he lost his ambition/drive.

I think that would be correct, in TFBM, Zuko said he had lost his drive, so he had to find I new one, and Aang was too hesitant, that too may count as a weakness. Omnibender 16:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, his drive was his anger but once he had lost it for Team Avatar his abilities weakened. This is mainly because the fire nation wants firebenders to belive anger is what powers bending. But it is not. [[User:MelanieMAGGOTTT;;|MelanieMAGGOTTT;;]] 8:16pm. 29 October 2008 (UTC)

i agree

Fire Daggers

Does anybody think that it would be possible to extend the length of the flame? Could it also be possible to make a fire sword in that manner? Fire Sage Ru 16:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, I see no reason for that to be impossible. But then bending would become to anime like. Omnibender 19:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

It would seem likely. You could probaly make a fire staff.Fire Lord Phillip 15:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Fire Lord Phillip

I know the fire daggers haven't been used alot in the series, but they were cool. I don't know if it's possible to extend the length of the flame. Zukofan123 16:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Blue Flames

It has been confirmed that females fire bend in a blue color;Not because it's hotter than red/orange.

Oh yeah? Where? 06:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I remember that a female guard used Firebending in The Invasion, wasn't blue. Omnibender 15:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Azula said so herself.

More details: specific details of which episode and when she said it, to whom... we need comfirmation! BHynes10 19:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think people would remember if Azula had said something like that. Omnibender 23:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

This guy is just making stuff up. besides in the flashbacks in Zuko Alone Azula's Firebending was still Red and Orange because she had not yet learned blue firebending. That proves this guy wrong. Zero 06:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea wheres his proof?Fire Lord Phillip 15:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Fire Lord Phillip

Blue flames are simply a hotter version of the other flames and in the sun warrior episode the dragons used green and white flames therefore suggesting that there are hotter version than blue.

White perhaps, but not green, in the color scale, blue has more energy than green, it's a physics thing that I don't know how to explain correctly. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:34, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

it is chemestry: green fire can be created if copper or barium is added to the feul. fire can even be pink if Potassium were to be added to the feul. bleu fire can be created through heat and a veriaty of particals. however the human body does not have enough in it's body to create bleu fire(a higher dosage is lethel to humans).

Comet-Enhanced Firebending

Does anyone have any screenshots of the enormous fireblasts the firebenders used during Sozin's Comet? We could add that next to "Enhanced Firebending", to demonstrate the extent of the comet's power to increase firebending. Munkiman 01:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Not that I know of, I guess we'll have to wait until DongbuFeng or AvatarSpirit uploaded screenshots. Omnibender 01:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to upload a few tonight. Scott 01:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

They are not the best, but they will have to do untill AvatarSpirit updates. Which one(s) should we use? Scott 02:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I like 3, 4 and 6. Omnibender 03:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Those are the once that I thought were better because of the quality of 1 and 2. Scott 03:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I Like 1 3 4 and 6 ~ Daniel 04:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to turn the images into links? This is it'll use less space. Omnibender 02:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember when Ozai used fire bending during the comet? It sorta looked like it was charging up and sorta look like a missle until he realesed it. Is that an affect of the comet??Fire Lord Phillip 15:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Fire Lord Phillip

Not really, both Zuko and Azula were shown to charge their attacks before, Azula in The Drill against Aang, and Zuko in Crossroads of Destiny, also against Aang. Omnibender 17:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

O ok. Thanks.

You know you could group the pictures together like this:

-6 image gallery removed-

Here's the Code:

<gallery> Image:CB1.png|1 Image:CB2.png|2 Image:CB3.png|3 Image:CB4.png|4 Image:CB5.png|5 Image:CB6.png|6 </gallery>

I did it in the Dancing Dragon Page to illustrate the moves. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I changed the pic for enhanced firebending. i put azula and zuko's final agni kai pic. it is better than the previous pic. Bloodbender 12:47, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

That image was chosen by everyone who voted in it, you don't just change it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:29, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. i made a mistake, probably coz i'm new. SORRY!!!!! Bloodbender 10:43, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Green Firebending

