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Forums: Site Ideas

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For an established wiki, we have an amazingly low amount of "uniqueness" about this wiki when compared to other established wikis. Some ideas:

That sidebar needs some changing. Having only menus for Creatures and Earth Kingdom characters is, to be quite honest, really sad. They shouldn't even be on there. What about World of Avatar (when that project is closer to completion of course (by that I mean closer to end of February)...)? What about a menu for main characters? What about a menu for the nations and locations within them? What about a menu for bending?
We need more style (for want of a much better word). Things like calling the community portal a "Council of Elders" or something make it just that bit more Avatar-like. Those templates (UC etc) could be made much more interesting using a well-put quote instead of the dead-tone "Construction Project!".
Our logo, to be blunt, is rather boring. Why not a little bit more colour? Anyone who's a graphic designer or at least knows how to use a graphics program should be getting to work to get something really good.

These are just some ideas. Why not make this wiki feel a bit more like the Avatar World? Sometimes it's nice to have a bit of fun. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 12:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

And there's something else. Why do we only make featured articles featured articles when they are applied to the main page? I know this has been said before, but in my eyes it just does not make sense. Featured articles should undergo a review, get their stars, and then be put in line to be featured on the main page. That way, pages are truly graded on how good they are, so that unlucky, but nevertheless excellent, pages don't miss out on the rating they deserve. 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 16:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok. In order…

I do agree that the sidebar is especially unhelpful and does not fulfill its navigational duty. The only reason the creatures and EK characters are there, is simply because in the default coding for it, they have Category1 and Category2, which automatically displays the categories with the most pages in them. I personally found this bar unhelpful, to an extent I changed what I personally see when it comes down to it, and I find a few links to the projects a whole lot more navigational than what you guys have, but then again that's just me.
I do like adding some name changes and such in a way to make it be more specific and unique, at least to an extent. We could get a list of things like that, and change it wherever it is named anywheres else.
I do completely agree, the picture is bland and really, just ugly. They have a wiki for getting new pictures, and I think they have something on Central too for this type of thing, and what they turn up seems to be pretty nice. At least, in my opinion, it should have the name "Avatar Wiki" in it, in convention with every other wiki. Not that we need to follow everyone else, but it is more like a default. So, what does everyone else think? Joey - Talk^Contribs 17:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Complete and total agreement on my part. Alex^Talk 16:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Are there going to be any other submissions? Why are we so afraid to talk about our weaknesses? 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk ^- ^{Contributions} 06:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

If anyone is an expert with coding, then they can go to Special:Allmessages, and from there find the one that pertains to the sidebar. I think it would look better if it included key characters from the Water Tribe, Earth Kingdom, and Fire Nation. Was it last updated during Book 2: Earth? This must explain why Earth Kingdom characters is still there. --Energybender 16:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

If you read Joeyaa's post, it's there because it is one of the biggest categories. It would look better with a nice little section called Characters that included the main characters. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 20:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we could also change the skin to something a little less dull. All orange is kindof pathetic and it makes me cry inside. Lets try something a little nicer on the eyes, what do you think? Joey - Talk^Contribs 09:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

But what would we change it to? There's not many colours that would really feel Avatar-like. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 09:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

One thing we need to stop doing is limiting ourselves. We don't just need to change the headers, we can change the background, the boxes, all the white space can be transformed, but we're too lazy to do it. Here's a nice example where they take advantage of all the space. We could do something (Lighter) than that, and have it "Avatar-ized". Joey - Talk^Contribs 09:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You're right. That would be good. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 09:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

My question, is really, why don't we implement it then? We have a few people that are masters at coding, and we have the power to do so. So, what are we waiting for? Joey - Talk^Contribs 09:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

We'll start when we decide on what to use: what colours, what logos, what backgrounds. All we need is more submissions. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 09:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Colours- The symbolic four colours to each nation, plus one neutral/overall colour to be in the middle, or most focused on
Logo- We can request to have one made specific to us with at least the main characters on it or something.
Backgrounds- As a community we can choose on a picture or pictures that we want.

