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  • Why isn't Young Justice on that list?

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    • Neo Bahamut wrote: Did you get curious when my page presumably popped up in the recent edits area? I recall making a few changes recently, after I binged like half a season of Adam Ruins Everything & also realized I forgot to cross a few movies out.

      That's right.

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    • Neat. Well, nice chatting with you.

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  • Did you see TaiWolf's meltdown in that thread?  If he keeps bugging me, I'm going to schedule a safari.

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    Neo Bahamut closed this thread because:
    Holy shit, did you know I can just close threads?
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    • Deist Zealot wrote:

      Well, that was certainly an impressive pack of lies.

      Seriously: the only thing that was anywhere near the truth in that flood of accusations is the fact that I have used the word "rabid" a few times. Which, as you know as well as I do, was not aimed at "critics," but at the sort of people who were calling Korrasami either coded shit like "fanservice" and "pandering" or overt shit like "sexual immorality." (But then again: you defended that last, demanded that I explain to you why bigotry shouldn't be defended, and snippily brushed off my answer.)

      Condemning Korrasami as fanservice or pandering is criticism, and honest criticism. Given its poor viewer base, something as controversial as Korrasami is great shock value to start a conversation and reel old fans back in, as well as to intrigue new fans. The case can easily be made that the pairing was done to humor a segment of the fan base that wanted it and procure a "groundbreaking" status among children's tv productions (literally; Vanity Fair termed it, breaking ground). The fact that you think it's coded shows your insecurity.

      Your compass needs a new magnet if you think my accusations are imaginary.

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    • Piss off, TaiWolf, & go peddle your homophobic conspiracy theory somewhere else.

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  • Hi! Im new at this wiki and sets a challenge to whoever replies or interacts with me first, excluding the intro bot, i should try to reach out to them! And its you! Yes its me from the debate. We may have different opinions but i hope it wont get in the way!

    Nice to meet you! It may seems awkward but ohwell, who are your favorite characters and why? U can answer in both series too! Thanks! Nice knowing you, Neo! :D

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    • =D *

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  • Why do you want Kuvira to die?

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    • Because she is terrible on a personal level, & gratingly boring in her characterization.

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    • That is a terribly vapid and immature call for death. And so ineffectual a desire if fullfilled too. 

      I assume by "terrible on a personal level" you mean she has a severe lack of moral character? Which if so, almost, not quite. It's very much a grey area. It doesn't take a psychologist to see that Kuvira was hurt, betrayed, neglected, abused, and misguided as hell, which is quite obviously what led her down that spirale of bad decisions. Did you not watch the finale? Everything you need to know about her is said out-loud, like, right there, a whole scene dedicated to Korra empathizing with her. She didn't just wake up one day with the dream of starting a totalitarian insurgency, no one does. She was orphaned, one of the most damaging things that can be done to a person. She got caught up in the sudden massive power by doing what Suyin refused to do, a desperate power-grab to not feel weak and vulnerable. I'd almost blame Suyin for Kuvira becoming Great Uniter. Even so, Kuvira did an excellent job at securing the Earth Kingdom wtih Baatar and Varrick, very well for her lack of expirence too, better than any of the past monarchs did. Unfortunately, each little step she took for "prosperity" got darker and darker until the facade we know as the Great Uniter took over. There's much kinder ways of maintaining peace than subjugation, I will concede.

      But gratingly boring? Kuvira is one of the most layered and charming characters in Avatar history. She is positively overflowing with character. She's so light and reserved and gentle and polite and kind and humble it's unbearable. From the first moment we see of her in Book 3, she's in Suyin's dancer troupe. She's a dancer. What are the odds. And throughout all those episodes while the gang's in Zaofu, Kuvira is the most incorrigable worker, jogging in and out of rooms as to not waste time, always being the first on scene whenever people need help, heck, she initated a one-on-one with Zaheer when the Red Lotus tried capturing Korra. I always forget she was captain of the guard. She saved Tonraq like it was nothing, and politely insisted he call her by name rather than "captain," a good mark of humility as any. She also insisted that she go with Su and everyone else to help rescue Korra, but was unfortunately turned down. And once again she said herself it was out of her place to try to convince Su to reunite the Earth Kingdom, but did so anyways, but was turned down then too. She gets shutdown a lot...