I know it is certainly possible but can it be attempted? CoasterKing 00:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

There is no such thing as green fire, whitish/bluish fire is as hot as it gets. Howabout1-(Talk) 00:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well on like a stove sometimes it gets greenish. Im just saying it would be cool. How about a firebender that bends white fire. That would be abnormally powerful. CoasterKing 00:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Fire will burn green if its fuel is a cooper salt. The closest thing to green fire the series has ever shown was fire in Long Feng's office, which was burning some crystals, hence the green hue, and the multi color fire from the dragons in The Firebending Masters. Omnibender 01:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible for white firebending? CoasterKing 01:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Ran and Shao did that too. Omnibender 02:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

In the real world, white fire is considered the hottest bright white being at 1500 degrees Centigrate. Check out Wikipedia fire page. Zero 05:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I remember my chemistry teacher telling me that the hottest fire is actually invisible, something like UV, that people can't see. Omnibender 15:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

According to wikipedia, I quote "The hottest flames are white in appearance". Here is a image that can be a possible example.[[User:BGizzles45|BGizzles45]] 00:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


I could be wrong, but I believe the color variation is based on the light spectrum. More intense fire produces light with a shorter wavelength. So I guess if a fire were strong enough, it would emit UV rays. 05:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Fire emits light. I was taught in my early school years that the color of fire is based on the intensity of heat. It effects the frequency. That is why iron gets red hot and white hot. The Light emitting from the iron is actually possible because of the intensity of the heat. The frequency changes and that causes the different colors. Therefore it is completely possible for green firebending to take place. You just have to calculate the ratio of the Intensity of Fire versus the Frequency of Electromagnetic Rays to produce the color you need. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

It has to do with that too, but what I mentioned with the cooper salts is that when you burn it, the electrons in the outer electron shells gain energy, jumping to a higher energy level, and when they lose that energy, they lose it in the form of light, in this case green because thats the main color of cooper spectrum. Omnibender - Talk 17:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

But remember that since fire emits light, manipulating the intensity and the energy of fire can easily effect the light given off. Thats what Firebenders do after all. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 09:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Correct, but that would take a ridiculously extreme control over fire, I think it would be the Metalbending of fire in terms of control, not impossible, but extremely complex. Omnibender - Talk 23:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Thats why only Dragons have shown this ability up till now. Dragons are the Original and Ultimate Firebenders, remember. They can do it. And its not to say human benders cant do it as well. Toph invented Metalbending after all. So it stands to reason that some firebender in the past or future could do so as well. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The only reason I think firebenders would try to do that is to see if colored fire has any special property or advantage over regular fire. We know blue fire is hotter and carries a more concussive effect than regular fire, but if the other colors (white, green, pink, etc...) have no discernible characteristic or property other than the color, I think there's only one firebender who would find an advantage in have multi colored fire. Omnibender - Talk 22:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Well White Fire is definately hotter than the other colored fires. But you're right about the Magician Firebender. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 13:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of different colors of fire, did you guys notice that after Zuko met with the Sun Warriors in The Firebending Masters, his fire just like Aang's is partially white, and a light shade for the rest. Whilst, before meeting them, it was more orange and darker. Since this happened to both him, and Aang, do you think that could be something the dragons taught them? Is it worth adding? Thanks. Joey - Talk 00:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that the color of fire is dependant on the intensity of the bender's drive. The Purer and more Intense the drive the more the color shifts to white, with yellow being the weakest. By pure I dont mean good but... well I can't seem to find the words to emphsize it, The closest I can come with is stronger and focused. The Colors are Yellow, Red, Blue, Green and White. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It might have to do with Zuko and Aang learning fire directly from dragons, who teach the proper and pure meaning of fire to the worthy. Zuko's previous 'Sozin drive' fire was void of the spirit of fire as life, whereas later he realizes that fire is the pulse of life and his firebending was now an expression of the power of the small (metaphoric) sun in him. I can't speak for Iroh, but it's likely that he learned true fire and uses it as well.

