It's not hard, when you're probably the most bothersome person on the Wiki. I'm not anti-anything, but I'm not opposed to you facing the consequences for your actions that have been far less than constructive.
Hey Miles, i'm not sure if you are aware, but Hasdi has been continously hammering into our brains on one of the page I've followed that M. Night Shymalan is going to direct another Last Airbender Movie once his new Science fiction Survival Horror film "After Earth" is finished up.
Given that the first film was terrible and pretty much ruined any hope of getting a good live action ATLA film in our lifetimes. I think we should do something about it.
Take the pledge to not go see the TLA sequel if it does happen. and encourage other people to take the pledge.
I don't need to pledge to not see the next TLA movie, because Shyamalan lost all my respect by making the first one. Unless the reviews are outstanding from both Avatar show fans and regular critics, I won't even consider wasting my money on seeing the sequel. I think that many fans have the same attitude, and won't see it regardless of whatever M. Night does with it.
What's also nice is that competent, experienced film critics can easily point out the glaring flaws within the movie even without watching the animated series prior. Just look at TLA on Rotten Tomatoes.
According to Hasdi, the movie got a 3 out of 5 on Netflix. this is important because to rate a netflix movie one has to actually watch it.
Thats not to say I like the film, far from it. But it does say that enough people like it to at least warrant a sequel.
just spread the word, tell other users and friends about it, thats what I'm doing, tell them not to go see it. do whatever it takes to make the film flop. Because if it succeeds then odds are we will never see a good live action ATLA film.
Lately I've been thinking of how I would make a live action Legend of Korra film. What I would change, what I would make better, what I wouldn't change etc. but more importantly who I would cast to play the characters.
Im writing a whole series of blogs about this. would you bein commenting on the first one? I'd like your opinion since you are one of the few level headed people on the wiki.
Alright, I read over the article and left a comment containing my vastly miniscule knowledge on actresses and acting in general. I'll probably have more to say when you get to the male actors, but it would also be interesting if you went over plot (like the 3 acts, climax, resolution, and opening for sequels) in another blot post(s). I'd probably have a lot more to say on that, but still, looking forward to your next post.
It doesn't entirely matter when you decide to post blogs; it's up to you. Personally, I like to give it a day or two after the commenting on the blog dies down before posting another blog, and usually wait until the day after to start sharing it in the article comments. But again, whatever you think or feel is best.
Just do what Hasdi mentioned in his blog comments and use images from Photobucket/Imageshack or from any Wiki.
Hello there my friend! its me, that anti-modernization person, constantly defending ancient stuff on RL/avatarverse.
What do you truly meant everytime you refer to the ATLA system as feudalism?? as the term itself is very broad and possibly not relating to
Chinese Imperial systems, or the pre-Qin [imperial] system which resembles [note the resemble part] a bit, a little bit Western Feudalism [medieval].
After all we all know that both systems are different, take the king for example. Before Qin unification there was the position of King of China, specially during the
Zhou-Warring states/spring&autumn period, where central authority collapsed and China entered in a fragmentation period where Nobles attained rankings [which translated into Marquis,Duke,etc similarly to Europe]
And local lords/kings gave fractions of the land [by themselves] to feudal lords, who in turn would oversee it and collect taxes, normally in form of grains such as millet,wheat and sometimes rice.
But the similarities end here, for example the knight or knighthood. At the basis of the western social pyramid there was the knight/mounted knight with title attained through a number of achievements [fighting,value in battle, king-given,
or simply bought sometimes]. while militarly feudal [pre-Qin] the system usually had at basis of such society the foot soldier and nobles actually commanded them in battles instead of that system where knights fought other knights [and stomping on peasant-soldiers on process]
and they followed a code of conduct and so. IF anything, one thing feudal China does not have is the fundamental block fo the european feudalism, the KNIGHT.
China on its feudal period had a shi class, which encompass nobility,superior warriors [officers,generals,etc] scholars,sorcerers and so. so the term knight couldnt be PERFECTLY applied to the shi class. or else it would be generalization toward the word 'elite'.