I guess all we need now is some people to finally say something about it. Joey - Talk^Contribs 09:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't want multiple colours for a colour scheme - it would look a mess. The rest is fine. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 10:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I for one really don't see why we need to change the orange color right now. It signifies the nation of the current Avatar. That was probably the real reason why it was chosen, subconciously or not. If and when the next Avatar show would be released we can simply change the color then to match the color of the nation where the next Avatar in the show is shown. Also, I believe that the logo has already been debated on somewhere. I heard that happened a while ago, in my early days. I didn't participate because it didn't seem all that important if the current logo was working fine. 30px - Zero - Talk 13:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm neutral on this one. I don't mind the orange and white scheme, if we're going to change it, it needs to be a good one. And we also have to allow people to choose between between the themes, I remember doing this long ago when I wanted to see how this looked in the default blue and white wiki theme. It looked horrible. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The current orange and white colour scheme is fine, but if there is a good proposal, then it would be better. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 01:11, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that the offending categories on the sidebar have been removed, we should put in these:

Main Characters
Bending Arts
Locations
World of Avatar (but maybe after a bit more work on those)

The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 00:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Kay, but do you want to write it, or shall someone else? Joey - Talk^Contribs 00:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

But only admins can alter the page. And I'm still working on Policy. The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 00:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Write the code and paste it on my talk page. I'll implement it. 30px - Zero - Talk 20:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Joey - Talk^Contribs 22:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh, I kind of wrote code too. Do you want to merge it? The 888th Avatar ^- ^Talk 22:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look at yours and see what the difference of ours is. Joey - Talk^Contribs 22:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I implemented the given code but it didn't seem to work. And Please continue this conversation on the Monaco-sidebar Talk Page. Thank You. 30px - Zero - Talk 06:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone like the idea of using the series logo as the replacement for Aang's face? It has a blue background, so some color changes, as mentioned above, might have to take place so that it doesn't clash. However, it looks good now, and is the same color as the new messages prompt, so maybe the color is good as it is. --Energybender 16:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, I've addressed it again below. --Energybender 17:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Custom Monaco Skin

Have you guys considered creating a custom monaco skin? I think this site could really benefit from an attractive look, and the current one doesn't cut it. I've worked out a few skins on other wikis, and I tried to do something different on each of them.[1][2][3] I envision a watermark pattern for the background with the symbols of the four nations. Anyway, it's just a suggestion. If you decide to go with it and need help, let me know. ? T hailog 18:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Very nice. I for one think it would look awesome. If you can give us an example it might better others, because a huge change is needed to be discussed and not always accepted. --Excelsior, The Flash - ^{(Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!)} 18:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Isn't what we have already such? When I go to preferences under the "Skin" tab, is says Monaco Custom is already the skin. And Thailog, the most appropriate place to hold this discussion is at the site ideas forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Energybender (talk • contribs) 19:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

You do have a custom skin, technically speaking, but the only thing distinguishing it from all the other monaco skins, is the color from Aang's clothes. You don't even have the name of the site on the logo. Anyway, it was just a suggestion. ? T hailog 19:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Use one of these as a Watermark:

<gallery>
Image:Four Nation Emblems.PNG|Emblems of All Four Nations Together
Image:AirNomadsEmblem.png|Air Nomad Emblem
Image:WaterTribeEmblem.png|Water Tribe Emblem
Image:EarthKingdomEmblem.png|Earth Kingdom Emblem
Image:FireNationEmblem.png|Fire Nation Emblem
Image:Spirit Emblem.png|Spirit Emblem
Image:White Lotus Tile.gif|White Lotus Emblem
Image:Neutral Emblem.png|Neutral Emblem
</gallery>

Well what do you think? 30px - Zero - Talk 21:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Personally I think the All Four Nation one or the Air Nomad one would be great since Aang is an Air Nomad. If a new series comes out then we can simply change the emblem to suit the Current Avatar. 30px - Zero - Talk 21:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I had these in mind. Less conspicuous for a background pattern. What about the rest? You want a banner? Text on logo? New colors? Seriously, the skin needs to be more vivid. I can work on some ideas to be used on my personal monaco page. If you like the final product you can always adopt the look. ? T hailog 21:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

