Acer, just a note: there is no need to make every fanart fanon image to a png file. The png format is preferred for canon, not necessarily fanon. The png format is only required for when the images are screenshots of the show. When it are self-made images, jpg-files are okay, so no need to go around changing them all.
It's true that .png version isn't forced to be there in the first place; it's a preferred version for canon. Though, I just can't work in the Fanon Portal when some images, to be honest are in low-quality one. Yeah, writing is the main issue in the Fanon Portal, but in here, we are human who usually judge something by the cover first, then the inner side. I agree that we must judge something all-around, outside and inside, but when I saw a very great fanon, it could be the legendary one, but the images are in the lowest quality, it is just. . . Yeah, for me it doesn't stand as "our Fanon Portal is the best". ^^" Just want to make this wiki better, but maybe I shouldn't do all .jpg conversion to .png as sometimes .jpg version is fine. Thanks, though, for noticing that. :)
Well, here is the beauty of that: the png file and the jpg files are not on your fanon, and as such, you don't have to work with that. Besides, the big difference between the two extension shows when the images are enlarged or shrunk, not when they're uploaded on one page in one size everywhere, where no one can see the difference between the png and the jpg file. A jpg file is not by definition low quality. Look at SHiE's main image. That was a very high-quality image and it was jpg. There was no reason what so every for you to change it, so your premise for doing this for the sake of the fanon portal is a faulty one to begin with.
"sometimes .jpg version is fine." When talking fanon portal and not Avatar screenshots, jpg is always fine.
Well, you're correct, absolutely correct by saying that there is no any big differences between .jpg and .png if they are in the same size. However, as you know that the main page image are not solely used as infobox image; sometimes it's used for userbox and slider, etc. And is it just me or there are some JPEG artifacts (pixelated) in SHiE's .jpg version? If you can't see it, it's below the Earth Kingdom logo if shown on the wiki. Need more reference? Use The Hunter's Gem .jpg version as example. Thank you. ^^
Yes, sometimes, not always, so no need for you to go around changing them all the pngs. Besides, solely being in png extension will not help an image in the wrong size to show up nicely in a slider, you know that. So in general, there is really no point to your endeavor.
And no offense, but yes, that is/was just you, cause do you really think that Minnichi, a girl who loves art like no one else on his wiki, would ever stand to have a low quality image on her fanon when there was a way to have a better one? No, I think not, ergo, there was nothing wrong with the image. You have often before had issues with distinguishing low quality wrong higher quality images on your computer screen. We have had many talks about that already. Need more reference? Check your older message wall posts.
I won't :P Maybe it looks like I'll do that for every single .jpg images, but no, just for the images that are pixelated nor cracked. So let's wrap this up: I'm not doing this for all the .png images. ^^"
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Lady Lostris wrote:
[...] there was nothing wrong with the image. [...]
Quoting this clause: there was nothing wrong with the image. Actually, there was. It's not a big mistake or a big issue, it just seems unnecessary while SHiE is a very well fanon with a pixelated main image. It's not only my PC screen, as I have 3 screens in my home and every single screen show the same: There are some pixelated spots that as I know as picture manager; it's because the image is in .jpg extension. No offense, but in Photoshop, it's clearly seen that .jpg is not as best as .png, and I won't believe that Photoshop distinguish that the image is Avatar screenshots or not. ^^"
The image was not pixilated -_- And "no offense", but it's not because you have photoshop that everything you do with image is instantly magical -as evidenced numerous times before. I don't really care what you believe, all I care for are the facts and it has been shown before that you have made wrong decisions about whether or not an image looked well, only for it then to turn out that the issue must've been either your computer screen or your own judgment.
It was, for me; and if it's pixelated for me, it's not a small chance to be pixelated too to others' screens, ya? ^^" It's okay, I don't feel offended :P I'm saying that not because you don't have Photoshop, but it's about image resource - Photoshop, and I believe PNGGauntlet too; they're great resources for images. Correct me if I wrong, but I think for some case .png is better instead of .jpg, everything have + and - ; and I'll do the better one for the Fanon Portal. Sorry, maybe I miss something.. ^^"
Png is better in some cases, yes. Does that mean that jpg cannot stand on the fanon portal. Not at all, as it was doing just fine. And so far, you are the only one with the pixelated issues. It's not because someone has a computer problem that everything should change because of that. In the end, the fact still stands that the changing project you started is unnecessary, cause there is nothing wrong with the images you've changed so far. Cause just altering the file extension from jpg to png doesn't magically take every quality issue the image might've had away. A crappy jpg image converted to a png file will then just be a crappy png file.
