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Where did all the info on the Navy and Yu Yan archers go? Those are relevant. Omnibender 22:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and what's with these ranking divisions in the Fire Nation Army soldiers, ie "regular-elite-highly elite"? Those divisions have never been defined in the series. We don't know a whole lot about the exact structure of the army other than what we've seen. The information is almost fraudulent.Puragus 19:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it decided then? We're changing the info back? Omnibender 22:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, since no one manifested, the information has been changed back. Omnibender 01:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't find this article worthy of the Featured Status. Does any one else agree?Mattkenn3 23:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Not me. I think its perfect for the featured status. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I feel that it needs a better intro. It needs to be longer and well written. Mattkenn3 Talk 01:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

What happened to my puppet picture and paragraph? Tomatoworm 00:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

That section doesn't have enough text to support another image, if we add more, the page layout gets a bit wonky there. If there was more text, if would've been fine. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 09:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I have some concerns about the "Azula's Ship" section of this page. It features an image of a Fire Nation Royal Guard. If the section is about Azula's vessel, it should feature a picture of the ship, not the guard. The guard pic should be moved to another section, perhaps one dedicated to the Royal Guard unit. We should use a new image.Fire Eater 21:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Image

If you look on Wikipedia, country images are always the flag. I really hate all the country's images, as they don't really address the country. We need to change them to the flag, or the emblem, or the map picture. You can't all really disagree with this, really, right? --SuperFlash101 14:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The idea has its merits, but I'm yet to decide. The 888th Avatar - Talk 14:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. Now let it be. (Hey I made it rhyme. LOL) Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 17:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

We're not wikipedia, and unlike the real world, the nations have quite simple flags and emblems, they're not that good to be used. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps in the end, the flags of the respective nations are too dull and boring. The 888th Avatar - Talk 01:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Read the other suggestion. The map image. Is that to "dull and boring" for you. And, Zero, don't be rude. Back your comments, please. --The Flash!! - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 03:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

If someone can come up with a really nice graphic of the Fire Nation map... The 888th Avatar - Talk 03:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Big if, but possible nonetheless. And BTW SFlash, It was not rude. It was poetry (LOL). Just because I pointed out your rudeness, it doesn't give you the right to classify every single sentence I write as rude. I thought Puragus' Comments on your talk page might have set you straight but it seems they've only served to vindicate you. (Sigh) Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 12:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Putting the image of the palace doesn't really show the entire Fire Nation. Why don't we just put the countries image? --Zukofan123 00:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

That's what I've been saying. And, Zero, what are you talking about? I haven't been rude in forever. Sure, I get into debacles a lot, but I keep my cool. I was just pointing out you should of back up the comment. I'll try to find a good Map Image. --The Flash!! - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 01:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Find first. Talk Later. And sorry if you think I was rude most people are put off with my bluntness. But the reason I'm like that is that I like getting to the point and not beat about the bush. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that we have better flag/emblem images, it might be good to put in the emblem after all as the main image. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 05:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Two same pics on one page? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Besides, I thought we had decided to put Map images, if we found them. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Good point. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 07:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

- It's missing the map of Fire Nation, in the section's geography. Maxsaver 15:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, image uploaded and applied. Sorry it took forever, I couldn't find the image and had to wait until I downloaded paint to screencap it from Nick.com. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 03:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Impressive work, Flash! Zuko-dobs-c7 - Zukofan - don't be shy, just ask me something 03:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Zukofan. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 03:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I wish it didn't have those dots. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 03:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreement here. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 03:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not that important, is it? I mean, I see no reason why it's a turnoff. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 00:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I just wish I didn't have to see them. They ruin the pic. Try finding a better one. Untill then we can let this one stay. Provided you don't take too long. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 04:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I like the current image, I didn't think of the dots until I read about them here, if someone wants and can edit the image removing the dots while making the image look like it was made without the dots, by all means do it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

After uploading maps for the Air Nomads and Water Tribe, I'm beginning to think this is a bad idea. The Air Nomad and Water Tribe territories are so disparate and so small that they look terrible on maps. So I think using the emblem is better, even if it is duplicated. We can put the current map images in the geography sections, and put the new bending emblems used as icons in the nation emblem section. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

How about we go back to the old images. They were okay too you know. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I like the old ones, just simple pictures of the capitals. Joey - Talk Contribs 07:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking. Except for the Water Tribe Page which had a pic of the Northern Water Tribe Gate (It was good because the Northern Water Tribe had the Ocean and Moon Spirits who are the source of all waterbending) and the Air Nomads Page which had a pic of the Southern Air Temple (probably because it was where Aang was trained by Gyatso and was the First Air Temple to be shown in the series). But those still worked. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 08:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, going back the original images dones't sound like a bad idea. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