      She's such a wonderful little thing. She's the kind of person that could walk off being stabbed but still startle herself by setting her own mug down too hard against a table. She's not naturally cruel or one-dimensional in the slightest.

      The Great Uniter, however, is. Calling that and Kuvira different characters is going to sound odd, but they quite literally drew Kuvira's face differently on multiple occasions once she became the Great Uniter, the shadows, the hooked nose. If that isn't a clue that something's supposed to seem amiss, I don't know what is. Unfortunately, that's the majority of what we saw of Kuvira. Her softer side was criminally skimmed over, but is still in there if you're just willing to look.

      There is no value or worth in Kuvira's death, torture, or imprisonment. Quite the opposite. That is a tragic waste of potential. Her decisive political intuition and peerless metalbending skills would make her an invaluable asset to Team Avatar. Not to mention Korra trusts Zaheer despite all the literally torturous things he did to her. A girl who just wants to feel some love and support for once in her life can't be that far off from becoming an ally, one of the tightest one's Korra's ever had if given the chance. Ironically, while the series tried making Korra and Kuvira to be "reflections" of each other, they're oh so blatantly opposites. But that's what'd make them such a great little pair! They balance each other out. Korra's usually all brash and reckless, whereas Kuvira is more thoughtful and reserved. Korra's a bit of a tomboy, while Kuvira is on the more elegant side. Korra's more street-smart, and Kuvira's more book-smart. And yet, it's always been both their main drive to help others, spread peace however little way they can. The thought of them trying to do the simplest of anything together without bickering about incidental nonsense is painfully perfect. A "Kuvira rehabilitation" arc has as stalwart a foundation as Zuko's arc, if not stronger. It'd practically write itself.

      Apologies, but how on Earth are you a fan of Avatar? "Changing people for the better" has been its central thread since the beginning. You should've clocked out halfway through Book 1: Water.

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    • Yeah, I'm gonna take advice on how to be a mature intellectual from the person who clearly found a random stranger on the internet who had an opinion they didn't like about a cartoon & fake-asked a question as a pretext to launch into a pre-prepared rant. Consider going outside & getting some air before you read the rest of this.

      I also do not have much interest in the moral opinions of someone who wants to absolve a fascist war criminal because "but her bad childhood!" & "she wasn't always so bad!" but also admits to being tempted to blame the person who took her in & tried to be a positive influence on her, only to ultimately be betrayed once her protege got a taste of power. There's nothing "gray" about it, your priorities are just messed up.

      There are other metalbenders. There are other politicians. Kuvira still has sway over her various fascist sympathizers should she have another "change of heart." Kuvira is at best of minimal use & at worst a public danger. She sure as Hell should never be released back into society, & her continued existence in the prison system is an unnecessary drain, since her guilt is objectively known

      Zuko's & Zaheer's cases are irrelevant. Zuko's crimes never came anywhere the slightest bit approaching Kuvira's, in fact he was frequently highlighted as one of the least horrid villains in his own series. Zaheer would almost certainly be executed if he weren't of potential use locating the remaining Red Lotus. Korra does not trust him, he was just desperate enough to need his help, as acknowledged by Zaheer himself. She sure as Hell didn't ask him to join her.

      Do I even need to argue with your assertion that Kuvira is "one of the most layered and charming characters in Avatar history"? Even you can't quite stop yourself from admitting the cracks in that facade. The lack of continuity between her Books 3 & 4 personalities. The fact that the vast majority of her screentime is dominated by a sneering caricature of villainy. The remainder of your points are mostly either trivial, uninteresting details (who gives a shit if she dances?) or stuff you pulled straight out of nowhere, like whatever the Hell this is: "[She is] the kind of person that could walk off being stabbed but still startle herself by setting her own mug down too hard against a table." Also, she does not 1v1 Zaheer, I've checked into that myth, & the guard who fights Zaheer is a man.

