Dear axioavatar, avafan, dweller of iroh's teapot, insensible daydreamer, alibi guru, master of pencil acrobatics (a.k.a. student), and swimmer of tea,
please do not revert edits without giving a reason. that anon probably wants to know why you dont think cockbending is a valid addition to that page. sure, it seems unreasonable, but hey, you never know. he might be right and that person actually utilized cockbending. so leave a reason!
Let's just get this over with before my Pervert Gland takes over my mind and conjures up strings of dirty thoughts to rationalize this situation. Gah! Look, if you can't even see the obnoxiously axiomatic fault that the anon made to the article, and instead choose to take the time to politely address these vandals who have no second thought in replacing Airbending with the ludicrous C*ckbending; then I'm afraid you're going to have a bad time here. Just saying. :\
Ikr? The wiki has the whole "Animus" vibe to it. Simplistic, and attractive. :) It's good to see a fellow wikian absorbed in the immersive world of AC, tho I feel somewhat guilty at the "addiction" part. ^^" I couldn't say anything otherwise myself; although my old pc was way below the recommended specs, it still managed to draw me in everyday without fail. o.o Wait till you reach AC2; the weapons will blow you away. ;)
Oh, and the thread you were talking about was 11 threads below this one. :]
Right... Guess I miscalculated. But it should be close to a year, not exactly one full year like the edit suggested. Btw, thanks for fixing my typo on another page. :) I'm a bit under the weather lately. Making blunders everywhere... : |
Sorry to butt in, but I think I understand the confusion here. Axio, you've edited out that the airbender in TLoK is Aang, since that has not been confirmed and only been deducted from the fact that the other benders are Avatars. And now Acer is implying that the bender is definitely Aang, so that there was no need to state that we don't know who the airbender in TLoK is, we only don't know who the bender in ATLA is.
Ah, I see. :) But alas, it is still speculation until we have official sources to back up on, Acer, no matter how plausible it may be. So techinically, we still "don't know" who he is. His identity is merely a deduction.
The same could be said with the OS for A:TLA; since Aang is the last Airbender, it would only be fitting if he's the one featured in the OS. But we don't have confirmation of that, thus we leave him as "unknown". I've also noticed that an anon replaced the info....
What's your take on this, LL? Perhaps we could reword the Note along the lines of: "The identity of the Airbender is strongly implied to be Aang. This deduction is based on the fact that the other three benders are Avatars. However, the information will not be included in the absence of official confirmation." Or something like that. (and, no apologies are necessary for butting in this rather public "chat room") ;)
I'm for eliminating speculation from any page we have, but it is very plausible that the bender in TLoK is indeed Aang, as the opening sequence doesn't just feature all Avatars, it also features them in the right order of the cycle, making Aang even more plausible. Maybe we could include a reference after the information that Aang is that bender that links to the notes section at the bottom, as there is is explained why we list that bender as Aang (much like Thailog included that note on the image explanation of the TLoK airbender).
And yes, this really is just a comment wall or a chat room. There is absolutely zero privacy anymore, unless you block the fact that the first two messages always come up on the RWA (like I have ^^")
Lol, stalkers. ;) Yeah, I think your idea could work, just that if we really must include unconfirmed information, then at least make it so that readers could easily spot the Note below (some editing of the cite-note - numbers seen on the top right corner of the word - should be fine. Tho I'm not sure if that's possible). But if we're going to be strict on this no-speculation policy, then I believe even the most convincing theories shouldn't be present in articles.
I remember the case of one user running amok while deleting content just because we included an explaination of the White Jade Tea served to Iroh in Ming's page. (Which was promptly removed by KFAJ) Wouldn't you say the theory is believable too?
Yes, but those two cases are rather different though. The information on Ming's page was downright speculation, whereas with the OS, you have 1. three confirmed Avatars performing bending and 2. the Avatars are in the right order of the cycle, making Aang the logical link between Roku and Korra.
Well, I wouldn't say the White Jade Tea info is utter speculation, considering the fact that the White Jade bush is indeed poisonous. The way I see it, the OS speculation has 2 explainations instead of 1. Nevertheless, both are still speculation.
I really want to believe that Aang is indeed in the LoK OS, I really do. But because of the lack of an official source, I can't. :( Must we call this an exception where an official source is not needed?
Not really, the white jade tea info was truly utter speculation with not one canonical fact to back that up. The info there was nearly a textbook definition of what is speculation. The fact that Aang would be the airbender in TLoK has 2 logical canonical reasons backing up that claim. Don't get me wrong, I am with you that since it isn't confirmed, we don't know for sure, but to treat it completely the same as the white jade info is a step too far :-)
I think since the reasoning I have above is rather solid, we can keep that info on the page, but do add a note that it's only deducted. Yes, it is speculation, but it's too weird not to have Aang there given the lineup and the correct order of the Avatar Cycle.
We've seen what the White Jade Bush did to Iroh, and even heard from him first-hand of the flower's deadliness. If I'd just reword it, just by a bit, then you'll see how similar the case is:
Ming's act of offering Iroh White Jade tea can be seen as an attempt to poison the retired general, since the White Jade Bush - from which the tea was made - was poisonous; or she was simply providing Iroh the chance to escape by mildly poisoning him, giving Iroh the opportunity to leave his prison cell for "treatment".
I could even state the above as fact, and none could question it since the WJB is, in fact, poisonous. Whatever the case may be, I think I'll ask around for more opinion on the matter. Thanks for butting-in! :D
About the opening, I agree that the speculation should be removed, as plausible as it may be. Why don't we just change Aang to "unknown bender" and rephrase the note to state that it's presumably Aang based on the Avatar pattern of benders?
Well, of course there's a comments section! Oh, I know what you mean. ^^ No, you need not manually include the headling "Comments" because it is automatically included in every article :) But then again, it seems to be missing from the TOC of Council of Five. I'm not as code-savvy as 888th, so perhaps you should consult him about this matter. :)