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In addition to the "canon" ships and the popular original series fan ships, the following ships were also kept: Bosami, Tahnorra, Pemzin, Linzin, Korrasami, Lieumon, and Tyzula. The following ships should not be on the page (if they ever were): Irosami, Korroh, Amorra and Korrlok.

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I'm sad it had to come to this. There have been far too many debates over what should and shouldn't be included on the Shipping page. Some people want to include somethings, others want to include other things. I've seen too much editing to that page adding in random shippings that are best left at the Fanon:Shipping page.

It's time we at least decide what should stay and what should go. I'm personally hoping all General Iroh II shippings go away, because he was a minor character, and those ships aren't popular enough to allow them to stay, nor are they even remotely canon. I also think that Nabu should go away, and I have tried to remove it but sometimes it just winds up there anyway. Tahnorra, Makorra, Masami, Borra, and Bosami should stay, as well Pemzin and Linzin (But I wouldn't be too sad if they were removed). I am also willing to have Korrasami, Lieumon and Ty Zula implemented, due to the high number of fans supporting those ships. I think everything else should be removed. Thoughts?

EDIT: I think that Amorra, Korrlok and Linorra should also be removed because they don't have large enough fan bases, and Amorra is a crack-ship. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 19:51, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support. Those are the only ships with any basis whatsoever. Too much crackshiping going on on that page. A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 19:53, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry i have to say i disagree. The popular ships should stay ALONG with crack ships, and Amorra does have enough fans and is not a crackship it is a subship. Subship - Not a crack or cannon ship but a supporting ship with hints. Popular ships - A well known ship or a rising ship. Therefore the shipping page should have should at least have a desciption of possible ships or fanon ship.

Edit(july 22,2012): a ship can still be popular even with a minor character. But Iroh II can still be Korra's firebending teacher Edit(july 25) and where did you get info of him being a minor character just let him be you never know if he's coming back and maybe he's stayin maybe he's going to be one of season 2 characters against mako, so I will try to keep iroh shippings on the shipping page.

-jelljell14

nabu should stay, definitely. Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 19:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Tahnorra could possibly stay as well as there were many people who shipped that pairing in the beginning. And Nabu is even out of the question of being added to the page. It has no place there and should never have one. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 19:59, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

and FIRE FERRET, how dare you discriminate against your kind. Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 20:00, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

We've been over this. That is not a discussion. Nabu is not staying, no matter what. As for Tahnorra, I don't see much of a basis, but I have no problem with it. A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 20:01, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ack! I forgot about Tahonorra *Facepalm* Yeah, Tahnorra can stay due to its wild popularity. And as for you, Rydersilver. As a true fire ferret I can say that we don't appreciate being shipped with huge fluffy bear-dogs. We prefer creating relationships between our own kind, and just because we are friends with Polar-bear dogs, doesn't mean any of us would consider having relationships with them. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 20:04, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Bosami, Tahorra,Linzin, are crazy shippings as well. You people ship people because they are friends. There are only two shipps in the Legend of Korra. All of the other ships just about have no chance of happening. If those stay then I don't know why nabu should go.--Omar067 (wall • contribs) 20:07, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

The requirements to meet the Shipping page are canon interactions, or shippings wildly popular with the fandom. Shippings like Taang never had any love-interactions, but it's still up there. We have to put up what is popular within the fandom. And, Linzin was canon. Before the show started. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 20:10, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Blue Dagger please do not decide for the community as you are neither the face nor the representative of avatar wikia, and shall never be. sure! fire ferrets normally go along with other fire ferrets! but weve never seen a second one. and loneliness turns into lust and so forth. How do you think we got hybridized creatures in the first place?? BAM. PROOF. call my ship crack and you call avatar crack. Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 20:08, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

...In all seriousness, Ryder, the only inter-animal ships in the real world are ones that between similar animals. A Polar-bear dot and a Fire Ferret would not feel any feelings of attraction between each other. At that point its like shipping a human and a cat together. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 20:10, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Loneliness turns into lust? Um...no. Ryder, you're getting far too carried away. Vulmen (talk • EoK) 20:11, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

hahahah ohhhh you two are too funny. what would you do, as an animal with no other friends of the same species? did you not see how they interacted before? and we know its possible now. Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 20:14, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ryder. Stop. I am not speaking for myself when I say that Nabu will not be added. Just stop this stupid argument. It's pointless, and, to be honest, nobody cares. A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 20:16, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

i think thats lying because making a forum about it, or you even arguing is caring, even if its opposing. stop bluedagger now that i told you to stop, you have to.