No. The reason the skin color is as it is, is that Aang is an Air Nomad. We shall change the color according to the Current Avatar. This was decided a while ago. Besides too much vividity leads to eye strain. We wouldn't want to be responsible for users having pain in their eyes would we? I think not. Anyway. We'll let you know about the rest. 30px - Zero - Talk 21:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'd like to discuss the logo as well. The image Avatar-TLAlogo.jpg might work, or else a rendition of the logo without the blue background. If you have any other ideas, please share. --Energybender 21:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Eye strain would be the result of using the icons you proposed for the background. As for the color issue, you are using #ffa500 because it's the color from the current logo. My point is, if you decide to go with a different logo or look, the current color might need to be adjusted.

Yes, I can work something with the logo without the blue background. I can even etch "The Last Airbender Wiki" with the same fonts from the title. A banner would provide a wide range of possibilities here. We could keep the current image, throw in the title "Avatar The Last Airbender Wiki" and more. You really should take a look at other wikis. There are lots of ideas to go around. [4][5][6][7] What about the map of the Avatar World? ? T hailog 21:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I like those kinds. Very few wikis do that. For the backdrop, we could do the four emblems, like in polka dots, and on the top we can have a banner of the Air Emblem on the left, and the Avatar symbol with the wiki name on the right. --Excelsior, The Flash - ^{(Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!)} 22:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't see the link at musogato, and I know it's not a problem with Chrome, I've seen gif images before. I like those nation icons, the only thing I didn't like is that both Air and Water are blue, the show has never used blue for air, it's always been orange/yellow. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

So… can someone list some general options? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 23:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I did. --Excelsior, The Flash - ^{(Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!)} 05:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I remember it being light blue impressed into the floors right infront of both the Northern and Southern Air Temple Sanctuaries. Of course I could be wrong. But water is dark blue and Air is light blue in the emblems. I wish it was orange but I couldn't find one of that color so I thought this was better than nothing. Don't you think? As for more options, I can't think of any others at the moment. Anyone else have any ideas? Don't be shy. Come on by/buy. LOL. 30px - Zero - Talk 19:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I just wish we knew what the Spirit or Neutral Emblems would look like. Maybe an impression of the White Lotus would do for Neutral but Spirit is beyond me. 30px - Zero - Talk 19:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Yin-Yang symbol? It fits the gray color scheme for spirit location/infobox/quote. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

What? You going Aes Sedai on me? LOL. Just a joke. That is a great idea. Only make sure that they have Borders like the other emblems. These are looking so good that I wouldn't want them to clash with any other emblems. 30px - Zero - Talk 05:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

What do you think of the new Ying Yang symbol I used for the Spirit Emblem? I hope it is agreeable. I talored it according to the Ying Yang symbol Aang sees in The Siege of the North, Part 1. 30px - Zero - Talk 15:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Now all that remains is a Neutral Emblem. Like that of the White Lotus. 30px - Zero - Talk 15:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Or we could consider the all the emblems of the four nations and/or the spirit emblem in a single line as denoting neutrality, like in the top right corner of this page. Personally, I'd search for a white lotus. 30px - Zero - Talk 16:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

My only concern with white lotus is that I don't noobs coming here asking why we listed Pathik and the Lion Turtle as members of the OWL. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Then I think that the only way we can refer neutral is by placing all four Nation Emblems side by side in a single line. Would that work? 30px - Zero - Talk 14:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

A White Lotus Emblem was uploaded yesterday and integrated into the Era and Eraicon templates. It seems to be used only for articles related to the Order of the White Lotus. However it needs to be improved in order to match the others. 30px - Zero - Talk 06:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

For the previous comment, we could use the first pic in the gallery. I could see that happening. Joey - Talk^Contribs 06:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean the comment about the White Lotus Emblem or the Neutral Emblem? 30px - Zero - Talk 06:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

With, the fact they they tried using the WL emblem for OWL, so then for neutral, we would probably want the four nations together, as seen in pic one. Joey - Talk^Contribs 06:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

