Ok I gonna try to enjoy the ending. Although personally the bisexuality seems out of place Korra found someone she loved so I’m gonna try to like it. She got a happy ending
Source on Korra being "meant to be" or "starting out" straight? The showrunners have repeatedly stated otherwise.
So...how, exactly, does one tell someone that framing characters' bisexuality as a "crutch" is wrongheaded at best without "sounding condescending," exactly? Because your assertions are wrongheaded, and I'm not going to coddle you on that matter.
Cool. So are a lot of bitter Makorra holdouts who use those same flimsy excuses to try to justify irrational hatred of Korrasami (which usually has more to do with Asami hate, on the grounds that she's an evil datemate-stealing temptress or "boring" or "looks white" while simultaneously being a Dragon Lady) and looking the other way when the outright biphobes are biphobing.
And, conversely: so am I. So do you see why, as far as I'm concerned, that changes precisely nothing regarding your claims being wrongheaded?
Source on this? Because Bryan Konietzko, one of the showrunners, has made it clear that he was batting the idea of Korra and Asami getting together since they were writing Book 1, but didn't find out that he could actually get away with it until late in the game. He's also made it clear that regardless of Korra's endgame love interest or lack thereof, it was never going to be Mako past Book 1. And Michael DiMartino, the other showrunner, has not contradicted this.
And it seems to me like you're presenting your opinion—along with statements that I know to be objectively false, such as Korra and Asami ever being explicitly conceptualized or "intended by the creators" as straight or Mako being intended as the endgame love interest for either of them—as fact.
Personally, I have no problem with the Korrasami ending. I do think, it could have been handled much better. To be honest, until the creators confirmed it, I thought of their relationship as a friendship, and didn't see anything else in it, which is kind of a problem, and I also felt that if Korra ended up single it would have a much more powerful message, about the fact that a mature, adult friendship can be much more valuable, than any romantic kind of love. They kind of tried to show it with some friendships (for example the one between Aang and Zuko that was referenced many times), but since it developed into a lifelong friendship almost fully in the comics, and not on screen, it's much harder to get the message. I really hoped that we will see a strong female friendship, which is not torn apart by the fact that both girls liked the same guy. I felt a little bit sad, because I felt Korrasami ended up wasting a great opportunity, but I was fine with it at the same time.
But with the first book of Turf Wars I started to dislike the pairing more and more. I really hoped that their love will develope into something great, which motivates both of them, and it didn't happen. The first book of that comic basically had no original plot to speak of, only ran through the same problems that were already discussed in the third season of the series, and showed a villain with some potential. Korra acted like she would step backward two seasons, and neither her, nor Asami behaved like two grown up women should in a relationship. They didn't work on the actual problems, all they did was speaking of their relationship with everyone. I understand the importance of these things, and I would have been okay with them, but not when there are major problems that need attention. It seemed like both of them are out of their mind since they are in love and I was just shocked. So while I was fine with the ending, I'm starting to get really angry because of how Korrasami is handled in the long run.
Aria10191 wrote: Personally, I have no problem with the Korrasami ending. I do think, it could have been handled much better. To be honest, until the creators confirmed it, I thought of their relationship as a friendship, and didn't see anything else in it, which is kind of a problem, and I also felt that if Korra ended up single it would have a much more powerful message, about the fact that a mature, adult friendship can be much more valuable, than any romantic kind of love. They kind of tried to show it with some friendships (for example the one between Aang and Zuko that was referenced many times), but since it developed into a lifelong friendship almost fully in the comics, and not on screen, it's much harder to get the message. I really hoped that we will see a strong female friendship, which is not torn apart by the fact that both girls liked the same guy. I felt a little bit sad, because I felt Korrasami ended up wasting a great opportunity, but I was fine with it at the same time.
But with the first book of Turf Wars I started to dislike the pairing more and more. I really hoped that their love will develope into something great, which motivates both of them, and it didn't happen. The first book of that comic basically had no original plot to speak of, only ran through the same problems that were already discussed in the third season of the series, and showed a villain with some potential. Korra acted like she would step backward two seasons, and neither her, nor Asami behaved like two grown up women should in a relationship. They didn't work on the actual problems, all they did was speaking of their relationship with everyone. I understand the importance of these things, and I would have been okay with them, but not when there are major problems that need attention. It seemed like both of them are out of their mind since they are in love and I was just shocked. So while I was fine with the ending, I'm starting to get really angry because of how Korrasami is handled in the long run.
Uh, No.
Besides trotting out the same anti-Korrasami arguments that have been done to death, (specifically the willful ignorance/double-standards many have already pointed out many, many, many times on this forum and elsewhere like how Korra almost crashing the car because she was too busy eying Asami is "just gals being pals!" yet Mako arguing with Korra again is "OMG! Just like old times! They'll TOTALLY get back together, you guys!!11!!1") thematically the final scene (in addition to an Internal Homage to how the original series ended) couldn't be more of an epitome of everything the franchise has ever stood for in ending with two people from different walks of life and represent completely difference aspects of the same world despite/because of their differences overcame various challenges, which instead of drove them apart (see Makorra) only brought them closer and closer together until friendship naturally turned into true love or to quote TVTropes: "Balance, the ten-thousand year old reincarnated soul of a magic being that is able to bend all four elements clasps hands with a non-bending individual that is nevertheless an inventor and industrialist, walking together into the unknown future." This is a franchise that literally began with an intersectional feminist statement and by Raava, it ended with one.
