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Contents 1 Age 2 Dai Li 3 allies 4 Chinese translation 5 false info? 6 Allies 2 7 images 8 Quote 9 Intelligent 10 Personality Section 11 Broken Mirror and Azula 12 Movie 13 casting for azula 14 Re:Age 15 Young Azula 16 Images 17 Proof That She is 17

[edit] Age

I have changed Azula's age because {I'm sure you will agree} she looks older--Lightning Shenron 16:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

She does, but that hasn't been confirmed nor can it be assumed. I do agree however, Azula does look older. Vaznock 16:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I saw what you did it was fine in my book. Vaznock 16:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

undo it omni has already said not to do that nobody in avatar looks their ageLuvingazula - Talk 16:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks any way, Lightning Sher-something. Vaznock 16:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dai Li

If Azula is leader of the dai li, does that make her a member, then? Vaznock 19:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it. She is not an Earthbender--Lightning Shenron 19:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] allies

See Forum:Avatar-related Discussion

[edit] Chinese translation

Can someone provide me with a source for her Chinese name? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 11:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] false info?

there was something about her firebending out her ears! i saw it and well you know, thought that the hell. i removed it but if it is true re add it. Luvingazula - Talk 20:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

It's actually true. She did so in the final episode. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 21:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

well it must have been the wording on the page that made me think that. God her ears weird.Luvingazula - Talk 21:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Allies 2

Wouldn't The Royal Fire Academy for Girls count as an allie of Azula's? Vaznock 19:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Probably not. She's an enemy of the Fire Nation establishment now anyway, with Zuko as Fire Lord. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 23:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] images

i like the image of her orange firebending but it seems out of place. it should be in but it need to be moved sorted. Luvingazula - Talk 21:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. It helps show her progress over time, and works as a contrast in the rest of the section. Puragus ^Talk 23:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Ya, what Puragus said. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 23:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

no i meant it makes the text look funny Luvingazula - Talk 23:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

looks alot better now but it shouldn't take 8 edits. Luvingazula - Talk 14:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

That wasnt the only thing I edited. There were many different sections that needed editing. - Zero - Talk 15:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

we but when i do that many edits i get told off. Luvingazula - Talk 15:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Cause you tend to edit the same thing, Zero edited different sections, thought I still prefer to click the edit on the entire article at once if I think I'll edit more than one section. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

My system slows when I edit a whole article with too much data. Which is why I tend to use section edits. Much faster. - Zero - Talk 05:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Ye, my old computer would slow down for edits to the whole article. New one doesn't though. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 06:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Ye thats also why I need to make so many edits. Luvingazula - Talk 20:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh...you make multiple edits to the same section. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 02:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Quote

Is there any chance we could change the quote? Luvingazula - Talk 20:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I will try to find a few. Luvingazula - Talk 21:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Can't be bothered. Luvingazula - Talk 21:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh, as a rule don't change quotes unless it is clearly better than the one we have. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 23:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok I am back. I now a few but I will have to look for them. May take a while. Luvingazula - Talk 10:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligent

All that intelligence and We got two lines. Shame on you! Luvingazula - Talk 21:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Personality Section

I've been thinking, we should vary Azula's personality section. There are two episodes of her at the beach, and two insane ones. Instead, I think we should use 4 images for Azula's 4 main aspects to her personality.

First, we should replace the image of her destroying a child's sand castle of the first one to the right.

The second one of her soft side should stay.

The third one should be replaced with an image that shows Azula's temper, which is the second image shown on the right.

The fourth one shows an insane Azula, so it should say.