But the background will make it hard to see. We'd have to edit that pic so it would be acceptable. 30px - Zero - Talk 06:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

So both the White Lotus Emblem and the All Four Nations Emblem will have to be edited. 30px - Zero - Talk 06:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Joey - Talk^Contribs 06:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that the new pic would be great for neutral. Sorry if someone objects, but it was the only thing I could find that would fit the criteria. 30px - Zero - Talk 15:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It's fine. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 22:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. 30px - Zero - Talk 10:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Something that says if you are online

is it possiable to add something that says you are online. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] 18:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

like on bebo it says online on your profile picture. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] 18:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Never heard of anything like that, neither in wikis not at wikipedia. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about you or anyone else, but I always am online because when I leave the site on my computer, I stay signed in. This happens because I chose "Remember my login on this computer". So creating a template for a user's status would defeat its own purpose, at least for me it would. --Energybender 00:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Same here. 30px - Zero - Talk 19:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

What would even be the point of that anyways? Most likely if you needed an admin or something, one would just pop in eventually on the Recent Changes, or in an emergency, just contact a helper. I really couldn't see any benefit from it, even if we did do that (Although I see 99.99 % we won't). Joey - Talk^Contribs 04:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Banner

What do you think of [[:Image:Banner.jpg|this]] for the banner? ? T hailog 22:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It's great, but isn't it a little too wide? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 22:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It depends on each user's the resolution. That's why the text is on the left side. ? T hailog 22:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait...where exactly is this going again? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 23:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a good image, where do you intend to put a banner? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Like here. ? T hailog 23:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I see. I think this can definitely work, if fits the wiki color scheme and all. If others are ok with it, I say go forward. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Are we still going to keep our logo as well? I think we could probably use both, but... doesn't matter. Joey - Talk^Contribs 23:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Won't the Wikia logo block the banner text? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 00:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No, it's all adjustable. And it just goes behind it anyways, so the logo is still visible. Joey - Talk^Contribs 00:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Explain? Maybe a demonstration? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 01:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

What? You'll see it on any wiki. Since Wikia is a company, they brand all pages that they own, so their logo takes priority (Always shows on top of everything else). That gap though, would become bigger when we use a banner, and fyi, we can change so much about the configuration that we could do almost anything. Joey - Talk^Contribs 04:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice pic. Great in fact. Although we will need to make sure that it adjusts according to the size of the screen. Using auto might do it. Then again it might not. 30px - Zero - Talk 06:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem I was talking about has been fixed by removing the Nick logo (thank you Thailog). I say we go ahead. But what's going to be the replacement for the logo? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 10:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh, we can go for days thinking of different possibilities. I guess we should probably ask for a few suggestions and see what we get. Who wants to start? Joey - Talk^Contribs 23:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, why do you still need a logo? "Avatar The Last Airbender Wiki" is the logo... ? T hailog 23:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the banner is enough. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

For future reference, instead of saying this and linking it to the pic use the gallery tag: <gallery></gallery> to display the pics. It's easier for quick reference that way and it links to the Image page(s) as well. 30px - Zero - Talk 06:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't there some way the banner can resize itself to the page width? 30px - Zero - Talk 06:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

No. ? T hailog 08:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you absolutely sure? 30px - Zero - Talk 17:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I admit it's conjecture based on what I see around. Only a handful of wikis use banners and none of them have adjustable sizes. Just like you don't see wikis with adjustable logos... ? T hailog 18:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I see. Well then I guess we'll just have to make do with what we have untill we find a way. Won't we? 30px - Zero - Talk 06:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

We will need to indeed. It's not too bad. It still looks okay in 1024 by 768, it works fine on widescreen, and only stuffs on the truly massive resolution which no-one owns. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 07:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is an alternative... Anyone using smaller resolutions can always use their personal monaco page to implement a banner and fits their screen... All we have to do is upload such banner and tell people what code to insert where. ? T hailog 08:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I suppose we could, but I wouldn't trust all users here (as in all wikis) to be so good at coding! The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 08:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Besides. I'm sure they would feel it too much of a bother to do it. 30px - Zero - Talk 09:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I was not suggesting we tell people to do it. I meant if people complain about the banner being cut off because they have a small resolution, you refer them to a page in which they can learn how to circumvent that. As simple as saying "copy/paste this code (...) into this page." Basically what I've been doing here. They don't have to figure anything out, nor do you have to go around telling everyone to do it. ? T hailog 20:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

