I'm trying to hotlink an image, but I can't get it to work in the sliderbox. Do you have any suggestions or codes that could fix that? It would be really appreciated, thanks!
Hi again. Having had the time to read through the guide completely to gauge correctness and thoroughness, I have found both to be somewhat lacking, unfortunately. Secondly, I do not see why wiki categorization need to be elaborated on the BSST, as that is more than adequately covered by our extensive categorization policies for both fanon and canon.
On past BSST help guides, the content was usually on more complex processes regarding topics such as wikitext coding, usage of certain templates, or illumination of useful features of the wiki that were not generally known about. Categorization is not an aspect of the wiki that is widely unknown to most users, nor are there difficulties in finding correct editing guidelines on it.
To sum up, is there any other topic you could create an informative piece on? Or, just to give you a new idea to which you might be more partial, may I suggest that you could give an opinion/speculative piece on the Air Nomads? That would also be acceptable.
I understand. Go ahead and give me an idea. I can't really think of anything else. opinion about the Air Nomads? That's great but I don't really think I can make it long enough.
Excellent. I'm sure you'll be able to come up with something - given your experience with writing up articles on this wiki. So, I'll be leaving it at your discretion. Have a nice night.
It's not my job to tell BSST contributors exactly what they should write - if you have an idea to write about something, you write about it and submit it to see if it will be featured on the newsletter. If you don't currently have an idea, then you have no need to write about anything until you either find one, or one comes to you.
Yes, the comic articles are one of the areas in which you're writing up sections, is it not?
No I mean. The Air Nomads idea is brilliant but I just don't know how to make it long enough. Other then categorization I can't think of something else. Though, I'll get back to you if I'll come up with something.
KMP, Thanks. Comic articles is what I'm currently focused on. Probably when I finish creating articles for every comic book, I'll start something else. I also started uploading images which most of them, for my surprise, are approved.
Hi. Provided that the usergroup is up and running, and is in its 2 week grace period, I can definitely include a short column from you advertising the group.
Is there any way that this can be made easier by a bot transition or should it all be done manually?
Wouldn't it be possibly to run a program changing every " in "[[episode name]]". " to just " .[relevant reference] "? If so, that would be awesome if you could run such a program as it would take care of the biggest part of the change.
I wish there was, but no. Mostly because those references are most likely already on the page, so the old one should be changed to <ref name=whatever>{{Cite episode|whatever|whatever}}</ref> and the first occurrence of that reference to <ref name=whatever /><nowiki>.
Is that really necessary? Cause if we would leave that be, then would be possible to just change it to <ref name=whatever /> for the quote, right? All ref names should have the same name -and an abbreviation list was made, so that can easily be checked.
The only downside would indeed be that there is then a possibility that the reference number in the quote would not read "1", but wouldn't the easy change via bot, the time that is saved by that, outweigh to very minor downside of that number not being entirely chronologically correct? I mean, I get why it would preferably be done otherwise, but the easy change just seems so much more beneficial than chronology at the moment ^^.
Adding the ref as you have suggested Lostris would alter the numbering so that the ref in the quote would be [1], so there wouldn't be any chronological issues.
Not necessarily, as that would depend on the number the reference is used on the page for the first time.
Never mind, it would indeed always turn up as 1, which solves the problem, imo. Cause sure, then the the chronology on page wouldn't entirely be correct, but on the other hand, I believe in this case the easiness of the change far outweighs the "benefit" of "first instance = full reference" habit, but that's perhaps just me.
I altered the quote on Aang to show what I mean. The numbering system labels the first ref, regardless of whether it uses a template or not, as [1], and then the rest as 2, 3, etc.
The other "issue" we might get is when two refs are together, normal format is to place the lower numbered ref first (ie. [1][25] not [25][1]), but this change will mess up some of the ordering.
That said, I think both those issues are something that could be cleaned up over time, rather than worrying about them now, and I agree that the ease of using a bot to make the changes far outweighs any small aesthetic issues.
Lady Lostris wrote:
Btw, isn't the forum consensus for just replacing the episode names with references as opposed to references and a description?
