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Welcome Edit

Hi, welcome to Avatar Wiki. Right now, most of the editing is focused on updating pages due to last week's episodes, mostly the finale, but TSR and TEIP too. Look around and see if there's something that could do updating, remember to check the Talk pages to see the discussions on info. If you have any doubts on how to edit a page, see Help:Editing. Omnibender 13:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

what is FA? Lord Momo 03:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! How did you make that box in your profile? (haha, I guess that's a strange first question on formatting...)

KayalHawK 15:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)KayalHawK

the FA star thing is running wild. Just so you know not all of those articles are featured. Maybe they were featured at one point but now they're not because there is only one featured article that changes every so often. So go look on the main page and see what article is currently featured and put an FA star on that one but not any other articles.Lord Momo 16:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If you wanna take up the meaning of featured with an administrator or even better Howabout1 thats fine but the articles didn't have stars before so until this is settled i think it best to remove the stars. Lord Momo 17:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

thank you peace y'all. Lord Momo 17:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No offense but that really doesn't mean a lot to me coming from you. Lord Momo 01:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

well i knew that already. what i meant was that i'd really like to see that coming from Howabout1. Lord Momo 01:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know I get the feeling Howabout1 really doesn't want me to be an administrator. Lord Momo 02:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

FAEdit

That sounds familiar, didn't you suggest that somewhere else? Felinoel 17:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

That wouldnt be such a bad idea. Maybe start a more formal featured voting/listing system.

In regards to Avatar Wiki:Bureaucrats I'm not sure that page is needed. Im the only 'crat, and there isn't really a load of people trying to become admins. I can handle it easily. Mind if I remove the How to Become a Bureaucrat section, and change it to apply more to this wiki? Howabout1-(Talk) 19:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I never said anything about a l'ami? Felinoel 19:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I mean I remember seeing this suggestion somewhere else, its like a deja vu... Felinoel 02:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, looking forward to it Felinoel 02:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

StarEdit

oh! what does it mean? like the featured article at that time? Newyorkme22 02:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

ah!!! thank you!!!! :) i didnt know this! Newyorkme22 02:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure sounds good, I wouldnt have mind if you just did it. The smaller one looks better though Greekpimp 07:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

About the FA star, do you think it looks better if instead of putting the numerous "::::", put the image to the right? Just put [[Image:FA-star.png|right]] in the feature articles as the first line, and give one line space before the next line. See Kuruk and tell me what you think. Omnibender 12:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

FA and article gradingEdit

I really dont see the need to go to the effort of grading each article. If you and a group of users want to, thats fine. I would like to have stars on past and present featured articles, though. Howabout1-(Talk) 03:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Non-canon articlesEdit

If you are talking about the articles I was talking about on Howabout1's talk page, they are:

They are from the Avatar trading card game and I would like to know why they are here. Alex101313 20:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but Mike and Bryan didn't create them, the trading card company did. Alex101313 20:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, they were made by some random manufacturer that has nothing to do with avatar. They just make the cards. Alex101313 20:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes, to an extent. Alex101313 20:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

They did have an affiliation with the creators/producers to print the cards (otherwise that would possibly be illegal) but they just included 4 extra characters that they came up with that were never supposed to be in the show. Alex101313 20:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I did clarify (above post). Alex101313 20:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, but my definition of cannon is "its only true if its in the series or nick.com". Your definition may include the Trading Card game, but mine (and the admins') doesn't. Alex101313 20:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome. But remember: the admins can block you, it's not wise to call them wrong. Alex101313 20:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

You can continue adding trading card information on this wikia, but also remember to put things like the "Advanced Bloodbending" article on Avatar Fanon Wiki. Also, please spell them "canon" and "fanon". By the way, the word "fanon" is a portmanteau of the words "fan" and "canon". Energybender 20:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Energybender, are you talking to me or him? If you are talking to me i did put advanced bloodbending on the fanon wiki. Alex101313 21:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you ask on his talk page. Also, if the cards are listed as non-canon, why would that be on this wiki for canon information about Avatar?Mattkenn3 20:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Exactly!!!!!! Thats what I have been trying to tell you!!!!!!!! Alex101313 20:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alex101313 21:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you guys may find the canon template useful. Alex101313, would you please sign your above post? I was addressing you because you are involved in the conversation. Energybender 21:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