It's not only my PC screen, as I have 3 screens in my home and every single screen show the same: There are some pixelated spots that as I know as picture manager; it's because the image is in .jpg extension. No offense, but in Photoshop, it's clearly seen that .jpg is not as best as .png, and I won't believe that Photoshop distinguish that the image is Avatar screenshots or not. ^^"
I'm here to clear up some misinformation. Acer, you have touted that .PNG is by far a better quality than .JPEG, but that is not universally correct. We use .PNGs for wiki canon pictures and the like as it is a loseless form of compression - which means that any editing done on the image will not reduce further quality. JPEG is lossy, which makes it unsuitable for highly edited images, but it has a smaller file size and is able to achieve far better in the size to quality ratio - which is, incidentally, exactly why digital photographs and high quality images are usually encoded in JPEG. Please do your research before making such assumptions.
And also, why are you suddenly going out of your way to change perfectly usable JPEGs to PNGs when there will be no difference on the transition? Since when did we suddenly care about fixing every tiniest pixelation (and I can't see it, mind you) on fanon images?
Yes, .jpg can stands in the Fanon Portal and yes, maybe I'm the only one with the pixelated issue. It's because we are the only one who argue about this; and please don't ask the others. ^^" I'm not afraid, nor too sure about my opinion but it's about once again, the quality. I'm not offense you, but when I convert the .jpg to .png, I also restore / enhance the quality. Do I need to explain the steps? Here we go: First, I copied the image and pasted in Photoshop, then I correct some color issue if there is any - one thing corrected. Next, I reduce the noise; the pixelated, nor textured spots using "Reduce Noise" command. Then, if the image's color is reduced, I'll fix the color again - two things corrected. Next, I resize to the proper size. If it's blurry, I'll sharpen the image and using High Pass, I outlined some spots - three things corrected. Final touch - I optimize the size file, preview it and compare the first version and my own revision; if it has no any "better" impact, I'll cancel my revision. But if so, I'll do that. It's not about the software, it's about increase the quality. ^^" So, crappy .jpg image converted to a better .png image.
KMP : Thanks for the explanation, KMP :D Yes .jpg file is lossy and has lower file size, but when it comes to the quality of non-potograph (in this case, let's use SHiE's main image) image, you can see some spots are pixelated when it's resized to 300px, as example. I opened the image in the original size, and it's far better than the used in the wiki, because some spots are shown when it's resized, once again.
Why do I do that? First, no offense, but not every Avatar Wiki Fanon users upload the best version; I know when it comes to the lowest one, admins will do the fixes. But what I did to the .jpg conversion is for increasing the quality. If I miss something, I'll learn from that, though :)
PS: I'm sorry Thailog, for noticing you once four minutes, I don't mean to do this on your wall xD
AcerEvan wrote:
and please don't ask the others. ^^" I'm not afraid, nor too sure about my opinion but it's about once again, the quality.
Why not? Because then you can't uphold your argument anymore?
Wauw, thank you for explaining to me how one cleans up an image. I didn't know that at all, cause obviously, I know nothing about working with images. I have no idea why wikia keeps listing that it is my account who did something to nearly all the image uploads of the past months. Isn't that weird?
Okay fine, you may ask the others. I still can uphold my argument, don't underestimate me, ~kidding. Sure, ask the others. If none of Avatar Wiki users saw the spot, then I'll apologize for converting those images. ^^"
You know everything, but I just telling you what I know about images, M'Lady. Every users here are human, not only the users, and moreover, you are the administrators who take care of the whole wiki; so that's not weird to see your name mentioned in every way in the image correction. As sidenote, outside this topic; you, along with the administrators are obviously know more about everything, I just a user who still try to do, when you know what to do--that's why our wiki receive 99.0 score at WAM.
In case you missed KMP's message: he's "others" (not that I had asked him, but still, his message was very valuable and you should read over it).
