Hey Suzon, we at the WLS are very much looking forward to working with you in the future, but after seeing some of the comments you made in another thread, I'd like to make something more clear.
What makes the WLS so successful is our ability to work together. While, if indeed we began the process of searching for another Deputy Editor, you'd be a top contender, I want be absolutely sure that we would not run into the same problems and tensions we had previously.
You were not unfairly ousted. Ever. If you plan on joining us as a staff member, it would be wise to at least acknowledge that fact. The truth is that, while ranting against all of us, you proclaimed to have "quit" several times. I think said "I guess I'm the sole editor now," which led you to accuse me of "power-grabbing," despite the fact that I was simply stating an apparent truth. Furthermore, you had no justification in fighting to have me or anyone else removed, especially since you had already resigned.
Now that you have returned to the wiki, I really hope we can put all of that past us, once you admit what really happened, and let it become water under the bridge.
Okay, I never said I was ousted to begin with, I said "resigned". Secondly, I'm not going to say anything of the sort, what I hold true is my own opinion. This is past us, and this is water under the bridge, your choosing to bring it back up until I admit your opinion is held truer than mine
The reason why this is coming up at all, Suzon, is because it pertains to the functioning of the WLS and how well the staff members can work together. OR just wants to make sure the past is truly behind us if we hope to work together again in the future. If you feel that he tends to force you to admit any opinion, that doesn't set a good precedent for the WLS staff. As we said once upon an IRC discussion, it's just as important to have a team with minimal chances of conflict as one who produces good articles, for the sake of a functioning newsletter. However you feel about us, please be honest. And honesty isn't worth anything if it can't even be expressed in public, I say! :)
I'll just head to the IRC, maybe that'd be easier...
When I say that something is "past" us, I don't mean "peacefully tolerating" a decision that was once made. What made you disagree over it is still the same, and thus it becomes a negative feeling towards either me or OR. I mean that the WLS staff is not free of conflict-risk until we all can agree on one thing, whether it's in our favor or yours. We should at least work it out to that point. Any negative feelings among the staff towards any matter, no matter who's wrong, is not going to do well for the newsletter.
You really want to know we voted? Very well, I will tell you. We voted to make you feel good, essentially. After you quit a hundred times you whined and complained and said it wasn't fair so we agreed to vote on whether or not to let you take back your rants and your multiple resignations. In the midst of our voting, you called Minnichi the c-word and that pretty much did it.
Hey Suzon! Any reason you're moving all the Vortex chapters to your userspace, by any chance? Couldn't help noticing o_o
edit: Also, I really think it would be a better idea to have the subscribers section displayed on the Main Page and not in a tab. Always good to make it an easy reference for readers, if you ask me! :P
Ah I see. Do you think we could try making a chapterbox, on another note? So far I feel like that seems to work best to avoid page-hopping when it comes to fanons, since they're displayed on every chapter. Aside from that though, think you could give us all a heads up when you decide on these things? To avoid confusion and whatnot :P
For subscribers, I'd suggest having something they can press "edit" for right off the front page. It's fastest that way imo, not to mention the list can serve as a reputation-booster later ;)
Is there something OR needs to talk to me about for the WLS? o_o
I asked OR if I could replace Matey as Dep Editor, because he is pretty much inactive, OR said that he'd talk to you and ARG, and that I had his vote. He also said he'd make a note of my behavior change. :D
Sorry if I sound a little pushy about all these ideas ^^" Chapterbox is one thing - but it's just that we're in a community fanon and all, so I think everyone should know what changes in their Main Page, ya know? :)
And oh, I wasn't aware of that. I'll message him about it and see if I can catch him on the IRC. Thanks for letting me know!
Heheh alrighty, then! Let go of that laziness and put on the mailman hat! (Or you could even have one of my Dai Li hats, only it'd have a messenger hawk icon on it xD)
I'm trying to work on my chapter whenever I can, though I'm being held up largely by the late WLS issue and the BSST issue that's technically supposed to be published tomorrow @_@ I'm hoping to be able to have it out within a week, though :)
TechFilmer: I'm a shoe in, as a former, Deputy Editor, Editor, and someone who writes high quality articles, came up with the name, and helped the newsletter start up, I believe I will get it, over you, no offense, I'm also much more active. But, race on!
No, OR and I decided it would be pushed to next weekend, since we're both too behind at the moment and it's too close to the BSST day. Also, I would kind of die having to put together my part for two newsletters on the same day xD
Well, OR and I aren't making any automatic decisions :P We'll see!