So technically what I'm saying is we should have an image for these four aspects of her personality, Calmness and Precision, Rarely seen Soft Side, Temper, Insanity, and I believe these images cover 1 and 3. Vaznock - Talk 22:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I added them. I will do anything to make this article better. File:Azula-dobs-c7.gif - Luvingazula - Talk 18:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi I'm new here and I know this sounds stupid but I think that deep inside she has a good heart and I think she desserves a second chance and that there is good inside her and her life is so sad her mother I could not bare to see the tears in her eyes I love azula--AvatarMaster 15:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC). File:Ep 61-729.png l thumb left l 250px

That's great, but please talk about these things on the forums, specifically on this one. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 15:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I did cheak it out please and thank you--AvatarMaster 20:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC).

[edit] Broken Mirror and Azula

The mirror image of a character usually portrays the self image of a character(how they see themselves), a broken mirror is the moment the character loses self-control, undergoes a drastic personality change or goes insane.

So even though the paranoid state of Azula was triggered by Mai and Ty Lee betraying her what really made her lose her control was infact the change in her self image (Azula's self image was the calculating cold monster- that's how she thought how her mother saw her self and probably the only weakness of Azula as we see at the episode The Beach ),

When Azula was stripped from everything once defined her character; her friends, brother, father, servants, mentors she was finally able to look at her true self,(her self image changed when her mother told her " she didn't fear her but loved her") much like when Zuko did and had a metamorphosis but Azula couldn't accept her new identity, unlike Zuko and became mentally unstable.

When you combine this with the fact that Azula got her character from her father who was clearly troubled, you get to see Azula from a whole different perspective, I thought this should be mentioned somewhere, but putting this in the article might not be a good idea since psychoanalysis is highly subjective.

Cheers, tell me what you think --Yaang 22:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think your a very perceptive character. Yes, this is a fascinating concept and trivia worthy (in my opinion). Vaznock - Talk 00:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Yaang I think their is good in azula but she was taught to be evil more then zuko so nobody knows if she will become a good guy--FireLordAzula 00:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC).

[edit] Movie

I think that Selena Gomez should play Princess Azula they look alike same hair color same skin color same eye color they fisicaly look alike all they need to do is make her hair longer and give her the same hair style the right make-up and the right clothing and she will pass as her twin sister--FireLordAzula 00:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC).

This page isn't a forum about Azula. It is to discuss improvements to the article. Post comments like this on Forum:Avatar-related Discussion or Forum:Film-related Discussion. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar ^{Talk} 03:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer Lucy Liu personally. --Lucifuge Rofacale 11:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't now and as for lucy liu she is 40 selena is 16 if anybody has any ideas let me now on film-related disscussion

[edit] casting for azula

I actually agree that Selena Gomez would be a good choice for Azula, but that is just going on looks. I'm not doubting Selena Gomez's acting, but this in a way would be a whole new level, Azula is a deep and complicated character that needs to be played well just as all the other characters.

However, since Dev Patel is going to be playing Zuko, I don't really think they look like brother and sister. I am disappointed in the casting for Zuko, Dev Patel is a great actor but not Zuko [in my mind] and this choice will certainly affect the choice for Azula.

~avatar fan :] wed july 1, 2009

No it won't and as for the acting she plays a charecter who acts kinda like Azula Alex Russo from Wizards of Waverly Place--KataraTophAzula 22:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I was wrong about Lucy Lieu. There's only one woman for the part of Azula (apart from Gray DeLisle obviously): Megan Fox. --Lucifuge Rofacale 14:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Age

In the video game burning earth she calls Zuko little brother two times one in boiling rock and second when Zuko and Katara are fighting Azula so she is 17 because she is called a kid and people that are called kids until they are 18 so she is 17--KataraTophAzula 01:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC).