Changing words you can see similarities between Japanese and European feudalism, both having that same block in common [Knights and Samurai]. and the feudal lord having more importance in Japan [Daimyo] and Europe rather than Feudal China.
Such system was created during Zhou dynasty after the fall of the Shang, previous system where warrior-kings/sages/etc ruler over the country and an imperialistic slavery society based on wars with the goal of píllage+slavery
[similar to Roman empire at its prime and Egypt, specially Egypt] was replaced by the Fengjian society, sometimes translated as feudalism, in Zhou it was also the policy of granting fiefdom to relatives of Zhou dynasty
and the king passed ranks to the lords which in turn gave titles/power to other lords/relatives [it was hereditary also] and the warrior class too.
Part of this system changed after Qin unification of China *plays firenation tune* when he created the Empire of China, and dynastic rule in a way which persisted till 1911, but thats different talk right?
So what bugs me is, I defend one simple truth: what is the similarities between feudalism and Avatarverse systems
and I also surely have no way of telling which feudalism are you bent into labeling Avatarverse nations as feudalism or what are the similarities of both systems.
Because in fact, Feudalism is a word loosely used by Fascist/communist discourse on recent events [from Industrial Rev. till present days] to SOMETIMES describe someting which is not. Such as often labeling the Ming/Qing [1300-1911] system as feudal or the
Qin warrior-class based 'Shang Yang' rank system [you cut heads you are promoted] as feudalism!!11!!!onetwothree!! also. Just a more practical way in adding hay in the fire and making the people understand what THEY [leaders,revolutionaries,etc] want so.
True feudalism [call this what you want if you desire so] do not lasted much untill Qin unification, and system was based on meritocracy OR civil service+imperial examinations later [from Sui/Tang onwards] although Emperor's massive power allowed him to
obviously bestow a rank/title or a gift to him. [typical I award you 500 bolts of silk for you service we see in movies,dramas,etc].
So none system on avatarverse truly reminds me of feudalism, be it European,Japanese [samurai!] or Chinese Zhou-style.
Earth Kingdom government surely reminds me of Spring&Autumn period in China where power was splitted between many kings/local rulers and a good part of them had soldiers/nobles with more loyalty to those local rulers rather than the Son of Heaven [emperor/king].
while in the EK power splits between regional kings, sometimes with their own interests and ways of governance and only paying tribute/respect to the Earth king rather than being his [E. king] servant.
that was not the Zhou original perfect design of governance but it had the potential in developing so]
while the Fire Nation is surely an Qin empire, with steampunk elements [made in firenation/mechanist] AND a bit of Han-Tang dynasty military conquests/campaigns. maybe with something alike with Mao/or simply a dear leader personality cult [as the FN does not regard their firelord as a true living god, such as long feng said about EK and its people].
Maybe the most feudal system there is Kyoshi island,with similarities with Japanese feudalism, specially Tokugawa
As they are part of a larger group [earth kingdom] but have regional authonomy [to the point they refused to enter in the HYW] and has
Tokugawa style policies such as feudal warrior class [Kyoshi island] syncretism of religion with governance [I wont regard that as religion, but at least the near-cult of Kyoshi they have there, much like the samurai that adopted confucian honor and
buddhist+shinto faith into their Bushido and lifestyle] and isolationist policy [tokugawa banned even maritme trade and closed doors of the nation].
So, as you see, no feudalism, at least from what we've saw on the show. And personally, the system which I would like to see entering on avatarverse, is much like Qin/post-QIN or warring states rather than that modernity garbage.
Once again, I know little to nothing in regards to the history of the dynastic/empirical eras of pretty much all Eastern countries. My only historical staples are European Feudalism and ancient societies (Egypt, Greece), and even my knowledge on those is starting to fade.