The Avatar TCG is released by Upper Deck Entertainment. http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/avatar/en/ Energybender 21:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I already used template: canon on the articles, and the forum is a good idea, but the admins want to keep the articles on here for some reason, so i asked howabout1 about it and thats how this whole thing got started. Alex101313 21:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe so, though you may want to check with Howabout1 or Omnibender, but probably the latter since Howabout1 hasn't been on in a while. Energybender 21:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I would just like to point out, if you read the article about Jojo, it states that Mike and Bryan clarifyed (sp.) that the TCG characters as non-canon. Alex101313 21:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, wait. It doesn't say that, but it said that somewhere on this wiki............................somewhere. Alex101313 21:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm just saying..........................Alex101313 21:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Mattkenn3, you may find this Wikipedia article interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Element. Energybender 22:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I took a look around to see everyone's comments so I can give a proper and informed opinion about this. The templates on these characters pages was originally designed to make sense of a few things here for non regular readers, most notably the year system, which is something that while not canon, is used to work with and organize the timeline of events in the series. Don't worry about not agreeing with admins, we don't ban for not agreeing with us, we only ban people for misconduct, be it with ourselves or other members (and that when there's no other way to settle the problem) or just regular vandalism. I don't know where exactly you got that Mike and Bryan designed the characters for the TCG, but that conflicts with out main source to consider them non canon (this interview). We list those characters cause they are part of Avatar related merchandise, if anything we'll just remove the big template, but a note somewhere stating that these characters do not belong to the series will stay somewhere. Omnibender - Talk 00:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly. Me and the other admins consider canon everything that has appeared in the series, info from Mike and Bryan and info from nick.com. Sometimes there's a problem cause years don't add up, but we tend to put Myke and Bryan above nick.com. In the interview I gave you the link, they say that those four characters aren't canon, so despite we listing them due to the merchandising, we don't consider them canon. I'm ok with removing the template from their pages as long as a note is left somewhere explaining that they aren't canon according to the three sources I listed before. Omnibender - Talk 00:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Mattkenn3, you have to understand that tv series canon and what you consider to be canon are the same thing. In the avatars world, these characters don't exist.I'm sorry I'm not trying to be a jerk about it but you need to understand that, otherwise this could spark a major debate that is at the moment unneeded. Alex101313 02:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Vote Edit

If you're still on, would you mind casting a vote for the profile pic at Talk:Sokka? I don't mean to pressure you, but I'm not sure if you're aware of the debate, and I'd like to settle it quickly. Energybender 22:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Mattkenn3, it looks like you had the wrong idea about the message you left me. We are voting for any of the eight choices for an image on Sokka's talk page. Please leave a vote there under any of the eight choices. Also, please leave a space between the last word of your messages and the usual four tildes, please! It looks much better. Energybender 00:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Watch what I'm saying? What was that? I told you about voting, but what was the image you put on my talk page? Energybender 20:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Please stop intentionally trying to make me look bad. I'm sorry I erased your talk page. Let's not carry this any further, okay? Energybender - Talk 22:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

If you get the chance, would you mind casting a vote for the profile image at Talk:Katara? I don't mean to pressure you, but I'm not sure if you're aware of the debate, and I'd like to settle it quickly. Energybender 22:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

QuotesEdit

Hi, It's me again...remember? From above? We were talking about trading card characters? Yes, well anyways, I saw your post on Puragus's talk page and what quotes are you talking about. Sorry to be nosey but I do have an opinion on quotes. Alex101313 - Talk 01:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Puragus really doesn't like quotes apparently. Well, let me know when he gets back to you and we'll talk about it from there. Thanks! Alex101313 - Talk 01:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Not that I know of, no. Alex101313 - Talk 01:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll remember that. Thanks. Alex101313 - Talk 01:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Puragus really needs to get back to you. Superflash101 has been adding quotes on all of the character pages and I'm not sure I agree with it, however I'm not going to change it because its not really hurting anything. I would just like to have a formal discussion with him and you about this. To see what I'm talking about, see Jet and Azula. Thank you. Alex101313 - Talk 00:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not so sure about it either. I already asked Puragus about it so we'll see what happens. Alex101313 - Talk 01:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