Or she was just being condescending. Vaznock - Talk 01:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No if she was younger then she would have just said brother--KataraTophAzula 02:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay Vaznock you my friend so I'll stop saying that she is seventeen--KataraTophAzula 02:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Good, I didn't think it would end so nicely. Vaznock - Talk 02:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Look at the botom I am trying to get rid of the "Azula had sex with the Avatar in the last episode, but it was not aired on Nickelodeon." but you keep undoing my edits and leaving it there.Azulahumper 18:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I got rid of it.--Avatar ^Talk 18:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

If Azula was older she'd be heir instead of Zuko unless it's a sexiest goverment and you have 2 b a guy.24.62.101.105 17:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe Azula’s age would be 17, older than Zuko. Her first appearance was not at the end of season one. Technically her first appearance was in episode 12: The Storm, she is seen in Zuko's flashback during his agni kai and I would say did appear to be 14 something you probably wouldn’t notice watching the series once.

I apologize in advance, I'll be rude: we already know that, it's already been discussed, Nick.com listed her age in its Avatar website when she first appeared, she's 14, deal with it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Young Azula

I think that this image serves better to depict Azula's manipulative personality. The current one is just her sulking... ― Thailog 23:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I do like this one,but the current one is pretty good. It makes her seem "evil" from a young age.--Avatar ^Talk 23:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Both are fine in my opinion, but for the sake of reducing images, the one suggested is fine. The quality isn't even all that bad for an Avatarspirit.net image. Vaznock - Talk 23:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Sulking does not equate evilness. Most children pout; but not many display such deceptiveness and manipulation at that age. That's rotten character, which is mentioned on the text next to the image: "Azula used her acting and cunning to convince her mother to make Zuko play with them." ― Thailog 23:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

You know, I see what you mean there. I like the one you shown,too. And I see your point, it would show manipulation. So, in brief, this picture is fine with me.--Avatar ^Talk 23:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Go with the smileing younge Azula because it shows not to let her cute face fool you and you can't judge a book by it's cover--KataraTophAzula 22:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Who's the user that refined the image's descriptions? I must say, whoever it was did a great job and deserves a pat on the back. Vaznock - Talk 15:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I found the picture but I did not do the description when I put the image I put Azula as a little girl--KataraTophAzula 00:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thailog, see here.--Avatar ^Talk 00:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proof That She is 17

I have proof she is 17 it was from the official avatar comics and she called him little brother in the story Going Home Again I finally have proof what do you have to say about that because the only thing I ever prooved right was Nicola Peltz in Miley Cyrus's 7 thing music video and I have to be right about this I have proof--KataraTophAzula 16:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

This is not proof. It's your interpretation. ― Thailog 16:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what that mean but if it means that I did it myself then I did not I'm a bad artist it is real proof from the avatar comics--KataraTophAzula 16:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

(facepalm) He means that among the ways to understand little in that context, you chose to understand that she's older than him. Go to nick's Avatar site, select the first episode of season two, character section, Azula, first sentence in Azula's entry: "Daughter to Fire Lord Ozai, Azula is Zuko's 14-year-old younger sister." Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:09, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Why would Ozai focouse on his second born child and a girl government was sexist back then she could only have his attention if she was first born that cased her to be evil--KataraTophAzula 17:16, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Fire Nation has never been sexist, just because all heads of state have been male, it doesn't mean the Fire Nation is sexist, if they were, I highly doubt that women would be able to join the army, like Ming did. The only sexism in the power structure in the show is clearly the Northern Water Tribe. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

That's the only thing a women has a right for thats why Azula culd not inherit the throne--KataraTophAzula 17:26, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Then why did the Fire Sages didn't go "WTF?!?!" when Ozai ordered them to crown Azula? Why did they agree to do it? As long as the power remained in his family, in his bloodline, I don't really think he'd care if it was a female. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:29, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Because there was no other choice and highest that a non royal can be is in the army as a soilder aand sometimes Fire Lady but they don't have much power it's sexist and she is 17--KataraTophAzula 17:32, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

KTA, please understand that the facts outweigh your argument here. Just because one source says one thing, that does not mean the dozens of others are wrong. This is clearly just a flop in the comic's writing - Azula is younger than Zuko. The Flash ^{talk} 17:35, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Here. Read it, understand it, stop pushing. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