(edit conflict) Again Ryder, cats and humans. Let's say a lonely lady has a pet male cat. She snuggles with him, and feeds him and hugs him. Does she have feelings for him? Sure. Relationshipy feelings for him? No. Would she be inclined to mate with him? No. It's as simple as that. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 20:18, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

ATFF, stop replying to him. What he's saying isn't what this forum is about: it was already set in stone that Nabu should not be added. This is about the rest of the ships that should be thrown off that page. A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 20:21, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I've been seeing this argument all over the place because you are also spamming poor Lostris and BlueDagger. They have been very patient with you in explaining the parameters of what ships are permitted on the shipping page, why your proposed ship is a crackship, and why it defies all logic. The fact that you are continuing to ignore all this is really reflecting badly on you and showing a great deal of poor judgment. You clearly have a great deal of imagination ("loneliness turns into lust...?"), but this is not the place for it. If you really must, write a fanon or something, but you need to stop creating a disturbance on the wiki. It isn't productive and wastes a great deal of other people's time. Monkeyfeathers94 (wall • contribs) 20:23, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
I suppose your right BD. Sorry, my inner shipper got released for a moment -__- It's locked back up and is trapped for good now XD. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 20:28, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
Haha, it's all good. Back on track now :P A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 20:29, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

yeah lets just ignore users. sure i would say thats not going to happen, fire ferret, but thats only because there arent half humans on the show! but there are countless hybridized creatures on the show, so we know its possible. would anyone argue against interspecies mingling? the arguments are only on my page and LL's, and there were a few revert and edits on the page. Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 20:29, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ryder, it's just shipping. Don't get too serious about this. That's all I have to say about this.--Omar067 (wall • contribs) 20:30, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

We don't ignore users, as we've been patiently listening to what you have to say and explaining why it's ridiculous. However, it is likely that people will begin ignoring you soon, because it's tiring to repeat oneself and this is just getting absurd. Monkeyfeathers94 (wall • contribs) 20:33, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

they just said "Stop replying to him" pretty sure thats ignoring. im not explaining why its ridiculous? Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 20:33, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

THIS IS NOT A SHIPPING THREAD. It is about discussion, but you weren't defending your cause. Anyways, I suggest we get back to topic. The shippings to be included in the Shipping article. Now, can we PLEASE get back to the point? Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 02:51, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

ACTUALLY THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT SHIPPING. I AM DEFENDING MY CAUSE. I AM ON TOPIC. oh my gosh wow caps gets the message across! i love yelling! Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 07:43, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

do you see how immature that is? Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 07:43, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

No, you weren't. You were merely stating why you shipped Nabu, not why it was important enough to include on the topic. This thread is about what shippings should be accepted, and it is about shipping, but it is not a shipping thread. A shipping thread would imply that we were all stating why we ship what we ship. I'm not quite sure how I was being immature, but just keep in mind when you say that, you were saying "Loneliness turns into lust..." Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 16:06, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

yes, and why i shipped it is exactly the same reasons of why it should stay on the page which is what this thread is about. actually when i said you were being immature i didnt say loneliness turns into lust. that was before, and i so stand by that motto of life. but how does that relate to a shipping thread? Rydersilver (wall • contribs) 17:06, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Heh; well as someone who is feeling as you describe, I resent your presumption. :p And the point is as described, the topic involves shipping but it is not about attempting to present reasons why certain people ship what they do. The topic is more focused upon the article, and not personal shipping preferences. Vulmen (talk • EoK) 01:29, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

So could somebody explain why there aren't any same sex ships? Despite the fact that Korrasami and Tyzula (among others) are both incredibly popular among fandom? This is just homophobia pure and simple. Add them. Tuxedocatface (wall • contribs) 03:20, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I would say that it is because none of those shippers have added them. Go for it. DesertDog (wall) 11:45, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
And after perusing the page, I see you have been. 12:11, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
I would not be troubled if Korrasami and TyZula were added, but I simply wonder if they are popular enough in the fandom to stay? I don't hear too much from shippers of those so...Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 16:29, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I want to ask this, why are ships like Korrasami and Tyzula not listed, with people citing popularity or fan-support, when crackships like Iroh II x Asami (or Korra) and Haru and Katara are listed? I don't think "popularity" is a proper argument. Tyzula has 311 fanfictions on ff.net. Zukaang has 833. Sokka and Zuko have 541. What about some of the things actually listed in the shipping article? Harutara has 12. Suki and Zuko have 36. Korrasami has 84 fanfictions. Iroh and Asami, and Iroh and Korra together only have 55. That's just a simple silly rubric I came up with, but I think it at least gives a vague picture.

Yes, someone removed Tyzula today but left up ships like Irohsami which have equivalent canon support. Could someone else put it back please? Azula369 (wall • contribs) 02:22, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I feel completely comfortable with homosexual shippings, thoughts?  Technology Wizard  Wall  Contribs  21:15, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well the article is about what the fandom ships, and several homosexual ships are extremely popular in the fandom. So there's no reason not to put them there. Azula369 (wall • contribs) 21:18, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
For everyone who doesn't want to see the homosexual ships when the page loads, I have created a JavaScript code that will hide them. They will still remain the source mode, though, which, I believe, is good, since we can still make corrections on them. If it bothers you so much, just ask me for it. Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:27, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Just because you or anyone else isn't comfortable with homosexual pairings, it's still completely legitimate to put them up on said wiki article. Also, I'm glad to see that Korrasami and Tyzula are both up on the page, but could we get some more of the popular male slash pairings up? More notably Lieumon but others from ATLA as well. -Mira C