We have to look at the Agni Kai between Zuko and Azula to see just how different their fires are; Zuko defends and counterattacks Azula with incredible ease but doesn't move much. Azula by contrast zips around and fires salvoes at her brother, totally offensive with only her jet feet to evade Zuko's flames. Zuko's coup de grace move is a fire arc that completely nullifies Azula's flame, while Azula is never seen deflecting Zuko's red/white fire.[[User:PhantomS|PhantomS]] 17:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

A firebender could probably augment green fire if it already exists. Remember the green fire from Long Feng's study?-- 22:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

That was simply the tint of the fireplace, the fire itself was not green. AlexTalk 22:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the fire was green, but that's because of the fuel, the crystals probably contained substances, such as copper salts, which when burned makes the flames green. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

In fact, the creators specifically said that in the commentary for "City of Walls and Secrets"- that it's because of the special minerals the citizens of Ba Sing Se use when lighting their fires. Puragus Talk 04:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh really? I must have missed that. Thanks for correcting me guys! AlexTalk 15:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


Can somebody please change the main image? I feel the circus trainer is a minor character and his picture should not be the first on a major article. Alex101313 00:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Lets see if anyone else feels the same way. Hey fellas! Input, views and comments needed here. Come on. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 11:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Earthbending also has a minor character in the main image. I don't think this is such a big deal, the image is meant to show the Bending Art, that doesn't mean it can't be a minor character. Omnibender - Talk 19:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Omni does have a point. Alex101313 19:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Image Idea

I think I have an idea for the main image. In the show opener, when Katara says "fire" and it shows Azula firebending, we have that picture on the top of the article. I'm going to suggest the same thing for all four element articles. Alex101313 14:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be a rather bland for a main image. Omnibender - Talk 14:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, but it would make sense. Alex101313 14:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Too boring. I think the pics used right now are perfect. There's a saying: "If its not broken dont fix it". Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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Fire Windmill/Spinning Attacks

I don't see how these techniques are different than just a Firebender generating fire. I think the people who added these are just looking at the series and trying to invent different techniques. I don't think we should add sections for a Firebender using different movements to make Fire, which is pretty much covered, and just for techniques that we can clearly see are different uses for fire (Fire Whips, Fire Daggers, Jet Prepusion, Charged attacks, ect). Puragus Talk 20:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

We should probably keep a limited amount of attacking moves unless it is something very unique. My theory with some of these attacks is that (similar to what Puragus said) people are creating their own moves and hoping it doesn't get by us as something false. Alex101313 - Talk 22:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

So, if no one has any objections, I'll remove both of them tomorrow. Puragus Talk 05:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

My attack!!? :( Tomatoworm 22:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Fire

What about the multi-colored flames from Ran and Shao? Shoudnt that be a "special technique"?

--[[User:Seireitou|Seireitou]] 01:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

That has already been referenced by mentioning the different colors of fire. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 03:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Profile Pic

is it possiable to remove the picutre of zuko on the fighting styles so it can be included in the vote.


what rubbish picture.[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 12:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

i think it should be changed. all he is doing is creating small flames in his hands[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 15:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that, too. It's better the Roku's Pic. Maxsaver 16:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

i would say have a one with zuko. omni what do you think [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 16:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason to change the image, in the bending pages, the main image is meant to show the bending, pure and simple. No need for flashy bending or important characters. If you can find images like that (not ones already used in the page), we can vote in the picture just like we did with characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

all the best ones are on the page16:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this link will help Category:Firebending images. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 15:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Add any more or change them. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 16:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Firebend.png now known as Image 6? Perhaps, only concern that it's too close to the fire, other than that, great image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

ok it is ready and thanks.[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 18:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I think more variety is needed. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 18:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not very fond of Comet enhanced Firebending, they show over powered Firebending, not the regular Firebending. And my regular, I think we should also bar blue fire, lightning, combustion and other special techniques. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

But Image 7 is still okay right? Jeong Jeong used more fire to make the Fire Wall in The Deserter than is used here. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 19:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