<gallery>
Image:Banner.jpg
Image:BANNER2.jpg
</gallery>

I was tinkering with some images and come up with this banner... It looks cool, but probably a bit dark for the key demographics. ? T hailog 20:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The new one would have been great, but I think it is a little too dark. It contrasts a little too much with the colour scheme...unless we change that too. Finally, (and this is the biggest problem) people with 1024 by 768 (or less) will only see part of the logo, or no logo at all, which is rather awkward. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 07:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

The color scheme can easily be a justable if everyone if willing to make such a drastic change in skin. Also, the logo wouldn't be a problem at all. I could upload the logo as a separate image and place it as a graphic. This way it would automatically move to fit everyone's resolution/screen. ? T hailog 08:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

That would be best if we do this. I think the darker one is great, but the one problem is that Avatar is such a light-hearted (mostly) series, and this makes it awkward next to our insane dark banner and skin. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 08:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I've done extensive testing of the banner (option 1) and it works on IE7/IE8/Firefox on Windows XP/Vista. The banner displays properly on all the popular monitor resolutions (1024 by 768 and the widescreen 1280's). Since most users will fall under one of those categories, there should be no problems. I think it is ready to be rolled out. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 21:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

After Thailog's fixes, the banner now works on all resolutions, browsers and operating systems that I can test on (1024 by 768/1280 by 800/1600 by 1200 on IE7/IE8/Firefox3 on XP/Vista). Banner option 1 is ready I think for rollout. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 09:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll repeat - banner option 1 is ready for rollout. If no-one objects, it can be applied. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 09:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Skin

If you want to see how the skin looks like, copy/paste [[User:Thailog/monaco.css|this code]] into your monaco page. You may have to refresh a couple of time after that. ? T hailog 10:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It looks great. I mean, it's not totally ideal for the standard computer resolution today (1024 x 768, which I'm using now), but it still works fine. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 11:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's necessary — otherwise Internet users with higher resolutions would see the banner cut off. We can always cover Aang, Momo, Sokka, and Katara with some other image (a map or the Nation emblems) and engrave a montage of the characters in the middle of the banner. ? T hailog 11:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I know it's neccessary, it's just a shame you can't have everything you want. No, I don't think we should cover the characters, it's a good idea to leave them there for identification reasons. We already have nation emblems as a background. Also, I think your original (the one I'm running now, not the one you made several minutes ago) works better than your new one. The request link isn't all that important, and those who need it can see it - maybe if you really want to make it visible just change it to black text. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 11:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. I could also put a background strip of the emblems in the navigation menu. Or would that be too much? ? T hailog 11:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I think putting emblems in the nav menu will be a little much, because they're already all over the place in the background. Also, is it just my computer, or does the Wikia logo move but the "Entertainment" under it does not? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 11:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you using IE? 'Coz it seems only to work on FireFox... For reference, [[:Image:Skin.png|this is how it looks on FireFox]]. ? T hailog 12:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I am using IE, and now have tested it on Firefox. Perhaps you should just move the Wikia logo back to where it was, because it may look just a tad worse, but at least it'll work properly for IE users (which is most users). That or you find a way to fix it. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 20:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

That's better, but why did you make "Latest Activity" orange? Personally, I think the original grey made it softer and easier to look at. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 21:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. What do you think of the border instead of the full background color? ? T hailog 21:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It looks better, definitely. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 21:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Ummm... I tried what you have with my desktop, and the resolution won't work. The banner isn't long enough, so it partially repeats at the end, but also has a big black spot on it. I'll assume the black part is the spot for the logo, but this needs to be fixed. Joey - Talk^Contribs 01:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh...what monitor resolution are you using? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 02:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

