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  • Short Story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5g0l93F2g

    Longer Story: Saitama used to be a more prolific member before you got here. Since I don't pay attention to anything that doesn't directly involve me, I'm not sure how he got along with people in general, but I know I argued with him a lot. For a long time, I didn't say anything out loud, but I went back & forth a lot internally on whether these were quality debates or not. Sometimes they were fun & insightful, others little more than a tedious chore (especially once I discovered he was one of those VsBattle fans), & I think at one time he started pulling the old "you not wanting to continue means I'm right!" deal in all apparent seriousness (as I said in that thread, Saitama often seems to be less than genuine, making it difficult to discern his motive at any given time).

    There were a couple of traits I was particularly growing exasperated with. One was his tendency to want extensive citations for the most basic things, which he could easily look up himself if he wanted to know more, all while he rarely seemed to offer more than 1 or 2 citations of his own, if that. The other was that he never or almost never seemed to admit he was wrong, even when he clearly didn't know much about the topic.

    One time we were arguing about whether or not "transgender regret" is an extensive problem, he admitted he didn't know enough to keep arguing (but stopped short of retracting), & I about shit myself in shock. Of course, he claims I doth protest too much, an accusation I'm not at all unfamiliar with, but I don't see the need to pull out my resume every time I'm accused of "being stubborn." If they want to think debates with me are pointless, they can do what they want, & I'll be more than happy if they choose to not bother me. I've got zombie schoolgirl animu that needs a watchin'.

    But back to the story: Naturally, my patience was worn pretty thin when, in some thread or another, he started promoting Donald Trump (& maybe defending Kuvira, I don't really remember). As you might guess, Deist & I had words of disagreement. I don't remember exactly what went down, but I'm guessing he might be particularly bitter over something Deist said, thus explaining why he went after her out of the blue. That's just a hunch, of course.

    For my part, I decided to give him a taste of his own medicine. I stopped digging up sources to absurd questions like "in what way has Donald Trump been racist or sexist?" & just started an endless barrage of questions of my own. Basically anything he said, I would flat-out refuse to accept unless he gave a source, & even if he did, I'd dismiss it with some excuse. This, incidentally, is what I was referring to when I said I'd "already shown him what it was like to debate with him," & what I plan to do again in the immediate future if he doesn't cut the crap.

    Of course, he claimed I was strawmanning, & to be fair I was deliberately taking his habits to an absurd degree, but that was kind of the point. Either way, he did not like it one bit. He apparently hated it so much that he disappeared for some time almost immediately afterwards. During this time, I realized my relationship to this website had grown somewhat less toxic. He reappeared recently, posting in a bunch of threads that, if I read, I didn't care enough to remember. He seems to be mainly arguing in the Korrasami-related threads, which is weird, because I don't remember that being a huge sticking point for him (though I vaguely recall it coming up now & again).

    To his credit, one of the few times I remember him sort of conceding a point, he acknowledged it made sense that there could be unconscious biphobia in a lot of the antikorrasami camp. Though it took me like 87 different explanations to wring that concession out of him, & I'm not sure whether or not he'd stand by it, he's the only "skeptic" I can think of who has actually done that. Like I said, not all of the debates were godawful.

    In any case, I didn't want to fall down the old rabbit holes, if he had any issue with me he wasn't showing it, & I was kind of intrigued at the way his argument with Implord (someone else I had problems with way back when who seems more active now, but that's another story entirely) was going, so I just watched it. But then I decided to point out how absurd his "intellectual criticism" claim was, all Hell broke loose, & here we are now.

    I freely admit that as far as me vs. him is concerned, I'm the aggressor, but god damn, I am sick of his bullshit. "Legend of Korra doesn't count as evidence because I say it's bad writing!" Ugh. I'd just block him, but Wikia doesn't give me that option, so I'm repaying my frustration in kind.

    Near as I can tell, his "points," if they can so be called, include:

    1. A repackaging of tired old arguments about Korrasami & how we're "just discounting intellectual criticism out of hand!"

    2. The writers don't put any thought into Legend of Korra because he thinks their decisions "just don't make sense," (even when he admits there's no contradiction) including the part about Air Nomads not taking issue with homosexuality, because Buddhist monks have a lot of rules.

    3. Since it "doesn't make sense," he can decide what the "proper" original lore was, based on what "does make sense." Apparently even if it was never actually said.

    4. "You people" don't actually give any arguments (totally not a lie), & any reluctance to debate me is because you can't handle disagreement/know you're wrong, not because of my documented history of deliberate obtuseness & generally being an annoying know-it-all who doesn't actually know very much at all.

    Being confused is expected, as he quickly bogs down discussions with so many different things that keeping track of them all, let alone refuting them (endlessly, since he seldom accepts the actual refutation) becomes impossible. Not to mention the increasingly nebulous debate terms, like "prove this thing isn't bad writing without me even giving a falsifiable definition of bad writing!"

    So that's the cliff notes version, as I see it. Deist & Saitama might be able to tell you more. That's all I remember, & my memory is notoriously terrible.

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    • Gotcha.....I just wasn't sure what the hell was going on and both you and Deist Zealot seemed far more frustrated in that Mako Stanning topic than anything else. In other words, this is just a bid for attention by an insipid troll that's better ignored altogether (or at least as ignored as Avatar Wiki will allow). Crazy stuff though and thanks for taking the time to explain....though I will say that I think you and Deist Zealot should just bow out while you still can retain your sanities lol....

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    • Wait, is the troll Mako Fanboy or SaitamaBro?

      I did consider it. It seems the less I give a shit about what goes on in this website, the better off I am.

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    • Both really but I was referring to SaitamaBro. At least with Mako Fanboy it's pretty obvious he's a Mako Stan (his name gives him away) but SaitamaBro....I don't know he's just being a bastard who's arguing with the both of you just because rather than having anything insightful to add....I actually feel dumber for having tried to read his nonsense....

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