So... shall we? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Once Flash posts, yeah. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 07:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

He'll never accept. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps, but he's involved too so he has a right to demonstrate his opinion on this. If he doesn't, we'll just vote; no big deal. Joey - Talk Contribs 08:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey edit conflict...I was about to say that. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

He doesn't like his ideas being rejected. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 04:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

So... shall we revert the images or not? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 17:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Drop Flash a note about it. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't look forward to telling him. Can someone else do it? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 04:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and change the Water and Air. But Earth and Fire are fine. Seriously, why would a building in the country really be even considered as being an actually good image for the country itself? But that's it. Anyways, there, just change the Water and Air, to change the Fire and Earth would just be a poor move. OR someone can find a flag. That'd be good. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 05:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Consistancy, Consistancy. Remember? If we change one then we must change all. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'd change all four to the emblem images. They are recognised most by those four symbols. And it doesn't matter if they're repeated. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 05:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Not to you but they may to others. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Then simply cut the second one that's in the text, or replace that one with the bending emblem. No big deal. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 05:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Flags might work, but what image of the flag would we use, the whole flag or a flag that is shown waving? Zuko-dobs-c7 - Zukofan - don't be shy, just ask me something 05:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
We don't have to use the flag. Using the emblem by itself is enough, unless someone has an image of the flag that they can upload. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 05:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. We don't need that emblem in that section. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 14:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

So... replace the profile pics with emblems and remove the emblem pics from the section. Is that the final decision? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 14:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

If we had actual flag images, I'd be ok with using it, the best options for me would be either the current one or the previous images of the capitals. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I didn't particularly like the old images because it's true that they were not truly representative of their countries. The map solution would have been the best, but the problem with that was that it couldn't be done properly for all four nations. The next best solution is using flags, which we don't have at the moment. The best solution after that is using emblems, which is my reasoning. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 04:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 05:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Me too. At least untill we do get decent map images. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 06:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

So... Shall we? Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 04:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, well we seem to be in general agreement, so go ahead. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Last Call for Objections. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 08:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I still prefer the image of the capitals over the emblems since we don't have flag or good map images. But then again, that's just me. Joey - Talk Contribs 08:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Me too but I want this over with. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 09:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, perhaps we should get more input into this? Emblems are also repetitive with the Icon template at the top. What do others this? Joey - Talk Contribs 09:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Your reminder of the icon template is one more reason I think we should use the capital images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I too would prefer captal pics where possible. And where not possible, like the Air Nomads, we can use an important location's pic. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 13:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Will someone do it already? I can't because I do not remember the pic links. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 09:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Wait, we haven't actually reached consensus. I'm not particularly happy with the capital images for one, but I'm willing to let things go. But Flash and others haven't responded. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

If they dont respond favorably and/or soon. We'll have no choice but to put it to a vote. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Guess what? They didn't respond. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Voting starts now then, I suppose. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 09:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear what the majority wants. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 07:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Time to fix a deadline. How does Monday sound. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 04:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Voting

Lets make this formal.

Those for changing to a Capital image:

  1. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  2. Dcasawang1 - Talk - Contributions 21:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  3. Zero Sign - Zero - Talk 05:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
  4. Vaznock - Talk 20:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  5. Katara-dobs-c2 - Avatar Junky -Talk 03:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  6. Puragus Talk 05:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  7. Laura C - Talk - Contributions 21:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Those for keepting the image as it is:

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The maps will not be used as a profile image for any of the nation pages. A picture of the capital or an important location's Picture shall be used.
Please do not edit this discussion.

clothing

I dont want to sound like a perv, but should it be noted that the fire nation is the only one to have tank tops--Mutantkingmagneto 18:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Bowing

I think a picture displaying the described bow may be useful as the current text is a little confusing. Does anyone have a good picture?

Quote

Can I use Iroh's description of the Fire Nation from Bitter Work as the quote for this article?

Fire is the element of power. The people of the Fire Nation have desire and will and the energy and drive to achieve what they want. Weedefinition (Talk) 01:22, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

2.2 Expansion

I've noticed that this page is missing the "Apperance" section that details the physical traits and characteristics of it's people. Every other page that corresponds to a Nation has one, except for this one. Can we add the "Apperance" section back again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenEyedFireLord (wallcontribs) 20:03, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

You are free to add/write the section yourself if you believe its addition to the article is warranted. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:07, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

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