Assuming that these which we came up with last summer are still in effect, OR and Minnichi both have to agree on whom the new DE should be, in accordance with Rule 1. Rule 3 would mean that the active current DE's could break a tie (meaning myself), but that is again contradicted by Rule 1, which states that both Editors have to consent to it.
Regardless of what the reason was for enacting them, the by-laws were never officially removed, so they may still be in effect. As for whether rule 1 or 3 triumphs, I think that remains to be seen. It's unclear, the way we wrote them.
Well, it says they may be removed, which means it doesn't necessarily have to be the case. But if someone excessively neglects it, the other staff of course have the right to remove them. That I agree with.
Perhaps a more wiki-global, highlighted message about an available WLS-position could be made, as I am sure that there are a lot of people who have no knowledge about this. It's always beneficial to have as many candidates as possible for a certain position as "activity" and "commitment" really are the only relevant criteria that should be counted imo -just my two cents on this.
I think that's an excellent idea, and I'm all in favor of mentioning it in the upcoming WLS issue. Such an announcement is of course Minnichi/OR's to make, but I'll certainly highlight it if they do it on the general noticeboard :)
I'd do it on the general noticeboard, though on the other hand, only doing it in the WLS will make sure that only WLS-readers will notice it and thus "hand in" their candidacy. Meh, it's up to you all, I just thought that I'd suggest it :-)
Could be, though as a side note to the "including"-idea: I don't know how many people actually read that message. Speaking for myself: I rarely do that, but just immediately go to the link, so I don't know how effective that would be in general.
I'd like to put an end to this squabble with a solution. Suzon, I think it would be highly appropriate to have you simply write articles for the WLS for a few issues before any talk of promotion to DE. Doesn't that make sense? I'm not saying no, so please don't take it that way. I just think perhaps we should ease you back into it.
Oh and ARG and LL: I think we should let as many people know as possible, because it doesn't matter if people who aren't very involved with the WLS see it and apply. I know for sure I'd never vote for a candidate who hasn't even written single article, and I wouldn't be surprised if Minnichi feels the same way.
I believe it was agreed by all staff members in a forum by MateyY that the rule about having an article every issue was not necessary. And for the record, my name may not have been present "officially" in the issues, but I've written or coded some part every single time since I joined the staff - whether through the Urban Dictionary, the frame of the issue, or the random polls. So yeah, I really don't like that rule, either ^^"
Anyhow, I second OR on letting as many people know as possible. I'm also not likely to vouch for someone who hasn't ever written an article. To give new users or those who weren't involved with the WLS previously a chance, I also think that having them submit articles before any judging begins would be a good strategy. However, I'd say that it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some discussion with candidates as part of the process, either - maybe some sort of mini interview. It would give us a feel for who they are and how they would treat their newsletter schedules and possible staff conflicts in the future. 'Course, I'll see how OR feels about this notion, though. Ideas, ideas...
Everyone is allowed to be a candidate, but I've never heard of any newspaper that hires an inexperienced deputy editor. I personally will only cast my vote to candidates who have submitted articles previously.
Regarding ARG and Minnichi's possible removal, well, that won't happen. Given that there are three staff members write now, them being two of them, I'd be the only voting member and therefore have the absolute power of determining whether they stay or go. I say they stay, so end of story.
And to you, Suzon: I said that I would vouch for you to the others and, if it came down to voting whether or not to readmit you after some articles, that I would vote yes. However, I did not promise you any vote over another potential candidate.
That's not what you said, OR but... And Minnichi, when you were deputy editor, you didn't once, but as I said, I don't agree with the rule. :) Secondly, I never said I wanted either ARG or Minnichi removed, I said according to ARG's logic, the rules in effect would effect him also. Don't take what I say as an insult, without getting better into context. Secondly, anyone from the WLS who joins IRC in the next 5 minutes gets a cookie.
Well, then I'd say that either OR or Minn writes a general "apply for WLS DE"-message on the general noticeboard in which you list the requirements -and thus tempt people to contribute for the WLS for a few issues first- and then an administrator will highlight that for you.
Hey there! Thanks for giving my fanon a chance and taking the time to look at it. I just wanted to let you know that I have released the first part of my finale, marking the beginning of the end of my project. Enjoy! If you get around to it, try to let me know what you think, since I put a lotta effort into it.