And of course no special techniques will be used. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 19:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

images 7,8,9 are not very good i doubt they will get a single vote. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 19:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Very well then I'll remove them. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 19:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

ok you do that [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 19:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

is seven enough? i think so [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 19:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Fire is the element of Power. So I'm gonna go for either 5 or 7. After seeing how the others vote of course. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 19:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

you should vore on what you think not what others think.[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 19:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Why was a vote set up without the motion being supported explicitly by two other users? "You're driving me crazy!" It's too late now though. Maybe we should replace all the bending images to the ones of Roku bending in the Opening Sequence. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 00:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

So far I would be for either three or six. Joey - Talk Contribs 00:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

NO. If two other users did not second this motion, this is INVALID. I'm removing the gallery now. Puragus Talk 00:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I personally don't like it, but I'll have to let the admins decide on this. They know best. Vaznock 01:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not the admins who make decisions like this. Admins are not holders of office and power. For votes, decisions etc. they are just like any other user. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 03:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not enforcing my will, I'm just enforcing the rules. Puragus Talk 04:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

If you want a formal statement then here it is: "I second the motion of changing the Firebending Profile Pic." And any user can second or third the motion. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

there you go zero agrees he even put in one of the pictures. omni will agree also he put in number 6 after i asked him. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 08:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

However, you cannot deny that you did break the rules. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey. I only put in the pic because the gallery was already there. The rules have nothing on putting images on already existing galleries, legal or otherwise. So... technically... I broke none of the rules. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 10:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

No, you're fine, I was talking about Luvingazula. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

as usal i get outnumbered .[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 16:09, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

i know the majority of this wiki would like to see the back of me so here is your chance.[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 16:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily, the moment I expressed an opinion and mentioned a picture, it kinda counts as me supporting the vote, if someone else expressed something similar then the vote is valid. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

zero did[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 21:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I really don't want to spark any more controversy, but I think I'll have to third the motion. Vaznock 21:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

there you go.[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 22:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

That's all that was necessary. I'll reinsert the gallery now. Puragus Talk 03:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Luvingazula, Puragus had a point, just because it is assumable that we will agree with you on the fact that the Firebending image may need to be replaced, doesn't allow you to evade the rules and process that a user must go through. Anyways now, time to vote... Joey - Talk Contribs 03:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, I'll open the voting by voting for image 3, and saying that the images of Roku bending should be on all bending pages for consistency. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
You know, I don't like number 6, because I think an image showing the full person and motion as well as what the element generally looks like on the screen is better. That's just my thoughts. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I added another image that i thought was good. I hope thats not against the rules or anything. Vaznock 17:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I liked 8, it's a simple movement, it's quite visible and it has a good quality. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I go with 888avatar for picture 3 Water Tribe emblem - Kai Talk 20:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't really like Image 3. It looks like the sun has arms. Vaznock 20:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I think 2 and 4 need to be replaced with better images. So far, I'm leaning towards 6 and 8. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puragus (talkcontribs) 21:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't like 3 cause the sun makes it harder to see the fire clearly. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Like Iroh said. Fire is the element of Power. So a powerful looking pic is required. Plus the bender should be clearly seen. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Having now seen a new image uploaded, I'll change my vote to that. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 07:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

888 i agree with you i will also change my vote to it. Thanks vaznock for uploading it. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 19:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome. Vaznock 20:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

when does the vote close? [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 21:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

There is no set date, it's usually defined when there are some votes already. Let's see, Wednesday seems good, it's enough for others to vote without dragging this much longer. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow, after viewing them all at 350px, I really have decided that I don't like any of them. All the colors look too funny in all of them, and unless we find a better one, I won't choose any of these. Try it, look at them at 350px. Joey - Talk Contribs 04:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