SokkaEdit

I actually did not have a problem with the picture lighting from the beginning so it's not my call. Alex101313 - Talk 02:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

More Useless Pages.Edit

Man it's really annoying when we have to keep putting these things up for deletion. Nobody really seems to get how useless these articles are. I am talking about Codes and How to make your own film like avatar. Its wasting my time and your time that's for sure. Alex101313 - Talk 22:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:QuotesEdit

Hello! Sorry it took so long to reply to your message. Shortly after I put that rant on the Admin Talk page, something came up IRL, and I didn't have time for a while to do anything here. I see you'd like to to become part of the discussion concerning quotes. I originally put it on the admin talk page, because I thought it would be for admins only. However, you should be part of the discussion if you want to be, and Alex too, so I can see about either creating a forum where any registered user can respond, something we've never done before, but I assume we can do, or we can start something on a character's talk page. Thank you. Please get back to me as I discuss this with the other admins. Puragus - Talk 23:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Are Puragus and the other admins ready to have a discussion concerning quotes yet? I want to get this over with as soon as possible. Alex101313 - Talk 21:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Great because you have probably noticed the quotes are becoming out of hand, but I can't do anything about it because it has not been discussed. I hate being powerless! Alex101313 - Talk 22:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok poor choice of words on my part. By powerless I meant I could not help the quote issue because it simply has not been talked about. I'm sorry if you took that comment the wrong way. I just feel like I can't do anything about an issue that is hurting the community. Its as if you saw a puppy in the middle of the street being hurt and you couldn't do anything about it. Both you and I are respected users of Avatar wiki and I was not questioning who is better than whom and like you said, we all work together on one cause. Again, I apologize if you took the comment the wrong way. Alex101313 - Talk 22:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

You might like to know that the discussion on quotes has (finally) started on Avatar Wiki talk:Community Portal, so you can share your opinions about the quotes with other users there.

You're absolutely right about a community forum where users discuss policy, btw, and that's what the community portal is supposed to do. However, it's rarely used for some reason, only when something like this comes up. I suppose it could be because things usually run pretty smoothly here, and this wiki is well organized and relatively small, for a wiki that's so comprehensive. Still, I think it's a problem that the portal is so rarely used. I only remembered it was there just today. You seem fairly experienced with running a wiki. Do you have any suggestions for getting people more involved with it? Puragus - Talk 09:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Admin applicationsEdit

We're not having them anytime soon, there are plenty of administrators already (8), plus, there's no need to have more administrators, the Wiki isn't big enough to have more than that. Omnibender - Talk 23:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but I asked an admin this question for a reason. There is very good reasoning behind asking an admin what it takes, or how it is. And please, when leaving messages on my talk page, obey the alphabetical organization, put simple statements in the "Messages" section and interrogative statements in the "Questions" section, and seeing if a statement you are speaking of corresponds to a previous one. Thank you. Energybender - Talk 00:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... You do have a point there. Maybe, just maybe one or two more admins. More would probably be asking for trouble. But I also agree with Omni. I understand your continuity method of thinking but I also understand the consequences of doing so. Things could get too heated up. Trust us to do the right thing for the right reasons. One more thing: Please discuss/notify Deletion Proposals on the Avatar Wiki:Votes for Deletion Page or theCategory Talk:Candidates for speedy deletion Page. That way everyone can easily get involved. Putting them on User Talk Pages is just taking up space. Thanks. - Zero - Talk 03:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Junk ArticlesEdit

I can name a few off the top of my head:

Those are just a few I will let you know if I find more. Alex101313 - Talk 02:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sokka's PictureEdit

Your Opinion has been noted but the discussion is over. Accept it. - Zero - Talk 06:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion ProposalsEdit

I looked over your deletion proposals. The only one I agree with is "Zuko's firebending", which I already deleted, and possibly "Avatar Fan Sites". The others I'm either flat out against deleting, or I'm hesitant about.

New Series isn't a very good article, but I don't think it's really supposed to be. After the finale, I raised the question about what we were going to do in the future, when/if the creators decided to make a new series. I figured it was never too early to talk about it, and the page for the New Series was made. I realize that this article could be better, but again, I think it's never too early to have a blueprint, or something in this wiki for what may come in the future.

