Hi there, I'm sorry for the inconvenience for deleting the Earth Empire page you created, though the community decided to hold off on the creation of such a page until the conclusion of the series to see what is the fate of the empire. If it remains to be a nation, a page will be created. If it reverts to be the Earth Kingdom, a section on the Earth Kingdom page suffices.
Thank you for your response, but can I ask why this decision? Its like nations that have been destroyed don't deserve a wiki page. The Empire has a unique culture and political system. So once it reverts to EK, we have to add culture and political systems on the EK page saying it is an Autocracy some some time?
The Earth Empire is not an official nation as of yet. It's not recognized by anyone but Kuvira and her supporters. She's a conqueror comparable with Chin the Great's campaign. So unless her nation actually gets some official recognition, there is no need to give it a separate page.
So what? "It isn't reconized by anyone but Kuvira and her supporters=over 50 percent of the planet. ISIS is not a reconized state and still gets a wiki page because it has actual territory, culture and its own system of governemnt.
The wiki contridicts the show. "King" Wu is still known as Prince Wu in the show because Earth Kingdom is pretty much gone, he holds no territory or power.
We're not Wikipedia and your "statistic" is completely without base. The wiki does not contradict the show since Wu has been crowned king and it's not because someone usurped his country that he suddenly lost his royal title.
How is the Earth Kingdom not gone? Kuvira is not usurper claiming to be monarch. Kuvira deposed Wu and the entire kingdom. Wu hold zero territory and his culture and nation is gone.
Its not like Kuvira is claiming the throne similar to a usurper similar how illegitimate kings. But she got rid of the nation in general. The Western Roman Empire for example was deposed by Odacoaer. He had a choice to be called Emperor, as a usurper, but decided to depose the entire Empire in general and a new Kingdom was created. The Empire was gone, the emperor was no longer emperor. Can it be restored? Yes. But until them, the nation doesn't exist.
And Kuvira's actions are not recognized by anyone to be legit. As such, we're waiting to see what happens to the declared Earth Empire after the series ends. As said, if it all just reverts to being the Earth Kingdom, then a section on the EK history page is sufficient. If something else happens, a separate page will be created.
It's not because she didn't claim herself to be the next Earth Queen that she didn't usurp power. She just chose a different title for herself. So no, the page will not be restored per the previous forum consensus. You asked for an explanation why the consensus came to be and I've given that. There is no point it holding a reasoning why you believe the page should be restored, because it's not going to be able to overrule a forum consensus. A more permanent decision will be made December 19.
How are we so sure it isn't reconized? The National council made no claim saying that Kuvira is illegitamate. And why does it need to be reconized by an international council and legal? Hell Unalaq isn't even legally a chief. What strikes me the most on this Wiki is even Azula is a ruler of the EK while Kuvira is no longer a ruler.
The Earth Empire needs to me more than a simple history in the EK page. The government, capital and ruler needs to have show it was once under Kuvira.
Different tile? Yeah and completley reforming the government, destoring the emblem, completley shaming the history.
The legality of the EE has everything to do with everything as I've explained above with the need for either a separate page or section under the history section of the EK.
That said, you are comparing apples and oranges for the rest as well as using some factually incorrect examples. Unalaq was legally chief. It's not because he schemed to get his brother banished that the actual banishment by the ruling chief was illegal and that his appointment as the next chief held no merit. Azula was officially recognized as the Earth Queen in the Avatar Extras as well as its ruler. Kuvira is also recognized as the usurper of the Earth Kingdom, King Wu is just still listed as the official ruler since that's just the truth.
I'm sorry that you feel like it needs more, but this is a community, meaning that it decides as a collective what happens and what does not. In this case, the collective seems to have decided against what you like to see happening. As said, we're just waiting till the conclusion of the series to decide then with all the information available what we're going to do. Till then, all the relevant information is being kept on the Military of the EE page.
Azula reconized by who? The Fire Nation and the Fire Nation only. The Avatar extras mean nothing when talking about "legality"
Yeah, Wu is the ruler. He has zero power or authority over his nation. He is not the ruler. Just like how Kuei was not the ruler for a while until the war was over and he was on the throne and commanding armies and holding territory, Sozin's illegal war is no matter.
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Azula was officially recognized as the Earth Queen in the Avatar Extras
Avatar Extras are recognized as an official source, whether we like it or not. There's no point debating that.
Power has nothing to do with legitimacy and being official. Kuei always remained to legitimate and official ruler of the Earth Kingdom, even though he was exiled.
I don't know what it is that you're still trying to accomplish here. This is an irrelevant discussion that serves nothing but waste both our times. This conversation, no matter the outcome, cannot overrule a forum consensus that decided to await the conclusion of the series before making a definite choice on what to do with a possible Earth Empire page. You asked for clarification, you got clarification. You may like it, you may hate, but it is what it is. Further discussing this serves no point.
Hi there. Please note that all images uploaded to the wiki should be used or intended to be used on a canon or fanon article. Any images that are not being used will end up being deleted. Can I therefore ask that you only upload images that you intend to use on an article?
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