"Heavily suggested", one of the supposed criteria for the page alongside "popularity", is a very hazily defined word, and is basically useless, as if a shipping is popular enough it will invent the support it needs in-canon out of mere wish fulfillment. People may be shipped together even if they never showed any sign of romantic affection whatsoever, and even if there's nothing that could be easily misread, if the general will wishes it and if the two ever meet each other at all. We need to define what exactly we intend "heavily suggested" to me, and quite concretely, or else this problem will just raise its ugly head again at a later date. Toph's Fanboy Read My Fanon! TokkaSpriteSig.png 23:33, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

I really feel like we need to develop a more specific set of requirements for what ships are allowed on the canon ship page. Obviously the two traits we're interested are popularity and canonity (is that a word?). For popularity, should we consider, say, number of fanfics on fanfiction.net, or maybe performance in various polls? Azula369 (wall • contribs) 00:02, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that the script will only affect the user that uses it. Everyone else will be able to see it. Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 23:56, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the criteria defining the ships included on the page should be clearly defined here and now. There is simply too much ambiguity in that are right now. Are we planning to go entirely by Tumblr and FanFiction followings, or will we determine this some other way? Free as a Bison (wall • contribs) 15:19, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

How about this: A ship either has to have some form of concrete canonical representation (one-sided or in the past may count) and be of apparent interest to the age group watching A:TLAR (in other words, no need for Pakku & Kanna), or so extremely popular and long-lasting that the fanbase's interest in it cannot be ignored as an aspect of real-life experience of the show despite its non-canon status (like Zutara & its "sidekick" ship Taang). I don't see the need for including such things as Irohasami, at any rate, as not enough time has passed for us to really know whether their popularity will be long-lasting and thus actually worth of mention on here. Toph's Fanboy Read My Fanon! TokkaSpriteSig.png 03:27, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have anything against homosexual shippings, really, or people supporting them, however, the question that arises is are these shippings really popular to the extent that they could be added to the shipping article; that can be a little difficult to determine. I tend to agree with Toph's Fanboy in that ships for that article should have some sort of legitimate canonical evidence or should be extremely popular. I feel some sort of limit needs to be put into play with Korra shippings; the series is still running, people's opinions on certain shippings are subject to dramatic change - seemingly "popular" support for a shipping may end up dying out later on. At this point, I agree that the criteria for ships that can be included needs to be strengthened. The Ultimate Waterbender 00:58, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Per Ultimate above - we need a stronger criteria to include shippings. It's getting a wee-bit free-for-all-like...and if that means removing some ATLA ships, so be it. I can understand Korrasami - it has a very significant fanbase. However, something like Bolin/Iroh and Amon/Lieutenant...that's pushing the line a little bit. Katara and Bolin Fanboy Send me a messenger hawk Katara Sprite Season 3Bolin sprite 01:02, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, any sorts of regulations can —and should— be implemented. Lieumon may die out eventually, because Amon died. But, it is definitely more popular than some A:TLA shippings which remain, like Harutara (which was not heavily suggested in canon). So maybe some A:TLA shippings need reform as well. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 01:30, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a question that I'd really like to hear people's opinions on. Should we have restrictions for the shipping page (not the fanon shipping page) banning incest ships and/or ships involving younger characters and significantly older ones? The second issue especially needs to be decided because is determines the fate of Linorra and Amorra, both of which are currently on there. Azula369 (wall • contribs) 20:30, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Those should DEFINITELY not be there. I'm going to go remove those now, if someone hasn't already. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 17:28, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of Korrasami, there is actually two popular ship versions, the femslash version and BFF one. The BFF ship is apparently very canon. I would edit that in but the Shipping page is locked. Thoughts anyone? — Hasdi Bravo • 19:37, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

As far as Korrasami, the only ship that has any canonical support whatsoever is the "BFF" version, so that one is the only one that should reside on the canon Shippings article. The fanon Shippings article, well, apparently anything goes there, so... --Mageddon725 - talk Zuko-dobs-c7 19:50, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Most people don't think about friend-shipping when they go to the Shipping page. Besides, there are a lot of popular platonic ships and we can't fit them all onto that page. Azula369 (wall • contribs) 18:15, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out that a ships possible canonical presence shouldn't really be a deciding factor. Shipping is more of a fanon activity anyway.If people ship it, it's a ship. Heck Zutara had like no chance of happening yet was the biggest ship of the show. The only way the ship should be completely disregarded is if it's physically impossible.