The Legend So Far an avatar clip show, and was essentially 11-minute long an episode. I feel it should be here, for no other reason that it was an aired Avatar episode. There should be a discussion about it.

Hu Xin Provinces is definitely canon. But you have a point about it being very short. There should be a discussion about it in the future. Personally, I feel almost the same way about it that I feel about The Legends So Far, that it should be there for no other reason that it's a canon part of the show.

Little Boy, and Prickle Snake...These are tough for me. We DEFINITELY need to set a standard for "how minor is too minor" for character and animal pages. We deleted Than's sister for being too minor, but we kept some pages here that are essentially the same. We've never been able to figure out a standard for deleting a page based on minor-ness, and what we need are a fuxed set of rules or some kind of test to determine this sort of thing.

Thanks, I hope you've helped start a dialogue so we can resolve these issues.

(PS: reading between the lines, I get the feeling you've got some problems with the way this wiki is managed. Do you? Specifically, do you think the admins and the 'crat here are too authoritative? I'd really like to hear your opinion on this subject.)

Oh I found an article that may need deleting: Skunk Bear. You said you were looking for them. Thanks. Alex101313 - Talk 02:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

ReviewEdit

Taking in consideration your views about the Wikia's administration (and you've been very clear about it), I'd like you to review my administration, don't hesitate in provide constructive criticism if you have it, that's hard to come by. Oh, if my activity here drops suddenly, it's because I'm gone crazy with exams which will define which college I'll get into. Omnibender - Talk 22:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I just want to say that you are the first one to really say something against the admins and the first one to really stick against them so I want to thank you for that. I previously stated that it was not wise to call them wrong but you are right, there are many flaws within the wiki system and some admins (no names mentioned) that really should come on here more often or should say "You know what, I'll let somebody else give it a try". And also, when you review Omnibender's administration, tell him that I said he is on here very often and I appreciate that kind of commitment especially from a high school student. And one last question, do you listen to Green Day? Alex101313 - Talk 23:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

In a wiki this small, it may seem redundant to have the number of admins there are, but since that is the case, the admins each being given a formal rundown of their administration seems to be a good idea, and fair. By the way Mattkenn3, as Alex stated, it is all right to critique admins' policies, as long as it is kept to being constructive (counterexamples present on KevinAvatar's old talk page where he did not accept his mistakes and continued to cause trouble; bear with me if the link fails). Keep up the good work and it will be fair game should adminship applications open again. And if you were wondering about the format of my talk page, I keep it that way to jump easily to a section I want to see. I don't believe it ruins flow, it helps me out. I'm open to any comments. Energybender - Talk 00:22, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

AuthoritarianismEdit

You have to understand, part of the reason why the admins became so authoritarian is that we had problems with a few registered users in the past who were, frankly, abusive and psychotic, and who were allowed to do damage to the wiki for far longer than they should have in the name of "restraint" and "fairness". Part of the reason the admin talk page was created was so we'd have a place to discuss policy without these users harassing us. After a long fiasco with a user named Kevin, we admins essentially started dictating policy, in order to make the wiki run more smoothly. That's not to say we stopped encouraging discussion; quite the opposite, most admins enthusiastically encourage discussion and we all listen to the opinions of the users. It's just that after those earlier, it was usually an admin who had the final say on a debate, which I think goes a little too far. However there's been improvement in that area; the introduction of voting has made things more democratic. Still, I'd like it if we could move things back to being more free, yet still have the ability to keep people from ruining it. My suggestion: a set of policies that everyone, be it bureaucrat, admin, registered or unregistered user can follow.

Zero can be a little hotheaded, and it can make him seem dictatorial, but he's a really helpful user. I don't think the wiki would be as organized as it is without his templates. Still, I do agree that he could improve his adminship style.