I was under the impression the consensus was to include the descriptor as noted in the original proposal. This is consistent with quotes on the episode pages themselves, which include a small sentence rather than "Katara to Aang" for example.
If chronology is not an issue per the source mode policy, then great. But still, when making a script like this, we need to account for all possibilities, i.e., assume that there is a quote from every single episode. That is, we'd need to make a rule for every single one of them:
Replace "in [[The Boy in the Iceberg]]" with <ref name=BI />;
Replace "in [[The Avatar Returns]]" with <ref name=AR />;
And so on and so forth for 73 episodes, one by one. And even if that wasn't a tedious and time consuming chore, are those ref names overall accurate? I've stumbled upon different names for the same episodes on different articles.
In general, all the ref names should be the same, as they have been systematically made consistent over time in line of this list.
I know that it would be a tedious job to write such a script, but wouldn't that be the same for when it is left to change manually? There are over 500 pages using quote boxes which need to be changed. If the largest chunk of that change could be taken care of by bot, then the few mistakes that will undoubtedly occur will be taken out manually -which I believe, if we were to do it like that, would still be less time consuming than doing it all manual to start with.
(A minor note though, it would be changing "in [[The Boy in the Iceberg]]." with .<ref name=BI />)
I know I have easy talking since I wouldn't be making the bot scripts, but based on the scale of the task, I do think this would be the easiest and most convenient way to go around. Though if you don't think so, then my solution to do it manually would be to enter it all into AWB and then change it from there.
HammerOfThor wrote:
I was under the impression the consensus was to include the descriptor as noted in the original proposal. This is consistent with quotes on the episode pages themselves, which include a small sentence rather than "Katara to Aang" for example.
I was under the impression that we would just replace them by the reference without more explanation, based on the idea of "if the main quote needs more explanation to make sense, then the main quote isn't good enough". It also makes little sense to me to change the way the majority of the quotes is presented with the lesser used blockquotes, than to just remove the extra info from the blockquotes to be in line with the main quotes -if we absolutely want them to be the same, cause I don't see why they could not remain as they have always been thus far.
Lady Lostris wrote:
Though if you don't think so, then my solution to do it manually would be to enter it all into AWB and then change it from there.
Umm, actually that's what I meant when talked about "script" and assume it was that you were referring to. ^^
Lady Lostris wrote:
I was under the impression that we would just replace them by the reference without more explanation, based on the idea of "if the main quote needs more explanation to make sense, then the main quote isn't good enough".
Yeah, after all, the point of this change is to leave things as if no change has been made: before there were labels, now they should be in-universe refs. If those contextual descriptions weren't deemed necessary before, then that doesn't change now.
That's why I said "in general" and made a note of a manual correction of the mistakes that would undoubtedly occur. I was planning on doing the change via AWB like that, but then I asked to do it by bot just because it can then be flagged an hidden from the RC -cause +500 changes is considered a massive flood imo ^^".
If you'd like, I'll otherwise compile the list for you and then all you have to do it execute it with your flagged bot (that and copy/paste it fist of course . . . which would still take up time, but less than creating it yourself, so just let me know how you want to do it ^^")
I must have missed that discussion, since I wasn't aware that had been decided.
That said, I don't see what issue there is in adding a couple of extra words to the sentence so that it reads better. What I was thinking when I included that originally was something along the lines of the descriptors used on episode page quotes (like here for example), or the captions added onto images. A few extra words, that adds some information to the quote that otherwise wouldn't be obvious. The quote for Appa is a good example here, since the quote and episode don't make it obvious the quote is from Aang and Appa's very first meeting, but the descriptor can clarify this. In my mind, such additions make the quote better, not worse.
The main quotes have "survived" without such extra explanation thus far, I don't see why we should start changing that now, especially since this change is just about replacing the episode names with a reference.
Hello. Lots of conversation on my wall - unfortunately, I don't have as much time as I would like to contribute meaningfully to it. As has been stated, there is no quick way to address this problem in an automated fashion.