Koh Koh the Face Stealer 21:05, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Koh's right, it really has never been about "is it in the canon." Likewise, the "shipping" article itself has nothing to do with "friend-shipping." I like that notion a lot better, indeed, but that's kind of not the direction of the purpose of the article. Or at least; it hasn't been that way since I've been here. Vulmen (talk • EoK) 03:39, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
In that case, the only way we have to decide if a ship goes on this page is through popularity. How do we measure that? Number of fanfics? Azula369 (wall • contribs) 18:15, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

In regards to banishing ships because of "innapropriate age difference" says who? I believe all of the characters in LOK are of the age of consent in our world. It's perfectly legal for a 17 year old to date a 53 year old. It's unfair to ban a ship simply because some think it's morally wrong. Though if I saw something like jinorarrlok then that would be considered inappropriate due to it's illegalness in our world. Koh Koh the Face Stealer 04:36, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that certain ships should be voted on whether to keep them on the page or to delete them. It's my personal opinion that some of the ships should be removed because its just impossible, and crazy. I mean really like Amorra is really going to happen. Amon is dead, and really like Korra is going to have a relationship with the guy that tried to take her bending, and destroy the Avatar. I think that if there is plausible evidence that a ship could happen like Zuttara should stay even thought Kataang won. I think that for now you should have probable evidence to back up any ship that is added to the Shipping page. Sokka jr • (Talk) 17:27, July 16, 2012 (UTC)


Alright, since other members want me to actually discuss my points in the forum, I have two. 1) Ships like Amorra and Korrlok should be allowed based on the fact there are other ships that share similar properties to the ships.

  • Amon is dead: Lieumon is on there, even though Amon is dead; there's no indication they had anything beyond a professional relationship. When has death never been capable of being evaded, anyway?
  • Age Difference: Korroh is on the article, though there's a great age difference (Pemzin is also on the article, and they're 16 years apart in age; "no one" cares, though, because Pema is 35. Korra doesn't age, I guess?) Not to mention the LoK universe is not America (many states do have an age of consent at 16, so that argument is a little silly); Water Tribe girls can marry at 16, for example.
  • Only enemies: Then there's popular fanon ships, such as TyZula, Harutara, Bosami (I haven't seen anything romantic between them), and - need I say it? - Zutara. Then there's arguments that Amorra only has antagonism in the show; Zutara was all about antagonism in the show, before Zuko joined the Gaang, right? I mean, besides the "hints" that I don't personally see, but far be it from me to disparage your interpretation of a scene.
  • Popularity: Ty Zula has 259 fanfics on FF.net, out of 29,552. That's 0.8%. Amorra has 79 fanfics out of 3,580. That's 2% of LoK fics. (The total number of fanfics for the fandom are from ff.net when I actually click on the link; I'm presuming they're not including crossovers.) Amorra's community on ff.net is also listed first, above Makorra.

2) What constitutes as popularity? TyZula needs a note - "Do not remove, we're popular and deserve to be on this wiki!" - to keep people from removing it. If so many remove the ship, is it really that popular?

Now, I wouldn't really care about all the fanon ships on there, if Amorra and Korrlok and other ships with fairly large fanbases were allowed up there. To me, it really seems as if a small handful of users on Wiki keep TyZula up because, well, it's their OTP ship and I feel they all dislike Amorra and Korrlok and keep the pairings off for their own personal reasons. This leads me to also sugest: instead of arguing over this, can we keep a canon shipping article - where explicitly stated ships are - and a fanon shipping article? I don't think it's fair to label popular fanon ships as "crack," when the fans have reasons to ship them. Crack is more like Mako and Fashion, not ships that fans personally feel vested in.

Eruden Ki (wall • contribs) 21:59, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Eruden Ki

I also wanted to clarify something: I know there's a "Fanon: Shipping" page, but it seems to have become a "look at these crackships, lol!" page, rather than a legit page about fanon shipping. To me, I feel labeling someone's fanon ship as "crack" is insulting, especially if fans feel there is a good basis for the ship, whether shown in the show or not.

