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  • Hey subscriber, Avatar Colosseum has returned for one bonus story. Danny Phantom vs Avatar Aang. I hope you find it ghostly and ghastly in equal measure.

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  • There is message for your, Xiaolin Showdown VS Avatar is coming in July 18, 2017!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • ...is Diana Gabaldon.  The character is a blatant expy of Jamie McCrimmon from classic Dr. Who; she's outright admitted as much.   And "making a pass at her husband" was one of the tamer things to which she compared fanfic.

    Mind you: Dennis McKiernan—who is very defensive over his 'intellectual property" but seems to write very little except bad LotR fanfic with the serial numbers filed off—is up there with Gabaldon as far as hypocrisy goes.  But Gabaldon takes the cake when it comes to the unholy union of hypocrisy and sheer WTFery.

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  • Dear subscriber, 

    I have published the final round of the Avatar Colosseum. See Season 2 Finale.

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  • Dear subscriber,

    I have now released round 4 of the Colosseum - Suyin v. Lin

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  • Dear Subscriber, 

    I have released round 3 of the Colosseum, UnaVaatu v. Colossus. Enjoy reading.

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  • Thank you for your subscription to Avatar Colosseum. I apologise that this subscription notice is a bit late. I am here to inform you that the next chapter, Toph v. Bumi has been released. Don't forget to vote and comment.

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  • Dear SaitamaBro,

    I thank you for your part supporting Avatar Roku in the Avatar Colosseum Avatar Royale. It must have been a difficult task, owing to the shortage of material. I hope to work with you in future projects. Don't forget to subscribe for future updates.

    Yours, Duke of Skibbington

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  • I would consider not being hut by fire(or having a higher resistance than most, in the case of non-Daenerys), having premonitions, and the ability to control dragons would put them as more than alright. But since some of them are crazy(or in Viserys case, too stupid) i will put them as alright.

    Also, what are her issues?

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    As for Daenerys specifically, when I'm saying "she's not alright" I'm talking about how I find her a little off; in her sense of morality and how she rules. I am not sure if its because she's born a little off (presumably like other Targaryens), if it is her upbringing, or both.

    Danny can be hurt by fire and WoG has difinitively clarified that she, and other Targaryens, are not immune to fire. They might have a bit of an unusually high affinity to it, but they can and have been killed by fire/heat (King Aerion and Viserys for instance). Martin has explained on record that Danny's feat at the funeral pyre of Khal Drogo was a one-off special circumstance. Here is a video that goes into a little more detail on this misconception.

    Premonitions, it has been discussed and there are many theories flying around that these "dragon dreams" are actually others working to influence her, like the necromancers, Hightowers/the Citadel (with the glass candle), Quath, etc. There is also the very reasonable possibility that some or all of these are delusions.

    Dragon taming has not ever been shown to be an inherent ability to date and according to the stories in the books, magic was used to control them. In recent events, the dragons have become a problem for her (eating livestock and possibly her subjects) and not minding her, so she threw two of them in the dungeons and the third flew off. While I'll grant that Drogon didn't kill her at the end of book five, nothing so far really shows she is his master, he apparently does what he wants.

    Viserys, was manipulated, and got himself killed by having no situational awareness in his circumstances. I'll grant he wasn't completely stupid, he does a few things that show signs of intelligence, but he played the situation very poorly after leaving Pentos. I wouldn't say he was "alright" in the sense that he was an egotistical person, that talked his way to an early grave. As for this being due to heredity? I don't know, but at the end of the day, he had some serious issues that took him out of the picture.

    Danny, she's a mass murderer (see Astapor, Yunkai, and Mereen)  and oftentimes willingly slaughters people who are either innocent or at least not shown guilty of crime (like indiscriminently executing nobles in Mereen for the deaths of the slaves crusified en route to Mereen). She demonstrates serious naivete both morally and in her rule. Sure, she does things that make for cool scenes, but when you really stop and think about what she's doing, it becomes clear that she's really doing some horrible things pretty often, that very easily causes more problems. An entire region is in upheaval, because she wants to be the queen. Thousands of people have been killed both directly and indirectly due to her actions. Citizens are starving and killing each other, because of her and the situation she created. While it may be admirable that she wants to abolish slavery, she has not devised an alternative or coherent framework for how this society should work in the wake of this institution's removal, in this society that has depended on it for generations. She knows next to nothing of the people or the culture, yet imposes her will upon them, even when they flat out tell her it's not what they want. She actually treats Mereen as practice for conquering Westros. Yet, her cities are a mess with open civil war and terrorism even within her own capital.

    But again, "alright" or not, isn't clear how much of it's nature or nurture. I'm not saying she's messed up because of inbreeding, just that she is messed up.