The history lesson is interesting, but if I'm to form my own opinion on this subject, I'll need to look at it from an unbiased source (not saying your information is inaccurate, just that I need to see both sides of the times).
maybe you should try some books, specially on pre-late Qing period
[because after 1850 thats when the empire started to decline and poverty due to Opium wars and so] some books could help you and
seeking advice at the china history forum as most people there speak English [so it wont have the hassle of receiving comments on hanyu] and they surely can help
when someone is seeking advice/starting to study it ^_^
And look from an neutral viewpoint of course, as many will criticize too much the Imperial System, others will praise too much [dont look at me hehe]
After all, looking from an neutral viewpoint is the best for historians/amateur ones right? then later making up your opinion.
At last but not least, but you're right, many people unfortunately aren't given the chance to learn more about the history of other countries, specially those of east asia.
On the other side, its interesting to learn history of the west to learn how one thing affects another. [small example? roman empire economical 'growth' created a large demand of expensive products some of them being the Chinese silk].
I actually had this Idea for a Fanon that nevr got off the ground.
The plot would've been a group of WT terrorists planning to melt the polar ice caps and flood the planet, destroying most of the planets industry in the process. Resetting the entire ATLA universe, with the Water Tribe (or Glacier Empire as I would have called them) as the primary antagonists. I was thinking like Waterworld meets the Road Warrior meets ATLA, sort've ATLA in a postapocalyptic setting. With the main conflict being between the ones who wish to restore the traditions of the past, and those who want to push technological progress.
Sadly due to scheduling it never really got off the gound. Maybe i'll revisit it in the future.
so miles, what do you think? I think it would fit into the whole "Tradition vs Progress theme" that ATLA and LOK are known for.
Honestly, I prefer a traditional pre-industrialized setting like what A:TLA primarily was, but it's not smart to try and fight against industrialization in any realistic setting, because regardless, humankind will always seek to better itself and improve upon what already is. Industrialization was a dark moment in the progression of mankind, but before that life was in some cases just as horrible. Up until the past few centuries, survival was difficult, brutal, painful, and wasn't achieved by many. Since day one up until the modern era, life was horrible for many, until today, when the middle class is enormous and has luxuries they take for granted every day.
Back on topic. the idea for that kind of Fanon certainly is interesting, but you may want to make sure you cover up any possible plot holes, like: how on earth did a radical minority of waterbenders get enough power to melt sheets of ice as large as continents and that can be up to miles thick? And how did any culture besides the waterbenders and the Air Nomads (if any besides Tenzin's family existed in this scenario, and lived in the air temples) ? Questions like that and that aren't answered sensibly can ruin a story.
Basically, I was going to write two fanons. the first fanon would be about the Earth Kingdom Avatar sort've a James Bond Character. since LOK was the 1920-30's I was going to make the next Avatar be in the 1960's-70's, inspired mostly by cold war spy films, since the Avatar would be an incredible military Asset to the Earth Kingdom I thought it made sense.
Basically, I thought a group of Waterbenders would land on the moon using a space capsule, and use the power the moon gave them to melt the Icecaps. The EK avatar stops them, but not before the planet is ravaged, and He is killed. The Northern
the FireBender Avatar is born in a drastically different world. The Fire Nation is underwater, its inhabitants scattered living on floating cities of debris, being hunted by the Glacier empire. the Earth Kingdom still exists, as do the Air Acolytes but they are seperated and lacking military power, from newly formed lakes and inland oceans.
its just an Idea now, I have yet to have the time o actually write it.
Raiden I liked your idea. Working more into it would be perfect and its reeking of awesomeness heh
Besides, an post-apocalyptical world is something I wouldnt consider unrealistic considering LOK progress and how one day or another
humans are going to do serious ---- with the nature there too [they're already doing!].
For your idea, another nice stuff would be something spiritual related, such as the heaven/earth [yin/yang] balance being broken by them by se of modern technology.
For example a realm of some sorts or isolated place being wrecked and destroyed ON PURPOSE by such terrorist to accomplish their goal. world is thrown out of balance [beyond point of return].
Industrialization in fact is a thing that lasts until today and will last forever [if things continue progressing this way and new technology overcomes the
problems such as lack of resources,energy production,etc etc] difference is that the types of industrialization [call it modernization then] will continue change such as: steam era-electricity-diesel-nuclear-internet age [in the future we'll possibly have
age of robotics,nanos,AI,self-replicating stuff,cloning,etc etc] untill we have socio economical/political friendly environment to do so.