Eruden Ki (wall • contribs) 22:02, July 18, 2012 (UTC) Eruden Ki

Firstly, Korroh and Harutara are no longer on the list, so I'll just disregard those claims, and counter your arguments.
  • Firstly, the point with Amon's death is not that it is dead, no, its that there will not be a possible way for Korra and Amon to interact in a relationship way. It is literally impossible, where as Lieumon could have occurred before Amon died. We know for a fact Korra had no love-relationship with Amon before than. And, as a group, we officially decided that Amon was dead, so for all of our articles, he is dead. So, he couldn't have "evaded" death.
  • Now, to move on from there, age is difference is not that big of an issue, though it does make the ship less likely to occur, thus causing it to lean towards crack (Which I will add in later).
  • Addressing your next point. Amon was an enemy of Korra's until his death, there was no chance for redemption, or chance for a sexual connection between the two. With Ty Zula it is possible that she and Ty Lee could have felt attraction before they became enemies. And with Zutara, Zuko turned good, thats what mattered for the Zutarians. Where as with Amorra, Amon never became good, they were always enemies.
  • Fanfiction.net is not the only place, your taking from but one fandom. On here we have gotten far more complaints about lack of Ty Zula than lack of Amorra. If were to take a poll you will meet far more people who seriously ship Ty Zula than seriously ship Amorra; if you don't believe me I asked around the IRC when I was on and discovered that numerous people were Ty Zula shippers, but nobody was an Amorra shipper. Another thing is that some of those fics are done by the same person, just they wrote multiple fics, and you are also including joke-fics.
  • Crack-ship is not an offensive word. It is described when there is little to no chance for a relationship between two characters, but people ship them together. Amorra falls directly under this category. With Amon dead, and having shown no love for Korra, and Korra the same, there is a 0.01% chance that anything could come from that ship. No matter its popularity, its crack.
  • The fanon shipping page has always been a place for exactly what you described, a place to view all of the crack-ships. It isn't supposed to be serious, it genuinely was intended for that.
Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 22:30, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
When I removed the fanon ships - with reasons - those two had been replaced, along with other ships.
  • Zuko and Katara never had friendly interactions when Zutara began. I feel the point that they had "no non-antagonistic interaction" isn't a viable excuse against Amorra. Zutara was shipped before Zuko turned good.
  • If we're going to work on possiblilites - Ty Lee and Azula could have had romantic intentions before becoming enemies! Zuko and Katara could have developed feelings for each other! - then I posit the fact that Korra could have met an unmasked Amon, could have had a friendship. Why would he do such a thing? Well, if he became a confidante, he could have an easier time keeping track of her and knowing what his enemies were doing. We're going off of possibilities, of course, so it's all speculation.
  • I've brought up the question of TyZula in chatrooms and the consensus was basically: "Before looking at the wiki page, I never heard of TyZula. I heard more of TyMei/Katoph." This wasn't just the Amorra chatrooms I inhabit, too. Many Avatar fans have never considered TyZula - if they even thought/saw/read of the ship - to be a big ship. I've met more people who ship TyZula than Amorra; truthfully, I am also one of the many who never even heard of the femslash ship before hearing about the shipping page fiasco. I've been part of the fandom since AtLA began, and I'm far from an anti-femslash/anti-slash shipper (I actually recall seeing a lot of TyMai), so I imagine I would have come across TyZula much more often if it were that popular.
  • Yes, Fanfiction.net is one community, but it brings up a general population and allows us to compare popularity of Amorra versus popularity of other ships, whose popularity is questioned, with a varied group rather than those ships' fans.
  • Myself, and many others - from the often removal of the ship and from inquiring of the AtLA and Lok Fandom - feel TyZula is a crackship. Does that not sound insulting to you? I'll go into my reasons, though: Ty Lee and Azula were "good" friends, yes, but nothing really suggests they were anything more than "good" friends. Even that is a stretch, since Azula had to threaten Ty Lee to initially join her little triad, didn't she? Ty Lee feared Azula, hence why she joined; she feared Azula becoming angry, because that meant Azula could take her rage out on her closest friends; to me, that's why Ty Lee always smoothed the princess's ruffled feathers. Ty Lee only stopped fearing Azula when Mai was in trouble; that seems to indicate TyMai more than TyZula.
  • The Fanon Shipping page is a joke. It's not "meant to be taken seriously", when Amorra and Korrlok fans are very seriously in love with their ship and would like to have explicit details about their ship on a page. Don't disparage fanon ships that don't seem sensible to yourself. Hence why I suggest a separation between canon, fanon, and "crack".

Eruden Ki (wall • contribs) 23:11, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Eruden Ki