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    • But again, how do we know these dreams are of their own power/ability? For instance, Bloodraven very well could be manipulating Bran's visions and summoning him north, while Bran thinks these are his own dreams.

      Bloodraven is a Targaryen. Even if you are right, those conspiracies are concentrated on them seeing as this is a common trait of them(just like they say about their craziness), so by being born a Targaryen you have a higher chance of having premonitions than a non Targaryen, being made by someone else or your own dreams. And they are helpful, since they escaped the Doom.

      But you rationalize it away "because she's a teenager" and "she doesn't know better." This doesn't really excuse it.

      It doesn't, and i acknowledged that:

      Of course she can't be forgiven with those excuses since in her position, making mistakes and wrong judgements often leads to the death of innocent people, wich is what actually happens.

      That said, in her mind slave master = evil person. Of course she is wrong and killed innocent people because of it, but you can't really say she did it because she is evil and crazy. More like sheltered and naive.

      No, Targaryens aren't all known to be beautiful and bear in mind, that's with a major advantage of being rich, which helps with hygene, clothing, etc.

      Well, a lot of them are considere beutiful and described to have unwordly beauty.

      http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/c/c6/House_Targaryen_Family_tree.jpg

      Look at their family tree. The ones who aren't beutiful are either overweight, old, sick, or don't have the Targaryen looks.

      We also have priests of R'llor, Greenseers, and random witches in the woods which even then, might not be legitimate either, but also apparently share the ability.

      And how many of them can claim to have at least two others in their family that can have these dreams?

      While it is a saying in Westros and we don't know just how quantified it is, they say something to the effect that the gods flip a coin when a Targaryen is born to decide if they will be mad or not. If this is common occurance enough to where they make a saying about them, there's probably something there and what we know of Westros history, we know that there is.

      And there only seems to have 5-6 crazy Targaryens. The chance of a Targaryen being crazy are the same of them having premonitions. Most of them are described as unwordly beutiful and highly skilled fighters, maybe not all of them, but in their case incest doesn't have any major effects aside from madness(and even then only a few were affected by it).

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    • Though, it sounds as though Bloodraven's power comes from the Old Gods/Weirwood Trees, not necessarily his own inborn ability and the point remains, magic is possibly tampering with others' visions.

      That only means she is a shitty ruler, being an "alright" person doesn't mean she is a great ruler and all. Nor does it mean that she knows what she is doing, only means that she isn't going to drink wild fire to become a dragon. That is messed up, she is just immature, inexperienced, self righteous, arrogant, and disregard most of what other people says and do whatever she wants, making things worse. That's the same as a teenager, wich is what she is, but with a lot more power and responsibility.

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      How is that not rationalizing her behavior and sweeping said behavior under the rug as if it is not part of the equation in determining if she is "alright" in the capacity of a reasonably decent person?

      Murdering people you deem evil, for doing something that is considered socially acceptable for generations without even having a dialogue about it beforehand isn't evil or crazy? I'm not making the case for slavery being a great institution, but at the same time, she went about abolishing it in a pretty amoral and crazy fashion, "let's just murder this class of people and uproot the entire society overnight!" I'll grant she's not much worse than some other warlords...but her methods aren't much better either and it's pretty irresponsible how little planning she has done for the entire matter. Feeding people to dragons because you don't know how to rule your kingdom =/= a sane method of governing.

      Look at their family tree. The ones who aren't beutiful are either overweight, old, sick, or don't have the Targaryen looks.

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      So, basically, Targaryen looks are hot...because we aren't including the Targaryens that are not hot?

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      And how many of them can claim to have at least two others in their family that can have these dreams?

      You can't even establish that these dreams are their own, not influenced by others through magic mentioned in the book, or even true, so it's a moot point. But I could bring up the Starks and the wolf dreams, which we find out are related to their high warging affinity (which, warging, actually is a useful power).


      And there only seems to have 5-6 crazy Targaryens. The chance of a Targaryen being crazy are the same of them having premonitions. Most of them are described as unwordly beutiful and highly skilled fighters, maybe not all of them, but in their case incest doesn't have any major effects aside from madness(and even then only a few were affected by it).

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      When have we had premonitions that have actually been shown true (and not so vague that it's practically useless), not influenced by outside forces, and not self fulfilling prophecy?

      Maybe the daughter that had the Targaryens flee from Valeria? Even then, we don't know what happened in the Doom, why it happened, if someone intentionally caused it and/or wanted the Targaryens spared.

      At this point, it's just not substantiated that this is in fact a power that Targaryens have, and does not even address my initial assertion about Danny not being "alright." 

      Maeggi the Frog actually had a prophecy that was specific enough and so far, coming true, to actually make a case for prophecy, but so far, I'm not seeing any from the Targaryens that have been reasonably useful.

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