However, I have one other solution. I am prepared to lend KMB temporarily for whatever duration of time that is required to our most esteemed content editor, Lady Lostris, and if she willing to do so, she can carry out all the desired and planned changes herself by AWB - without incurring a flood of edits, and thus, complaints. I believe that this is an acceptable resolution?
That is fine by me if you don't mind -though to be clear, I will solely be changing the episode names to their reference counterparts as that system has been sufficient so far.
Done. I believe all the relevant points have been discussed? Then, I am off for tonight - anyway, all of you, don't crowd my wall for too long... Or else.
This is actually too ironic and quite sad . . . I was the most vocal opposition and now I am the one of all people to actually execute the change . . . Somehow, that just feels wrong.
Done As predicted, there are inconsistencies with some of the ref names on some of the pages, but those minor things can be sifted out manually (as is being done as I type this). Thanks for lending me the flagged bot (which is so handy, I got to make work of getting around to learn pywiki and all that stuff so "deals" like this are no longer needed ^^").
The "Graphics" section attributed to Water Spout isn't really a position per se - the current design with our main logo is just credited as his contribution to the newsletter. However, with that said, we'll definitely consider coming to you if we have any need of new graphics.
If you like, you can look through our archives and see what other users have done previously. However, contributions to the BSST are generally pretty freestyle - all we really expect is an acceptable level of writing, non-intrusive formatting, and topics relating to the series or the wiki. That's pretty much it.
Like I said, until we have a good need for graphics - and subsequently, someone to make graphics regularly for us - I don't really see the point of doing that. To be blunt, we need columns far more than we'll probably ever need graphics in any case - and the reference to Water Spout is but accreditation to his work years ago in composing the newsletter's main theme.
It doesn't really speak or pertain to an issue/event on the series or the wiki in general - it reads more like an autobiography, which does not have much relevance in respect to these two things. So, if you can change it up and write something on either of the two above, I can include it on the next edition.
Well, really, any idea you come up with regarding community issues, paying homage to certain aspects of the wiki, a thought-provoking opinionated analysis on the series, producing skits, help-guides on certain wiki processes/editing etc. would be quite acceptable.
The fanon topic is too narrow in scope, isn't very relevant, and it's very tangential, tbh. As a note, it's not my job to majorly edit the contributions of others - the final draft handed to me should be pretty much the main product.
Thought I'd mention this, sorry ^^" From what I understand, any topic would be acceptable so long as it addresses actual elements of the wiki or the user population. The actual writer of the article generally isn't considered a newsletter topic. And if it's fanon article, this definitely applies to the WLS.
For both newsletters, contributions also refer really to a submission of your own ideas and work, so generally speaking the staff wouldn't be the ones deciding for you what to include. Just some things I'd encourage you to consider for later :)
As a deputy editor, I still respectfully leave decisions to KMP, who's chief editor. While I do tend to regulate fanon-related contributions to the newsletter, however, as usual I don't have any issues with his judgment. I did see your contribution, and it focuses solely on you. Fanon articles can be self-advertisements, but the article should really be focused on fanon (literally, either the story or writing itself), and not so much the author. Otherwise it's a topic about just you, which isn't suitable for a public newsletter. Sorry about that, but hopefully this made any sense ^^"
A paragraph isn't really a sufficient length for an article...sorry. Also, there's nothing anywhere that mentions anything about a fanon's story, or about writing - and on that note, I say "writing" as in an actual literary content, not a stated fact that someone happens to write.
UA, I advise you not to seek to contribute an article for the sole purpose of contributing. It's not to be seen as something to praise your own name, and the true *contribution* should be to the community. Please consider this in the future, put thorough effort into it, and take the time to at least lengthen it past 8 sentences. Sorry again.
That's pretty much the same thing - you want to publish, but mainly for the publishing and self-advertising aspect. Not for what we generally prefer, which is the 'desire to help the community' aspect.
How about you think of it this way: Can you write one that you think will actually help someone besides yourself?
Anything that you feel would help a writer is game - which could mean a lot of things, so it usually shouldn't be too difficult to think of a topic. The writing and 'brainstorming ideas' is entirely independent and is your responsibility, so you should really only be consulting the staff once it's done.