What about her head piece it changes when the princess comes of age and that would at 13 but in the flashback if she was 14 now back then she would be 11 and call me crazy but that is not an age for coming of age and the fire nation is sexist they even use the women as sexy figures and I must say Azula is the prettiest of all the women in the fire nation espesualy with her hair down--KataraTophAzula 17:48, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

There is no proof that head pieces change in the avatar world when you reach a certain age. It could just be her whim, and I don't think the Fire Nation is sexist. If they were, then Azula's coronation would never even happen. I think like others have said, as long as it's in the family they don't care.--Avatar ^Talk 18:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

They are and plus Ursa was in an arranged marriage with Ozai that is sexist make a women forced to be married to someone against her will and of all the fire nation female soilders they have worn outfits that look sexy they outfits look like Ty Lee's but armer the only thing missing is a short skirt and face it if it would help take over the world Ozai would make Azula look like a sexy figur and force her to marry against her will--KataraTophAzula 18:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to kindly ask you this once: please, drop this issue at once. You are making the most outrageous and ludicrous assumptions based on creative choices (headpieces and uniforms) and your personal preferences (your obvious liking of Azula). How in the world do you come to the conclusion that Ursa had an arranged marriage with Ozai? Azula calling Zuko "little brother" is merely a taunting epithet she uses, disguised as a loving nickname, only meant to belittle and mock him, just like "Zuzu." It can't be taken literally. You are twisting minutiae to draw conclusions in support of something you believe, despite proof to the contrary. Besides, Azula has addressed Zuko by "little brother" in at least one episode, and if that was not sufficient to support your claims, a comics strip surely won't make any difference. ― Thailog 19:26, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Three times her age has been discussed. Ugh. She should be around 14-15. Zuko is 16 when the story begin and a year passes ('a year ago I was hunting you down' - Zuko to Aang) so he should be about 17 by the end of the story. Azula, since she is younger than Zuko cannot be more than 16 when the story ends but it seems that she is a total of two years younger. She's cruel and calculating...but cruel and calculating doesn't have to be for an older character. I've watched the episodes multiple times and I cannot recall Azula saying that she is older than Zuko. From what I see, 14-15 are all the girls. http://www.nick.com/shows/avatar/characters/azula.html I think the best thing is to leave it as unknown like in the regular wiki for now and if we get a chance with talking to the authors again in SDCC or NYCC, we should ask. --Gatogirl12345 20:09, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I will back down but this wiki says Ursa and Ozai's marriage was arranged--KataraTophAzula 20:21, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

So should we put that she's 15--KataraTophAzula 20:26, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it says anywhere that Ursa and Ozai's marriage was arragned, and we don't know if azula is 15 (probably not). Though it seems unlikely the whole series' plot is less than 1 year, so most of the characters remained the same age through out the series.--Avatar ^Talk 21:30, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Aang does say in the last episode "I can't believe that a year ago I was still frozen in a block of ice". The plot basically happens in less than a year, with Book 1 starting in the winter and book 3 ending at the end of summer, which is when I think Roku said it would come in "The Winter Solstice". Tophvision 21:34, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah so is she 15 or not and it does say it was arranged in Fire Lady, and Ozai's Relationships in the Ursa section so there--KataraTophAzula 21:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

"So there" just wins you the argument. This wiki is made by fans — fans are people, and people make mistakes. The only official source I can find in which this topic is addressed, is in this Q&A with Michael DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko. DiMartino says "I imagine they are arranged, but we have not talked about it. We have talked in general about the Fire Nation and that arranged marriages would be more common, especially in the royalty." This is hardly canon, seeing as it leaves open possibilities. Ozai and Ursa's marriage could have been arranged, or they might have not. Also, Azula could have just turned 14 just before the end of Book 1, which means that by the time Aang made that comment ("[...] a year ago I was still frozen in a block of ice") Azula could still be 14, about to turn 15. The only official word we have about Azula's age is from the Official Avatar Site, which states that she is 14, and thus it shall remain until further notice. Any other alternative would be conjecture, and we deal with facts. ― Thailog 22:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