And many people take those benefits as granted because obviously many people are raised [or fought for it] in an industrial-style environment and are used to it. like opium or any drug. addicts people to the point they unfortunately cant loose their grip on it. untill its too late.
Take you, or me for example. or anyone around us. Will all the people be able to live like we could like back in the warring states?? or the Ming period for example?
that's the course of modern humanity. I just wished something like Han/Ming/Tang/Song,etc dynasty came back and that's it.
So I respect your opinion and you have good sense but unfortunately I see modernity as an never ending bitter sea and a poisoning drug that will kill everything a TRUE civilization deems worthy such as tradition,customs,rites,Zhou Li,traditional music etc etc
untill nothing but a barren waste is left and agriculture ITSELF, a sacred duty and the most important duty of a human being, is extinct [one day or another it'll all be mechanized right?? its happening by the day with gas/electric machinery and soon there'll be robots that will do it perhaps?]
and other nice/beautiful/awesome duty that was already destroyed or burned by the ground by the horrible modern system.
So the question is what have we lost? and what we will lost even further??
At least I'm unfortunately preapred for the day nothing beautiful and truly civilized is left standing =,(
Ruen was, in fact, not right. What he did was to redefine the conversation. He latched onto that "personal amusement" comment & rode it for all it was worth. But I didn't actually cause anything, in fact I barely said anything to Fire Eater. The thread blew itself up, I just happened to be there.
You might also notice how he puts all of the onus on me. I'm "trying to goad Fire Eater," which he can't actually prove, he just kind of assumes it. But if Fire Eater responds negatively, it's "because he made a human mistake." That language technically admits fault on behalf of both parties, but so generously implies that the vast majority of the fault lies with me.
It is positively ridiculous that he sits there & apologizes for months of flame wars, insisting I be understanding & let change occur at its own pace, but so aggressively pursues me for 2 comments. What's the difference? That I owned up to the fact that I'm just kind of a jerk? If I had made all kinds of lame excuses about how Korra hating irritated me personally & blamed everyone else, would I suddenly be the victim?
Related, he only uses the word troll once, but do you honestly think phrases like "trying to stir trouble" and "comments like Neo's" somehow took on a new meaning, just because he didn't literally say, "You are a troll?" It's called, "reading between the lines." And, in this case, it isn't even that difficult.
He does all of these little word tricks to talk around the points, but ultimately have no substance. That is why I ignore him.
Well then. That's certainly far more than your previous explanation. Ruen's logic in that discussion did seem to get rather illogical and one-sided at times, but you can't entirely blame him. He is probably Fire Eater's closest friend on the Wiki at this time, in addition to both of them sharing a very similar opinion on LoK.
Ruen has been a bit, well, overly biased when it comes to discussions; he is in the wrong for lot laying off what you said earlier, but in all fairness, you did say that in the first place, just like how Fire Eater insulted the Legend of Korra in the first place and we're still dealing with it now. You are justified in responding to Fire Eater in that way because of his past comments, but the whole "do unto others" philosophy comes into play there: Fire Eater was insulting, and many users attacked him. You acted insulting, and Ruen attacked you.
Look, I know how annoying Fire Eater can be. Heck, I've even tried to help the guy figure out how to not be hated by the community, but not only did he completely blow me off, he also turned around and attacked me. But Fire Eater apologizing for being harsh is a first, from what I've seen. And really, Fire Eater can be great to have a discussion with when he isn't opposed to what's being discussed. So let's just leave it as it is for now.
Well, I was ignoring him for a few reasons. For one thing, it's difficult to actually defend myself from all of that troll crap without dragging my previous correspondences with Fire Eater back under the microscope. And I had agreed to disappear back into the aether & watch events unfold, for the time being.
I dont like when he directly attacks the show without noting its few merits, like
presenting us the aang legacy such as his kids, and the air acolytes,
not counting their home the Air temple island [the only decent place in LOK].