There's been a misunderstanding in what this article used to be about/hold. It was not about whether a character could "in-canon" have began a relationship with someone. If that is the case, why is Jet and Katara still up there? Exactly.
This article has always been about what the majority of shippers preferred overall, not some off-shot that they "well I kind of liked this." There have been very many ship-suggestions for the A:TLA series in its day, very many. A lot of people liked "Smellerbee" - but they weren't wild about supporting it directly as opposed to others they were more vocal about and had more of a spotlight attention/fanbase behind them. And the evidence need not even be questioned, as at the time the support was simply there. Things like Jetara, Kataang, Zutara, Maiko, Sukka, Yukka. But not things like Harutara which weren't very interesting to people; even though many thought "eh, it could work." The writers acknowledged that sentiment with a statement by Toph late in the season; why then don't we honor the realization it was there by including it in the page? Because the ship didn't really have a large support that simply was obvious.
As such, we never did any "measurement" of what created the "worth" for a ship to be on the article. How on earth could we defend such a measurement? Especially if a ship fell out of it by like 2 or 5%? "Tough?" Or how about as time progressed to NOW when more material exists for a ship than it did before? Any kind of "gauge" for this, varies. The shipping article was solely designed to showcase what was the highly contended ships among the fanbase at that time. Not for all time.
As was expected by me, and probably many others, with the coming of Legend of Korra - people threw out "ship x! Y! Z! ..Q R S !!" various ships. And everyone thought their likes should be heard the loudest - mostly as an LOL I THOUGHT OF THIS FIRST type of behavior. Many people felt they should put their ideas in this Shipping article. And so..it expanded, and began to catch ships that it shouldn't, but it was technically impossible to rightfully make a judgement call as to exactly what the fanbase preferred at the time. Sure there could be arguments over it, but it simply doesn't answer that the season was still airing and the fanbase' decisions was shaping and growing to solidify toward or away from ships with each episode.
There are of course other material to consider as well; such as Suki and Zuko in 'The Promise.' This is valid to reason whether people ship them. I've seen such shippers have fun citing the series / the two running into each other before Zuko's "run-in" with Sokka.
End of the story; now is a fine time to prune the Shipping page back down to what it's original purpose was, so that we can keep it from falling under fire as often as people come to their own conclusions. As such, I think TyZula should go because it truly was not that popular a ship back then.
And yes; Pemzin has a very strong fanbase as well. As does Tenlin. However, Amon and Lieutenant did not have such a strong support as the other LoK ships. It should be removed. We are not judging this off of "numbers" but simply the apparent traffic and collective feel among this site and those outside, and not at all by only who wrote fanfictions - which would ascribe to only listening to authors then. And even then; some authors write multiple fanons so the number is further skewed. So; what I'm saying is, just go back to the roots of the article. Vulmen (talk • EoK) 03:01, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
Obviously if we want to prune the shipping page to a more exclusive group of ships, that's fine, and could be a good thing. But whoever does so is going to have to be extremely careful about fairness. For example, if we wanted to set Tyzula's popularity as a mark for what can't go on the shipping page, you'd have to remove Tylokka, Jetara, Yukka, Jinko, and Suki (this is just for the ATLA section and based entirely on the number of fanfics written). Azula369 (wall • contribs) 13:35, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
Yukka, Jinko, and Jetara were canon, however; Jin and Zuko actually went on a date and Yue and Sokka were involved. I don't remember much about Jetara, other than the one episode where it was obvious that Katara was smitten with Jet. TyZula isn't canon and it has no obvious romantic inclinations in the show; it's based on presumptions, like most other fanon ships. Sincerely, pruning the page of all fanon pairings would be fine by me, that would be the fairest route; I just find it extremely unfair to other popular ships to leave them off the page, when TyZula isn't seen as popular/canon/however you wish to put it by quite a lot of fans. Eruden Ki (wall • contribs) 21:32, July 19, 2012 (UTC) Eruden Ki
Well, popularity or canonity, one or the other has to be used to decide what goes on this page. But the current issues with the Shipping page have been caused by using a mxture of both traits to determine what is allowed, so clearly that's not a good idea. If you want to choose ships based on how canon they are, you'll have to remove ships like Zutara and Tophko. If you want to choose them based on popularity, you'll have to remove ships like Jinko, Yukka, and Jetara. Tyzula, as I said before, is an extremely popular ship despite having only subtext as evidence, so I don't think it should be removed if we use popularity to determine what ships go on. Azula369 (wall • contribs) 02:23, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Interpretation, also, matters. For example, I see absolutely no undertone for TyZula, personally, and neither do a lot of other fans of the show; I'm sure the same could be said for others when they consider Amorra. Going canon would be fair, in my opinion. Yes, a lot of ships would get removed, but I'd also suggest separating fanon ships (such as Zutara, Toko, TyZula, Amorra, etc) from crack ships (such as Combustion Man and his arm, Iroh and destiny, Space Sword and Suki's Fan, etc) and giving them separate articles. As for how to determine what is canon: it has to be explicitly obvious/stated in the show, not simply a potential undertone. 208.118.152.101 12:17, July 21, 2012 (UTC) Eruden Ki
Going solely by canon would make things a whole lot easier, that's for sure. If we were to do that, would we consider Toph's implied crush on Sokka to be canon or no? It was never explicitly stated, but it was made very obvious at a few moments. 35.11.145.173 15:38, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I also wish to add that, while we're discussing whether certain ships belong on the shipping wiki, Kiroh has been submitted back to the article - and has not been removed for a fair amount of time, and is actually continually replaced - while Amorra and Korrlok are still instantly removed as soon as they're on there. It seems like a good example of bias. Eruden Ki (wall • contribs) 21:38, July 19, 2012 (UTC) Eruden Ki

Yes check Done Sorry 'bout that, I am on vacation, and didn't have time to remove it. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 15:38, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't mean it should be removed. I thought it was a good example of how people who keep an eye on the article seemed to remove Korrlok and Amorra instantly (I put them up while Korroh was up and mine were removed within minutes, while Korroh remained up for 12+ hours), but allow other "questionable" ships - which share reasons why Amorra was denied for so long - to remain. Eruden Ki (wall • contribs) 20:36, July 20, 2012 (UTC) Eruden Ki.

Not sure if this discussion is still going on.