Oh no, I definitely don't know everything, and gauging the rest of your reply, you completely missed the point of my message. So to clarify that: that would've been sarcasm, pointing out that I knew what you were saying about images and how it can be done. However, that does not in any sense mean the same as saying "I know everything", cause that is just not true.
Yeah, I heard that; and in Fanon Portal, further revisions may be added, and Fanon Portal is actually similar with canon-verse in some case; .jpg version images can't be edited well if they're going to be revised by other Fanon editor, as example, myself. The worse issue: if the author has no any original file and s/he want to revise the image, so it's clear to expect a crappy revised image. As KMP stated, .jpg is fine but lossy, which makes it unsuitable for highly edited images.
You don't need to explain to me how the fanon portal works, I literally wrote the policies about it and I "quite regularly" edit around there.
Besides, you're starting from the very hypothetical premise that 1. the author wouldn't have the original file (which is btw the entire point of licensing, to know where an image came from; if they would've drawn the image themselves, then chances are pretty good that they still have a copy somewhere), and 2. that the author uploads a crappy image to use on their own fanon. That's just not smart either way. You still have no basis to back up your so called need to change the jpgs to pngs. So please, stop pointing out things that we all already know, cause it comes over like you are trying to school us about the matter.
Well, that's a pretty good twist on my words if I've ever heard one. You know as well as I do that images in the fanon portal are barely ever touched again compared to canon - which is why PNG is preferred in canon. Secondly, your parallel is irrelevant, since you changing the files to PNG only matters for future editing on said file - which won't be happening - and not for artifacts already present in the picture (which there were none). And thirdly... Did you even bother to check if any of the active authors have their original copies or not, before thinking to go on this spree? Cos, ya know, that's an infallible way to get the best quality out a picture without image editing hassles?
Wauw, that's a very great contribution; you are the admins ;-)
It could be; users here are varied, there are some users who can upload image wisely, some users don't. I'm not schooling you, but the truth is people can learn not solely in school. I learn how to argue, I learn a lot from you about this wiki, and I now I learn that sometimes housekeeping is unnecessary if the contributor is not admins. No, no, I'm saying admins rule. I want to tell myself that admins are know what to do, while sometimes non-admins don't. Okay, thanks for pointing this out, I learn a lot M'Lady. :D
KMP: Yes it is. But I as Fanon editor, just want to cleaning the Fanon Portal; it's about consistency, sort of. ^^ Just imagine that you are one of those fanon editors and the images there aren't well-organized. To sum up; I learn a lot from Lostris, and I believe she has no as many time to keep both Fanon Portal and main articles cleaned up. Because what I see is every users here attempting to keep the Avatar images as the best in the first place, but none of these users even try to clean the Fanon Portal images. The truth Fanon Portal is not as organized as Avatar canon site. Yes, because Fanon Portal is a group of authors, who can present their creativity well, but for me, organizing still needed in Fanon Portal. That's all what I know, and I'm a human, I made mistakes - maybe converting is also counted. ^^"
I did that before I was an administrator, so my position has nothing to do with that, so no need to put us on a golden pedestal.
AcerEvan wrote:
I now I learn that sometimes housekeeping is unnecessary if the contributor is not admins.
I don't even know what that means . . . housekeeping is always necessary and can be done by everyone. What you were doing, however, was not housekeeping, that were just several unnecessary changes. As such, there is an obvious difference, and if you have "learned" from this what you said you did, then I think you learned the wrong thing, sorry.
AcerEvan wrote:
No, no, I'm saying admins rule. I want to tell myself that admins are know what to do, while sometimes non-admins don't.
Administrators are not some kind of super being and none of use likes to be revered like you imply by your statement. We make mistakes just like every other user.
AcerEvan wrote:
But I as Fanon editor, just want to cleaning the Fanon Portal; it's about consistency, sort of. ^^
In order for there to be consistency, there first needs to be some sort of agreement so you can work towards said agreed consistency. As it stands, there is no such agreement and as such, authors are allowed to upload whatever they want for an image (as long as it is appropriate of course). The fact that some images are resized has more to do with the fact that there simply is no need for images to be so large then real consistency.
AcerEvan wrote:
Just imagine that you are one of those fanon editors and the images there aren't well-organized.