Korra isn't with Asami (or anyone) because she has to, externally or otherwise, she's with Asami because she wants to, (see Bryan K.'s "you give them life and they tell you want they want to do," hence why after Asami was always consistently there for her especially at her lowest point (and even when separated given Korra writing to her,) Korra, a now exponentially more mature and compassionate adult, returns the favor, specifically gently offering Asami to go wherever she wants and it being just for the the two of them. And besides the fact that a single Korra riding off on Naga, (the ending I expected,) would be a simple, safe (in the unambitious, toothless sense) neutral ending, let's be real here, nobody would be saying jack about themes or whatnot had she gotten back with Mako at the last minute despite how undeserved and riddled with bad messages that would be, c'mon now.
As for "Turf Wars", besides my problems with DiMartino's writing (the same Doylistic habits as usual which includes people becoming dumber or weaker for the plot's sake, weak world-building when it comes to queerness to the extent I doubt he still hasn't had the whole wordview fully fleshed out and him being afraid to gray the issue), I couldn't disagree more. For starters, it's obviously immediately dealing with the aftermath of Book 4 (as Reality Ensues has become more and more of a thing in LoK,) so they're not going to be doing much brand-new, but Korra and Asami's argument in Part 2 feels especially realistic and in-character that even if the wording's bad (again, see above,) the spirit of the argument between Korra and Asami would still be there right down to them squashing the issue on the spot right down to hugging it out unlike Makorra/Masami. I still haven't actually gotten Part 3 yet, but despite such issues, (to the extent I wish Bryke had another Aaron Ehasz to do the heavy lifting) I don't feel ripped off with the first two parts and enjoyed what they did right more than what they did wrong.
Bottom line is, it's been four. fucking. years now yet people still parrot the same easily refutable canards that's increasingly more hypocritical, uselessly bitter and willfully ignorant that it makes the Zutara butthurt look quaint especially as the positive results of Korrasami EXPONENTIALLY outweigh the negatives from validating queerness (before SU or Adventure Time) to the extent a number of closeted people come out/educating straight people to the financials of Turf Wars being a hit. I'll forever be more grateful for what they did more than being frustrated over how they did it.
the ending was a joke it was there to pander to the lgbt community I even once joking y predicting that korra would end up as asami that's how much ridiculous it was
Plank2x4 wrote: the ending was a joke it was there to pander to the lgbt community I even once joking y predicting that korra would end up as asami that's how much ridiculous it was
And here you are shit-birding again just like I said before. Bryke already said their peace on it and it's pathetic that some people STILL won't let it go and just rewatch their old A:tLA DVDs if they're so butthurt over it.
at least avatar fans don't need to overuse the ending of avatar to prove a point that's it's an awesome series or why it's a decent ending to end all series
the ship never existed maybe if they included some scenes from turf wars then it would be legit
Plank2x4 wrote: at least avatar fans don't need to overuse the ending of avatar to prove a point that's it's an awesome series or why it's a decent ending to end all series
the ship never existed maybe if they included some scenes from turf wars then it would be legit
If you paid attention, which you don't, and repeatedly at that, the ending, alone doesn't need to be used as evidence when the examples have been going on since Book 3. It's simply the most prominent example because it was the show trying to go as far as S&P would allow from the bi pride-pattern sky to the emphasis on the handholding.
At the same time, you like maaaany other trolls before you on this thread, alone, (as Neo and Deist already expertly dealt with) aren't/can't be the judge on what's "legit" or not especially as Bryan K already spelled this out and the bullshit bias that was ready to "pop the BIGGEST bottles" for Makorra happening again... despite Mako not doing shit for Korra in any romantic sense since they broke up.
Honestly, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: I think the biggest problem with the ending to LoK was that there was a GIANT HOLE RIPPED OUT OF THE FABRIC OF REALITY and nobody really seems to care. Which, you have to admit, ought to really be a problem—-especially since the last couple of holes in reality were poked open by a spirit of chaos and evil. And Korra...just goes with it? Off on a vacation to the Spirit World, with a giant city to rebuild and the possibility of the collapse of the physical world imminent? (They somehow seem to be ignoring the issue in Turf Wars.) It’s not like with Aang, where there was some kind of denouement, what with the war ending and the new Fire Lord and all, it’s literally a massive set of problems waiting to be fixed, but when the world needs Korra most—-for the cleanup job—-she vanished!
I found B1 and especially B2 by far the worst parts of TLOK and in B4 was my biggest problem the freaking Mecha with mega-laser, so i don't think i can agree with that. However the romance parts of either series are for the most parts at best mediocre.