Not sure if this discussion is still going on, but if it is, well. I agree with the idea of seperating shipping into 3 different pages if a clear and absolutely objective rule of which ship can be put in the shipping page can't be reached. That would be the most fair in anyway. Also, I completely disagree with some saying that this ship or that ship is not popular enough for a seat on this page. If you're not on that ship itself, chances are, you'll rarely ever get to talk to the fans who ship them. So far, it seems like only Amorra has concrete and quantifiable evidences (numbers of fics, art and fanfic communities) to back up their claim as a popular ship while other ship (including Tyzula which seems to be backed by some heavily biased admin, why is that?) are just screaming that they are popular without giving any thing as proof. If a ship is truly not popular, it should not be able to stand as the number one community of any fan platform (not just ff.net), so refuting that evidence out of hand is kind of a... well... I don't want to use any kind of profanities here but you get the idea. And yes, it does seem like to me that there's some bias going on within the admin crowd. Such a shame to have that problem in a wiki page. Legend of Korra has only just started and if the idea of some less mainstream ships are already having the less open-minded people in a tizzy then I don't even want to know what's going to happen come season 2, 3, and 4. And LoK isn't even the worst. Actually, I consider LoK shipping fandom to be pretty vanilla compared to many other fandoms... say... Harry Potter for example (Aberforth Dumbledore and his goat anyone? Totally canon. And Hermione and Harry if you're going for popularity. For same-sex ships, there are HarryxRon, HarryxDraco also a super popular ship, HarryxVoldermort currently has 5,485 fics on ff.net, more than the whole LoK ff.net section combined, and that's not counting their seperate sub-ship HarryxTom. For ships with a large age difference, try the Snape ships with anyone not his age group, Voldermort and Harry is also a 50 plus age difference ship. Amorra, Korrlok, Irosami, and Korroh, in comparision are simple rookies to these guys. And I'm not even going to more satellite-status ship for example DumbledorexHarry which, despite its eye-brow raising connotation has a cult of its own and several fics with already + 1000 reviews under its belt). For a similarly large but even crazier fandom, try the Naruto shipping fandom. I don't even want to get in there right now. Virtually all possible couplings are represented and many have very talented fans. Fandom and shipping aren't always ... rational, maintream, and easily accepted. If you want to make a page representing the real-life fandom, shipping, and its issues, you have to deal with that. And if you can't, well maybe you should get out then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.20.141.99 (wall)

Was any of that really necessary? 35.11.145.173 18:29, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well, not sure if you meant me by biased Ty Zulian admin, but either way I'm backing down. You Amorrians have shown perserverence and endurance throuthout this whole ordeal, and quite frankly I give up, this is but a page and since it is such a big deal; fine. Take the slot, I'm withrdrawing my opposal (if that's a word)But, any signs of a weakening fanbase and your ship can be removed, like all of the other ones with small fanbases. And, I think Liemon and Ty Zula should stay, I personally have heard more from fans from those shippings. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret (a •Equalist-chao1) 01:23, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
May I point out that there is one big flaw in your reasoning? You are comparing TLoK with things like Harry Potter and Naruto, both books/movies and series that have been out for how long now? I know I read my first HP book when I was 12. I am 23 now and I seriously doubt that I was the first one ever to read a HP book. The first season of TLoK has been over for a month now, do you seriously expect its fandom and shippers to have caught up with monstrous fandoms like that of HP -if they ever will? You cannot compare apples and cookies here to make a point.
As for the heavily Tuzula based admin, I am assuming you mean me as I am the one who added the "do not remove, this is a popular ship" notes to those ships. People see those notes and naturally think "hmm, this ship needs such a note to be able to remain on this page, it must not be popular then", but fail to see the extra protection those ships need. I mainly put that note there to keep them from being removed by conservative people who were even offended by the mere idea of same-sex shippings on that page and thus refused to take a look at the objective facts of their popularity. If people would ask for a femslash couple of ATLA, most people would say Tyzula. If people are now asked for a femslash couple of TLoK, Korrasami is the first one who springs to mind and they already have a considerable amount of supporters even with the short lifespan of the series as it is now.
The division of the shipping pages in more than one page is/has been discussed on another page and the reasons why that would be not beneficial for the wiki as a whole are explained there, so if you want to continue that, I'd suggest you read up on this forum. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 07:35, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
Just to give some closure to my ideas on this: I think that all major and main character shippings can stay (unless they are out of the question like Nabu) and that there should be some exceptions to minor character shippings such as Tahnorra, as LL has previously said.  Technology Wizard  Wall  Contribs  00:17, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
This isn't about the division of the articles, but about the shipping again. I try to stay unbiased about ships, but I must point out that many fans like Irohsami and Kiroh because it's almost like a second chance for Zuko/Zuko fans since he didn't end up with Katara and Iroh is so similar to him. O.W.L.Ty Lee Sprite Normal Outfit(My Blog) 03:44, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
I think the requirements for being on the shipping page is to be a popular ship, not just canon one because there are a lot of canon ships but there are not popular among the fandom, and I think Kiroh and Irosami ships should be on the shipping page because they're quite popular. ThebigOfan 19:08, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Voting

I see this discussion is really going nowhere, so I'm setting up a vote. Here's how it works, I'm putting up any and every LoK ship that was discussed (except Nabu), plus TyZula. Put support if you want it on the page. No reasoning is needed, but feel free to provide it if you want to. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 19:21, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Adding in opposes, so there can be a clear winner in what stays. Vote oppose if you don't want something to stay.

Edit 2: No need to vote for Makorra, Borra, and Masami, they are canon ships and therefore need to be there by default.