He is right about one thing though, even if he was a little overly zealous in stating it: this is not Wikipedia. That's not something the admins here came up with, it's been a general policy for this wiki not to conform to Wikipedia's standards since before I was a registered user. A lot of us edit here because we hate dealing with Wikipedia's bulls**t rules. One of the things that frustrates me about Wikipedia is the long article rule; they're so concerned with keeping the articles short, that they completely miss the fact that a lot of the articles are unreadable. People end up cramming lots of information into little paragraphs, and as a result, the article gets unfocused. The information doesn't get the length it deserves, and you can't get anything out it. Alternatively, there's only a general overview that rarely goes into anything specific. (That's not to say that there aren't exceptions, but even the exceptions can fall to these flaws a little bit). As long as writing in the article is focused, concise, readable, informative, comprehensive and relevant, then the article is just long enough. (And don't even get me started in the In-Universe Writing Style). I'm just explaining this because you seemed a little baffled by the the long articles here.

Looking forward to getting constructive criticism so we can make this wiki better. Puragus - Talk 23:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm just wondering because they take action against something they think is very wrong and they don't believe in sitting back as something wrong goes on. It is for that reason they have hundreds of thousands of fans. I support that kind of attitude and that's what I saw from you in that admin review. Alex101313 - Talk 03:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Your view of admins Edit

Hey, you probably know who I am, and that I haven't been active for a month or two. I just read your user page, and skimmed a couple other applicable talk pages, as well as your admin reviews. I thought you might like some input from me. I for one don't like the way some admins used their power, but at the same time, they are supposed to be a little more than normal users with additional abilities. At least on this wikia, they are. Admins are supposed to be a form of authority, to avoid chaos. There are some things that should really only be determined by admins, and in those situations, let them do it. At the same time, they should never try to silence another view point.

This is not that big of a wikia, a good handful of admins is more than enough, and more aren't needed. With regards to certain inactive admins, I don't have a problem with that. Wack'd was a friend of mine when I started this wikia three years ago. I wanted a little help, and asked him. He lost interest in the wiki, which is more than understandable. In order to remove him from his position, that would require taking up time from wikia staff, which I don't want to do for something that doesn't help any one. Greekpimp was the most active user at a time when there were no active admins, so I made him an admin and a 'crat. No one ever said that admins have to be active. If there is ever a lack of active admins, more will be made.

Now, I hadn't intended to go ahead and write a page when I sat down to do this, but here you have it. Anyone who reads this can take what they want from it. This isn't meant as agreeing or disagreeing with anyones views, just addressing a problem that I see has come up. Howabout1-(Talk) 04:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:User of the Month Edit

I kind of thought that, but it's best for everyone to completely know what they are considering to pass. That involves all the work into doing it, and what it would be like. The use of this template is quite simplistic so that may be to your advantage, but at least now it is completely clear of how it works for any (un-knowledgeable about templates) user. Thanks Joey - Talk 23:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

If you want to look her up, go ahead. I've tried and can't really find anything. A picture would be nice, and any other things to mention. We won't delete it because it is a Major Secondaries' voice actresses article, and we won't to have them all. Thanks. Joey - Talk 23:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and to reply to your comment on Puragus's Talk page, User:Prankstagangsta has been blocked for Infinite by Omnibender. Thanks. Joey - Talk 23:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I've had the same luck with that article, but there is nothing we can do. We want to have an article for every voice actor/actress and if that means having an article that is one line, that is necessary. I made it simply because Zero told me too (I think it was him at least. Joey - Talk 23:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that although they may not appear professional, they contain all the miscellaneous information in an article from the translations of things, to things that may be excluded from the article. It has a list of everything extra you may want to know about an article, like trivia, it's just trivial knowledge. Joey - Talk 00:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes I was only just about to say that within seconds of Joey posting. Also, Wikipedia does not approve of trivia sections and they even have a template for it, but this is wikia. This is a whole other community and is trying to break away from Wikipedia and we are not about to adopt their high standards. Even ask Zero, there was one case when a user thought some of the articles were too long (another Wikipedia concern). It ended with a very long lecture. Alex101313 - Talk 00:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

We use Behind the Scene on some articles, usually Episode ones, but yes we could organize it, but whether going through over 700 articles and making it aplabetical or whatever is worth it is quite debatable. Joey - Talk 00:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean exactly by organized manor? Alex101313 - Talk 01:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I think we should have trivia listed and yes it could probably do with some organizing. Alex101313 - Talk 01:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Howabout1Edit