So even a massive critic like me has to recognize LOK merits, despite the
attemps to ruin the previous decent world.
And even he sometimes being a huge troll, I can sometimes recognize his whole angst on LOK and the source of all that daily trolling.
Well, Anon, I too was empathetic, for like a minute. I was even thinking of telling you that you shouldn't accuse Fire Eater of trolling, but I couldn't find the right words for it, & wanted to see what Miles said. But screw that, I'm not anyone's group therapy counselor.
Maybe trolling isnt the right word, thats maybe just the way he is. with harsh critics and all.
but anyways, due to his opinions on LOK I'm starting to respect him by the day.
He's not as irritated as me, but he surely seems to be irritated with all that change and stuff, and adding a bit or two of critics can help a lot! help how?? by introducing a wholly different form of commenting to where everyone just praised and so. ^_^
His main problem isn't his tone, it's that he thinks he can "win" an argument if he can just make everyone else too fed up to continue That doesn't work on so many levels. People want to talk about how he feels "upset," but guess what, anyone can be a good poster when nothing is applying pressure to them, that is not impressive.
I really think that bending will become more and more insignificant if they continue the series further into the future, and if they bypass any guns, they'll either hit modern society or go straight to the futuristic robotic weapons (swords, axes, bows, etc.) that are seen in animes, which I wouldn't really like.
I would personally be way more interested in a prequel. They have hundreds of unnamed and unknown Avatars that have lived millennia before Aang. I would really like to see them explore some past Avatars, or do something of a prequel, like you mentioned. Heck, they could even do an entire series on energybending and the schism between the bending arts. Or something along those lines. I think that Avatar would only become more deluded and stereotypical if they continued into the future. A prequel would be the best way to go.
Steampunk themes and super technologically-advanced medieval weaponry stuff are both pretty common in animes, and that's the direction that Avatar seems to be headed. I loved the originality the first series had, and the second series brought the whole steampunk thing... then the stupid overly dramatic love triangle... then a horribly overused villain cliche for Amon... yeah.
I'm sorry, I don't typically do this (intruding on others messages) however, I was quite intrigued.
First Raiden, I am curious to know where you heared the rumor. Second, I would like to weigh in on this, if you don't mind. Personally, Bryan seems more eager to settle down from the constant rigor of the franchais more than Mike. Ergo, once the story lines of the Legend of Korra terminate I would predict Mike would still be on the team as Bryan spends more time with his wife. Now, should the franchaise be put in someone elses hands I would not know what to expect but I will say I would/will be extremely interested. Much in the same fashion of Star Wars now being owned by Disney. The possibilities are endless and in the right hands either could prosper greatly, which applies to both franchiases.
Now pertaining to your other comments. I believe as tiem progresses in the series bending will be come less and less common, which would be odd to say the least, but interesting nonetheless. It could open up the Avatar world to a whole plethora of possibilites. Now should they go back and do some more things with the history of the avatar world and visit past avatars I would be entirely thrilled. I love the past avatars.
Agreed, however it would make sense. I imagine the team is very tired by now. Also keep in mind when Bryan made that statement books 3 and 4 were not in the works. I can imagine that after LoK the team will want a nice long break.
As for the point on bending becoming progressively less important:
Even though I'm really into the idea of the Equalists and Amon (before he became the epitome of villain stereotypes), I personally don't want to see less of the bending. I just want to see the benders themselves challenged.
For all of the first series, the whole bender/nonbender subject was completely unthought of; they did have a war going on. But I always wondered why no one ever thought of benders and nonbenders as separate entities; they are very different from one another in their abilities and positions. I was excited to see the underdogs of the Avatar world rise up against bending oppression; it would inevitably happen in any society, because it's human nature to sectionalize the population and align oneself with some group or faction. Just look at America's political system, or even any public high school lunch room for that matter.
It was pretty terrible how they made Amon, the symbol for equality and motivating leader and founder of the anti-benders, an overused villain cliche. It would be adding insult to injury if they completely dropped the Equalist movement, or even nonbender oppression, entirely.