So what do you think they were in love Ozai dosn't love anyone he even used his own daughter and he didn't even like her and he scared his son there is no love in his heart--KataraTophAzula 23:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Flashbacks Zuko had from Ember Island imply that Ozai may have been a loving father at some point, and since nothing is known about Ozai's childhood, it's very possible that the reason Ozai is so ruthless is because he himself suffered that, Azulon clearly favored Iroh. The big flaw in most, if not all your arguments is that you state biased opinions and speculative possibilities as facts that are beyond any doubt. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

So what look at these facts the chances of Azula to turn good is 7-10 and the chances of Ozai turning good is one in a million--KataraTophAzula 01:07, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Pay more attention, I'm not saying Ozai will or can turn good, I'm saying that Ozai, in the past, might have been less evil, to the point of being a loving parent. Big difference. Quit trying making excuses. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:14, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

He trained his daughter to try to be evil all her life and he turned Azula from a sweet little girl to a monster there are millions of people that want Azula to be good I did my research and I feel like a big nerd for doing so but I found out there are 80% of the world of avatar fans that want Azula to turn good but I guss I can't do anything about it--KataraTophAzula 01:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Personally I think turning Azula good would ruin her as a quality character. She never even was a sweet little girl- just watch Zuko Alone. If she does turn good, it can't be some miracle turnaround, she needs to have problems with it at every turn. Tophvision 02:14, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well that was when she was 9 we don't know what she was earier nobody is born evil except Suki and I didn't say 100% of the world wanted to your just one of those 20% people who don't want her to and here's how it goes Zuko in season 1 nobody wanted him good 0% then seasons 2 and 3 80% and Azula season 2 0% then season 3 80% and I fave seen several stories on the internet that involves Azula turning good and she can still keep her grouchy aditude just like Zuko and I'm determined even if I have to become a producer and make a fourth movie and she can still be coniving and remember when her and Ursa were talking after she cut off her bangs she was a Zuko and Ursa was Iroh what she was looking for love all her life she gets love from her mother when she said "I love you Azula I do" and she ends up bad no that is not how it's suppose to go down--KataraTophAzula 02:43, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion. I will say, though, I actually believe everyone is born with a sinful nature- have you ever known a toddler who never threw a tantrum over something selfish, or never tried taking toys from other kids? But that's not the topic here. Tophvision 02:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Why can't you people use you imagination and imagine that she could turn good and she could have a second chance like Zuko not to be rude put yourself in her place you father is useing you and he didn't even like you and you didn't even know it and you thought you mother hated you but she loves you and your mother disappeard--KataraTophAzula 03:48, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

"He trained his daughter to try to be evil all her life and he turned Azula from a sweet little girl to a monster"
"nobody is born evil except Suki"

What show have you been watching? I must have missed a lot of episodes.

This discussion has gone from nonsensical, to off-topic and to flat out ridiculous. She is 14, and the probabilities of her becoming good are just the same as those of your becoming a film producer. Discussion over. ― Thailog 08:59, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I can think Suki is evil if I want to and she's just 14 when she a confused teenager--KataraTophAzula 13:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

How you reached the conclusion that Suki is evil from her actions, all of which point to the contrary, is beyond common sense. You are free to think whatever you want, misguided as it may be, but you need to keep those thoughts to yourself. This is not the Fa-la-la land. We deal with facts here. Made up stuff belongs in Fanon. Also, this page is not a forum, and since this discussion is about Azula being 17, a claim that has been overwhelmingly refuted, this argument needs to end now. I've asked nicely once, and yet you insist in keeping this off-topic blether. If you pursue, you may incur in a block. So think carefully what you do want to do next. ― Thailog 14:35, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

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