When I look at the images, I see the original file. I don't think their colors look funny, I think you might think they're over saturated in color. This is probably due to them being DVD images and in high quality png format. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I would just like to point out, I previewed the currently popular image, Image 8, at 350px on the article, and Zuko's face doesn't come out very clearly. In fact, besides the scar, you can hardly tell it's him. AlexTalk 15:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Considering the angle and focus of the image, I don't think Zuko is what is supposed to stand out in the image. The scar is there, you can notice it's him by the clothes too. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we should have image takebacks from time to time. In other words, are we really picking the best images possible from our image sites? Also, is there something Thailog can do with his software to help us out? Could he fix the ratio, resize, and optimize in order to make better quality of said images for all browsers? --Energybender 15:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, 8's blue background stands out in the red infobox, and the angle is really bad. 3 has it's sun with arms, or at least that is what it looks like. And the rest are well, bad. I really wouldn't be satisfied with any of these options, at least over the moderate old picture. Can we get more choices? Joey - Talk Contribs 00:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

At least it seems powerful.Besides the firebending is the Primary and the bender the Secondary concern. Of course we could always choose 5. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I dislike about 5 is that it has too much going on, you see Zuko, you see the swords, and there's something with the fire, it seems as if it's not being bended. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with omni on this one. I voted for image 8, but I think the angle is wrong.I don't think that it matters if it is a manor character. Could we add more images to the choice. is a good place to find screen shots.Frosty Earth 18:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

We use[[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 18:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Nonetheless, pic 8 is currently the most popular. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Umm. Just a thought, but hasn't Wednesday passed us by? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 10:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I think we'll change the pic soon. If anyone has a better picture (by that, I mean one that they seriously think is better), they should suggest it now. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 10:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Well whaddaya know? No one suggested. Now can we please close this already? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 08:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


-removed 8 image gallery-

Image 1

Image 2

Image 3

  1. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  2. Water Tribe emblem - Kai Talk 20:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. ~Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 21:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. --Energybender 21:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  5. AlexTalk 00:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Image 4

Image 5

Image 6

  1. Zuko-dobs-c7 - Zukofan - don't be shy, just ask me something 06:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  2. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 08:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. Avatarbob 21:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Image 7

Image 8

  1. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  2. Vaznock 20:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 07:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
  5. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 11:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. Puragus Talk 16:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
  7. Scorvi12 05:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  8. Frosty Earth 18:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  9. Zuko-dobs-c7 - Zukofan - don't be shy, just ask me something 19:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  10. Dcasawang1 01:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The voting procedure is over. Image 8 is the Firebending profile picture.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Profile image sizing

We need to decide on this. Are we going to have the main profile pic as 300px or 350px. They were orginally 350px, but since the template insertion, some have changed to 300px. What will it be? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I think 350px is better only for bending arts images. Dcasawang1 - Talk - Contributions 13:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I see no problem, bending and main locations have always had a bigger image, even when there was no template. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

And what does Flash think...? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 21:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


Would Combustion count as an alternate style? Vaznock 20:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Not really, it's not that different from regular firebending to constitute an entire stylem. If there was an entire chain of techniques and abilities rooted on that, then it'd be a style. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Vaznock 16:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Bringing this up because a recent episode recap mentioned it. It has been referred to as Combustion Bending in the show. Diamonddeath (wallcontribs) 03:58, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Avatar Fire Whips

Under "Long-range multiple firewhips" in the "Avatar level firebending" section, it says "Lastly, they have enough destructive power to demolish large rock formations." This never happened. It may seem this way from Ozai's point of view when Aang is assembling his element rings, but a more zoomed-out view from the side show that the whips are far from the rock pillars and the rocks are separating without them. The rocks were torn up just by earthbending- the sentence should be removed. Tophvision 19:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

No, there was one scene where it sorta did. Plus, Zuko Fire Whips were able to destroy rock, so Avatar level ones certainly would. Vaznock - Talk 19:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

No, the whips never touched the pillars. As for Zuko's whips, that should be noted under the Fire Whips section, with a note under "Long-range multiple firewhips" that they are more powerful version of fire whips. Tophvision 19:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is known that the whips can pulverize stone, so it should stay. Vaznock - Talk 20:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

"Only Avatars can use 5 Whips simultaneously" is a false statement, as Ozai used at first 3 from his hands and mouth and the second time from his hands and left leg, so he should be able to use 5 when not touching the ground with his feet. This should be checked.