1440 by 900, but I do know the banner works on my laptop, which is of a different resolution. Joey - Talk^Contribs 03:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay...the banner works on 1024 by 768, but cuts off the characters, which is fine because those users wouldn't know that there were characters on the banner in the first place. The banner works on 1280 by 800 perfectly. 1440 by 900? That's not a very common resolution, or at least it isn't where I live. The banner is cut off on the right on 1600 by 1200, but that doesn't matter too much, because barely anyone uses 1600 by 1200, and besides, it doesn't look that bad with a black square. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 03:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

So...how close do we think we to are to implementation? The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 08:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Before you do, check the new color I'm trying. ? T hailog 08:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I've seen the colour, but I prefer the orange, because it is a more Avatar-related colour. Also, changing the skin colour will cause a lot of trouble on this wiki, because we will have to change a lot of things to the new colour. If we have to, we should at least try out different, less glaring oranges. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 08:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I took this color from Aang's clothings from the banner... But I'll restore the original. I'll remove however the color from the link box. It's a bit too much... ? T hailog 20:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sides Icon

I had an Idea for an Icon that told if they Good or Evil. Like. Azula. There could be a skull and crossbones for evil and for Aang a pair of Angel wings. However. This cannot be on all Characters. Like Chit Sang, he is in what? Two episodes? No offense to all the Chit Sang fans out there but he isn't really a main character. So, like for the Main Characters, (I.E. Aang, Katara, Suki, Toph, Sokka, etc.,) there could be the symbol, because allot of people know what Avatar is, but may have stopped watching after the first or second season ended but when they come here there will be new characters, so they wont know if they are good or bad? Savvy? --Rainstar 22:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but this isn't quite neccessary. We're already developing icons for each character's nationality. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 23:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. 30px - Zero - Talk 05:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Bad Faith Templates

It might be a good idea to give IP and bad faith/problem users a formal template for their personal viewing. According to policy, straight-up vandals automatically receive an infinite block, but for all the rest, we can take up from Wikipedia's supply of templates for this purpose. Let's see what people think when I return in a few hours. --Energybender 02:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

This might be a good idea. I'm pretty tired of typing out messages for vandals. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 03:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm liking this idea. It would be quite helpful, as long as we be sure that it can be personalized and common. Joey - Talk^Contribs 06:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't oppose. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki Description

Ahem. ? T hailog 09:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

ya, sometimes changes to MediaWiki pages take some time for a response from an admin. Joey - Talk^Contribs 09:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

My coding skills for those are as good as my Sanskrit, which I don't speak nor write. If it's ok with the community, an admin with said coding skills can change those pages. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe now this can be done. ? T hailog 10:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Good point. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 10:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Implementation

The new skin is ready for rollout. The final version may be found at [[User:Thailog/monaco.css]]. I have done extensive testing on a variety of combinations of monitor resolutions, web browsers and operating systems, and there are no errors i can report. If an admin could apply it (just copy the code in), that would be great. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 09:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, the new skin has been applied (by myself). If you find any problems with it, say so below. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 01:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I lurve the new skin.good job. also, could someone add an article about the martial arts the bendings are reffered to. that would be quite informative instaed of going to wikipedia.thnx :)Frosty Earth 12:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Frosty, see Influences on Avatar: The Last Airbender. There's a section there about the martial arts. The 888th Avatar ^(Talk) 12:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Specials

Hmm, we have Sozin's Comet: The Final Battle as a TV special. There is also "The Fury of Aang" for The Library and The Desert episodes, and "Secret of the Fire Nation" for The Serpent's Pass and The Drill. Tell me if I am missing any and if these should be created. --Energybender 14:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

the solsice the siege of the north and the boiling rock. i watched them on nick recently and they had special names. [[User:Luvingazula|Luvingazula]] - [[User Talk:Luvingazula|Talk]] 14:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Note that the Sozin's Comet: The Final Battle link you used is not reffering to the TV Special but the Book. And no, I do not think they need to be created but you can mention them in their respective episodes' Trivia Sectons. 30px - Zero - Talk 16:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)