I hate to say this but its none of your concern. Its admin business. You might be an admin one day but you're not one yet. Please respect the privacy of our conversations until then. However since you're so curious to know, Howabout1 is the Founder of the Avatar Wikia. He has power greater than the other Admins. The Power to make new admins and the power to demote existing admins through request to Wikia Sysop Personnel rests with him. He has been instrumental in keeping peace among admins. But enough about that. Its none of your concern and I'll thank you to remember it. Sorry for seeming harsh but its better if you find out right now that there is a line that normal/regular users cannot cross. I've been around a while and I've seen what happens to those users who do so. Its for your own betterment. Good Editing. - Zero - Talk 10:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Think about it Mattkenn; if admins had no place where they could talk in private, then any IP or untrustworthy user could come to where they talk and mess it up. The admins work together to keep this place running, so don't you think their matters are important? It just common sense. Energybender - Talk 23:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Listen to me very carefully Mattkenn3. I'm only gonna say this once so you'd better listen to me with your full concentration. You're an idealist, but this world is not an ideal one. If you've been an admin on some other wikia then you havent faced the same challenges as we have. Here on Avatar Wikia most of the business is for everyone but there are some things that are purely admin business. Listen, I see potential in you. You could become a great admin but not as you are now. Frankly I find some of your ideas like the adminship review as highly insulting. Did you even ask me before you decided to post your comments about me for evryone to read. No, I think not. How much do you know aboout me anyway? You've only known me for a month. Despite that I kept quiet. I thought that its okay if people get a laugh out of it. Then you pitch this user of the month idea which I think is a really bad idea because it can cause conflicts when people try to outdo one another, but despite my hesitating thoughts I also thought that if everyone else was for it then why not? So you see I'm not attacking you, I'm not even against you. In fact I've never even used my adminship powers to block anyone yet. I just dont want to see you ending up in the same category as RobyKing or Kevin. Boy were they interfering busybodies. Like I said before, I see potential in you. But you gotta drop this pure idealist attitude. Things never get solved that way. Oh and another thing. Here admin business is admin business it would be better if you stayed out of it. Sorry for seeming harsh or blunt but that is just the way I am, I never did like beating around the bush. If you have any other things you'd like to discuss then go ahead, but drop the rest okay. Trust me its better that way. - Zero - Talk 10:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I thank you for your post. It has helped me understand your motives even better and now I can safely say that you are definately not in Kevin or RobyKing's category. However, you are free to refuse a point but it wont do any good. Somethings like blocking are strictly admin business. Also Howabout1 is more than an admin/bureucrat. A while ago I got into a heated argument with Felinoel (another Admin). If it had'nt been for Howabout1 it could have turned out nastier. See thats what I mean. Some things are just better left to admins alone. Trust me on this. Its far better that way. Otherwise things just keep on and on and on. Hoever you are entitled to your opinions and just like that we are entitled to ours. It's just the natural order of things. Lol. - Zero - Talk 08:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

That's why we have the community talk page as well. For discussions related to everyone we talk there. I mean seriously have you seen a discussion on the admin talk page that concerns normal/regular users specifically, except for the blocking. Okay maybe the quotes one does fall into that category but other than that. - Zero - Talk 04:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

New cat Edit

Could you put the Avatar State images in Category:Avatar State images instead? This way all the categories follow the same name format. Omnibender - Talk 16:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Wulong ForestEdit

That is interesting. I thought it was based off the Petrified Forest. Puragus ^Talk 17:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

They do look really similar. I think it's interesting to see the creative process, how the creators make the show and where they get their ideas. I watched City of Walls and Secrets with the DVD commentary, and they talked about how they used all their reverence photographs of the Hidden City to design Ba Sing Se. Puragus ^Talk 17:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

RE Nice editing & about the Episode imagesEdit

Thanks for the appreciation. I note with amusement and approval your little (probably an understatement) arguments with the admins, especially over the admin reviews. You know, one of the first things I noticed about this wikia is the authoritarian nature of the admins. The admins do great work for this wiki, I have seen their skill, but it is funny to watch them fight each other and other users. Its nice to see someone attempt to take the fight to them. I want to thank you in that respect, because it makes sure other users are heard. The 888th Avatar 03:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and while I'm at it, is there a policy saying that the episode pages should not have more than one image? It seems like it, because every episode page has just one image, inside the info template. It doesn't improve the look of the page. The 888th Avatar 03:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks. The 888th Avatar 22:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