He used three whips at the same time twice, that doesn't mean he can use five at the same time once. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:51, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it might not mean Ozai could use all 5 fire whips at once, and we cannot presume he can until new Avatar episodes (if any) prove otherwise. However, in the section Avatar Level Firebending, something should be added that Ozai was capable of performing Long-ranged firewhips as well. As noted above, Ozai used 3 firewhips, and those firewhips were on scale with the ones Aang used a minute or two before, and such should have a small note displaying that. Cooldra01 13:13, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


Why does the infobox have no backround color? Airbending, Waterbending, and Earthbending have colored backrounds. And the infoboxes' codes are the same too. Katara-dobs-c2 - Avatar Junky -Talk 20:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

TLane tried to add the Chinese characters for Firebending to the name field of the template, but since that's what gives the template its color, anything other than "Firebending" makes it go blank. I directed him to the template talk page, see if there's a way to add the characters without disrupting the template. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Here's the link: Template talk:Infobox bending art#Chinese Name. I've started the discusion and given an idea. I need feedback. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 08:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


Shouldn't the Firebending Icon be at the top of this page? Mattkenn3 Talk 05:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It's because the icon isn't a general one for firebending, it is really for people and organisations who are firebenders. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Avatar-level Fire Whips or Fire Balls

While I don't agree with calling them "miniature comets" or saying they acted "laser-guided", I think Airbent had a point posting it as a separate technique. Fireballs aren't the same thing as fire whips. I think the technique should be put back. Tophvision 19:06, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Zuko Combustion

Does what Zuko did in "Bitter Work", when he kept failing to create lightning, count as combustion?

Nope. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:20, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Opposite Bending?

People have said it is Waterbending (which makes sense in the traditional elemental structure), but comments from the creator's of the show say that Airbending is the opposite of Firebending. They go on to exomplain that Firebending requires active emotion while Airbending requires passive emotion and are therefore opposites -- thus it is the hardest element for Aang to master since he is an Airbender. 01:20, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricorum (talkcontribs) 22:11, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Missing ref

"no text was provided for refs named COD"

I don't know that COD was supposed to refer to. ? Thailog 00:05, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

"Crossroads of Destiny". Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 00:09, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
Ah! Thanks! ? Thailog 00:14, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome. It should be fixed now. COD was one of the names that was previously given to that episode before all the names got formatted - more or less. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 00:16, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Firebending barbarian?

So, during Tonraq's flashback to the barbarian invasion, there's a moment where we can see this barbarian with a fire. I believe that to be a torch, while DyingFlameTsui believes it to be firebending. I can see something consistent with a piece of a torch in the barbarians hand, and I believe that, if it had been indeed firebending, the animation would have made it much clearer to the audience, and it wouldn't make it possible to question if it is firebending or not. I decided to bring this to the talk page to avoid revert warring about it. I also believe the status quo should be maintained until a proper discussion can take place. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:49, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Some barbarians that attacked the North were firebenders. You can see it in this picture:

File:Barbarians attacking.png

1. Note the arms of the barbarian with the fire. If it is just a torch, he has to hold it, but then there no left arm.

2. The flame itself has not the typical shape of a torch, but of a jet flame, normal for fire created by firenders.

3. If you look closely, the "torch" itself has the shape of an arm - you can even see the hand (it has a slightly different color as the rest) and the color of the "torch" is the same of his clothing.

Conclusion: some barbarians were firebenders, but not all - most of them were apparently non-benders. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 23:53, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Making a line from the flame and the right hand, his left hand is directly in that line, like it would be if he was holding a torch with both hands, in different sections of the torch for a steadier hold, similar to how one would hold a baseball bat, but with hands further apart. Maybe the barbarian was about to swing the torch. The torch has the shape of an arm because due to the way it is being held, it gets directly in front of his forearm, over the steadier hold. Considering all the firebending we've seen so far, that fire looks remarkably bland, and therefore I find it infinitely more likely to be just a simpler torch. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:15, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Looking at that specific scene, I would say it is a torch. The shape looks far more like a man holding a torch that is on fire than a man that has formed a flame in his hand. HAMMEROFTHOR 00:21, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
Aaah, yes, I can see it now. Well, seems like I was wrong ;D DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 00:32, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Factual correction