...You are aware that the Indistrial Revolution brought things like efficiency and safety into working conditions? In addition, without it, we'd still be using herbs for medicine and not all the advanced things we have today, so the average lifespan of a man would be back to 40 years, if they lived past the first 5 years of their life. That's why people had 8 or more children, in the hopes that one or two survived into adulthood.
Without it, we wouldn't even have Avatar: The Last Airbender. Without industrialization, you would have none of the luxuries around you whatsoever. That means no internet, no running water, no elecrticity, no heating, no decent clothes on your back, no decent food for you to eat... unless you were part of the rich aristocrats, with probably made up less than 1% of the population.
safety into working conditions? it was rather an way to force people into working in unsafe factories and paying them ----.[ok, I dont like to talk about europe IR as I specialize on china because talking about IR makes me sad but lets go then...]
Besides, people had a ton of kids so they can obviously survive [as you said], and for other reasons such as conscription on the military [for example a Ming dynasty policy demanded that at least 1/2 kids go to the army when adult] and many other to work in the fields. Such practice ended/reduced when the industrial revolution DEMANDED a higher cost of living, education,etc leading to present-day condition. and resources [modern people use much more resources than say, han dynasty people].
Besides, less people on the fields as the bloody IR created machines turning people NEARLY useless.
leading to the rural exodus, go to the city and work in the factory,etc etc
all a spiral of death, in which we all know about.
Not counting the:
spiritual damage [as science regards religions, specially those based on rites, as outdated, they only dont say that publicly to avoid getting skinned alive and burned alive by Taoists,muslims,etc] cultural damage [modernity destroy culture,tradition and old way of life]
decent clothes??: people don't run around in Hanfu anymore so meh. [google it] efficiency into work? more like lets make those people jobless by replacing with machines,so they cant complain
because of millions of unemployed people by machinery and overpopulation [led by this same IR] And herbs for medicine are awesome, and I thank the god of agriculture Shen-Nong for that, as he collected and wrote about over 3k types of medicinal herbs.
A good part of that post is valid also for the beautiful world of ATLA, terribly transformed into LOK.
If you're only (or even mostly) speaking to the modernization in the Avatar universe, then I fully agree with you. I don't like the steampunk European mixed with Asian elements they used in the show. I really liked the design and style of the first one better.
If you're talking about indistrualization as a whole... don't take the luxuries around you for granted. You'd hate your life if you had to live without the comforts as simple as a warm bed and house a full meal, running water, and every electrical/plastic product you see.
Obviously, I hate IR/modernization on both worlds [ATLA and RL], but this is surely not the place
to talk about things I hate in the real life, in regards to modernization and other stupidy, as we're talking about ATLA/LOK.
About avatarverse, the thing is; asian elements with western lifestyle,ideals,etc
is basically ridiculous, its like Meiji restoration [japan, late 1800s] on drugs. because at least the ridiculous
pro-restoration little bandits gang there [on japan] westernized
to the irrevesible point of imitating their idols [europeans] hair style,beards,music,technology,etc
overall a inferior embodiement of self-hate and low self esteem. not counting the skyrocketing stupidity of the industrialists to do that with a feudal state.
following european model, instead of converting to the chinese-styled bureaucracy/chain of command of Imperial China.
BUT at least they didn't go the retard way of blending both cultures, which is at least awkward.
So we ended up seeing people with half-Ma gua [manchu jacket] with fedora hats,short hairs+european beards with northern nomadic clothing [mongol,manchu,etc], jazz music and flame-decorated/pointy chinese rooftops,
appearance resembling mid-late 1800s and early 1900 and a human cockfight called probending a deviation of original bending arts surely made to do fanservice at modern-fighting fans.
And to some extent real-life modernization has something to do with this, the simple truth that modernization [RL or avatarverse] ruins traditions,respect,rites,warrior-culture,traditional art,etc etc thus leading the path
into the low-IQ industrialists reality we ended up seeing in that beautiful world. like previously said, that world suffered the same things our RL one has... ¬¬