For now, just have the article finished first - with thorough effort - and show staff when you feel it's at its best.
Great. Since Minnichi is the fanon expert for the newsletter, the advice she has given is definitely invaluable - so it's good if you can take it to heart. Anyway, I think this little tangent is finished, and I believe all of us have other better things to do than to sit around and talk about the newsletter. So, both of you, shoo ^^
Sorry if this is an inconvenient point to interject, but I have a question I've been wondering about for some time. Neither a member of the BSST staff nor applying for it, but out of curiosity, what is an associate? Is that like DDE - deputy deputy editor?
An associate is someone who agrees to sniff out news for the BSST, and either present it on the newsletter or create a blog in-between editions. It is a program which was established to promote news sharing and get an active scour of the latest out on the net. Though it's quite small and specialized at this point - all of the users we have on there are regulars when it comes to the many social networking sites.
Hi KMP. An issue has popped up concerning the cite comic template. The coding automatically makes the title of whatever is being referenced italicized, but for short comics like the recently released "Rebound" as well as things like "Sokka the Avatar" and "Bee Calm", quotes are required per common grammar rules. Any chance you could change the template so that, by putting italics around the title of the source being referenced, the story is unitalicized? That way, one could simply put quotes around the title in the ref and have it turn out formatted properly. LL had the idea about putting italics around the title to fix the problem, but that or anything else that makes the title allowed to be unitalicized would work fine. Thanks!
I assume you mean the output of "title" on the template? If so, I have added the "short" parameter. When filled in as "| short = yes", it will remove the italics from the title of the reference.
Sorry for the delay in replying to this, ATFF. I've been ultra-busy as of recently - but if you are still interested, I'd like to talk to you on IRC if you've got the time.
Thanks for talking with me. About your timetable, you'll do very well as an associate, considering that it fits perfectly with how you roll on the wiki ^^
Like I said, if over the Summer is fine for you and we are down a DE, you'll definitely be my first choice - we'll probably get you on as an honorary editor, so make sure to tell me when you have huge amounts of free-time and nothing to fill it up with :p
WaterbenderTaikai, who was a deputy editor to the BSST, went inactive, so now I need a new one. Over the course of a week, the staff have been considering the applicants.
Generally, you have to contribute something before you can be considered - and you're a bit late in applying, since the decision has already been made by the remaining staff.
I don't know how formal I should make this, but I'll make it formal just in case, in letter form and all that shmancy jazz
Dear KettleMeetPot,
I, Chakrasandwich, do humbly ask if I may be considered for the position of deputy editor after seeing the topic on the Internet Relay Chat. If you sir, would kindly process my request, I would be most humbled and...
Hey Chakras! Sorry for the delay in replying to this - just been way too busy recently. Minnichi and I are currently discussing who should replace Taikai, since there are a few other people interested, and we haven't come up with a decision as of yet - though your input to her was definitely helpful. You'll probably have an answer by Wednesday at the least.
EDIT: Or maybe even sooner. I suggest you get around to talking to Minnichi in your spare time - she'll get you up to speed.
Hehe I'd jump for joy and cry out in all sorts of emoticons and random motions but I'm afraid of spamming your wall XD but YAY Thanks KMP for choosing me! I am so honored and happy and overwhelmed and just..THANK YOU :D :D :D I look forward to the helping you out, and for contributing to future newsletters, and I'm just so honored you've picked me :) Thanks for the third time XD
Haha... No problem! It was a join decision between minnichi and I anyway, and she had the utmost confidence in your abilities - as do I. You'll be a great addition to the team, I have no doubt of that. As for your duties to the newsletter, Minnichi will probably hand you some of the tasks that was originally her responsibility in Taikai's absence - including tracking down new articles for us and the like. I suggest you contact her sometime in the future and she'll give you the probable timetable for the next release.
Hey KMP. As you see in the Fanon Portal lately, the FAS header is just outdated and there was one fanon that didn't advertised yet. Sorry, but can you tell me how to manage the header so the fanon title, image, summary, etc could be updated fortnightly? Maybe some of Fanonbenders know how to change the header, but I don't. Thanks for the help, anyway.