=== Makorra ===

Support

  1. Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — It's a popular ship. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Oppose

Borra

Support

Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Support Support — As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Oppose

Masami

Support

Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Support Support —As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bosami

Support

  1. Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — It's a popular ship . ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — O.W.L.Ty Lee Sprite Normal Outfit(My Blog) 18:39, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — Eat Special K! • Talk • FanonPabu Sprite 19:01, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Support Support — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Support Support — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Oppose

Tahnorra

Support

  1. Support Support — As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — Its days in the sun have kind of passed, but when 106 and 107 first aired, Tahnorra was a very popular ship, and therefore warrants mention on the page. Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Oppose

Pemzin

Support

  1. Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — It's canon. Period.
  4. Support Support — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — O.W.L.Ty Lee Sprite Normal Outfit(My Blog) 18:39, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Support Support — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral Neutral — Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 05:09, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

Linzin

Support

  1. Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — Dcasawang1 • wall 04:25, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — At one point canon and still very popular. Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
Support Support — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral Neutral — Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 05:10, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:28, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Korrasami

Support

  1. Support Support — As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — It's one of the most shipped pairings and there is no need to keep this off the pages just because it is a gay pairing and some may be a bit uncomfortable with that. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 19:51, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support —} Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 22:11, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — Dcasawang1 • wall 04:25, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — It's a very popular ship, and to keep it off the page because it's a lesbian ship is discriminatory and, more specifically, homophobic, and I have absolutely zero tolerance for homophobia. Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral Neutral — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:15, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Lieumon

Support

  1. Support Support — As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 22:13, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — See my Korrasami reasoning. Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral Neutral — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Neutral Neutral — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:15, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Irosami

Support

  1. Support Support — Even though they hardly interacted, I think it should be included on the shipping page. It's a popular ship among the fandom, I thought the requirements to be on the shipping page was to be a popular ship and I believe this ship meets those requirements. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — It has a big enough fan base. O.W.L.Ty Lee Sprite Normal Outfit(My Blog) 18:40, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — So, we're just pairing off any two characters who ever interacted (did Iroh and Asami even ever directly interact, anyways?) and placing them on the shipping page? Bullshit. Unlike the others, it's not that popular, and most people who ship it are usually just saying that to piss people off. Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Oppose — The fan base that supported this ship is dying off quickly, and love for General Iroh shrinking rapidly. The chances of General Iroh appearing again are slim to none, with it the chances of any relationship between the characters. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 04:40, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Oppose — Pairing the Spares. A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 04:58, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Oppose Oppose — What Irosami? --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Oppose Oppose — Wgen have they even spoke to each other? Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Oppose Oppose — Let's just wait. Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:15, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Korroh/Kairoh

Support

  1. Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — As per my Irosami reasoning. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — Korra's the main character, so she's shipped more flexibly than others. It may seem like a dumb rule, but it's a common one. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — O.W.L.Ty Lee Sprite Normal Outfit(My Blog) 18:41, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — See my Irosami reasoning. Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Oppose — Per my reasoning above with Irosami. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 04:56, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Oppose — Pairing the Spares. A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 04:58, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Oppose Oppose — Same as Irosami Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Oppose Oppose — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:15, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Amorra

Support

  1. Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — If Korrasami and Lieumon can be on the shipping page why not this. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Neutral Neutral — While I personally find this ship to be somewhat awkward, if the fan base is strong the unusual-ness of the ages in the ship should be ignored. But the activity from this side of the fandom is striking so… IDK. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 17:27, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — What the hell? What. The. Hell. He's, like, older than 37, as he's Tarrlok's older brother, therefore making him a pedophile if this were ever to be possible. Intergenerational ships aren't even allowed on the fanon shiping page, and we want it on the canon one? LOL! Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Oppose — Per A-Cubed. A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 04:58, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Oppose — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Oppose Oppose — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Oppose Oppose — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:15, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Korrlok

Support

  1. Support Support — Gods Rule! Aang Cosmic Not Spirts Kozilla Sprite (Bending Explained) (My Youtube) 19:26, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — As per my Amorra reasoning. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — He's 37. She's 17. Can you say pedophile? Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Oppose — The fan base is too small for this ship, IMO. I have barely seen any activity from this side of the fandom. Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 04:36, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Oppose — A Light Shining in the Darkness - Talk Dai Li Sprite 04:59, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Oppose Oppose — --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Oppose Oppose — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Oppose Oppose — Per A True Fire Ferret. WEFAang (wall • contribs) 02:00, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Oppose Oppose — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:16, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

TyZula

Support

  1. Support Support — As per my reasons. ThebigOfan 19:35, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — Same reasoning as with Korrasami. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 19:51, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — Truly Pabu Sprite Ferret 22:13, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — Dcasawang1 • wall 04:25, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — See my Lieumon reasoning. Azulazulazula Azula sprite23 04:47, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — As much to support it as some other ships already up there. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:05, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Support Support — O.W.L.Ty Lee Sprite Normal Outfit(My Blog) 18:43, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Support Support — WEFAang (wall • contribs) 01:56, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral Neutral — Sokka's Sword --> Heeeere's Hawky! 14:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Oppose — Matey Y. (talk • A:TLoM) 1334279415.gif 17:17, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
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