I am such a fanon editor and I also occupy myself with the images. I do not see the problem you are pulling out of thin air here. Besides, one does not have to be a fanon portal user and fervent editor to know what is right about images and what is not. Besides, KMP has edited a lot of the fanon portal as well. It would be nice not to make distinctions between fanon and canon users like they are two distinct species of users.
AcerEvan wrote:
To sum up; I learn a lot from Lostris, and I believe she has no as many time to keep both Fanon Portal and main articles cleaned up.
Wrong believe. I do appreciate all the help I can get, though then it truly needs to be help and not an irrelevant changing project.
AcerEvan wrote:
Because what I see is every users here attempting to keep the Avatar images as the best in the first place, but none of these users even try to clean the Fanon Portal images.
So I am not a user then? Again, don't make unfounded and wrong claims about division between what we do and do not do. I do not distinguish between my canon and fanon portal edits, especially not when it comes to images.
"and now I learn that sometimes housekeeping is unnecessary if the contributor is not admins."
"I'm not saying admins rule"
Sorry, I don't count on you because you're sometimes more than a solely user. What I want to say is not every user is good at arguing and editing as good as you, but technically, you are user.
Hey, it's correct you don't distinguish between your canon and fanon portal edits. But one question: Why do you optimize the file size in canon-site, while it's rarely to be seen in the Fanon Portal? When optimizing equals to the best attempt for the wiki, then: first, because optimizing is easily can be done via .png extension, and if Fanon Portal images aren't in .png, that equals with it couldn't be optimized = not the best. I don't know but it seems Fanon Portal is largely inconsistent; but in good way.
AcerEvan wrote:
"and now I learn that sometimes housekeeping is unnecessary if the contributor is not admins."
That still doesn't make sense. Housekeeping is always necessary and can be done by anyone, it just needs to have a point.
AcerEvan wrote:
Sorry, I don't count on you because you're sometimes more than a solely user. What I want to say is not every user is good at arguing and editing as good as you, but technically, you are user.
So I'm only technically a user . . . what does that even mean? So everyone who edits more than regular is not really a user but something else even though technically they still are? What?
AcerEvan wrote:
But one question: Why do you optimize the file size in canon-site, while it's rarely to be seen in the Fanon Portal?
I invite you to take a look at the recent image uploads of the last month. I did not make a distinction between fanon and canon images. The only ones I let slide were those of AvatarMJC and that was because when I resized them and optimized, I came up with a bigger size than the original file, thus making my possible edit unnecessary.
AcerEvan wrote:
When optimizing equals to the best attempt for the wiki, then: first, because optimizing is easily can be done via .png extension, and if Fanon Portal images aren't in .png, that equals with it couldn't be optimized = not the best.
That is just plain wrong. "Optimizing" means simply that you are reducing the size of the image file without altering the image itself. A jpg file can't be optimized like that for the simple reason that it already is in the smallest size possible, but that does in no way mean that it isn't the best or more than adequate enough.
I mean renaming is for the already uploaded files -- can you use your bot to rename every articles / blog posts that use the old .jpg version? (only for the converted images, ofc)
I'm trying to hotlink an image, but I can't get it to work in the sliderbox. Do you have any suggestions or codes that could fix that? It would be really appreciated, thanks!
Just a question. Can I somehow put a template of my own when I edit pages(just for me)? I noticed there is something called "used templates", I was wondering about it.
The group was deleted because its every member but one went inactive, and per new policy, "Established usergroups in which all members are inactive or the number of active users no longer constitute a "group" - such as one active user - after a period of one month, will be subject to deletion." You can make it again, but it's subject to the same rules: "After a period of two weeks, new user groups will be checked by an administrator. If the group does not have more than one member, or if the group is clearly for social purposes, it will be deleted."
Could you please ask you trusted right hand to run interference to carry out this forum decision? Basically, it comes down to changing all instances (including the image categories) of "Winter Solstice Part 1: The Spirit World" and "Winter Solstice Part 2: Avatar Roku" to being "Winter Solstice, Part [bla]". Thank you :-)
Yeah, I edited the message to include the image thing, and then I changed it manually ... and then I realized how pointless the initial edit was ^^". Yey for female logic :-p But thanks.
Lol, it doesn't really matter or anything, but I was just curious as to why you changed my blog title? I only said ALL IS NOT LOST because we haven't got anything really on Book 2, and people were feeling like it would never come out, so... yeah... blog titles... really. : D