DeletionEdit

You are being pushy. LOL. I've already told this to Energybender. You dont go around telling admins to resolve deletion debates. They will be resolved in time. There is no big rush. Please dont tell us things that we already know. Now if it was a voting on a matter being discussed on an article talk page then it would have been a completely different matter but when you tell people something they already know then they might get annoyed. Thanks Anyways. - Zero - Talk 05:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thats Ok. You know its nice to have people who really care for the wiki. - Zero - Talk 15:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Umm better if you tread carefully. Kevin is an extremely touchy subject. Seriously. - Zero - Talk 15:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppets? - Zero - Talk 16:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Later, and put it on the commmunity page. Remember to sign your posts as well, please. - Zero - Talk 17:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

MovingEdit

It might have been better if you had discussed the movement on the Talk Page before you did it. Otherwise it could cause disruptions. Its okay this time so long as you remember the next time. - Zero - Talk 16:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

S'OK just remember and learn. I was a slip up in the beginning too when I was on wikipedia. I accidently broke the three revert rule in ignorance. But I learned and so can you. - Zero - Talk 16:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Dont change that. Its an imporatant part of the page. It explains why the book was released before the episodes were aired. It has historical significance. - Zero - Talk 16:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

See the first post of the section. There is a link in it to Uberfuzzy's Discussion Page. See the posts there. Look and you'll understand. - Zero - Talk 16:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

We dont know the original planned release date so I've edited the article with the information we do have. I believe its acceptable now. - Zero - Talk 16:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Read the Talk Page. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. The Page's History overview is there. The article's creation was a brilliant plan by yours truly. Possibly my best here. - Zero - Talk 16:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yup, the last one. I signed it for you. - Zero - Talk 17:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

In time. Normally we dont write up policies we just agree on the best course of action to take and then we do it. Circunstances also play a very important role you know. - Zero - Talk 17:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:Re:Sunbender and Kevo...Edit

Thank you Mattkenn. I have to admit, when I first saw the edit it puzzled me and I never really thought it was important in any way, shape, or form until I saw the discussion on the community portal. If I do need any assistance with anything, you will be the first one I talk to. By the way, I love the word art that you posted on top of your talk page. Alex^Talk 21:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

You too. Alex^Talk 22:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:Why are you on?Edit

I have a few free minutes to do a few edits I wanted to do for a while. No big projects right now, but I can be here untill one, before I meet my study group. Puragus ^Talk 17:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about me. I take good notes, even in classes taught by a**holes (a few professors whose names I won't mention) Puragus ^Talk 17:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I won't go into too much detail, but I will say I'm attending a small, catholic (not too catholic. You just see a few priests around who occasionally teach classes, but it's not a crazy religious place) college in the New York area. It's a good school that's pretty highly rated. I'm hoping to transfer to Emerson college, an art college in Boston where I'll major in writing. Wow, I guess that is quite a bit of detail, lol. Puragus ^Talk 17:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Woah, wait...I'm sorry, I think there's a little confusion. I'm not angry at all, at you or Energybender. I'll admit, when I saw that both of you were saying this, I felt a little taken aback and bemused, but I was never angry with either of you. Surprised and bemused, yes, but not angry. I should have tried to make that clear on Energybender's talk page, I'm sorry. Sometimes I type without thinking about what I'm saying, and because you can't hear my "tone" over the internet, you could get the impression that I was being hostile. That wasn't the case at all. I'm sorry I saved my changes without thinking through what I wrote first, my bad. (I really should know to do that, since it's happened before). Puragus ^Talk 23:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Um...I see you were on, but didn't reply. Are you mad? Because I apologize, and I feel really bad about this. EDIT: I forgot the "I", lol! I apologize, and I'm not demanding that you apologize! Puragus ^Talk 03:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

You haven't responded to me, so I wonder: did you read the last two posts, right above this one? Puragus ^Talk 06:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, that clears things up. Good luck, and study hard :)Puragus ^Talk 23:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