      I don't owe you any explanation for why I watch what I do, though I will note I could level that accusation right back at you. Avatar contains several villains who are not redeemed, sometimes even killed by one of the majority of heroes who have zero problems with slaying villains. It seems to me as if this should be an intolerable transgression of this "central thread," which you seem to believe should be all or nothing. If Kuvira is equally deserving of redemption as Zuko, then surely the demise of Unalaq must be some loathsome, reprehensible tragedy. Plus, none of Aang's friends actually admits to coming around to his belief in never killing. Are you as outraged with these transgressions of the moral of redemption? Or do you think that, if the writers decided to kill off Kuvira instead, it would somehow magically make it more appropriate than my saying that she should be killed off?

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  • Excellent defense of Korra there mate

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  • How OK is it considered to edit information on the Avatar Wiki pages?

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    • What made you think Katara is such a boring character?

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    • That makes it sound like I thought she was interesting until something happened to change my mind. I just eventually noticed that I rarely found myself being excited when she was on screen, or craving an episode about her. Probably because I usually felt I knew roughly what she was going to say before she said it. Intrigue comes from the usurping of expectations.

      Iroh has many examples of this. You expect someone of his power to beat the crap out of a mugger, but instead he talks him through his problems. You expect him to be furious at Zhao for trying to kill Zuko, but he manages to keep his cool. But these moments don't become too predictable, because you also have moments like "no, Azula is crazy, & she needs to go down."

      Of course you don't expect Toph to be as powerful as she is, & she often leads the Gaang down situations you wouldn't normally expect them to participate in, like scams, or forcing Aang to stand his ground.

      Sokka comes up with complex plans you wouldn't normally think of, & in terms of fighting skills, he's a largely unknown quantity. We know he can throw boomerangs pretty accurately, but he doesn't actually take down many opponents, & we're never sure exactly how much potential he has.

      There's more to those examples than that, but that's the gist. This is why I also think Aang is pretty boring, though not quite to the same extent as Katara. His main traits are defined pretty early on & don't deviate much: Reluctant hero, goofy kid, surprisingly insightful pacifist.

      It's also why I think Katara is most interesting during the Southern Raiders, since she demonstrates personality traits & actions you never would have expected before.

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  • That guy arrives in a cloud of indignation, starts reeing about how the cultural Marx Brothers or whatever are supposedly Godwinning everyone, and resorts to insults early in the game...but you're the one who's supposedly unprepared for anything resembling a rational debate.  Right.

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    • My personal favorite part was how he admitted he knew absolutely nothing about Spencer & his ties to the alt right movement, but continued trying to lecture me about "The Truth!" undeterred.

      I certainly could have kept going, but I didn't want that thread to blow up like the last one I mentioned fascism in. So if he wants me to respond, it has to be on-topic, or at least related to what I said.

      Though, between you & I, I am damn tired of seeing right-wingers whine about respect & understanding, but only when it comes to them. Never mind that I have been listening to their complaints, & how many times do I have to debunk the same falsehoods, listen to the same conspiracy theories, & hear the same insults before I'm allowed to conclude that there really isn't anything rational there? Except maybe the odd complaint about coal jobs or career politicians that right wing extremist groups either can't or don't want to solve anyway.

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  • The exact quote was "I know nothing about you, but based solely on your posts I have to assume you're a baby eating rapist."  He then went on to accuse me of thinking everyone who disagreed with me was an "antifan" (because let's conveniently forget about him calling me a "baby-eating rapist" for disagreeing with him, ignore the volume of incoherent Katara hate that he's spewed, and pretend that I go around calling, say, Makorra holdouts "antifans" unless they've actively earned it).

    And earlier in the same post, he'd accused me of "self admittedly [having] no idea what [I was] criticizing."  Note that what I'd said was that his Tumblr post was inane, unfunny, and definitely not canon; and that his blog as a whole did not reflect well on his character.  Which had nothing to do with whether or not the gripe that prompted him to excrete that thing (as some sort of half-baked reductio ad absurdum protest against mod rulings) had any validity (and it still didn't).

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    • Now that you've reminded me that comment history can be checked, things make a lot more sense. I hadn't realized just how much had been leading up to this. The reaction just shocked me because frankly the post didn't seem altogether more wrong or offensive than a lot of things I've seen posted to the board, which are generally ignored.

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  • How comes it seems like you and Hasdi are constantly at each other's throats?

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    • You can do it if it takes the form of a safari tour.

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    • I imagine that's what he's been doing for the past hour, seeing how much his posts have.

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