The article says "It is unique among the bending arts, as it is the only one in which the performer can spontaneously generate the element." which is not true. Air benders can generate their element as well. Tarakesa (wallcontribs) 23:57, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

Airbenders do not create air, they manipulate the air that exists around them to create air blasts etc. The "tunnel" of air shown in that image is them bending the air around them and forcing it toward the mecha suit. HAMMEROFTHOR 00:04, January 1, 2015 (UTC)


Hey I have this image of Zuko's fire whips vs Katara's water whips (I think?) when they were fighting in the old city of Ba Sing Se (you know, the underground place with water and those crystals?). I wonder if I should put it on the Firebending and/or Waterbending page/s.

NTA65bz, wanna chat? 16:58, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Good initiative! I have looked through both the waterbending and firebending pages and In the waterbending page there is already a picture of someone that uses a more advanced form of the water whip, so it would be better to put the picture on the firebending page, but that page is on the other hand already crowded with pictures, so I am not sure if it would be such a good place for your picture either. However, I continued to look around and another possible place for your image might be in Zuko's history page (spring 100 ag) where it could possibly replace the picture that is currently used to portray Zuko's betrayal against Aang and Katara and if all else fails it might also find a place in one of Avatar wiki's image galleries. 
Nevertheless, I would like to add that my experience in editing that revolves around images is limited, so I would wait until a more experienced wiki member takes notice of this or alternatively take contact with one such user at their message walls, since that usually results in a faster response compared to the article talk pages. ELEMENTAL UNITY (wallcontribs) 21:57, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
The image galleries are category pages for grouping together images on the wiki that depict the same character, object etc. Any image when it is added to a page on the article will have the appropriate image categories added to it, and thus be found on the relevant category page(s). Note however that an image must still be in use somewhere on the wiki; we do not just add images to the galleries if they aren't being used somewhere on the wiki.
It is difficult to say without being able to see the image itself where and if it could be placed on article. In the case of replacing an existing image with a new one, this should only be done if the new image is better for the article (gives a better representation of an important part of the story, for example). Given this, an image depicting Zuko's betrayal of Aang and Katara is far more notable than an image depicting a fight, so I don't think that would be an improvement in this way. But as I said, without being able to see the image, it is difficult to say either way. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:20, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
Dang it I lost the picture D:< When I find it I'll message HammerOfThor (I guess?) NTA65bz, wanna chat? 14:41, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I didn't know that the pictures needed to be used somewhere else on the wiki for it to be placed in an image gallery.
Regarding the potential replacement of the image showing of Zuko's betrayal, I understand that if a picture is going to replace the one that is currently being used to represent some part of the story it should be able to better convey what happens in that part of the story. I also understand that it is hard to express something as betrayal with a picture, but I don't think that the current picture that is intended to display Zuko's betrayal does that very well, I mean we see Zuko looking somewhat angry surrounded by small amounts of Fire, so I thought that an image of him fighting with either Aang or Katara would do a good job at showing that they now are enemies again (since you don't fight your friends that often).ELEMENTAL UNITY (wallcontribs) 01:42, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
The current image suits the betrayal just fine in my opinion, especially since Zuko wasn't friends with either Aang or Katara. Additionally, the image about the battle also barely shows the actual characters, you don't see anything beyond large tendrils of water and fire. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:01, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
Well, if you can't clearly distinguish the characters, then I agree that the image isn't suited to replace the current betrayal image. Nevertheless, I still think that betrayal is something that requires multiple people, I mean there needs to be at least two people participating in a betrayal (unless you count the fact that you could betray yourself), one that betrays and one that gets betrayed. So that is the reason why I think that the picture depicting betrayal should include at least one more relevant character except Zuko. However, I don't have an image that can replace the current picture, so if there isn't a good picture that is already uploaded on the Avatar wiki then I can't really replace the picture. ELEMENTAL UNITY (wallcontribs) 00:56, November 3, 2015 (UTC) 

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