My inactivity Edit

I would make another user a 'crat, but I don't think its needed. I know I've been a kind of stabilizing presence in a few things on this wiki, but what in particular would make it hard to run a wiki without a 'crat? When I left, Requests for Adminship had been closed because well over half the active users seemed to be admins. I wasn't under the impression this had changed. If it has, please let me know and I'll reopen them. I still don't think I would edit regularly here, but I could certainly handle two or three admin requests if it was needed to run the wiki. Howabout1-(Talk) 01:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

True, that's a good enough point. I'll see about doing that. Howabout1-(Talk) 03:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I think I know everyone enough to make the decision, but thank you. Howabout1-(Talk) 03:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet templateEdit

Lol I love that template! Alex^Talk 02:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk Page SectionsEdit

Mattken3. Please add messeges in the same section instead of making new sections with two added to the original heading. Thats how things work here. Making new sections for the same discussion can lead to problems in understanding the discussion properly. This goes for all talk pages. Whether they are article, template or user talk pages. Thank You. - Zero - Talk 13:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Book 3 ImagesEdit

Alright, an issue has come up! The 888th Avatar and I are currently discussing a possible new main image for Katara and Toph from book 3. Would you like to vote? The discussion can be found at Talk:Katara. Thank you! Alex^Talk 15:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:Template:Userbox Edit

If you support it, then don't advertise it. Joey - Talk^Contribs 02:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. I noticed your joking tone, and I mean no disrespect with what I said. I assumed you would have got it as a joke too. Joey - Talk^Contribs 23:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I see, but I find the most efficient policy is just optimism. Unless you're in a specific fight with someone, you can usually assume the best. But, that's just all I do. Smiles also help :P. But, that is just me. Joey - Talk^Contribs 00:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

If you're for optimism and smiles, try this uncreated template:

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Energybender has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding a smile to their talk page with a friendly message.

Energybender 00:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:My grammar Edit

You made the mistake here, so I wanted you to be aware of that. Also on Puragus's talk page, you mentioned finals. Are you a college student? Energybender 22:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am as well. When I started to find out most admins here were college-aged, I was a little shocked that they had found Avatar interesting let alone its wiki. I didn't have such an open mind to the thought. Energybender 23:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!Edit

Hello, Alex here wishing everyone happy holidays and I look forward to editing with you guys in 2009! Alex^Talk 03:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

fire navy officer Edit

can you help me out sonic90127 thinks that the fire navy oficer in the awakining is mark hamill but he has no proof he just says they sound the same. check his talk. Luvingazula 21:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

thanks. Luvingazula 21:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

myself Edit

well i first game here in dec 2008 under the name of azulalove but i was blocked with over (200 edits) then i made lovingazula and i was blocked because i shared an ip as a vandal with about (400 edits) and now i am back with luvingazula with over 500 edits so if you add them up i have about 1100 edits. Luvingazula 22:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

but i only count luvingazula's edits as mine Luvingazula 22:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

well the first time i accitently ruined a page. second it was not me who was the vandal.Luvingazula 22:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey!Edit

Hey Mattkenn! Its been awhile! Okay, I just wanted to warn you about Luvingazula, stay away. Other then that, happy editing! Alex^Talk 22:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, Mattkenn3! A lot has changed in your absence (including myself - over 3000 edits now!). About Luvingazula, if he has any irrelevant questions, refer them to me, I'll answer them. It's good to see you back. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 01:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Your goal of having more admins Edit

...I almost forgot. You know how you wanted more administrators on this wiki? We got more. Energy, Joey and myself. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 10:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations Edit

Congratulations, you are now a member of the A-class Articles Council. First task: get rid of that backlog of articles. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 01:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Basically, I need that list of nominations on the A-class Articles Council page discussed. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 21:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay, thanks! The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 22:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

AzulaLover I was talking about the avatar movie and who I think should play in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AzulaLover (talk • contribs) 22:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I haven't said "Welcome back" to you yet, so I'm saying it now, with my congratulations. We've both undergone promotions now. --Energybender 15:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I just want to let you know that what you said on Energybender's talk page is true, rollback is not a promotion per se. It is, however, a form of recognition. It means we trust you around here. Just felt like you should know that. Welcome back, btw. Puragus ^Talk 16:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

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